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Title: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by savagethumper on 03/17/05 at 09:17:19 Here's a humorous story from this past weekend. Last Friday, my old work buddy stopped by the house to show me his new Heritage softail Harley he just bought for over 19 grand. I'll admit, it's a beautiful machine, and I would love to have one, but here's the funny part. We took off to go ride together, and when we stopped at the gas station to fuel up, and rest from all the wind, my bike is the one that recieved the compliments. Everyone looked at it like it was some sort of oddball. Hey, that's alright, it was enough to make my friend wonder what the $#%* was up. He told me he didn't buy his HD for the compliments, but he sure was pissy the rest of the trip. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by DangMan on 03/17/05 at 09:23:19 LOL that gave him a lesson 8) |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by sluggo on 03/17/05 at 10:17:34 i see it all the time. people i know are pissed over it. they still got 9years of payments. bugs um every time. what really gets them is when other hd owners drool over it.. most people don't know that their are alternatives to the harley or it's clones. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by savagethumper on 03/17/05 at 11:49:11 People actually know there are other bikes out there, they just look down on them thinking that they'll get teased or disrepected. Maybe it's different in other parts of the world, but around here, (for the most part), everyone respects me. You'll get an occasional prick who won't wave cause he's riding a Harley, but 9 out of 10 of the other riders will. Their just mad cause they're paying out the butt for a name, that looks like every other darn bike on the road. And while I'm fussin', why do they always get black? There are other colors. My buddy's is a real nice blue. Wait till they go on a big Toys for Tots run, where everyone's bike is black. I had guys on the run use my bike as a point of reference for where they parked their bikes. Sad. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by sluggo on 03/17/05 at 12:49:29 i would say that the 9 out of 10 harley riders wave, they dont see it's not a harley. ;D the tenth he's just to busy adjusting the radio, taking a drink from the cup holder. honestly here in moses lake most do wave. some just wait till their waved at. also it has to do with what helmet i'm wearing. i've got a wild colored sport bike helmet. a black full face, and a silver open face. more sportbikes wave with the wild helmet. curzers wave at the open face. i get the least amount of waves with the full face. could be i use it in cold wx or mostly at night when why wave when they cant see you. 8) i'll have to rethink that black paint job. the lovely lady likes the purple. here's a quick story. i went to a harley shop to buy some steel endcaps to replace the crappy plastic chromed ones. the guy asked "what model" you putting it on. i told him some 1 inch bars on my savage. first he tried to tell me that the bike couldn't have one inch bars, then went with "they only fit the specific harley bars" and when they dont fit i wont be able to bring them back. I say, you gonna take my cash or not. grudingly he did. needless to say, once i took the plastic insert out of them they worked quite well with a bit of jb weld holding them on. i think in a nutshell, people buy what the see sold on the boob tube and what everbody else has :-[ this way they won't make the "mistake" of buying something nobody else rides. ;D |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by gitarzan on 03/17/05 at 13:01:54 Quote:
Exactamundo. You get the HAMMER ON THE NAIL award for March 2005. I read a street chopper forum and those guys really cringe when someone asks them if their bike is an "oldskool" chopper. Hey, it's what they only learned to say from the TV. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by gitarzan on 03/17/05 at 13:03:22 Quote:
Leave it black and give it purple flames. Then everybody's happy. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Savage_Rob on 03/17/05 at 13:20:15 So far as paint goes, mine is black because that's one of the two colors the 98 Savage came in (the other being orange) and what the original owner chose. I really haven't seen fit to alter it because it's not a color that bugs me and I haven't seen one I just have to have now either. So far as the bikes people buy... yeah, I'd say most buyers seem to be lemmings. So far as the wave goes, the helmet theory seems to ring true. I've always gotten waves from most folks when wearing my pearl white HJC 3/4 helmet but it seems they may have tapered off a bit with my new matte black Scorpion full-face with mirrored shield. I've only been wearing it for a bit over a week though, so it may just be my imagination. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/17/05 at 13:29:47 8)I've noticed the same thing here guys ... I ride with a pal sometimes who owns an '04 VS800 Intruder ... if out on Thursday evenings in season, we'll usually swing by the local Bike Nite ... we usually park "side by each" as we say around here and it fumes him to no end that my 'lil Savage gets gobs more attention than his Intruder gets (and the 'Truder is a fine lookin' machine!) ... make the best of it, most of the gawks and compliments come from either Harley guys or those who once owned old Brit singles! Can't help it, but I love it! :o |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by lancer on 03/17/05 at 22:51:24 LIFT ONE UP FOR THE OLD BRITISH SINGLES!! |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Savage_Rob on 03/17/05 at 23:12:11 LOL, the COO of my company rides a Valkyrie but when he saw my Savage, he started waxing nostalgic about his first - an old Brit thumper. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by WD on 03/17/05 at 23:23:26 I used to ride nothing but kick start 6 volt Big Twins...then I grew up! Seriously though, once HD became the "in" thing, I no longer wanted to be associated with the marque. I went from being a fullpatch 1%er to riding "rice" right after I got out of the service. The club shop didn't pay me for a custom paint job, I'd already swapped off my last Pan frame on a T120 Bonne-VILE (that ended up being pure junk), needed a running, ridable scoot. Bought a Rebel 450 for the wife, stole it from her! Bought the Savage when I found an affordable, ORANGE (crucial), vintage styled late model bike. Flirted with going back to Knuckle/Pan based bobbers. Have you priced parts lately? Wonder if the landlord will have a stroke when there are 7 Savages parked out front? Yes, I want a different scoot for every day of the week. -WD Wonder how many shades of bomb can orange I can find... |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/18/05 at 01:52:31 http://www.psndealer.com/powersportsdlr/images/NewVehicles/2003_xl883r.jpg WD ... since you have an orange Savage, ever thought about givin' her a Flat Track racing style paint job similar to that on the 883XLR pictured above? Always thought that a Savage would look pretty cool dressed up like that! |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by WD on 03/19/05 at 03:08:07 Uhh, Perry, I don't think a flat tracker paint job would look all that good on a high bar (true apehangers), fishtail piped, dechromed, roached out (rat bike would be a compliment), cobbled together on the cheap Savage chopper... Guess I better buy another one! :D Let's see: roach bike, rat bike, flat tracker, barhopper, RAF/Army Air Corp tribute, OD green with sidehack, full on drag bike? 7 days in the week, 7 styles of bike, all Savage based...that should work. Hope I have some money soon. :( I hate being on disability. -WD |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/19/05 at 05:29:08 ;DHa, ha ... yeah, a flat-tracker paint job just wouldn't go with apehangers and fishtail pipes! |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Greg_650 on 03/19/05 at 06:48:34 WD wrote:
One thing that I have really noticed is that "apehangers" seem to be really popular here in the west. Why is that? |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by lancer on 03/19/05 at 07:09:37 It is a DNA thing.........83.7% of the population in that region have arms that are 12.1% longer than the general population at large.........THEREFORE the requirement for the APEHANGERS that enable them to ride in physical comfort, and maintain control over their machines. I am sure you are all aware that this is based on the detailed scientific investigative research project which was recently completed by the infamous SKUNK WORKS ............which was responsible for the ONE AND ONLY SR-71........the greatest aircraft ever to grace the skies. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Greg_650 on 03/19/05 at 07:14:41 So Apehangers are really just for Knuckle-draggers? Got it ;D |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Paladin on 03/19/05 at 07:37:18 WD wrote:
That sounds like an absolute dream bike. You gotta send me pictures so I can post them. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by sluggo on 03/19/05 at 11:09:07 Greg_650 wrote:
OR OTHER PARTS :o |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by WD on 03/19/05 at 13:39:34 Paladin, do you want the pics while the scoot is still in pieces? It really does look like it should be in the junkyard at the moment... don't mind taming them, but have no idea how to get themout of the camera, into an e-mail, and sent to you. I still have trouble with film cameras. :'( -WD |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Paladin on 03/19/05 at 14:25:33 Yes!! Check out London Thing's Bike. (http://savage.andruschak.net/LondonThing.html) Re: camera -- check private messages. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by bobo383 on 03/20/05 at 07:14:06 HD vs. Savage, I can't pass this up. My wife has taken over my Savage. She actually told me "You need to get another bike because the Savage is mine now." That was the easiest yard pass I've ever received. I'm outrunning my neighbor's 883 right now on the Savage, but I want to dig into his carb and re-jet. It feels lean on the midrange, and even backfires a little (!). It should run better I believe but he's not a wrencher. Anybody ridden a 1200 sporty? I'd like to know how the power is. Considering going over to the dark side. Used sportys are pretty reasonable, compared to other 1200 and up bikes. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Greg_650 on 03/20/05 at 07:21:00 Well, this topic just took a bad turn ::) |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by bobo383 on 03/20/05 at 07:23:40 Not really. I've got the Savage and an XR500, just considering another bike. But if the sportys are no faster than my Savage, I'll just get another Savage. Should have put it that way. All the Sporty 883s seem the same (or slower) than the Savage. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by bobo383 on 03/20/05 at 07:27:54 I don't want a big huge bike. Smaller light bikes like the Savage are hard to find with any decent power. Anything bigger than a Sportster is just bigger than I want. Even the C50 Suzuki looks too big. I should just make the XR500 street legal. Plenty of power there. Just ugly. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Greg_650 on 03/20/05 at 07:47:35 I will admit that the 883's are a nice looking bike. Sort of a Savage Wannabee :) I've been told by 883 owners that vibration makes them only good for bar hoppin, though. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by klx650sm2002 on 03/20/05 at 08:16:53 I rode an old (then) ironhead sportster in '86 sorry this is of no use whatsoever, but might be of some interest ??? Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by klx650sm2002 on 03/20/05 at 08:19:00 XR 500 Super Moto. Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Greg_650 on 03/20/05 at 08:24:11 klx650sm2002 wrote:
I would say that your comment wasn't of no use whatsoever or that it might be of any interest, either ??? |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/20/05 at 08:31:38 The 2004/05 Sportsters now have rubber mounted engines, so the vibration problem associated with the 883 & 1200 Sportys of old should no longer be an issue. As far as looks go, the Sportster, VS800 Intruder/S50 and the S40/Savage are 3 of the best lookin' Bikes out there ... recently had an opportunity to have a really good look at and sit on a brand new '05 883L (lowered suspension, slightly shorter forks, mid controls, repositioned kick-stand) ... have to say that it is a beautiful Bike that fit me like a glove ... just like my Savage! |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by gitarzan on 03/20/05 at 18:47:32 I was looking at a lot of bikes at a new car expo yesterday, (they had some there) I really don't like those gas tanks that are almost two feet wide. That eliminates almost all bikes today. They also had the OCC Lincoln bike there. Pretty sharp. much hotter that they appear on TV. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by bobo383 on 03/20/05 at 20:51:11 XR500 Super Moto is sounding pretty good to me, kind of like a redneck sport bike. I wish I could read the language on this pic's captions: http://www.xr500.com/galerie/supermotomax/maXUL_SM_6_komp.JPG We jetted up my neighbor's 883 today, but I'm still outrunning him on the Savage, even with a slippy clutch. We're going to keep going up till we get some black smoke out the pipe -- hasn't put out any black yet even with the 160 jet drilled out to .079 in (No jets over 160 were available on Sunday). The plugs still show the 883 is too lean after several hours of riding today. It's those loud screaming eagle pipes and no corresponding jet change. He sold me the Savage to raise the funds for the 883. So far, I think the Savage is a better play bike except for (1) Exhaust sound and (2) ease of carburetor access. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by bobo383 on 03/20/05 at 21:11:27 To come back full circle on this thread, I went riding today with my neighbor (883), his brother (Softtail w/ EFI), and me on the Savage. We all had passengers. Of course the Softtail would leave the Savage, but the Savage would just barely leave the 883 between red lights. Need a new clutch. I rode the Softtail, and it's nice - VERY NICE but I can't justify $19,000 or even $10,000 for a bike. Not yet, anyway. We went to a bike show at HotRods&Hoggs (Arlington TX). Several people told me I should enter the Savage for Classic bike due to the Single cylinder. I didn't tell them it was a 98, and I didn't enter because we weren't staying, but it was definitely the 2nd coolest import in the parking lot. It got some attention, but not like the 66 Triumph Bonneville. Amazing how these "odd" bikes stick out and get attention in a lot full of nice v-twins and crotch rockets. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/21/05 at 01:05:02 Quote:
Ain't it grand! One of the nice things about owning the LS650! |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by WD on 03/21/05 at 01:20:22 Just think how much attention you'd get by modifying it! Starting with a nice, basic, inexpensive yet well made bike sure opens the creative doors! -WD |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by sunny on 03/21/05 at 14:32:44 i take mine over to the place where predominantly harley guys hang out. both me and the savage get strange looks. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by bobo383 on 03/21/05 at 18:07:22 The Harley snobs are usually the ones that drove a car to the bike hangout. They have plenty excuses why they don't even own a motorcycle at all. Hyabusas, Triumphs, Savages, Dual-Sports, and yes HDs park next to each other around here with no problems at all. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by sluggo on 03/21/05 at 18:11:04 sunny wrote:
i've seen your picture sunny, you don't look strange at all. ;D |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Goose on 03/21/05 at 18:36:04 Met a really cool older gentleman and his wife this weekend his attiude was does not matter what you ride so long as you are on 2 wheels. both were riding harley road glides. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Goose on 03/21/05 at 19:16:43 My last statement on harley davidson overweight and over priced |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by gitarzan on 03/21/05 at 20:31:03 Goose wrote:
Sounds like my wife... :( |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by klx650sm2002 on 03/22/05 at 01:23:28 The old sporty I rode had so much transmission backlash you couldn't go below 2000 and it had no power above 4000 not impressed, I presume a Savage is much better than this, could anyone put numbers on it please ? Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by savagethumper on 03/22/05 at 15:25:49 I stopped at the local Subway this weekend and parked next to a couple on Harley's, and they thought it was a Royal Enfield. I've heard of them, but never seen one. Is the Royal a Thumper? |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by savagethumper on 03/22/05 at 15:32:49 If you want to be loyal to Suzuki, you could always pick up an SV650. It's the naked sport bike. 2 cylinders, fun as hell to ride, and pretty sharp. Their in the $6k range. One of the top rated naked's around. Or you could look into a 1400 Intruder (Boulevard), whatever the hell they call it now. I'm a medium build guy, and I would seriously consider getting one if I was in the market for a newer one. I took one on a test ride when my bike was getting serviced, and I didn't want to get off. There is a major power and sound difference. The one I rode was a 2003 with Cobra pipes, and I really wanted it to go home with me.http://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/Intruder/VS1400-Intruder/2003_VS1400_slvbl_side_250.jpg |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/22/05 at 15:35:26 http://www.enfieldmotorcycles.com/images/65forweb.jpg Yup the Royal Enfield is a Thumper ... 