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Title: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Tammi on 08/22/05 at 09:36:19 Just thought I'd link to a post in another Suzuki forum about a guy who rode his '97 Savage from Germany to Bulgaria in three days! (That's 400 miles/day... with mountains!) It's an interesting read. And it's proof that there's someone out there who's crazier than Scott58! http://www.suzuki-bikes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2180 P.S. Someone in that thread said that Savages/S40s are more popular in Europe than they are in the States. Is that true? |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by gazab44 on 08/22/05 at 11:18:09 hi tammi they are very popular on the european continent, but not here in the UK, thats one reason i bought one, different. Dont really know how popular they are in the USA so can't answer your original question. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Savage_Rob on 08/22/05 at 11:49:28 Tammi wrote:
Heh, interesting. Wonder what's up with that OldGeezer dude... |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by shawn_b on 08/22/05 at 11:56:48 i went to my local dealer and they said they sell out there savages the first day they hit the floor this is in batavia ohio also a woman i work with her boyfriend just bought one for someone he had over 200 call for the bike with in 3 day so i guess there ok in ohio :o shawn |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Deb on 08/22/05 at 13:24:37 shawn_b wrote:
About the same here In Tennessee sales as soon as they get one is what I was told. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by WD on 08/22/05 at 15:28:42 I checked into it. When I bought mine in 1998, the dealer told me that Suzuki allowed 3 new ones per dealership, per year. When those sold out, find a dealer with one left or sell the customer a different bike. He had 3 new ones, 5 overstock from the year before, and several used ones on the floor when I found mine. He'd brought them in from TN, MS, AL, and LA. They were all sold by close of business the day I picked mine up. Something about the wheelie I pulled might have contributed to that... ::) -WD And when I lived in Spain in 1995/6, small bikes were the rage. HDs were coming on strong, so were Triumphs, but thumpers ruled the roost. Crooked little Roman Empire era roads, high fuel costs, and litre plus displacement bikes don't mix very well. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by babbalou on 08/22/05 at 19:04:21 I looked at Bert's site (their forum is still down) but the LS650 owner's link shows LOTS of members from Europe, Germany in particular. I've seen one or two Savages around the Dallas area. Surprised I haven't seen more here. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Savage_Rob on 08/22/05 at 21:42:07 babbalou wrote:
I think there are more of us here than are on Bert's listing. I'm on it though. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Karen627 on 08/23/05 at 01:50:52 Tammi wrote:
And he's gonna walk funny for the rest of his life. :D |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by lancer on 08/23/05 at 08:35:35 Several weeks back I read an article in some magazine...do not remember which one... about this guy who had just set a record for a timed ride from Alaska to Florida (at least I think it was Florida). I was thinking that if I...we...someone could make that ride on a Savage and set a new record for the thing, that it would be great PR for the Savage. I know that the Savage would be a very good bike to make this type of run on because of it's reliability. Start out with a new set or really good tires and everything checked out, a few spare parts/tools and take off. Maybe do the Marauder tank swap for the extended range...that could be useful in some of the more sparse areas of the country. Anyway, this could be a great ride........talk about an IRON BUTT RIDE!!! Does anyone else know of this particular race? Any details of when, how, who to contact, etc? |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Paladin on 08/23/05 at 22:09:35 http://www.ironbutt.com/ridecerts/ultimate.gif 31 certified riders. 12 rode in a group in June of '04 -- 4 of those 12 were on Kawasaki KLR650's. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Tammi on 08/24/05 at 06:08:38 I saw a piccie in today's local fish wrap of a guy who did the Alaska to Florida thing on a bicycle. :o |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by PerrydaSavage on 08/24/05 at 14:56:34 There was an article in an m/c magazine last year (name of which escapes me ... I loaned the mag to a "pal" and I never got it back ...) that did an article by a dude who rode a '98 Savage through northern British Columbia and southern Alaska over a period of 3 days. No problems and he felt that the LS was more than up to the task! |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by sluggo on 08/24/05 at 17:46:16 would everybody please be quiet about what a great little machine we have, :o next thing ya know everybody will want one, there will be a bunch of "clones", then i'll have to find something new. ;D now shsssss. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Paladin on 08/24/05 at 18:45:47 Not to fear. Most people have a need to pose for their "friends" and would never dream of being caught on an inexpensive single cylinder bike no matter how good it is. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by WD on 08/24/05 at 20:24:08 Even if I'd kept mine, I'd have had to quit riding it. Draws too much attention. And, unfortunately, the LS/S40 has been "discovered". See an awful lot of them on the roads in the Puget Sound Basin. Yet one more reason I'm fixing up the old Yamaha. Don't see very many dual sports on the road, yet. I'm sure as soon as mine is back on the road, I'll see dual sports everywhere... >:( -WD |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/25/05 at 03:27:51 Hey WD Do You not fancy going the supermoto route, You know 17" wheels and tires and a big disc up front. Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Savage_Rob on 08/25/05 at 06:41:24 klx650sm2002 wrote:
That actually sounds kinda cool. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by lancer on 08/25/05 at 10:09:59 I would kind of like a set of wheels off of a Buell, they have a nice brake up front and a disc on the back. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by WD on 08/25/05 at 10:27:50 Why would I want to downgrade from a 21 to a 17? Maybe downgrade the rear from 18 to 15 or 14 for more of a traditional to me rim sizing difference... But since this bike was aquired as a project for the Scout troop as well as for me, need to let the wrenchers, junior grade, in on the decision making. But the plan is to basically turn it into a truly multi purpose bike. If it's getting used for Scouts, needs to be search and rescue, wildfire suppression, off highway goofing around, light commuting, and easy access mechanical teaching capable. For my uses, minimal off highway with commuting capabilities is fine. And doing an Iron Butt Run on a dual sport could be fun... probably less painful than on a stock LS seat at any rate. -WD |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Kaishaku on 08/25/05 at 19:17:23 Well, it is a Suzuki Savage forum...... |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by DavidV on 08/25/05 at 20:03:33 RR - Believe it or not, plenty of us are happy with our bikes. Mine runs hard all day (I did 200 miles today), and never backfires anymore. It just needed some simple carb tuning to make it right. The Sportster muffler didn't hurt, either. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/26/05 at 03:08:35 My 17" front (dunlop GPR 70 SP) is much stickier than any 21" front so going from a 21 to a 17 would be an upgrade. Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Paladin on 08/26/05 at 06:50:39 Kaishaku wrote:
If I were not happy with my Savage I would not have her. Same with my motorcycle. And most likely would then hang out on a forum supporting whatever motorcycle I was riding. Why would I waste my time complaining about something that I could easily correct? |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by lancer on 08/26/05 at 07:24:45 Hi there Roughrider, TOP OF THE MORNIN TO YA DUDE! |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by WD on 08/26/05 at 10:44:47 I'm working on my goal of a different bike for every day of the week. My stepson is trying to go in the Coast Guard, so I'm likely to get the Savage back. My wife has an 800 Intruder that she loves. I've got an old Yamaha to play with. Buying another bike of some kind this fall to actually ride while I'm rebuilding the Yami. Maybe a BMW, maybe a Honda, maybe even another Savage, since I found someone who can stretch the frame for me. Maybe a rigid HD, since I can get sprung solo seats fairly inexpensively. But only if I can find a dirt cheap basketcase. I've done Iron Butt class runs twice. On rigid antique American V-twins. 1936 Harley Knucklehead EL (61 inch engine), 2 day run from Seattle Wa area to Tiajuana Mexico. 1938 Indian Chief, day and a half run from Pullman Wa area to Sturgis SD. Those were the days... that make me wish I'd had a suspension bike. >:( -WD |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by roughrider on 08/26/05 at 18:46:58 And good day to you lancer! |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by roughrider on 08/26/05 at 21:39:19 DAVIDV . I WONDER HOW YOU CAN PUT 200 MILES ON THAT STYLE OF BIKE WITH OUT GETTING IT TO HOT? THE MORE YOU RIDE AN AIR COOLED BIKE THE NOISIER IT GETS DUE TO THE HEAT EXPANSION OF THE MOTOR. IT ALSO EFFECTS THE CLEARANCE OF ALL THOSE MOVING PARTS AND WEARS THE PARTS OUT SOONER. EVER WONDER WHAT THAT PINGING SOUND IS AFTER A LONG RIDE? Sounds like a bucket of bolts,right? One of these days that poor bike of yours is going to SEIZE UP WITH YOU ON IT. HOPE YOU CAN GET IT STOPPED IN TIME |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by DavidV on 08/26/05 at 21:54:51 Nope, it ran just fine. Bucket of bolts noises? Not here. No pinging, or any other odd noises. It didn't overheat. Of course, my bike isn't running lean, so that makes a difference. The ticking noise at the end of the ride is the exhaust pipe. The thinnest material will cool off fastest, and tick a little when it shrinks. It's no big deal. You're making up that bit about my engine seizing. The only way to seize it would be to run it out of oil. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Paladin on 08/27/05 at 08:45:15 roughrider wrote:
