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Title: Belt Chirp Post by SouthernMD on 01/22/06 at 16:19:19 Hi All, Here’s one for ya. Yesterday while riding I noticed a chirping sound at low speed. I traced it out to be the belt riding agents the inside wall of the rear drive pulley. Can I chock up the bike so the back wheel is off the ground, start the engine, put the bike in gear, and adjust the rear wheel so the belt rides the center of the pulley? The index marks for the rear axel are at the same mark on both sides. Does this mean there’s some other problem? Any input would be greatly appreciated. SOMD |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by sluggo on 01/22/06 at 16:40:32 actually, it is a common sound. on mine it happens when damp out. like my wife i just tune it out. ;D do a site seach for sqeaky belt, that should bring up the past threads set the results to the highest number to get better results. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by SouthernMD on 01/22/06 at 16:49:29 Thanks Sluggo. When it happens can I hit it with a little belt spray to quiet it? |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by sluggo on 01/22/06 at 17:33:11 SouthernMD wrote:
dunno, never tried it.. will it work on the wife ;D |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by SouthernMD on 01/22/06 at 17:38:28 I just tried it on mine. It didn't work. I'll try the belt tomorrow |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Reelthing on 01/22/06 at 18:35:32 nada - should not put any thing on the belts - maybe a little too tight as well |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by SouthernMD on 01/23/06 at 01:25:45 Thanks Reelthing, gotchya nothing on the belt. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Greg_650 on 01/23/06 at 12:21:27 If you'll reach down there and push pull on the pulley, you'll see that there is play at the pulley because it drives the wheel with rubber bushings. It isn't directly attached to the wheel, therefore aligning the wheel doesn't necessarily mean anything. ...and actually if you raise the rear wheel up and spin the tire, you'll see that the belt will wander side to side inside the pulley anyway. What causes that chirping sound with a dry belt is too much tension. Back off both adjusters equally until you can twist the belt 90 degrees on the lower side. Tighten her her up, and the chirp will be gone. Oh, and please don't spin the tire with the engine, unless you're gonna post photos 8) |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by SouthernMD on 01/23/06 at 14:24:40 Thanks Greg I’ve read a lot of your replies to posts and for my money if you say it’s so I’ll bet on it. From your other comment I’m guessing spinning the back tire with it blocked up off the ground is not a good idea. I have to ask why ???? There was a second issue I found on my ride last Saturday. I could not get the bike to go into 5th gear until I got up to about 70 mph. Does this mean my clutch needs adjusting? Thanks for the advice SOMD |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Greg_650 on 01/24/06 at 06:46:51 SouthernMD wrote:
Thanks, but I really just pass on my own mistakes. Quote:
Once again, read above :) ....a bike tire is not perfectly balanced, nor with a belt or chain is it exactly free of backlash. If you block it up and run the bike, the rear tire will jerk and bounce very hard. The reason being that it won't have a load or any resistance to the engine. The engine will spin really free That is a recipe for the bike coming off the blocks while you are sitting there looking at the tire spin. I've done that, except for the "coming off the blocks" part. Just not a secure situation. Block it up and spin it by hand. That works just as well. Quote:
I'm not sure. A clutch issue is likely to give you trouble in all gears not just 5th. Once again from my experience....Has anyone ever made a habit of shifting the bike without the clutch? |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Greg_650 on 01/24/06 at 06:53:06 Oh and by the way...I once had a belief in using the Savage belt tension gauge (if you have it). It takes some tinkering and experimentation, but it works. Just a bit tedious since you can't spin the tire with it in place.....check, remove, adjust, spin tire, reinstall, check, adjust, spin tire, reinstall....on and on. Therefore I admit that I adopted the 90 degree rule at the suggestion of member Kropachek. It is much faster and simpler. He gets the credit. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Kropatchek on 01/24/06 at 07:51:27 Greg_650 wrote:
Thank you. 8) Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Greg_650 on 01/24/06 at 08:11:35 Kropatchek wrote:
And one of these days, I might be able to spell your name right, too? :P |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by bburson853 on 01/24/06 at 08:40:29 Rub edges of belt with bar of Ivory soap -- noise will go away and if mis-alignment not bad will stay away for a very long time. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by RadarORiley on 01/24/06 at 12:51:55 Greg, I often shift with out the clutch. It's a habit of many years. Was taught that by Dad and how to listen for the right sound before you shift. Find myself doing it without thinking. I also gear it down instead of braking, but I need to change that habit, it doesn't give the guy following me a clue that I'm slowing down. There was a picture of a couple in a wreck in our local paper recently. The wife plowed into husband when he stopped in front of her. Had to tow both bikes off. Would hate for that to happen to me. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by sluggo on 01/24/06 at 13:26:55 i too am a no clutch shifter and have no difficulities. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by SouthernMD on 01/24/06 at 15:56:44 Hay Greg thanks for the great info. I’ve just started riding and have a lot to learn. I checked the belt and it will twist 90 deg. but no farther so I believe it’s adjusted right. bburson853 I forgot about that method of quieting a squeaky belt. I've done that on several car fan belts over the years. Paraffin wax also works. RadarORiley and sluggo that’s what it feels like when it does go into gear, speed shifting. Thanks for all the input everyone and if anyone else has any ideas please chime in. SOMD |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Greg_650 on 01/24/06 at 18:41:40 RadarORiley wrote:
I hear what you say. Been there and done that. Why do I ask? 'Cause I've actually split cases and changed transmission gears on my own bikes. And the best that I could figure was that I didn't use the clutch....which if you think about is why they make clutches. Right? My last was a Yamaha DT 400 with a bad 5th gear....the engaging "dogs" on the side of the gears get burred and rounded and it either won't engage or it won't stay engaged. That happens from not using the clutch to slow the spinning shaft. Just think about it. Millions of bikers, riding around, shifting without a clutch, and then they sell the bike to someone else and trade up. Not everyone shifts flawlessly or without it going "crunch". ....I'm just offering brain food. Eat if you're hungry. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by StevieK on 01/25/06 at 02:10:11 On the problem of downshifting without braking, on my last bike I had the front brake lever adjusted so that with a tiny amount of pull it would activate the little piston thingy that lights up the brake light just before it actually activated the brake. You could then slow down with the gears and still have your brake light on, though it was a bit tricky to keep it on as you went down the gears. It was also *very* useful when a car driver was too close behind. A quick twitch of the brake lever and he'd slam his anchors on while I sailed on at the same speed. ;D |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by BS37066 on 01/25/06 at 04:53:04 I hear ya. Lee Parks talks about speed shifting in Total Control. Racers upshift running at WOT without the clutch by pre-loading the shifter and blipping the gas. At lower RPMs, and for downshifting, they do use the clutch. Greg_650 wrote:
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Reelthing on 01/25/06 at 05:51:14 Back to the original topic for a second - a proper adjusted belt will chirp a little at times - mostly just when it's wet - so far as putting various stuff on the belt - remember this belt runs just a few inches above the ground and as such is in a constant dirt and grit storm, anything put on the belt that catches and holds this stuff is likely to shorten the drive systems life - the front pulley is steel but the rear is softer aluminum - I have read that some baby powder should be ok - for me i just keep it adjusted (90deg method) and clean as possible. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by torque on 01/25/06 at 06:05:19 yeah,if u put soap on the belt your just covering up the problem,instead of fixing it. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Greg_650 on 01/25/06 at 06:20:24 BS37066 wrote:
Yep, but remember that you can't drive like a racer on the street. Racers go to the track with an all or nothing attitude to win. They push their machines to the limit. They aren't concerned with the consequences of extreme wear and tear. After all, they intend to rebuild and repair it after the race. Is this what everyone else plans to do? No one says that you can't shift without a clutch, and it is pretty easy to do. However, the clutch is there for a reason other than just easing the bike off at the start. It is intended to reduced the torque load on the gears before they engage because they are spinning at different speeds. You can "blip" the throttle to assist in this but it still isn't as smooth. The bike jerks for a reason. From time to time, I do pop it up a gear, but never under a load. This might happen 'cause my left and is busy picking my nose or scratching an annoying itch. It happens, but 99.99 percent of the time, I clutch. In this case, I didn't actually answer the question about why it won't go into 5th gear, Instead I tried to offer a reason why it might not. Gear damage. I don't know. It could be something else, but I assume that pesky things like shifter linkage adjustment are not an issue. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Digger on 01/25/06 at 09:32:53 RadarORiley wrote:
Hi Radar, FWIW, anytime I'm decelerating w/o braking (even if I'm just rolling off the gas and not downshifting), I twitch the front brake lever several times to give cagers warning that I'm slowing down. The habit is so second-nature w/ me that I don't even realize I'm doing it anymore. As far as shifting w/o the clutch, anyone who rides (or used to) ride motocross does this ALL the time while riding a motocross bike. You guys simply wouldn't believe how much the gearbox on a motocross bike gets hammered. Having said that, I always clutch during shifts on street bikes. I guess I just can't think of any reason not too! Ride safe! |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by SouthernMD on 01/25/06 at 14:04:04 Hay everyone I think I found it. The push rod from the foot leaver to the shift arm is bent. By the picture in the book it’s suppose to be straight. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Savage_Rob on 01/25/06 at 14:15:27 Hehe, that's from stomping on it to downshift when sitting still. You have to feather the clutch and downshift easily. It's a pretty cheap part at RonAyers.com. I keep a spare now, just in case. I never had a problem upshifting because of it though; just downshifting. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by BS37066 on 01/25/06 at 14:15:55 Do you speak english at home? Greg_650 wrote:
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Savage_Rob on 01/25/06 at 14:18:13 BS37066 wrote:
Huh? I must speak Greg. I understood it perfectly. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by SouthernMD on 01/25/06 at 15:41:12 Thanks Savage_Rob it should be here by next Wednesday. It was $13 including shipping. This Saturday I’ll pull the old one off straighten it and go for a test ride. SOMD |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by BS37066 on 01/26/06 at 04:10:44 Since niether of you seem to be able to read what I write perhaps a video will do. My friend Jimmy at the Gap: http://www.fbcstuff.com/hs2020/Deals%20GapRun1.wmv http://www.fbcstuff.com/hs2020/Deals%20GapRun2.wmv Savage_Rob wrote:
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by SouthernMD on 01/26/06 at 04:58:33 BS I’d like to make two points here. First the purpose of this post was to answer some questions that the owner of a Suzuki Savage had about some problems with his bike not discuss the pros and cons of speed shifting. Second if you want to start a post discussing the pros and cons of speed shifting you are certainly welcome to. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by torque on 01/26/06 at 06:13:17 BS37066 wrote:
i like how all the crusiers are out enjoying the senery, going the speed limit,then a idiot on a sportbike is in such a hurry to get home, he has to pass on the double yellow line. ::) |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Savage_Rob on 01/26/06 at 06:32:49 BS37066 wrote:
I never said I couldn't read what you wrote. I said I could read what Greg wrote after you asked if he spoke English. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by BS37066 on 01/26/06 at 08:50:13 Okay, Seems I can't post a reply without getting attacked. I don't think I enjoy being here. You guys are a bunch of geriatric poser wannabes who don't like to ride your bikes. Strip your bikes or dress them up like Philipino taxis, I don't care. They still won't be HDs and you still won't be 1 percenters. Bikes are for riding, not posing with. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by torque on 01/26/06 at 09:39:18 BS37066 wrote:
jeez,i said a couple things a couple of nights ago that i shouldn,t have said, but when u attack the people on this board its a another deal,i don't care if u down talk the savage,i do it now and then.just dont talk sh!t about the people on this board,if u wouldn,t say it to their faces. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Savage_Rob on 01/26/06 at 10:31:14 Hmm, I definitely missed something because I haven't seen anything in this thread to get wound-up over. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by RadarORiley on 01/26/06 at 11:44:33 I guess I'm about as Geriatic a member as there is, & I ride my bike. Probably not to suit him, but it sure makes me happy. ;D |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Greg_650 on 01/26/06 at 14:20:27 SouthernMD wrote:
Yes, it is supposed to be straight. Well, this was a fun little discussion :P |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Greg_650 on 01/26/06 at 14:38:39 BS37066 wrote:
Hi BS. Do you mind if I call you BS, for short? Anyway, I don't think that anyone was "attacking" you, but is it possible for you to have a discussion without name calling or tantrums? Geez, if we're all geriatric, then you are simply childish. Get real. What I said was based on my opinion AND my experience. Nothing more. Take it or leave it. However, while you're calling the rest of us posers, it seems that you don't state anything based your own experience, but rather you seem to only want to offer examples of or suggest what others do. Not much risk in that now, is there? If you want to have a discussions and share your opinions and experiences, that would be great. If not, simply go away. I was riding long before you, and with your attitude, I'll probably be riding long after you. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by SouthernMD on 01/26/06 at 17:08:57 Well I couldn’t wait for Saturday so I pulled the push rod off and straitened it after work today. What a difference in the way it shifts. I didn’t have a chance to ride it because my wife leaves for her work as soon as I get home leaving me to play daddy with our 4 year old all night. However just sitting still in the drive way with the engine running it has a lot more positive feel to the shifter, before it was real springy. It also gave me the chance to position the foot leaver where I want it. The next chance I’ll have to ride is Saturday. I’ll report back moving results then. By the way BS37066 hope I didn’t heart your feelings. In other forums I belong to the person who starts the topic is responsible for keeping it on track. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by sluggo on 01/26/06 at 17:22:02 SouthernMD wrote:
here we pretty much allow things to run it's course, one idea leads to another, and the disccussion keeps on moving. all we ask is that we "agree to disagree" with no personal attacks. it's worked pretty good so far. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by SouthernMD on 01/26/06 at 17:33:42 OK I'll drink with that. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Greg_650 on 01/26/06 at 22:15:12 It's late. I already did. Hic.... |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Greg_650 on 01/26/06 at 22:15:32 SouthernMD wrote:
Now see, here's the thing.... Often people write that the bike is hard to shift thru nuetral to 2nd gear, which is a pretty long throw. Usually someone mentions the shifter adjustment. In this case you were needing to go 70 to get into 5th (that's determination). So, I said this and then others said that...we get into shifting techniques...and then someone (Rob?) mentions the linkage. Isn't life wonderful? |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Savage_Rob on 01/27/06 at 05:41:10 I think he found it on his own. I just verified his suspicion that bent ain't right. |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by SouthernMD on 01/28/06 at 08:51:07 Hay All, I rode the bike into work today, froze my a$$ off (36deg). The good news is straightening the push rod worked I can shift into 5th gear at a much more reasonably speed; I shift around 45 or 50. The other good news is it should be around 60deg for the ride home. Oh and BTW I didn’t put anything on the belt but had no chirp either. ;D ;D ;D SOMD |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by Savage_Rob on 01/28/06 at 08:57:22 Nifty-neato, peachy-keen! |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by MacAttack on 05/24/06 at 12:25:04 I ride in the woods (don't race motocross) and I ALWAYS use the clutch. I just want my bike to last longer, and I figure it will if I use that lever so conveniently provided for me. Out in woods world, automatic clutches are getting popular... I wonder if that will spread roadward. My two cents ;) |
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Title: Re: Belt Chirp Post by thumperclone on 05/24/06 at 14:02:02 SouthernMD wrote:
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