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Title: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Susan on 07/31/04 at 13:39:34 Am looking for advice. I have removed the pillion seat and would like to remove the sissy bar but don't want to take off the side pieces that are attached to the fender. Would just like to take off the pad and the top part of the bars down to the rubber piece. This leaves me with holes. Does anyone know where I could buy a bar that would connect across or some sort of matching chrome plugs for the holes? Or have you done something different? Thanks, Susan |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Susan on 07/31/04 at 18:39:31 Found this pic in the gallery section of this site. Here's what I would really like but have no idea how to find the piece. http://suzukisavage.com/gallery/LSvenss5.jpg Any ideas? Susan P.S. Went for a long ride last night, this morning and going out with friends tomorrow morning. Have to get the riding in too! |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Brad on 07/31/04 at 19:36:16 You could use the side bars from the S40. Have no idea what they cost. Maybe too much for the effort. Maybe a custom shop would have a chrome bolt you could put in the holes. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by gitarzan on 07/31/04 at 23:01:04 Susan wrote:
He-he. Been there done that. You're not gonna find it. But it sure looks nice!!! More pics of it: http://wb524292.bahnhofbredband.se/sida3.htm The cold hard truth... http://www.heise-workstations.de/ls650/Fragen/messages/29116.html |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by gitarzan on 07/31/04 at 23:09:48 Susan wrote:
I was thinking of using these krommets: http://www.jpcycles.com/productgroup.aspx?GID=1e35c3c0-ddc0-47f0-925f-1eab9ff849c4&cs=metric (it follows an already established theme on my bike anyway!) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gitarzan/bike/dagmars.jpg Or maybe these: http://www.jpcycles.com/productgroup.aspx?GID=2ba3164d-eaa5-4ea5-8ace-517a0f5c67dd&cs=metric |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Greg_650 on 08/01/04 at 04:07:44 Susan wrote:
IF you can get a 12-13 mm wrench into the sides of the sissy bar next to the fender you can remove them, but as I recall it is very cramped and you really need to loosen the fender rails to get them off. If you are going to install the saddle bag supports (other post), you'll be half-way there while doing that job Word of caution, loosening the fender rails is a great way to scratch the fender PERSONALLY tho, I couldn't be without that back rest. It is a support and a handy tie down place for bungie cords as I am always needing to throw something across the seat that won't fit in the saddle bags. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Susan on 08/01/04 at 07:11:10 Gitarzan, Thanks for saving me hours of work looking for the darn thing! Oh boy am I sad though. I love the look of it. I did search the Heise site but didn't get your post -- I searched for pillion seat, rear seat, sissy bar but not pillion handle! I will have to rethink my approach. Maybe I will find someone to make me one over the winter. I'd like to have the ability to swap in the original sissy bar so I'm not keen on cutting it down. Whenever I figure it out (it may take a while), I'll let you know what I end up doing. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Susan P.S. BTW, can you post on heise at the moment? The last few days when I go there I can get into the page and read the posts but the link at the bottom of the page to post a new topic is gone... |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Susan on 08/01/04 at 07:17:05 Greg, Thanks for the advice on NOT scratching the fender. We had already looked at how to loosen the rails as I need to replace a broken rear turn signal and understand what you mean. We will be super careful. Susan |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/01/04 at 08:36:36 It's My sissy strips I want to remove :D Clive W |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by gitarzan on 08/01/04 at 16:23:16 Susan, Yep you're right about Heise... Looks like it got bumped off. The link still points to the bookmark, but the bookmark is gone. You can respond to existing messages but not post new ones. My guess is that there are too many threads and the very old fashioned CGI script they use has a definate page length it can display. I guess Bert will make a correction in a day or two. ======================================== Isn't that pillion handle nice looking? Someone ought to make batch of those. I'll bet they could sell 50 in no time. I'd pay $50 for one without thing twice, more after I thought about it. I'd bet they fly off of eBay for a while. I had been under the assumption that it was the pillion handle that was standard on euro market Savages. Was I dissapointed. In the meantime, I'm thinking about either: 1. finding some barstock and bending a simpler version and have it chromed or paint it black. 2. finding a sissybar from another bike that might be the same width at the top as the Savage's mount and saw it down to make a 2" bar. 3. Paint the sissybar and part or all of the chrome side bar glossy black. Visually it would be de-emphasized. 4. Like you said, make one this winter. A chunk of brass and a lot of filing might do me some good. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Susan on 08/01/04 at 19:41:31 gitarzan wrote:
Glad I'm not the only one with a Heise issue... ======================================== gitarzan wrote:
I lean toward #4 for sure. A little hard work is good for the soul, right? ;) If I find someone to make me one, I will let you know. And do let me know what you decide. I'd love to see pics after it is done. Susan |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Kropatchek on 08/02/04 at 09:00:25 ;D ;D There's a very nice guy on the Heise forum who can make you one. Problem is : he's living in Finnland :-[ His nick is "Peter the Blacksmith" and to be honest : HE IS A BLACKSMITH!!!. His e-mail adress is in/on the forum Succes Kropatchek |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/02/04 at 09:36:12 Still got 10mm to go with the sissy strips :'( Clive W |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Susan on 08/02/04 at 10:20:06 klx650sm2002 wrote:
What do you mean by "sissy strips"? The chrome pieces on each side of the fender? If that's what you mean and you are taking them off, where are you going to put the rear turn signals? |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Susan on 08/02/04 at 10:23:38 Kropatchek wrote:
I've seen his posts. He seems knowledgable and nice. Has he built anything for you or anyone that you know? |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/02/04 at 10:36:26 The sissy strips are the unused bits on the edge of the tire. i.e. I'm a sissy for not using them :'( |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by jendesigner on 08/02/04 at 11:43:12 This is what I did for a sissy bar. I hated the one there. But I did need one to strap down different bags that I use. I made it with copper pipes and covered it with leather. I never carry a passenger so the strength of the pipe is not a problem. I also removed alot of the foam from the pillion seat to give it a better solo look and the bag rests better on the seat. http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jendesigner/album?.tok=pherjNBB6Zmni94S&.dir=/4fb4&.src=ph |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by gitarzan on 08/02/04 at 14:58:36 Quote:
I do believe, there are four bolts per side on the side bar. Two at the front with the acorn nuts on them and two that's not exposed when the bar is on. I was thinking of mounting the lights on the rearmost hole, about 2" forward of the existing location. As for the wiring, route it inside the fender and use some silicone sealer or other method to keep it up and away from the tire. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Susan on 08/02/04 at 19:14:08 jendesigner wrote:
Nice look -- it is there but understated. Thanks for sharing! |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Greg_650 on 08/03/04 at 13:52:11 gitarzan wrote:
You are right about the number of bolts for the fender rails. You can also run part of the signal wires through the little channel with the tail light wires. As for the fender rails....the fender is very rigid and double walled because it is THE support for the passenger seat. Therefore, I also think that the fender rails and 8 bolts contribute support for the fender...and any possible cargo. Has anyone ridden a passenger on their bike after removing the fender rails? |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by gitarzan on 08/03/04 at 16:33:27 Quote:
I wouldn't touch that line with a 10 foot pole... :-X |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Greg_650 on 08/04/04 at 03:08:16 Okay...then how about...Has anyone noticed any loss of fender support with a load after removing the fender rails? |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Francesco on 08/04/04 at 03:17:00 Do you Know where to buy the Boulverad Fender Rails? I suppose that buying them will cost a buck of money, but they will surely give the best result. If you know anyone on Who can sell me those parts please contact me. P.S. I live in Italy. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by thehoghunter on 08/04/04 at 05:33:48 I removed the fender rails/pillon handles from my Savage for a cleaner look but added support on the inside of the wheel well - a one inch wide steel flat bar which was long enough to go from the first mounting hole to the last - only hard part was lining up to drill it so it would fit. No problems with support with this method but then again, my passenger weights less than me (I'm around 155 lbs.) http://www.heise-workstations.de/ls650/Besitzer/pix/TRHunter1.jpg (And before you ask, I got the seat from SeegerCycle - they don't sell it anymore - you might be able to order from GTS out of Germany - www.gts-seats.de. Note that Seeger do not sell it because of problems with mounting the seat. Mine is still being worked on in my spare time to try to get it to be a permanent solution. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Greg_650 on 08/04/04 at 13:07:53 Okay. I wondered about the fender support. Good deal. Is that a Seager front end. Looking good with the dual lamps up front. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by thehoghunter on 08/04/04 at 14:10:10 Yea, that's a Seeger front end. The dual lamps were too much for the battery (each at 55w) so I had to go with another set (at 35w a piece). I should update the picture on Bert's site - I hacked the fender rails and kept only the front part - turned it around and mounted the sissy bar on with it (welded). Then removed the Savage pad and put on a H/D small oval pad. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Greg_650 on 08/04/04 at 15:16:41 Yes, please update and let me see. I'm always looking for new challenges for the winter months ;) |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by bassman29 on 08/26/04 at 21:34:20 I'll jump in here with my first post. A previous owner of my '98 Savage removed the sissy bar and fender rails. I don't know if any internal support was added to the fender. Here's a couple of pics: http://home.neb.rr.com/dmorris29/Suzy%20LR.jpg http://home.neb.rr.com/dmorris29/Suzy%20RR.jpg I'd like to remove the pillion seat also. Is there some sort of electrical component under it? |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Greg_650 on 08/27/04 at 03:05:33 There should be ::) Nice looking bike with some clean looking mods. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by bassman29 on 08/27/04 at 06:10:19 Thanks for the compliment on the bike. Quote:
And thanks for the detailed information. :) |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Susan on 08/27/04 at 07:03:21 Normally there is a regulator and wires running underneath the pillon seat. If I understand correctly at least some of the wires run to either the rear signals or tail light. Since there are not any visible wires in your pic, it may be that the previous owner moved both the regulator and the wires already. The regulator is relatively simple to move and can be tucked in other places (like under the rider's seat). The wires are harder. It should be easy to take your pillon seat off and find out. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Greg_650 on 08/28/04 at 04:26:05 bassman29 wrote:
As Susan said above, there are components under there, but considering that the previous owner has moved stuff, I just said, "there should be". In truth, it onle takes the removal of 3 - 10 MM bolts for you to find out. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by bassman29 on 08/29/04 at 14:47:24 Thanks Greg. I managed to locate the correct bolts and got both seats off. I discovered that the pillion was not installed correctly, one of the plastic clips on the rear of the seat was outside the bracket that holds it down. The regulator is still there, and all of the wiring. It looks like this will have to be a winter project - more involved than a beginner like me should tackle right now. I assume the regulator is that thing that looks like a heat sink. What heat does it serve to dissipate? Something to do with the turn signals? Please bear with me - I'm new at this. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Mr 650 on 08/29/04 at 15:32:17 bassman29 wrote:
Hi Bassman, Now we got Bassman,& Gitarzan, we need need a drummer I guess. :P Nice bike. What kind of pipe is that? |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by bassman29 on 08/29/04 at 15:45:10 Naaah, we don't need no stinkin' drummer! ;) The pipe is a Kawasaki of all things. Don't know what model - it was put on by a previous owner. |
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Title: Re: Sissy Bar Removal Question Post by Greg_650 on 08/30/04 at 02:28:29 bassman29 wrote:
It is a regulator/rectifier. It serves to clip the 3 output phases of AC voltage from the alternator, "rectify" it to DC voltage, and convert it to a steady state 12 volts (actually ~ 14 VDC). It has to do with all the DC voltage, not just the turn signals...battery mostly. DC current creates the heat. |
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