Seven Savages have been certified by the Iron Butt Association as having covered over 1000 miles in less than 24 hours. This forum has a pile of riders in the Sun Belt who ride long distances with no overheating problems. Anyone who is telling you that the Savage is not capable of long distance high speed commuting is a liar. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by lancer on 08/27/05 at 09:20:40 I have yet to ride an "Iron Butt" event so I do not have the long range experience, but I sure can attest to the durability of the Savage under hard riding conditions. I ride hard and fast, cruising at 80-85 mph frequently with hard acceleration most of the time unless there are children/animals present, and my modifed Savage just loves it. The only noise I hear is the sweet purr...eh...roar of a well tuned engine...soon to be even more well tuned with the addition of a custom built exhaust system. I have the pipe for a new 1 3/4" header plus a new upswept Supertrapp that will be welded to the header. All black of course. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/27/05 at 09:43:05 Hey Lancer Is the 1.75"header an i.d. or an o.d.. KLX has a 1.75 o.d. 1 5/8" i.d. 2x37mm inlet valves and 2x32 exhaust valves. Any bigger carb (FCR41) or pipe would require some serious port work. Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Greg_650 on 08/27/05 at 10:16:47 roughrider wrote:
Sounds like a bunch of misconceptions here. First, let's remember that air cooled engines were here long before liquid cooled and in that period engineering designs improved the engines quite a bit. It's been a long time since valve rockers had to be oiled manually or had external adjustments. All engine parts are designed for temperature changes. That is why some parts are aluminum and others steel. They are designed to allow for expansion in relating parts (valves stems and rockers for example) as well. Liquid cooling does control the expansion of materials by making things consistent, but this doesn't mean that a properly maintained air cooled engine can not be just as reliable. Just look at how long BMW produced air cooled twins capable of 100,000 miles use. Remember too, that a "water jacket" around an engine is also sound insulation. You won't hear internal noises as easily as those resonating through cooling fins. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by mrbusdriver on 08/27/05 at 10:25:29 1300 miles...IronButt...wow! Riding long distance on a bigger bike is one thing, on a Savage...no small feat! I am very impressed (being a newbie commuter, make that doubly so!) I look forward to getting the experience to try something like that. I like my Savage too...it's been a perfectly mannered starter bike for me, and here at 6500 feet in Colorado, the "lean" setup works perfectly in the thinner air. No complaints. I'll probably go to a thicker summer synthetic oil as the shifting is clunky at times (15W40 currently) and the engine runs warm (I am only guessing here...) That's my only "gripe"...I doubt I'd come here if all folks did was bad mouth the little beast...would be kinda strange on a site of Savage afficianados... She's a fine ride...a keeper in my book....and getting better each time out. Dave, 03 Savage (stock)...1300 miles and counting. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by rkutzner on 08/27/05 at 18:01:12 No Suzuki employee here 8). In fact, this is the FIRST non-American street vehicle that this 40 year old American Jarhead has ever owned. $3995 plus tax/tags/title and K&N filter, a back rest (hey, after humping 40 pound packs in the Marines, my back ain't what it used to be) and a 152.5 main and I'm scootin' around. Do all my servicing myself. Two valve lash checks, the second one in about 45 minutes! Know what I like about my bike? It scoots fast enough and leans far enough for a 40 year old father of 2 and husband of one. I have less than $4500 total in my 2005 S40. including taxes/tag/title, I can do anything and everything it will ever need, and can pick it up off the ground myself (practiced in the yard). And around a hundred a year for full insurance. No pinging, ticking or other weird noises. Belt drive is SWEEEEEET. And I can modify this bike easy...thinking side draft K&N next... ;D Now all my friends...they get a pipe and pay big bucks for rejetting and carb balancing....they pay big bucks for maintenance and valve checks.....ever known someone with a sport bike....they pay more in 50000 miles for all this stuff than I will on my whole bike! You know the difference between rocker adjustments and "bucket over shim"? If you don't, you don't ever want too. And they pay more for insurance than our 'bottom of the stolen list' bike.... If you are someone who doesn't want to play with your bike or learn how, and like to bolt on lots of goodies instead of engineering them yourself...then this bike may not be for you...but that doesn't make it a bad bike. ;) |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Paladin on 08/27/05 at 20:00:37 rkutzner wrote:
I'm not particularly interested in adjusting and changing thingies inside the carb. Took me three hours just to mount my saddlebags. I make $30/hr in my spare time poking other peoples' computers -- I'll let someone make a few bucks poking at my bike. I'm an ex- enduro rider, and my last bike purchased before the Savage was an under 200 pound Honda TLR200. My primary requirement for a street bike was that it had to be under 400 pounds. Second requirement was that I would be allowed to sit normal on it (I will not ride bent over with my legs tucked up and back, nor will I sit at a light tippytoe on a new dual purpose.) 250cc minimum for California street use, 400cc minimum if I wish to run the freeways. Third, late model so I can easily find someone to work on it. What are my choices? The Savage meets my requirements perfectly. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by PAPA_THUMP on 08/27/05 at 21:20:06 IF THE SAVAGE WASN'T A GREAT BIKE... WHY DID I BUY 3 OF THEM !!!??? ??? ::) ::) :P |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by shawn_b on 08/27/05 at 23:21:09 pa pa you have to watch of for our biploar friend one min.he hate the savage next min. he loves the savage ::) ??? ::) oh well i still can't belive he is still around ??? ??? ??? after the stunt he pulled shawn |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Paladin on 08/28/05 at 07:03:19 mrbusdriver wrote:
My feeling toward the large full fairing luxery touring bikes is "why bother?" You get a motorcycle and then you get rid of the vibrations and the wind -- and you end up with a two-wheel convertable car that is hard to set back upright if it falls over. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Greg_650 on 08/28/05 at 07:40:47 PAPA_THUMP wrote:
Why do we have 2 of them? ;D |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Paladin on 08/28/05 at 08:06:56 Greg_650 wrote:
Because neither of you were willing to ride pillion! ;) |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by lancer on 08/28/05 at 08:20:33 klx650sm2002 wrote:
I am using the 1 3/4" OD // 1 5/8" ID pipe. The 1 3/4"OD header will be 30" long, with a 2-3" adapter piece to fit with the 2" ID of the Supertrapp, which has 12" of the 2" ID pipe, and then the megaphone portion which is 15 1/2" long and is 2 1/2" OD to 4" OD on each end. That gives me a total of 58-60" of exhaust system. This Supertrapp has 8 discs to work with. It is virtually identical to the other megaphones I put up for sale, except that it is slightly smaller overall. It is possible that I may shorten the 1 3/4" header or the 2" pipe on the muffler to get it to fit...probably the 2"...I would rather cut that area than the header. The intake port on the Savage engine is 43mm ID. I have read/heard that it is best to match that ID with the ID of the carb to be put on it. A 43mm carb on the Savage seems a bit of an overkill, so what I am considering doing is to take a 40mm Edelbrock carb and machine the ID to match the 43mm ID of the engine. This should help to provide a smooth intake track for the fuel/air mixture. It is kind of hard to get stuff done now with having to care for my wife after the surgury, but she is doing well considering how badly she was hurt. In a couple of days I will try to start the fabrication....besides, I have some new toys...a new mig welder and diamond blade saw for cutting metal and tile. It would just be WRONG to let those sit too long without useing them. It will look something like this. http://images.snapfish.com/3448487923232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E232%3B%3D72%3A%3D788%3DXROQDF%3E2323%3A7284%3B9%3C%3Bot1lsi |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by PAPA_THUMP on 08/28/05 at 08:26:13 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D` Actually, I have owned 3 new SAVAGES at different times: 1992, 1996, 2002. I keep coming back to it because I love thumpers. I have owned aprox 23 bikes (all I can remember!) over the years from a ZUNDAP scooter to an H-D. but the thumper is a real bike. what MR. P says is true- a honda gold wing is really a convertible car. Since my wife can't ride (back surgery) I think a big thumper is the answer. All my trips (long and short) are on back roads- the only way to travel !! ;D |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Greg_650 on 08/28/05 at 09:17:13 Paladin wrote:
That's part of it.... |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by klx650sm2002 on 08/29/05 at 04:39:59 Hey Lancer Certainly wouldn't go any bigger than a 40mm carb on a Savage (45 on KLX). Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by lancer on 08/29/05 at 06:41:37 Yep, I have a 40mm Edelbrock Quicksilver waiting to go on...hopefully today. I am getting ready to go out and start the fab work on the new header, and will install the Q/S after that is done. I am really anxcious to get this done, with the new header, Supertrapp and Q/S carb I should see a pretty good boost in power. |
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Title: Re: 1,300 mile trip on a Savage! Post by Cindi Knox on 09/05/05 at 02:41:54 Paladin wrote:
Seven now? wow! that's very cool. Just checked - it's up to EIGHT of us now! YAY! |
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