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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Dont race a 250! /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1126188022 Message started by torque on 09/08/05 at 07:00:22 |
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Title: Dont race a 250! Post by torque on 09/08/05 at 07:00:22 If u want to keep your dignity,dont ever think the savage can beat a kawasaki ninja 250 in a drag race. anyway i was out riding yesterday when i pulled up to a red light anouther motorcycle pulled up next to me,i glanced over ,and he asked me if i wanted to race,ilooked at his bike and saw it was a ninja 250,i thought ive got 650cc i should be able to take him!when the light turned green we both nailed it,i pulled in front for not more than 2 seconds,before he blew past me! and he was about a mile ahead when i saw him next! so i went home(pi$sed off) and looked the ninja 250 up it has the same horsepower and torque as the savage,the top speed is 106,but what really got me is the price$2.999 brand new!thats for a dohc, liquid cooled,14k rpm bike and it wieghs 300lbs. thats $1.000,less than the savage and its a 250 so the gas milege is great |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by mikedasavage on 09/08/05 at 10:05:33 Its still a crotch rocket and your savage is still a cruiser. Das da difference |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by savage777 on 09/08/05 at 10:09:08 ya but come on the 250 ninja is a freakin toy. those things are tiny! the savage is definately not a fast bike by any means but it can at least get out of its own way. a bike like that is set up totally different ie. gearing power curve etc. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by torque on 09/08/05 at 10:25:22 im not saying id go out and buy one!,but its a good deal for what it is,and how good it runs.the darn thing sounded like it was going to blow up ,i could have kept up if the savage had a 6th gear(which would kick a$$) but it dosnt? I'll stick with my bobber! |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by Jim_R on 09/08/05 at 11:20:54 I once raced an elderly lady on a little rascal and she barely won. I never knew those things could go so fast. But as luck would have it, her wig flew off and hit me in the face. Whos laughing now grandma?? HUH? My friend has a honda 650 dual sport bike and it walks all over my Savage also. I know my bike isnt meant for speed but come on. For a 650 it doesnt preform like one honestly. I think the only thing i can race is mopeds and maybe bicycles haha. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by torque on 09/08/05 at 11:35:09 i beat a schwinn!!! :-[barely |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by Kaishaku on 09/08/05 at 11:49:12 The Ninjette is a great little bike. DOHC, water cooled, dual disc brakes, and, yes, the 36 horsepower and 14,000 rpm redline you experienced ;) It's the same size as the savage, physically. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by vroom1776 on 09/08/05 at 11:57:31 Anyone race an 883 sprotster? I seem to knock them down pretty consistently, as long as the race isn't too long (i.e. stoplight to stoplight or stopsign to stopsign...). |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by Dynobob on 09/08/05 at 11:59:14 torque, your bike sounds pretty stock. Mine was pretty slow until I added a Supertrapp and rejetted. I'm waiting for a Harley Sportster showdown at a traffic light. My bike runs real good ;D |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by torque on 09/08/05 at 12:16:23 no,my bikes not stock in the slightest,straight pipe,160 main,55 pilot,k&n air filter,all the fenders removed,with 100 octane.i just placed 6th place out of 13 bikes in a burnout pit.yes the bike has torque,which is fun,but it has no speed what so ever,but its fine with me because,i had to pay a $370 speeding ticket. the sportster can run laps around the savage trust me. me and my buddy traded bikes on the way back from liquid steel i was on the harley if your not ready it will do a wheelie in 2nd gear,no problem. it has almost double the horsepower and torque.883 that is |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by mikedasavage on 09/08/05 at 12:28:48 I dont know about all that torque. My b-in-law has a stock 883 and i have no problems keeping up there. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by lancer on 09/08/05 at 12:35:41 torque wrote:
Dude, your straight pipe is hurting your power delivery. A sportster muffler would do you better, and a supertrapp would do much better. Put one of those on your Savage and do a good job with the jetting/tuning and you will get much better performance across the board. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by Dynobob on 09/08/05 at 12:38:33 torque wrote:
