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Message started by Probert31 on 08/16/05 at 08:04:16

Title: Another "quick" question...
Post by Probert31 on 08/16/05 at 08:04:16

First off, thanks for all your help with the other post. So, I've decided to try and do the carb mod myself. I was thinking about going with a #152.5 main jet and decreasing the spacer by 1/3-1/2. That's when I saw this Dynojet kit. Looks like it's an all in one type deal.

http://www.dynojet.com/jetkits/motorcycle/suzuki.php

Has anyone had any experience with this or can you recommend a different kit? If I go with the #152.5 main, will I need to drill out the jet or should it fit? Also, what do you think of this muffler? It looks like it should fit at least one bolt. Any suggestions?

http://www.morros.net/site/ecomm/detail.asp?PN=7624&cat=1813

Thanks again!!

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by Savage_Rob on 08/16/05 at 08:24:20

I bought a DJ kit. Save your money... unless you just have to have an adjustable needle. That's something like a $50 kit and a main jet is about $3. So far as I'm concerned, I wasted cash on that deal. Just do the mods the way you described above. Even if you got the DJ kit, you'd still have to buy jets. The ones they provide are not large enough. Also, in case you weren't aware, DJ sizes are not the same as Mikuni sizes. Just an FYI.

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by Probert31 on 08/16/05 at 09:15:57

"Also, in case you weren't aware, DJ sizes are not the same as Mikuni sizes. Just an FYI. "

Did not know that. Thanks.

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by Weez on 08/16/05 at 10:11:55

I really like the look of that muffler, I wonder how it would fit a savage?

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by Savage_Rob on 08/16/05 at 10:14:40

Probert31 wrote:

"Also, in case you weren't aware, DJ sizes are not the same as Mikuni sizes. Just an FYI. "

Did not know that. Thanks.

I didn't when I bought the kit either. There have been discussions since then and a reference page was placed on the Technical Corner called Mikuni / Dynojet jet size comparison (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1104263751) to assist.

That muffler would look really nice too. I'm sure you'll still have to have an adaptor made for it - if for nothing other than to account for the 8 or 10 degree (whatever it is) angle required. The Jardine and Mac already have these built in. However, for that price, having an adaptor made at a muffler shop should be no problem. The turnout would look good on the bike.

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by rkutzner on 08/16/05 at 10:57:24

Look at my sig, I am running a K&N and some holes in my baffle. So far the jetting is spot on, runs strong and the plug is the right color.

DJ is a waste of money. Used one on my Z400, wish I hadn't spent the $70....... :(

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by Probert31 on 08/16/05 at 13:41:01

"I'm sure you'll still have to have an adaptor made for it - if for nothing other than to account for the 8 or 10 degree (whatever it is) angle required"

I'm not sure what you mean. I was kinda hoping the channel bracket in the back would fit same as the stock muffler. I thought it might be somewhat short, and I'd probably have to rig some sort of extra support. Could you explain what you mean buy adapting for the angle? Thanks. Oh yeah, just thinking, how do you thin out the spacer? I was thinking of using sandpaper or a file of some sort.

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by Savage_Rob on 08/16/05 at 18:42:26

This is a photo of my Mac muffler. (It's normally chrome. I've blackened both the muffler and header.) Note the angle on the connector end. That's what I'm talking about.

http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-98-bikepics-410735.jpg

So far as the white spacer is concerned, I'll demur to those who've done that. Remember, I used the $50 DynoJet adjustable needle - not knowing it was such a waste of money for this purpose.

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by dannimal on 08/16/05 at 22:34:50

Probert--- Dont do the dynojet kit!! Rob is right it is a waste of your $$ CASH $$ You can get the jet you want from the parts counter for far less and it will be alot less hassle. Be sure to get the float bowl gasket too in case it gets grunged up in the process to be safe. The jet just screws in/out no drilling is required (except for the removal of the brass air/fuel mixture plug thingy that you'll need to adjust after all is said and done)

If you're after a replacement for your muffler that will go right on with no hassles or mounting issues, see the Jardine I got for sale in THE MARKETPLACE!!!!

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by crocodile on 08/16/05 at 23:19:41

Probert, If you go to rad-shack and pick up a bag of mixed washers (100) $2, pick out 2 #4 's, (there are 4 sizes in the bag) they will replace the white spacer perfectly but at very close to half the thickness of the spacer.

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by dannimal on 08/17/05 at 01:44:04

Wouldn't those washers eventually begin to rust though? I believe those are zinc not stainless steel or brass. Dont get me wrong, I'm no expert by any means but I know those mixed bag of washers have rusted up on other things I have used them on in the past. ???

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by crocodile on 08/17/05 at 09:33:24

You could be right, I don't know, I only know they fit perfectly. I wonder how long it would take to cause a problem in gas. By the way, for you Brits if you see RADIO SHACK mentioned any where, it is the same company as TANDY CORP

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by crocodile on 08/17/05 at 09:48:33

I was just thinking, if I put a couple of those washers in a sealed glass jar with some gas it should give me some idea of what's going on in my carb.

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by bentwheel on 08/17/05 at 09:54:33

Not really a fair test. These washers would be exposed to fuel misting as opposed to immersion.

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by Mr 650 on 08/17/05 at 10:26:33

Read the previous threads!!

crocodile wrote:

Those cheap-a$$ stamped washers are not precision, non-QC , bulk items. Some have "dangling/hanging chads", the O.D.s were all too large on the ones I got and none installed correctly and intefered w/ the needle position.
All previously covered.
If we won't do the research, we are doomed to "quickly" repeat failures of the past. ::)

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by Savage_Rob on 08/17/05 at 11:44:55

Here's an idea: pull the white spacer and take it to your local Ace or True Value Hardware and pick up either a brass or stainless washer that fits the bill.

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by dannimal on 08/18/05 at 01:08:25

YEAH I think Rob has got the right idea here! It makes alot more sense than beating around the bush!! ;D

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by red2k1 on 08/18/05 at 04:55:58

Quote:

Ditto!

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by Probert31 on 08/18/05 at 11:09:18

Thanks for all the advice! Any little things I should know before removing the carb, or is there a specific order to removing parts? Do I need to change the muffler at the same time I do the carb mods or will the stock muffler be fine? I think modifying the muffler is going to take longer then I thought, maybe a new bracket, and I wanted to get the carb done this weekend, since I finally have the time. Anyway, thanks again!

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by Savage_Rob on 08/18/05 at 11:16:11

Do the carb first. I didn't find it necessary to remove it either. I did have to remove the seat and tank though.

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by Reelthing on 08/18/05 at 13:15:23

I hope you have read through the vast postings on the subject - don't forget the shop towel over the starter, stainless allenhead screws, the little ones on the needle plate are #1 phillips, get the diaphram spring in straight, have the slide and bore very clean, and the intake tubes hose clamps tight when your done.

Title: Re: Another "quick" question...
Post by Probert31 on 08/18/05 at 13:23:58

I've read through them, that's what makes me nervous.