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Title: The "easiest" way to make the bike louder Post by starmom on 07/06/06 at 18:53:08 love my savage, im a chick....... ;D Ive looked at posts thru the search and they are way to complicated. :'( i have an 06 LS40, would like to increase the noise output without making it rediculous? would different pipes help the bike "breath better"? run better? would many other adjustments have to be made with a change of pipes? I need the chicks version of an answer to these questions of someone would kindly humor me... is there a particular pipe that is proven to be an easy change? Thanks very much in advance.... ;) Sue |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by shawn_b on 07/06/06 at 19:39:35 The "easiest" way to make the bike louder is to drill 2 or 3 1" holes in the rear baffle did it to mine sounds good and cut down the backfire ??? shawn |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by starmom on 07/06/06 at 19:59:17 Kwel |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by starmom on 07/06/06 at 20:00:13 I just know that when I ride amongst harleys they are so much louder that others notice they are there. louder pipes may save my life.............. ;) |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by Brewbrother on 07/06/06 at 20:16:43 starmom wrote:
The truth is how long do you want it to sound like a sporster before you need real help. If you need a exhaust update, you must balance it with carb and intake. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by starmom on 07/06/06 at 20:22:03 Sounds like a job for my dealership............. dont know enough about all this to do on my own, changing the lightbulb was another story....... thanks which pipe change gives the nicest sound? sportster, jardine????? dont want my LS40 to sound just like a harley, just want a throater somewhat louder sound so that others knows more easily that Im on the road, next to or beside them, to be somewhat less invisable if that is possible? Appreciate your imput! |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by Redfire_05GT on 07/06/06 at 21:10:39 Sue, I haven't heard a Sportster or a Jardine. I put a Harley Screamin' Eagle slash cut muffler on my g/f's '05 S40 and at first she was embarrased to ride it because of the drastic jump in decibels. But she quickly got used to it after realizing she was being noticed a lot more readily. But it was quite loud for me to ride behind her even with earplugs. She now has a slash cut muffler from a Harley Dyna on it. Definitely louder and throatier than the stock muffler but no louder then a stock Harley is IMO. I've ordered a Thunder Monster baffle for the Screamin' Eagle muffler to see what that'll sound like. I also put a DynaJet kit in the carb which has all but eliminated the backfiring. The backfire with the SE muffler without rejetting the carb was awful...sounded like a .22 handgun almost every 1-2 shift she made! BTW, you need to find a boyfriend like my girlfriend has! ;) |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by WD on 07/06/06 at 22:44:38 I've tried a bunch of different mufflers on mine... The best sound was a 27 inch piece of chain link fence post, cut at an 80 degree slash. Sounded EXACTLY like a US Army UH-1 Huey medical evacuation/gunship helicopter. Just like rotor wash. I fired it off at a rally with that "muffler" on it...the Evo riders all ran away and hid... :o ::) 8) Before you ask, my bike is 100% illegal for on highway operation. We ride it on the road anyway... http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-11/1112724/roached.jpg It now has higher bars yet, and NO passenger kit. All that is left is tucking in 2 wires, throwing on the struts, and tabbing it. -WD |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by thumperclone on 07/06/06 at 23:03:52 sue ive got two hd muffs both drilled different ..the 80s style with the tab has a 5/8 hole in the baffel plate,the 90s style with slide mount has 2 9/16 holes (i think) p[lus i have a shorty muff from jc whitney have adaptor piece for each of the hd muffs the shorty is so short doesnt need the 10 deg off set when my hard krome gets here(1st of next week or so)you or anyone are wecome to any or all just pay shipping($15? each).. a word of advice you will NEED to make carb adjustments ls 650 is WAY too lean!! 8) pm me if interested this should be in the market place but if you dont tell what sluggo does behind the the dumpster i wont either!! :o |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by smokey02 on 07/07/06 at 00:08:14 Hi Starmom I like the turnout sportster(80000-84A), It's a rail mount, and it uses the same mounting holes on the original savage muffler bracket, had to use a 7" adaptor. Mounted