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Message started by jbird on 08/28/05 at 09:50:39

Title: riden the storm out
Post by jbird on 08/28/05 at 09:50:39

well the winds are picking up just put the[ bike in the house{ looking at winds at crib 90mph gusts 130mph and i live 90 miles inland which aint diddly with this storm suppose to start seein effects by dark today I survived CAmille in 69 so we will see what KATRINA has to offer Always the good side wont have to work tommorrow sit on the front porch and watch the wind

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Greg_650 on 08/28/05 at 10:43:58

Just finished looking at the weather map. That's a pretty mean storm. Hope that you have emergency stuff like candles, water etc.

Good luck.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by lancer on 08/28/05 at 10:57:01

Man, you better be AT LEAST 100' ABOVE SEA LEVEL...or you may very well find yourself under water and/or isolated. There was a weather guy who was around for Camille as well and he said most of the bodies found inland had died of snake bites...not much dry land left and the snakes and humans were fighting over what there was of it...the humans lost...THINK THIS OVER VERY CAREFULLY. OK?

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by gazab44 on 08/28/05 at 11:49:32

hang in there and good luck

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Ed_L. on 08/28/05 at 12:21:28

Luck with the storm, it's a biggie
Ed L.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by PerrydaSavage on 08/28/05 at 14:08:02

It was only yesterday that the local news media was reporting that Katrina might be down-graded to a tropical storm ... guess they were wrong ... a Cat-5 is serious ... please get to a safe haven ... my thoughts and prayers are with you ...

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by mrbusdriver on 08/28/05 at 16:42:47

It's like the comedian Ron White says..

"It's not THAT the wind blows...it's WHAT the wind blows"...and then the storm surge kills many more than the wind.
Y'all be careful down there...
dave

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by threezukes on 08/28/05 at 17:26:35

I just saw news of that storm here in Japan. Everything ok?

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Spartan71 on 08/29/05 at 10:46:39

Hold on to something solid. Best of luck down there. We expect to see a lot of the rain in a couple of days up here in MI.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 08/29/05 at 11:56:48

God bless take care all 8)

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by shawn_b on 08/29/05 at 18:28:41

the only bad thing about this storm is that it is on it way hear to ohio and bird hunting season starts thursday :-[ :'( and i start vac.on wed. and am going to new york on friday i will be in :'(

shawn

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by bob jones on 08/30/05 at 16:52:50

lost lives and a lost new orleans is pretty bad
hope everyone who lives down there is dry and safe

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Greg_650 on 09/01/05 at 06:43:01

Well, we all know what happened when Katrina came inland, and it looks like Jbird hasn't been back online since then.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Suzuki_Sam on 09/01/05 at 08:04:50

Greg_650 wrote:

Well, we all know what happened when Katrina came inland, and it looks like Jbird hasn't been back online since then.

I noticed that too. From the way the news looks, it might be awhile before anyone finds anything out also. :-/

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Greg_650 on 09/01/05 at 08:07:56

Need to donate money to the cause, I believe.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Suzuki_Sam on 09/01/05 at 08:12:52

Yeah. And there are sooooo many homeless people now because of this. It would be great if hotels not being used this time of year could accommodate some of these families until they can re-establish themselves. I heard people are even opening their homes willingly to those in need.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Greg_650 on 09/01/05 at 09:43:04

Suzuki_Sam wrote:

I'm doing some research on the disaster situation on the gulf coast. Donations can be made online through these 2 organizations, if anyone is interested.

Salvation Army (http://www1.salvationarmy.org/)

The Red Cross (http://www.redcross.org/)

The servers are very busy so you need to be patient.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by ethan on 09/01/05 at 11:11:25

A lot of organizations are taking cash donations. Every little bit helps for people who now have absolutely nothing, not even clean water or food.
Here is a link of organizations taking donations
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18473
the red cross online donation is not working and their phone line is very busy. I donated to America’s Second Harvest online very easy.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Greg_650 on 09/01/05 at 11:59:51

The Salvation Army site states that a $100 donation will provide one family with enough food, water, and household supplies for 2 days....for example.