No it's not. I have noticed the Savage is just a bit lacking on the top end. No doubt due to the porting and cam timing. I think Lancer's addressing those deficiencies. If you shift early, a modded Savage will run quite respectably. I don't think an 883 Harley will pose too many problems. Now a 1200...well duh...2x the displacement. Did you get any pics of your burnouts? :) |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by torque on 09/08/05 at 12:39:42 you might be able to hang with him till about 55 or so after that hes gone.my buddy has a set of aftermarket pipes and velocity stack,but to be the same he'd have rejet too,and his bike already hits 120mph the savage would be one hell of a bike if it had one more gear,it sucks to be on the highway and the speedlimits 70 around here,and the engines turning so fast it'll vibrate your head off.the 883 sounds like put..... ............put................put..............put.................put.........put,and u acctually accelerate when u twist the throttle even at those speeds dont get me wrong i love the savage,and mine is tuned to just about perfect. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by mikedasavage on 09/08/05 at 12:57:41 actually not 50 but 75 -80 thats when he can fly past me i'm in 75-80 in 4th and i have no more gears so i can hit about 90 -95 with out really worrying about it but 1) i dont like too gets too close to redline 2) he has alot more power in his fifth gear and i'm done for but all the way up to about 75 i keep in the race no problems. If we go from stop to stop i beat him every time. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by torque on 09/08/05 at 12:58:31 a straight pipe has more power at higher revs,because the engine needs to breathe more.a supper trap has a little more midrange power.a nd a straight pipe has more torque,thats why race cars and dragsters have straight pipes,not baffles. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by vroom1776 on 09/08/05 at 14:01:05 Torque, Your straight pipe, is it wide open without baffles of any sort? Without any backpressure, I suspect the low end/and or midrange may be a bit doggy. Sure it'll be be better at the top end, but the savage is really a low end bike... so if we're looking for 1/4 mile type stuff, the savage outright sucks, IMHO, but for ripping around town... put a thumbscrew in there to get a little backpressure! I'm running a 17" (14" body) glasspack/cherry bomb with a thumbscrew, 152.5 main, 47.5 pilot, and KN bolted right to the carb and it screams. Yes, I still get killed in the 1/4 mile, though... |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by torque on 09/08/05 at 14:36:28 no baffles,from trial and error ive found it to run best with out them. all i said was that i got beat buy a 250,i dont really care that i did,and yes the the savage will keep up with any cruiser untill high rpms.i did beat him for 2 seconds, thats a while when drag racing,about to 50mph,then after that he cruised by me. the savage is the best around the town bike u can get, it does have a sh!tload of low end torque,theres nothing more fun than peeling out on the bolevard!!! ;D |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by vroom1776 on 09/08/05 at 15:18:11 " the savage is the best around the town bike u can get, it does have a sh!tload of low end torque,theres nothing more fun than peeling out on the bolevard!!! Grin" H#LL YEAH !!! ...though I prefer the wheelie to the burnout! Anyway, not tyring to get your goat or diagnose "problems" with your bike... just uh, I dunno. Maybe I should just keep my mouth (keyboard) shut and get back to work! :-X ...just yakin' |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by torque on 09/08/05 at 15:26:07 i also like the wheelie but i blew my fork seals once,that ended it for me ;D everyone has the right to say what they want,and none of this even slightly botherd me,i like hearing what people have to say,and i like saying what i feel. i love america! |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by babbalou on 09/08/05 at 18:12:01 As quick as those Ninja 250s are, they're probably fairly gutless under 10,000 rpm & need 2 or 3 downshifts to pass anyone. My 650 Nighthawk was fast but I had to ring its neck to get going. The torquey Savage is more satisfying for me to scoot around town on. 8) |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by WD on 09/08/05 at 19:07:04 There's definitely something wrong with your motor. My Savage NEVER lost a stoplight to stoplight battle. 