350 & 500cc ... Classic British m/c, now manufactured in India ... doesn't look much like the Savage though ... |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by savagethumper on 03/22/05 at 15:37:35 I dig the classic styling. ;) |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Paladin on 03/22/05 at 16:04:06 It is not classic styling -- they have just never bothered to change it. While surfing I found mention of a high compression piston kit for the Indian Enfield -- up to about 8.5:1 from the stock 6.5:1 (IIRC) As for lugging the engine -- I'll pull 5th gear from 25 mph, whatever RPM that equates to. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by gitarzan on 03/22/05 at 16:25:50 Also there's one more current street thumper: http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_lg_0108BOODAB.jpg FWIW. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Paladin on 03/22/05 at 17:40:58 A comparison of Blast and Savage by Toadie. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1108662048;start=13#13) |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by sluggo on 03/22/05 at 17:45:37 PerrydaSavage wrote:
hate the fenders and struts :( love the kickstart. intresting bike |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by WD on 03/22/05 at 21:16:25 Wonder if the R.E. still falls apart when chopped? -WD |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by sluggo on 03/22/05 at 21:28:32 WD wrote:
by it looks, cut one piece of bailing wire and the things done. ;D |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by WD on 03/22/05 at 21:44:33 Baling wire? I've worked on an early Royal Enfield. Baling wire would be an improvement. -WD |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Greg_650 on 03/23/05 at 04:59:06 bobo383 wrote:
I wonder why I never seen the DR 800 thumper in the US... http://home.comcast.net/~gmdinusa/DR800.jpg |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Diane on 03/23/05 at 08:12:15 bobo383 wrote:
I've never ridden a Sportster but Motocycle Consumer News did a review on the new ones a few months ago. They didn't end up with a very high opinion of it and neither did I. The only thing they had tested recently that they could compare it to was the Suzuki Bergman Scooter and the scooter had more horsepower. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Ed_L. on 03/23/05 at 08:37:31 I'm always checking the motorcycle section of the classifieds, used 883 sportsters are going for around $4,500 and up. It's interesting how low the milage is on some of them are, seen '95 sportsters with under 5,000 miles on them. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Kropatchek on 03/23/05 at 15:18:54 No wonder; they want to be part of the crowd ( own a HD). Then they realise its not what they want. Bad handling, pricy assessories ,pricy parts, everything with the HD logo doubles or triples the price, you name it. Kropatchek; very satisfied with the SAVAGE ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by sunny on 03/25/05 at 12:58:22 i really want to thank you guys for putting out the comparisons. i have only ridden my savage since the msf course and i've got a friend who thinks i need a buell. personally, i am quite satisfied with my savage, but the nagging is getting old. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by sluggo on 03/25/05 at 13:17:25 sunny wrote:
the people who nag are just jealous that you've got this really great machine at a bargin price, and they don't ;D |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by savagethumper on 03/25/05 at 18:45:42 Sunny, they think that since your a "chick", you should have a cute colorful bike like a Buell. To hell with 'em. Your Savage is just fine. I can't wait to see all the work you plan on doing to it. By the way, have you gotten over your little illness? |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by savagethumper on 03/25/05 at 19:21:18 I think this was mentioned earlier, but have ya'll ever noticed that you commonly see HD's in the paper for sale that are 4-5 years old, and only have a couple hundred miles on them. I imagine that most a you, myself included, put a couple hundred miles on their bikes the day the got them. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Paladin on 03/25/05 at 19:29:29 sunny wrote:
Driving back to the barn today there was a sport bike of some sort next to me. Was accelerating at the same rate as my company van, quiet exhaust, horrid loud clunks as he shifted gears. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by sluggo on 03/25/05 at 19:54:24 savagethumper wrote:
right after i ripped the turn signals of the darn thing |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by WD on 03/25/05 at 20:13:43 First week I put almost 800 miles on it. Wife and I rode two up to dinner to celebrate buying it. Then rode to Baton Rouge Louisiana from our place on the MS coast, got frozen trying to ride home...the bike spent the night IN the hotel room. I have almost 4 years of down time to make up for. If the stepson decides he still wants my 98, that's cool. I'll go get another one and start over. Most of the time I'd rather wrench than ride, but man, the call ofthe open road is getting stronger, and harder to resist. Doctor has cleared me to ride...he didn't say how far...wonder if I can borrow his BMW tourer for a month or two? -WD |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by quikbike on 03/26/05 at 14:08:43 You guys whine like a bunch of Goldwingers.........You think anybody wants to hear your constant barrage of insults towards HD? OK you got Savages nice little bikes but not the only bikes out there and neither are Harleys But I don't feel the need to badmouth your Savage Why is it you feel the need to Badmouth Harley? My wife just bought a Savage and I was surfing for info and tips. Too much BS though. I ride you ride leave it at that. I've ridden and previously owned a 1200 Sporty and good luck to any Savage that thought he could take it. It wouldn't even be close. There are plenty of used Savages out there with low miles to..... |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Ed_L. on 03/26/05 at 16:21:14 Point well made about low milage Savages but there seems to be more low milage Harley's out there. Maybe it's the type of rider as well as the type of bike. Seems owning a motorcycle is becoming more main line, there are a lot of crouch rockets out there that also have low milage so it isn't just the cruiser crowd that buy and don't ride. Getting back to harleys, the American made in you face attitude you get ocasionally wears thin pretty quick. Then there's the "lifestyle" that is marketed by Harley, they have as many clothing stores as motorcycle dealers. They bust on us for not riding a harley, we bust on them because they do, it's nothing serious. Go over to a Harley site and mention a Savage, the response would not be pleasant. We are just trying to toot our own horn about how different a Savage is when compaired to the "all American Motorcycle". After all being a biker was about being different from the pack, not following a name blindly. Ride Safe, no matter what you ride. Ed L. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by slavy on 03/26/05 at 16:22:10 This is an answer to the post before. May be Sportster 1200 isn't a bad bike and nobody here says it is. Here we are talking "bang for a buck".Especially after HD found about the aluminum in the 80s there are some decent models that would be worthed up to 7 Gs. I personally have more than 20 bikes, but I refuse to buy HD and work on "union made and overpriced" HD. But this is me. And You might be not one of so tipical Yapees in a new leathers on a shiny HDs with under 500 miles/year on them. If so- good for You. Even though here was used the name of HD, the critics about the trailer queens apply to all the eye candys with a price like half of a house. Just it happens that almost all of the bikes like this have the HD logo on them. "IF IT DOESN'T RUN- CHROME IT. EVEN IF IT DOESN'T FIX IT , IT WILL LOOK COOL IN THE CHOP" About the site and what is here- hey this is a free country. I'll post what I think about the bikes and I am not afraid of critics. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by quikbike on 03/26/05 at 16:47:53 Ed your wrong about the Harley guys trashing the Savage.....I have mentioned the Savage on several Harley forums and it gets much respect as a classic old single. My Harleys get ridden. I live in Maine so yes I did trailer down to Bike Week this year but put a respectable 1500 miles on while down there. I see the same thing with the Goldwing crowd(my brothers choice of ride). Just gets old we should be together because only about 15% of people ride. Seems more people are interested in spewing stereotypical BS then riding. My wife got out her new Savage for a quick ride today but at 38 degrees she wasn't out long.....LOL Jeff |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by WD on 03/26/05 at 16:49:58 As someone who has HAD flathead HD BTs, Knuckle BTs, Pan BTs, both types of Shovelhead BT, Evo BT, Ironhead Sporty, Evo head sporty, a 450 Rebel, a 96 800 Intruder, and a 98 Savage, I think I can speak from experience. Pound for pound, dollar for dollar, the Savage and the 450 Rebel are d----d good bikes. Flatty, Knuckle, 6 volt Pans, d----d good bikes, but not as good. 12 volt Pan and newer, no thanks. Sportster, unless it is the low production 900 or 1100 factory hot rod, wouldn't have it if it was free, with lifetime free gas thrown in for good measure. The worst bike i ever owned was a 92 HD Wide Glide custom. 4 motors and 6 trannies inside of 6 months. Al were replaced under warranty, at different dealerships, with the same results. I finally threw in a 78 Shovel motor. Least it ran... It's a free country. Ride what you like. My Savage has flat out spanked anything I pitted it against stoplight to stoplight. 1200 Piglet? I walked all over a Buell S1... -WD |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Ed_L. on 03/26/05 at 18:40:24 Can't argue that we all ride and our choice of mounts is personal. Haven't been to a harley site for a couple of years, couldn't keep up with all the different models they were talking about. Glade to here that a big thumper still gets respect with them. Guess a few H-D owners with a bad attitude can affect how you look at them all. Course it is that way the world over with BS. Ride Safe, Ed L. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by quikbike on 03/27/05 at 06:34:47 I walked all over a Buell S1... Send me some of what your smoking....must be good. Jeff |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Mr 650 on 03/27/05 at 07:24:02 sorta like you crashed "their" party :o w/o paying the price of admission? :) ::) I have looked at Buells w/ some interest as some big bore kits out there crossover to the Buell (unlike Savage) It is an easy swap on the push rod motor and it is something I would like to try. However the $$$ to get there are prohibitive vs. just setting up the Savage to suit. Not sure I could make the Blast much of a tourer i.e. would be wishing for my Savage for long rides. sluggo wrote:
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Diane on 03/27/05 at 07:38:25 sunny wrote:
Sunny, just turn that around on your friend and start telling him/her that what he/she really needs is a Savage. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by savagethumper on 03/27/05 at 10:07:36 Well said, Diane. I sat on a Buell single at the dealership a couple years back, and I thought it was kinda cool looking, but it was noticeably little. The front wheel looked 13 inches in diameter. It looks like it would be a "Blast" around town, or some twisty rodes, but not any good as a tourer. My friends were with me when I was looking at it, and they kept telling me to buy it, but I better find a matching purse. So, my male machismo kicked in, and I started looking at the big HD's. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/27/05 at 10:40:13 Maybe I'm just "stunned" (Newfspeak for "stupid") or somethin' ... but I really don't get the "H.D. vs anything" debate ... if it's got 2 wheels then I like it ... of course though, being a human being with "tastes and preferances", I like some kinds of Bikes better than others ... i.e. the Savage/S40, the Intruder/S50, Rebel 450 and the 883 Sportster being my personal faves ... to be honest though, when I first got into motorcycles, I didn't know a Savage was "fit to eat" (more Newfspeak) ... was looking to replace my old 250 Rebel, sat on a neighbours old '86 Savage and thought, "this'll do me!" ... it had a 650 engine and it fit; that was it. I've since educated myself on the various types of Bikes available and the potential pros and cons of each model, but ultimately what it boils down to, is whatcha like (or don't) ... that's it and that's all that really matters ... well that and "enjoying the Ride"! Ride whatcha want and Ride Safe 8)! |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by sluggo on 03/27/05 at 11:06:16 quikbike wrote:
if you read all the posts on this thread, it's not so much the machine as it is the people who buy a hd for the image that we look down upon. you know the guys that trailer their maching to an event, let the bikes sit there for every one to see, and that's the only time they take them out, thinking they are bikers. a biker is someone who chooses to ride their bike, what ever type make or model, rather than their cage. this is a conversation of savage owners on a savage site, it's not like we go to other forums and raise a stink, like you have here. please show a little decorm when visting sites you do not normally visit, that includes ours. while we do share technical information, and are willing to help, this is basically a social forum. for really technical stuff try berts site. here's a link http://www.heise-workstations.de/ls650/Fragen/LS650-Fragen-backup.html feel free to join our discussions, but do so with respect in our "home", as we would do at yours. i hope your wife enjoys her savage, and her motorcycle too. ::) |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Paladin on 03/27/05 at 12:01:54 The Blast is an under $5K 500cc 360# Street Thumper in sportbike trim. If you just gotta have American it is your only choice for a small street bike. If you want a thumper it is a good choice as the engine lacks the fine counterballancing of the Savage and it shakes considerably more. But it's in sportbike guise which isn't supposed to shake. You might call it a sheep in wolf's clothing. If I'm going to go the sportbike route I want smooooth -- which for me means an inline four. (I can still remember listening to the first 4-cylinder Honda in Detroit -- sounded like a sports car rather than a bike.) You pay for the extra cylinders, but you do get what you pay for. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by quikbike on 03/27/05 at 15:43:48 Sluggo I'd expect that from I person with an avitar like yours. Excuse me but I am a Savage owner and don't believe any disrespect was shown. A discussion involves two sides typically. I've been shadowing this forum since getting the Savage in November. Thanks though for the invite out to someone elses forum. Nice real nice. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Paladin on 03/27/05 at 16:41:45 quikbike wrote:
My condolences to your wife. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by quikbike on 03/27/05 at 17:48:55 and thin skinned too....maybe you should get a moped. and she doesn't need your condolences |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by gitarzan on 03/27/05 at 17:54:54 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gitarzan/peeguy.gifhttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gitarzan/harley_logo_small.gif |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by sluggo on 03/27/05 at 18:31:58 quikbike wrote:
i dont get the "i'd expect that" remark. i informed you of what the problem was with guys who buy hd's for an image and gave an example. i also stated my position that i don't care what you ride, as long as you ride. if you have been lurking since november, you will see i have never badmouthed a machine, just posers. next you stated you were looking for technical information to which i directed you to a forum where that is the focus, one many of us visit, and there i offer them a chance to be social here. so whats the problem with that. i then asked you to show respect when visiting our little community. i did this with respect and with no personal attack. but all you choose to focus on is the little picture at the bottom of the post. my hardcore biker brother (a member of the spokane chapter of the angels) thought it was pretty darn funny. i had some really good personal attacks ready to go but my dearly departed mother taught me "if i don't have any thing nice to say, don't say anything" so i won't go there girlfriend. i will say this though, you are welcome to your opinion, just check you attitude at the door please, because one thing we do take pride in is our ability to agree to disagree. as long as it comes with respect. fyi my brother has more respect for me and anyone who chooses to be different in what they ride than the lemmings who buy want to buy a lifestyle. those are the people we bag on. and finally you can see how our members react to one of us being attacked. my advise is this, play nice or don't play at all. i would love hear your response, as long as it's an intelligent thought out reply, rather than "i'd expect that from a person", one you don't even know. btw, happy easter. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by WD on 03/27/05 at 18:36:34 Git, THAT is in poor taste, even by my low standards. When I rode HDs, I liked HDs. After having a few too many lemons, I gave up on it. Would I have another one? Maybe, if I could find a good deal on a 64 or older BT or a 45 Flattie. Although I'll still keep my patch flipped... When I rode Honda, I liked Honda. Ditto the other brands. I like ANY bike that the owner actually rides. I hate any bike that gets trailered anywhere it goes. A show bike is a like a show car. If it can't be used the way it was intended, why bother? Advertising for your shop? Okay, but it would draw more positive attention if you rode it. Just my opinion. -WD |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by gitarzan on 03/27/05 at 19:07:59 I dunno, everyone liked it a few months ago when it was my tagline. Actually, I wouldn't mind a Harley. I've got a $20 lottery ticket on a FatBoy. 1 out 1500 tickets to be sold isn't too bad odds. If I win it, I'll sell it to pay the taxes. The rest will go for a other stuff, mebbe a motorcycle, mebbe hookers. It's just the Harley "people" who are condescending about any other bike that's non-HD. I go poker runs that are almost 100% HD riders. About 1/2 don't care what anyone rides. The other 1/2 are the ones I gun for. The ones the ask me if I plan to get a real bike. I usually tell them, "I'm thinking about a V-Star," and they leave me alone. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by bobo383 on 03/27/05 at 19:18:08 Wow, this thing went sour from last time I checked in. I like just about everything that runs and goes bang. Darn resale is so good on an HD they're hard to find cheap. That's the only reason I don't have one (yet). I posted earlier asking about the 1200 Sportster because I wanted more SPEED. Savagethumper suggested an SV650 and that got me considering a sportbike. Well, I wound up stumbling across a YZF600 sportbike yesterday, typical deal for me the bike needed a little work (30 minutes worth and it was running) and the owner was not a wrencher. Got it for $2000. My garage now has 3 bikes - the XR500, Savage 650, and YZF600. My 65 Buick and 64 Impala have been temporarily evicted from the garage. My 2004 Suburban and 2004 Impala have never seen the garage. I don't know how they do it with the sportbikes - 100 mph on the crotch rocket is not windy at all. My 11 year old daughter was with me and she said "we went how fast?" Seems like 20mph on the Savage. Must be the aerodynamics. I still want a HD, an old one I can wrench on. But my speed quest is satisfied with the YZF. Found a really cool 76 ironhead Sportster - 1000 I believe - on consignment in a shop nearby, asking price is $4200. I'm afraid to offer $2000, cause if they come back with $3000 I'd probably take it. Maybe WD can tell me what flies to look for on the old thing so I can "get a good price". Only thing I don't care for is single-minded supremist zealots who think their bike-gun-car-religion is the only way. I get a kick out of spanking them with my old cheap inferior stuff when I have the chance. I once beat a Browning supremist guy at the skeet range with my $150 Remington 870, and he got so mad he threw his Browning Citori on the concrete. I felt sorry for the Citori and made him an offer on it. That just made the guy more PO'd. That's my idea of fun. --------------- Words in quotes rephrased by Susan |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by bobo383 on 03/27/05 at 19:42:13 Raining today anyway. This was the view out my garage in usually sunny Texas: http://predator.bikepics.com/pics/honda-xr500-83-bikepics-318238.jpg |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by gitarzan on 03/27/05 at 19:49:35 Looks like every day in Ohio for the last month. But! Warm Wx is scheduled this Wednesday! 70f! |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by savagethumper on 03/27/05 at 20:23:48 Hey Bobo, how'd you like the snowy slush this morning? Anyway, I didn't start this post for an argument. I was merely stating an amusing story about a recent ride with a friend and his Harley. I think Harley's are beautiful bikes. If I had the money, I'd have one, or a Victory, or a custom hardtail. I will say that I agree, and understand where Sluggo is coming from when he rips on the "would-be" riders. I understood he was ripping the person, not the bike. It just seems that most of the people he was describing, ride Harleys. If the shoe fits.......... |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by bobo383 on 03/27/05 at 20:32:17 Weather sucks. Actually rode the XR500 this morning in the slushy stuff and avoided laying it down (although kissing would have been nice). You should have seen me on the crotch rocket in the rain yesterday. Had to do it, though, after getting it fired up and all. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by WD on 03/27/05 at 20:41:52 Ironhead Sporty problems? Only two I really remember were bad tranny gears and couldn't keep oil in them. Mine didn't run when I bought it, parted it out for several hundred bucks after I put alot of time into fixing the tranny. Must have got hold of a bad gearset. Lasted right at 1000miles, and the teeth stripped (same as it was when I bought it). Parts are better now, metallurgy has come along ways since the 900 was new. Since I used NOS parts, I had the apparently bad batch... -WD |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by bobo383 on 03/27/05 at 21:00:37 It sits real low, about like my Savage. There ain't a lick of chrome anywhere on it, save the handlebars. It has a cool old "5" in the Harley logo on the tank, I guess that means 5 gears. There's a puddle under it that gets wiped up every few days. The left side cover leaks at the round plug near the back. The shop says it will run and drive, but it's indoors and I have not gotten serious enough about it to ask for a demo. Reckon it's worth 2 grand? I'll get a pic and post. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by WD on 03/27/05 at 22:09:22 If it leaks that bad, I'd pass. Cracking the cases on a Sporty is easy, putting one back together sux bigtime. There are tons of abandoned bikes out there, many with less labor intensive problems. Keep looking. -WD |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by quikbike on 03/28/05 at 02:55:36 Sorry guys didn't mean to tick anybody off. Its been a long winter in Maine with to much time at this computer and not enough riding time. Sometimes when a see a constant one sided bashing going on I step in to put in my 2 cents. Peace out....... Jeff |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Savage_Rob on 03/28/05 at 06:32:22 Heh, I'd ride a Harley. I just wouldn't pay their asking prices. If I won one in a raffle or something like that, I really have to think about whether I'd ride it or sell it and buy a different bike. That'd probably come down to the model and my tastes. I personally feel I can get a lot more bike for my money from many other manufacturers. On the subject of the long winter in Maine, it sounds like you need to get out and ride. It's one of my favorite therapies anyway. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Susan on 03/28/05 at 08:51:40 Peace please. I've been absent from the forum for a few weeks or I would have jumped in sooner. To be clear... everyone is entitled to their own opinion in this forum, including quikbike. What is not appropriate from quikbike or anyone else (you know who you are) are personal attacks. Quikbike, I think if you get to know us you'll learn that we are accepting of riders of all sorts of bikes. What we care about is that they are REAL riders, not posers. Let's move on. :) |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Red_Wine on 03/28/05 at 12:52:16 I agree with Perry on this one; Harley versus other bikes is just serious fun... Harleys are not bad machines IMHO, I have never ridden one, but the rider group I hang out with has 2-3 HDs and lots of Intruders, Viragos, CBRs, a couple Savages and the like, and HD riders are not disrespectful at all, at least not in this group... I agree with the idea of "No matter what you ride, just ride", My boss here rides a fancy Dragstar 1100 and once he dared to aske me when I was going to get a "real bike" and I answered him that I was planing to get a second Savage, then he offered his bike for me to test ride it, and before declining, I asked if he was trying to tempt me into trading his Dragstar for my Savage... he has never risen the issue again.... Sure, he can give me dust on the freeway, but in commuting traffic, his bulky Dragstar just does not have any "waist" to sneak through traffic, and acceleration-wise, his is not faster than my 400cc, chain-drive Savage from red light to red light. Just my 2 cents. Ride safe, RW |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by slavy on 03/28/05 at 22:06:55 And not to be nasty to HD company, but just like a fact. Some girl that I know was looking for a good beginers bike and one of the bikes she was looking at was Buell. Because of the notes here and because of the lack of anything better to do / my neighbours aren't too happy when I am tuning carb's 11.30 pm/ I decided to check on the web what the buell owners have to say about their precious possession. You guys be judges for Yourself. Check www.mybuell.com or just check buell owners forum. It is a fun reading. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Paladin on 03/29/05 at 08:11:29 quikbike wrote:
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Greg_650 on 04/01/05 at 14:54:11 Bike bashing has gone on ever since I started riding. Generally this is just a fun teasing kind of thing, though. When I rode Yamahas, I was on a Yamahaha. Now I am riding a Srcewuski. This is just good natured "competitiveness" that comes with men, machines, and their egos. There is a difference when it involves HD, though. Really hard to deal with too because then comes the issues of "American" made machines, and it almost borders on the idea of calling everyone else "Un-American". And for those of us on German or Jap bikes, it's like we're traitors on the other side. That's the way a lot of HD riders think or even speak, and that's why the issue is so passionate for the average Non-HD riding American. It even hardly matters that most of a HD is out-sourced and that it is loaded with lots of German and Japanese parts. Take the German designed V-Rod for example, too. It doesn't even matter that some foreign bike manufacturers have factories in the US, which provides American jobs. Or how about the Americans working at dealerships, shops, and other places dealing with foreign bikes. It is just a common fact that the normal HD rider considers anything else to be less....to be looked down upon. I've ridden Harleys, Triumphs, Vespas, Hondas, Suzukis, and Yamahas. They are all bikes, and I like them all. It's is just some people that I don't like. There, I've said my peace. |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Greg_650 on 04/03/05 at 15:00:07 They used to make 'em. Oops :) |
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Title: Re: HD vs. Savage: the battle wages on Post by Kropatchek on 04/03/05 at 15:03:09 Real motorbike correction http://img101.exs.cx/img101/6498/fastdate3rm.jpg Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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