I think that my overtime money in this weeks check is going there.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Tony on 09/01/05 at 13:59:02

I just got word that my company is sending employees down for disaster recovery to try and re establish some form of communications. One of the guys i work with leaves on sunday and I am scheduled to leave a week from then. They are shifting us in and out on rotation so know one person gets to overwhelmed. Part of me is looking forward to providing the assist, the other part is scared as hell. This was voluntary. How could I not volunteer? I realize no matter how much we do, it wont be enough.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Greg_650 on 09/01/05 at 15:48:32

Tony wrote:

It won't be fun, but it has to be done. You knew that and you volunteered. That's all that has to be said. You're a good man.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Suzuki_Sam on 09/01/05 at 22:19:27

We will be waiting here keeping you in our thoughts.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by gazab44 on 09/01/05 at 23:13:27

I cannot believe that the images I am seeing are from the richest country in the world, they look like a third world African country....all those thousands of desperate, starving, homesless human beings, dead bodies, people dying in the streets and now the law-lessness.
Dont want to sound off politically, but it only took 2 days for aid to reach the tsunami hit countries..what is going on Mr Bush?
Have made my little donation...lots of littles = alot....so I hope it helps and soon.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Karen627 on 09/02/05 at 05:37:30

Hmm... still no word from jbird -- but then, that could be the lack of power.

Tony, best of luck to you. Be safe.

The whole thing is so sad. And I also don't want to start a political fight, but then I don't know that it's a political issue -- the storm was predicted, and so were the effects. There should have been resources ready to go as soon as the storm passed. America really should have done better.

Gonna go kick in some more money now.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Greg_650 on 09/02/05 at 08:41:01

Let's not be too quick to politicize this issue. Things haven't been done correctly in a few ways, and maybe there was some foot dragging initially. But part of the problem here is our own arrogance and confidence....we under-estimated the effect of a category 5 storm hitting an area that is (stupidly) under sea level to begin with. The people were told to evacuate, but that was only possible for people with the means to do so. Those that normally rely on public transportation were the ones left behind....and they should have been bussed away before the storm hit. Now, it is all hind-sight which is always a real b_i_t_c_h.

Being prepared? Part of my old Boy Scout motto. I remember 9-11 and the warnings that we (the people) should be prepared? Homeland security told us to stockpile food and goods, duct tape, blankets, etc. Remember all that? We did. We had coolers of food and water stored away for a couple years as they warned us to do. But over time, Jules and I slowly emptied our "emergency supplies" to where we have none, now. It just seemed less important as time went on....and that sense of false security is what caused this situation in New Orleans....no one was prepared for what could happen, both on an individual basis and a government level.

It is always easiest to point fingers after something happens, and certainly no one expected that relief helicopters with volunteers would be getting shot at by idiots with weapons. There was a National guard soldier that struggled with someone over his weapon and he got shot in the leg. There were shots fired at police officers, too. In a loose comparison. anyone ever seen the movie "Escape from L.A."? It's a dumb movie, that might actually contain an element of realism...

We are just a lazy species that prefers being reactive to being proactive. Let's make our donations, learn something from this, and then make our government (and ourselves) be better prepared for the next disaster. There will be one....

Let's just hope that Jbird simply got out of town, and hasn't been able to log in yet. Hopefully his bike is okay too.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by RadarORiley on 09/02/05 at 08:43:51

Actually, I think aid was on the way before the levy broke. Which, in fact, was not G.W.'s fault. I know from my own experience that if you can't get out, help can't get to you. I think it's unfair to start pointing fingers.
No one expected the flooding in New Orleans, but the responsibility belongs to the Government of Louisiana, they have allowed the building & growth in the city knowing it was a recipe for disaster. Responsibility also needs to go to the ones who were told to leave & chose to defy the orders.This said, I am doing what I can to allieviate the suffering. Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Greg_650 on 09/02/05 at 09:13:51

RadarORiley wrote:

Well, personally, I feel that we, the people, should make the government do what is needed. It isn't really the fault of government that a city was built below sea level. It is the people's fault. The people allowed it. After all, how many of us would knowingly build a house at the base of a dam? Then why didn't people have more concern about their levies? The news has remembered hurricane Camille in 1969 (I was a sailor in Pensacola, Fla. then), and I remember helping with some of that clean up. How come 35 years have passed and the levies were never strengthened?

I happen to think that not enough people are ever willing to get on a soap box. If people don't speak out, then our government is exactly what we deserve.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by gazab44 on 09/02/05 at 09:30:04

According to one report, on UK news, the national guard had stated that some of the levies had sunken but their wasn't the funds to repair them....