'Course, I wasn't afraid to constantly bounce it off the red line, in each gear. 90mph in third is possible. Not recommended, but possible. My 99 Kawi Vulcan 800A will do 70mph in second, without touching the rev limiter. Sounds awful doing it, but, is actually okay to do every so often. Limiter is set at 8200 or 8700 rpms. -WD |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by DavidV on 09/08/05 at 19:13:51 Since I'm a rookie, I like being able to just jam the throttle open, and have it pull away even if I'm in the wrong gear. Ran through a tight curve yesterday that went into a sharp uphill. It was cool to avoid the shift. On a separate note, does the Savage have a rev limiter? I don't have a tach yet, so I'm a little afraid to really wring it out. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by Kaishaku on 09/08/05 at 19:15:38 babbalou wrote:
Pretty much, the fun starts around 7,000 rpm. But, cruising at 60 mph, you're at 7000 rpm anyhow. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by torque on 09/09/05 at 04:15:42 WD wrote:
o my god we have a super bike in disguise,90mph in third gear,that equals out to 170mph top speed. thats weird becuase the listed top speed is 85,which is kind of weird because i can hit 95 no problem,which is d@mn good for a 5000max rpm bike. but 90 in third is a load of bs if u have a 5 speed.and everybody knows it.thats what there saying anyway yes the bike has good accelleration,thats what its made for,its not made for speed,plain and simple. no limiter. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by Oklahoma_Mike on 09/09/05 at 06:56:36 torque wrote:
If memory serves me the bike he is talking about is a 4 speed 8) |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by okieraider on 09/09/05 at 07:43:11 babbalou wrote:
I have a baby ninja that I use in the twisties and I've ridden it on the highway plenty. You don't have to downshift on the highway to pass anyone, unless they're doing 85 mph plus. You'd be shocked at the looks on my friends faces as I leave them behind on their 600cc+ crotch rockets in the twisties. The Savage is my commute bike, but the baby ninja is my have fun bike. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by torque on 09/09/05 at 08:34:23 okieraider wrote:
you couldnt have said it better,okieRaider somewhere in here i believe wd said it was a 98,which i have, and its a 5 speed, in third gear u can hit 65 if u really rev it but not 90 ,today i just beat the pants off a rebel 250 but they really dont count . |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by slavy on 09/09/05 at 08:34:31 Yes, EX250 es pretty fast for 250 cc bike, but it is still a POS. I am saying this like a mechanic. They suck to work on, especially to adjust the valves. The frame is weak.They have pretty short life, again because of the valves. If You go to Muzzy exhaust and K&N filters, You can make it move pretty good, but we are talking money here plus significant shortening of the already short life. About the gas milage- don't think it is better than the Savage. Anytime when somebody is asking me about buying an entry level croach rocket I recomend to stay away from EX250 and buy EX500 instead- same money , but a real bike. On top of this we are comparing aples and oranges here. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by torque on 09/09/05 at 08:41:55 the 500 costs $6,000,and the 250 costs$3000,and the 600 costs $8.000 brand new, read the report on it a guy drove 14k miles and all he had to do was change the spk plugs.the savage u have to redo the topend.to fix the oil cap leak. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by okieraider on 09/09/05 at 12:24:07 slavy wrote:
If I would have known my 250 was a POS, I would not have bought it 6 yrs ago and put tons of miles on it. With regular maintenance, I have not had one problem with the bike. My brother has had his since 96' and put 40,000 miles on it and it still runs with no prob. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by torque on 09/09/05 at 12:34:21 the ninja is the best bike for the money hands down. i beleive it can get 40.000k miles,u would have to bore out the savage at least once!its one of the best thought out bikes small,fast,reliable,liquid cooled,and i like the guages in the dash too they show everything. |
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Title: Re: Dont race a 250! Post by Kaishaku on 09/09/05 at 15:11:26 I have a Ninjette. I'm not looking forward to doing the valves, and I purchased it with the expectation that it would last no longer than 30,000 miles. ...It's still a great deal. I would have gotten the Ninja 500, but it's twice as much for only 12 hp more. |
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