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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> About the MC oils again /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1111416396 Message started by slavy on 03/21/05 at 06:46:36 |
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Title: About the MC oils again Post by slavy on 03/21/05 at 06:46:36 Couple of days ago I stumbled against some article and it keeps bothering me. Years in a row I have been told how supperior are the MC oils compared with the regular car oils. There was no way to prove it wrong and just to cover my behind I kept telling the same story. Now I don't know what to think. Here is the lead:http://www.xs11.com/stories/mcnoil94.htm |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by Ed_L. on 03/21/05 at 07:14:40 According to the article it looks like it is more important to change you oil more frequently instead of using the more expensive motorcycle specfic oil and waiting longer between changes. Great article, thanks for posting the link. |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by sluggo on 03/21/05 at 10:10:40 this fact i've know for years.. i've ran delco 400 in each and every machine i own. that's from tractors to race machines. it's the oil industries dark little secret. it's like contact lenses, the pricy one's for day use are no different than ones for continured use. just more costly because of the advertising campains, hail the god of capitolism it pays to think for yourself rather than letting others decide for you, isn't that really why we ride a savage? |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by Savage_Rob on 03/21/05 at 10:51:32 It seems this shows that viscosity retention is no better in motorcycle oils than in automobile oils. That's pretty much as I would have expected. I've been led to believe that there are additives in mc oils (particularly the 100% synthetics) that reduce clutch slippage and that, without those, pure synthetics shouldn't be used with a wet clutch. Has anyone seen any independently verifiable research on that issue? |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by DangMan on 03/21/05 at 12:50:17 Would it be a god idea to make a positive list of oils that can be used in our beloved MCs ? |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by lancer on 03/21/05 at 12:55:23 I use Amsoil synthetic and my Savage likes it just fine, and no problem with the clutch at all. |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by sluggo on 03/21/05 at 13:01:26 DangMan wrote:
there is only one oil as far as i'm concerned. DELCO 400 BY CHEVERON. it meets grade standards, can be bought anywhere. like i said in earler posts. i run it in every machine i own. i put 98,000 miles on my last thumper using only delco 400 and twice a year oil changes. i would have got more but i (yes a man is admitting his mistakes) killed it by a stupid mistake. somebody once said "oil is like toothpaste/deodorant, they all work pretty much the same, but we all have our personal preference". my preference is backed up with miles totaling over a million in all the different machines i own. THE MONEY I SAVE RUNNING ONE KIND OF OIL ALLOWS ME TO BUY WHAT THE MACHINE REALLY NEEDS. FUEL just my opinion and you know what they say about that now don't ya. |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by Savage_Rob on 03/21/05 at 13:04:01 Yup, yup. Just like an @sshole, everyone has one - and they all stink. |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by DangMan on 03/21/05 at 13:46:59 sluggo wrote:
Maby over there, but here in mideval europe its not so easy to get my fingers on, here we have Shell, Statoil, Q8 and Hydro Texaco |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by sluggo on 03/21/05 at 17:33:43 DangMan wrote:
bummer dude. ::) |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by Honda_fan on 03/21/05 at 19:07:00 DangMan wrote:
Dangman, Stay away from oils marked energy conserving. These are the types of friction modifiers that can cause clutch slippage. If you look for oils like Shell Rotella, Delvac and the like you will find some really good oils that are priced very competively. These are marketed as fleet oils for diesel and other uses. I was using Mobil 1 red cap but that is being replaced so I will go back to Rotella on the next change. |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by Honda_fan on 03/21/05 at 19:12:43 sluggo wrote:
Sluggo, What is the viscosity rating? I was using Mobil 1 red cap since I prefered the shift feel in one of my bikes and like you only wanted to use one type of oil. Red cap is being replaced with a higher priced alternative so I am looking for options. Before Mobil 1 I was using Rotella and will go back to that for now. I may look for this to try it out. |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by bobo383 on 03/21/05 at 22:18:49 sluggo wrote:
I remember running Chevron Delo 400 in log trucks growing up - this stuff: http://dan.prxy.org/Truck/Parts_db/Delo_400_front.jpg http://dan.prxy.org/Truck/Parts_db/Delo_400_back.jpg Same thing? |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by WD on 03/21/05 at 22:22:22 Same stuff. I'm partial to regular old Castrol GTX myself. So far so good, and I tend to seriously abuse my bikes. -WD |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by bobo383 on 03/21/05 at 22:27:02 Another very interesting oil treatise written by a sportbiker speaks well of Sluggo's Delo400 and Castrol GTX: http://www.gis.net/~manjo/motorcycle_motor_oil.htm If anybody should have clutch slippage worries, it's the sportbikers. |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by bobo383 on 03/21/05 at 22:34:54 Castrol GTX 10W40 has been my first love. I've been using Castrol GTX 10W40 in everything (old cars, tractors, dirt bikes, ATVs) up till the Savage clutch started giving up. Going to 4-stroke motorcycle oil seemed to help a little, granted the clutch is on its way out anyway. May just be coincidence, but now I'm questioning the GTX in the Savage as a possible clutch killer. But I've used Castrol GTX 10W40 in my XR500and countless other wet clutch machines with no touble, and I never let up a bit. |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by sluggo on 03/21/05 at 22:39:41 i use the 10/40 |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by WD on 03/21/05 at 23:13:17 Plain old Castrol GTX (red top) North American market 20W50. I tried 10W40. I tried blended, both weights. My bike works best with dino 20W50. It is cheap to buy, I can get it anywhere from the Arctic Circle to the Yucatan, it doesn't burn off/magically disappear like syn did. When I (illegally by USN regs) rode in Spain, I used whatever was cheap. Granted, gas and oil weren't cheap in Spain in 95/96, but no bikes I borrowed had problems. Air cooled, liquid cooled, oil/air cooled, didn't matter. Oil is oil. If your bike works fine on your normal brand, so much the better. I've even used the less than a buck a quart Wal-mart stuff without trouble. Don't make a habit of it, but, any oil in a pinch. -WD |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by Reelthing on 04/24/05 at 18:43:12 time to stir this oil up I guess |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by slavy on 04/25/05 at 09:21:59 Very interesting fact- couple of days ago I went to one of the local dealerships to get some oil / I buy it a discount price, so I pay like for a regular car oil in Autozone/. I bought Suzuki 20W-50 and Kawasaki 20W-50. When I got home I compared the labels and I found out that Kawasaski brand was marked like a MOTORCYCLE oil , but on the Suzuki bottle was writhen just 4-cycle MOTOR oil , made in USA. I guess even the Suzuki dealership was selling a regular car oil , but pocketing a hefty profit . From all I have red so far I have come to couple of conclusions: 1. It is not the brand name- It is the interval between the oil changes that makes the biggest difference. 2. The oil loses the viscosity very fast- about 20% in the first 800 miles and after that the process slows down, but the oil stays thinner, so always I should put thicker oil, than what recommended. 3.If the clutch starts slipping because of the oil- It's time has come anyway. I change the clutch and put stronger springs or put more preload on the old springs to make for the more slippery oil. This is what "Barnett" is doing for their aplications. 4.Doesn't matter what kind of oil am I using, I always keep my eyes on the oil level. |
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Title: Re: About the MC oils again Post by Setral on 04/25/05 at 09:38:04 Since so many were asking, definately a good thing to keep this up. |
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