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by lancer on 09/02/05 at 14:06:27

" the storm was predicted, and so were the effects. There should have been resources ready to go as soon as the storm passed. America really should have done better."
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It was known that the storm was coming, of course, but the VASTNESS OF THE DISTRUCTION could not be known. We never know for sure what will happen. So many times a storm starts coming and at the last minute before in comes ashore it disipates and the damage is relatively small.
Only God knows what the ultimate result will be. All we can do is try to prepare, and when we fall short, to make adjustments for our shortcomings and then go on. All the while helping as best as we can those who have been hurt.
There has been some negative talk about the Federal gov'ts slow response to this terrible disaster...just keep in mind that the area involved is over 90,000 square miles...that is more than the ENTIRE STATE OF IDAHO. Does anyone really believe that ANY gov't can cover that kind of land mass with security and relief in less that 96 hours???? And at the same time a huge part of that area is STILL UNDER WATER??? Anyone who thinks that is unrealistic is living in the "twilight zone".

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Greg_650 on 09/02/05 at 14:19:40

lancer wrote:

Very correct. To have had a faster response would have required more preparation, but in what way? 5 days for a proper response is reasonably fast considering the beauracracy that needed to get things organized....and as you mention, a great issue in this disaster is in the water. Those people wouldn't have been in nearly as dire a situation if the levy hadn't broken. Without the flooding, they could have walked out of a dead town.

On the flip side, just think about the political uproar if all the necessary resources had been mobilized needlessly. Whoa. Then there would have been complaints about unnecessary government spending.

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Post by Ed_L. on 09/02/05 at 16:27:53

From the way I understand it the funds that were earmarked for studies and improvements of the levies under FEMA were sent to the Department of Homeland Security. That happened when FEMA was reassigned as a branch of Homeland Security instead of standing apart to respond to natural disasters. FEMA was created to respond to natural disasters but Bush changed it's primary purpose into a reponse agency for terrorist attacks. It seems that our government keeps reacting retroactive for emergencies, instead of proactive with a plan to help prevent the suffering in the aftermath of a diaster of this size. I do hope that jbird and his Savage made it through the storm, Ride Safe

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by mikedasavage on 09/03/05 at 08:04:37

Unfortunately if he is ok i everything is down in town and if he got somewhere i'm sure the last thing on his mind is logging into the board. I hope he is allright.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by bob jones on 09/03/05 at 17:05:52

i have to agree with whoever posted about the louisiana government and the responsibilty it holds. the news people stated in great detail for several days before the storm hit that all this could happen. it is true that so many of the affected people didn't have the means to evacuate when told to do so, therefore i again go back to the local government who should have had a plan to evacuate the people who couldn't go on their own. before the storm hit not after. i guess it really bothers me that they knew in great detail what would happen, they knew the levie system was not good above a catagory 3 storm, and they knew that a great percentage of the population didn't have the means to evacuate on demand and so again i say the local government should have had a better plan in place and should have evacuated them before the storm hit.

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by Karen627 on 09/05/05 at 12:20:27

lancer wrote:

There has been some negative talk about the Federal gov'ts slow response to this terrible disaster...just keep in mind that the area involved is over 90,000 square miles...that is more than the ENTIRE STATE OF IDAHO. Does anyone really believe that ANY gov't can cover that kind of land mass with security and relief in less that 96 hours???? And at the same time a huge part of that area is STILL UNDER WATER??? Anyone who thinks that is unrealistic is living in the "twilight zone".

It's understandable -- it's hard to drive trucks full of food and water to people when the streets are under ten feet of water.

But it's only one part of the affected area. For example, a huge part of Mississippi isn't under water, and from what I've been reading, they were complaining about the slow response also. Why the delay in food drops there?

As far as New Orleans, yeah, I don't understand how the local authorities came up with an evacuation plan that didn't take into account something like 20% of the population. But I also don't understand why the military was ready to do food drops almost immediately, and were just awaiting the word from FEMA -- and the word never came.

It's not unrealistic or twilight zone to wonder why it took a couple of days for the feds to even start trying. I just feel that everyone involved should be held accountable, whether they're state, local or federal.

(Having said that, Lancer, I hope all is well -- how's your wife doing? :) )

Title: Re: riden the storm out
Post by lancer on 09/05/05 at 19:40:32

When watching the news on this past Saturday, when the storm was gaining strength...turning into a Cat 5, the mayor of New Orleans was telling the people that there was a manditory evacuation and that if they did not have transportation to report to specified locations throughout the city, where buses would take them out of the city.

Today, a report on a news channel was about the rescue teams trying to get people to leave their homes, in the midst of all the contaminated water, many of them still did not want to leave...did not want to accept that the city is detroyed and will not be inhabitable for a long time...even when told if they stayed they would get sick and maybe die...some still had to be made to leave.

Some who went through the storm were not able to get out in time for sure, for various reasons, but many simply refused to go...it is not rational...but it happened.