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Message started by vroom1776 on 09/30/05 at 16:07:44

Title: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by vroom1776 on 09/30/05 at 16:07:44

Hey folks,

Did a 7000 day search on "ceramic"...

...came up with brake pads and a little bit of ceramic paint...

Thinking about getting my header pipe ceramic coated, inside and out as I would like to reduce the engine temp a bit. Does anyone foresee any problems with this, suck as too low an oil pressure? Also, I would then not be afraid to run header wraps, for looks. A major problem with header wraps, to my understanding, is that they can rust the heck out of the header... not good.

Thanks for any input,

K

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by threezukes on 10/02/05 at 04:06:46

How does ceramic coating reduce the engine temp? Does wraping the headers have the same effect?

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by klx650sm2002 on 10/02/05 at 07:05:33

Ceramic coating will keep exhaust gas temp up so the engine will see a shorter header,more revs.

Clive W :D

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by Savage_Rob on 10/02/05 at 14:15:43

klx650sm2002 wrote:

Ceramic coating will keep exhaust gas temp up so the engine will see a shorter header,more revs.

Much the same as the header wrap, but far better looking and lasting.

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by vroom1776 on 10/03/05 at 14:13:01

well, I may be the first to find out, then! I will probably add the header wrap at the same time. I do like the looks of header wrap... a lot! :)

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by Savage_Rob on 10/03/05 at 14:15:25

vroom1776 wrote:

well, I may be the first to find out, then! I will probably add the header wrap at the same time. I do like the looks of header wrap... a lot! :)

If you use the wrap, be sure to get the sealant for it. Otherwise it soaks up water from rain/splashes and steams. When it steams, it stinks. The sealant helps quite a bit but doesn't make it waterproof.

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by vroom1776 on 10/03/05 at 16:18:49

Savage_Rob wrote:

So you're saying I can make my rat smell lousy too? YES! ;)

Thanks for the tip! (seriously)

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by Savage_Rob on 10/03/05 at 21:15:14

vroom1776 wrote:

So you're saying I can make my rat smell lousy too? YES! ;)

Thanks for the tip! (seriously)

Ummm, you're welcome... I guess.

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by PerrydaSavage on 10/04/05 at 03:20:54

Ahhhh Rat Bikes ... they have a charm all their own!! My LS is still relatively new, so for now I wanna keep 'er shiney ... but, when she gets 10 years or so under her belt, I wouldn't have too much aversion to "Rattin' 'er out"!!

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by vroom1776 on 10/04/05 at 07:15:55

Savage_Rob wrote:

Ummm, you're welcome... I guess.

Actually, I did mean that I would use the sealant... so I still mean thanks!

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by lancer on 10/04/05 at 09:43:34

Doesn't "Oklahoma-Mike" work at a place that does all types of plating?

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by patryuji on 10/06/05 at 17:38:29

I've been thinking about getting the entire engine ceramic coated by swaintech:

"Gold coat" for the piston top
"Poly-moly" for the piston skirt
"Thermal barrier coating" for the head, valves, and valve seats [after the head is ported and polished]
and then a good header with header coating.

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by lancer on 10/06/05 at 17:59:53

When I had my cylinder bored and the "silicone carbide treatment" done to the cylinder, I asked about the other services available...especially for the piston, and was told that unless I was building an all-out racing engine it would be a waste of money. It just would not make any significant difference on a street bike.
The silicone carbide treatment was not very expensive and did make a noticeable difference.

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by vroom1776 on 10/07/05 at 05:58:54

Lancer,

I've heard of folks having their cams teflon coated. Specifically, very aggressive, high lift cams on V* 1100s with 11.6 or 12 to 1 HC pistons. Does this make any sense to you?

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by lancer on 10/07/05 at 07:13:42

I have no direct experience with that process or the cost of it. It would seem that with the higher compression ratio the exhaust valve would be under greater heat stress, but is it more than a stock valve can take? I don't know.

With things of this nature you have to find out what the stock parts are made of, how much is the engine really stressed beyond normal, what trick treatments are available...what do they do...how much do they cost...is it really necessary....and what is the cost vs return difference?

That is what I went through with my bike when having the cylinder work done. I was prepared to have all sorts of stuff done at a cost of about $1000. The guy I talked to at Bore-tech was asking questions about what the bike was to be used for, how I rode it, what else was being done to the engine...like cam/carb/exhaust, and what were the results that I was really looking for? After going through all of that he suggested that I just stick with the silicone-carbide cylinder treatment...anything beyond that would be a waste for me and my situation.

The silicone-carbide was cost effective and resulted in extending the engine life (miles), reduced friction and lower engine operating temperature. All very practical things even for a dead stock engine.

I would highly recommend Bore-tech to anyone, they treated me very well, saved me money, and turned the job around in about 10 days.
The same can be said for Web Cams Inc, they did my cam regrind, walked me through the process, did not cost much and did it in less than 2 weeks from when I sent the cam to them.

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by vroom1776 on 10/07/05 at 07:42:15

Lancer,

let me ask you this...

Do you think it would be wise to wait until I need to bore the cylinder out, or just go ahead and hot rod it? I would like to give this bike to my son (Godwilling, 20 or so years from now ;) ).

Thanks!

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by Mr 650 on 10/07/05 at 18:27:21

I guy in Kodak,TN coated mine, still looks great.
If rubbin Blue Away vs. coating = more ride time, that's for me.
http://www.amr-coatings.com/

vroom1776 wrote:

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by lancer on 10/07/05 at 18:41:02

vroom1776 wrote:

If it was mine, it would depend on the milage on the engine and any other wear and tear issue's in the engine. If it is not high milage and runs good I would just leave it. If it is high milage and/or has mechanical problems now or over the horizon then I would go ahead and do the rebuild.

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by vroom1776 on 05/23/06 at 15:14:31

Savage_Rob,

Is this the stuff you used to seal the header wrap w/ ?

http://www.sdpc2000.com/catalog/1296/products/29995/Aluminum-HT-Silicone-Coating.htm

What is it? I'd like to be able to pick it up locally...

Thanks,

V

Title: Re: Ceramic coating the header pipe
Post by Savage_Rob on 05/24/06 at 10:58:43

This (http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=3386&itemType=PRODUCT) is what I used.