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Message started by theikeman on 08/14/05 at 00:25:06

Title: Mystery oil spillage
Post by theikeman on 08/14/05 at 00:25:06

Last night while moving the Savage around in my garage, the kickstand folded on me and the bike fell over into some boxes, so it didn't go quite all the way dow, nothing damaged, nothing bent. However, when I righted it and put it back on it's stand, there was a puddle of oil. Oil cap is tight - where is this coming from? ???
Thanks
Ike

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by torque on 08/14/05 at 07:06:34

If your engine is clean you should see where the oil came from,but if your engine is always dirty from leaky oil , it could be the oil plug in the head,if its leaking, oil can lay in all the nooks and crannies of the head,and when it fell over that oil came out,also check breather tube to make sure its secure, and check the gaskets.

maybe some gods will help you!

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by slavy on 08/14/05 at 09:02:03

Under the air filter box there is a drenage hose, that is supposed to have a cap in the end. If You don't drain the air box on a regular bases , You start having a small oil reservoir , full of dirty oil. I think the hose got disconected or brocken and this oil spilled out.

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by theikeman on 08/14/05 at 14:13:57

Engine is clean, appears to have come from the valve timing inspection cover, which I can't budge with the largest screwdriver or even a jackhandle I have. Why would oil be coming from there? ???
Thanks again
Ike ;D

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by torque on 08/14/05 at 18:26:01

there is a o-ring on the valve inspection cover.someone might have put the wrong size on if your not the origanal owner,also the o-ring might have gotten pinched between the threds,making it hard to unscrew.
Try a hammer and punch(or screwdriver)to tap it loose
be gentle while doing this but it should work.

Remember righty tighty,lefty loosy ;D

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by theikeman on 08/15/05 at 23:27:58

Got the cover off, o-ring looks intact, if I run it with cover off, I get blowback, is this normal? Motor starts easily and quickly, no smoke, Help???
Ike

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by theikeman on 08/17/05 at 17:30:18

Compression tests good, plug is clean, bike runs good. Is the pressure or blowback coming from the timing inspection hole (cover off) normal?
Thanks
Ike ???

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by Reelthing on 08/17/05 at 18:12:57

I would think so this single piston pushes a lot of air out of the way going down that on a multicylinder would mostly move over to another hole - let me go see.

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by Reelthing on 08/17/05 at 18:18:43

d@mn yes, and oil mist

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by Reelthing on 08/17/05 at 18:41:31

Doesn't read to me like you have anything wrong. As Slavy suggests - did you drain hose under the air box? - little black plastic plug you pull out to do so.

Just on a side note - I've always thought we could cool single cylinder 4-strokes a lot with a couple of PCV or reed valves by pullin fresh air in say at the oil filler cap (take that off and start it!) and pushing air out the head breather hose - need to really filter inbound air of course. As designed the air moves back and forth in the breather hose to the airbox. - may give it go one of these days.

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by diesel on 08/17/05 at 21:33:06

early auto engines(20s 30s 40s 50s)used a draft tube(a pipe attached to crankcase extended into air flow beneath the vehicle) the oil filler cap was filled with steelwool, air movement past tube end created a vacumn in crankcase drawing filtered air through cap.OH, HOW SIMPLE! EPA put a stop to that,born the PCV. (positive crank vent) always drips of oil out of that tube as the air carried oil mist and vapors(HCs) out of engine. Bill aka diesel.

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by Reelthing on 08/17/05 at 22:08:38

For sure - worked on my share of pre '68 (Best I remember that was the first PCV regulated) - but the single is unique in that it's as good of a crankcase air pump as it is internal combustion - make a fair air compressor on the bottom end.

Best one remember was a '63 or so falcon 170ci may a been a 140ci i-6 that would puff enough smoke out that tube when the rings were shot to leave a trail on the ground like a smoke snake

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by Mr 650 on 08/17/05 at 22:39:45

About '80, bought a nice black w/ red int. '62 2-Dr. Hardtop Impala, slushbox, (I still remember the little whine that the frt pump made in park), and freshened 327,...smoothest ride I ever had. It had a draft tube ;D
I am pretty sure my ol' ' 54 Chevy truck had one too... but the '62 was a much nicer ride.

diesel wrote:

early auto engines(20s 30s 40s 50s)used a draft tube...

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by Reelthing on 08/17/05 at 22:48:06

Oh yes front pumps and rear - an automatic you could pull start!

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by Mr 650 on 08/17/05 at 23:05:37

Never had to, it was a great car, I wish I still had it.
It was about 25 years ago, I had just put on a set of Crager SS w/ the spinners and we went to the U.S. Nats in it that year. The paint was original and faded, so what Jesse James & the Kalifornia Kids now call "Suede black" I had 25 years ago! But the sheet metal was perfectly straight and so was the interior... It replaced my '68 Fury III 2-Dr. ;D another one I wish I still had.

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by theikeman on 08/18/05 at 21:42:42

Took the inspection cover off, removed the intact o-ring, cleaned everything real good, put it back together and as soon as the engine starts, oils seeps out of the inspection cover, if I crank it up, it REALLY comes out. :-[The O-ring looked good???
Help??
Ike ???

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by Reelthing on 08/19/05 at 09:14:57

Seeps out where - at the o-ring or the case gasket?

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by Savage_Rob on 08/19/05 at 10:24:03

Is it possible the cover is bent? Does the other cover leak? If not, swap them and see if the leak moves or stays put.

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by theikeman on 08/19/05 at 12:20:45

Figured it out, the slot in the center of the inspection cover (where the wide screwdriver goes) has a tiny hole which is fine as long as the motor is not running, and the bike is upright. As soon as I start it, which creates pressure, it leaks. So .... going back to the start of this thread, when it fell over on that side it leaked. Since it did not do that before, I can only surmise that I caused the hole trying to get the darn cover off :-[. So I guess a trip to my local Suzuki dealer is next for a new cover. Ain't life grand!!
Thank you for all the helpful tips and questions.
Ike ;D

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by DavidV on 08/19/05 at 14:47:18

A little JB Weld can save that part.

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by Greg_650 on 08/21/05 at 06:14:17

theikeman wrote:

And now you know why I made this tool. That slot isn't meant for a screwdriver and a hammer, but we all do it anyway. A new cover costs about $15.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/Tool01web.jpg

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/22/05 at 04:10:44

My KLX has two plastic slotted things in the left hand casing, I find a 50p piece works well.

Clive W :D

Title: Re: Mystery oil spillage
Post by Savage_Rob on 08/22/05 at 07:01:25

This Motion Pro Timing Plug Wrench (http://www.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/product~pf_id~3279841~dept_id~1215886.asp) works very well too.