on a single, it has a completely different sound than a v-twin, very distinctive. It's fairly loud, louder that a stock harley but not as loud as some bikes I hear around here. It's pretty deep and throaty sounding, mellow at idle but it gets more bitey as you open the throttle. If you ride really gently, and shift early, you won't frighten the neighbors, but on the other hand, It tempts you to wind it up in an underground parking lot just to see how many car alarms you can set off.http://images6.theimagehosting.com/albums/11758/IMG_0392.JPG |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by cstout on 07/07/06 at 05:03:30 I put a stock Sportster on mine. It had a Jardine slash-cut when I bought it and it was just too doggone loud! The Sportster muff has a very nice sound without being obnoxious. And it sounds nothing like a harley. Everyone's different, I know, but if you are like me, you don't want to go too loud. I found it to be much less enjoyable to drive when my eardrums would vibrate and pound against the wall of my skull. Plus I didn't like waking up the neighbors in the morning. Installing the Sportster muff was actually quite easy. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by starmom on 07/07/06 at 06:12:21 Thank you all so much for your imput........ Ive got a great husband, but not sure if he is up to messing with this.........maybe one of my friends would be up to the challenge. Thanks for putting it into simpler language.... will print out and discuss with hubby and friends... sue |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by yantis_flash on 07/07/06 at 06:22:28 I spent the money to put a Supertrapp on mine,the sound is louad but not too louad the bike runs great and i dont have back fires,and if you buy the one for the Savage it is tooned properly for the bike. ;D |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by starmom on 07/07/06 at 06:25:48 what you are saying is that the supertrapp installs easily is louder and does not require other adjustments to the carb? where is the best place to get these type accessories for our bikes? Ive read jcwhitney many times, im guessing that they have good prices... so far ive only bought things from the dealership, just because i dont know that much yet..... |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by pgolden on 07/07/06 at 06:40:25 Starmom, I can e-mail you a short sound file of a stock Sportster muffler. If you use a better flowing exhaust you will need to re-jet your carb. You can buy a Sportster muffler on E-bay cheap, and have a muffler shop make the adapter for about $10.00. It's an easy mod. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by azjay on 07/07/06 at 07:30:32 i was wondering how long it would take you, to want a louder voice for your thumper, after hanging out with the harley crowd ;D debby's bike is quite loud, the muffler i put on it is a mere 17" long and straight thru :o i got it free from the harley metal recycling bin (dumpster). it doesn't bother either of us, as the wind noise seems to be a louder annoyance in our ears than the open pipes on either bike. any opening of the exhaust will require rejetting of the carb, and may(probably) void the warranty. supertrapp advertises a slip on muffler that does not require rejetting, depending on how many discs are installed in the muffler. for a great parts source and dream book for FREE, :D go to denniskirk.com and order a parts catalog for the metric bikes, and you can order the harley catalog for the ol'man (brownie points) all the pipes are in there, jardine, supertrapp, cobra, etc with prices and free shipping on orders over $100.00 plus everthing else motorcycle, fowl weather gear (rain is for the birds), leather anything, lights, custom accessaries, etc. etc. kinda like the old sears catalog for motorcycles ;) |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by Dragon King on 07/07/06 at 08:12:41 I have the jardine kind of pricey but if you can find a used one the best way to go there was one in marketplace for sale. there was sounds in tech. not great but will help give you idea of sound ;D |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by vroom1776 on 07/07/06 at 08:20:57 Pretty much any change to the exhaust or air intake will require a rejet of the carb, which is a reasonably easy process. Just drilling holes in the back plate of the stock exhaust will not, but a stock savage/S40 should be rejetted anyway, unless you live at altitude, but espescailly if you live at sea level. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by starmom on 07/07/06 at 09:10:43 ok, now this is gonna sound really dumb... what exactly is rejetting a carb? can my bike shop do that? (can I trust them to do it) cause I dont have a clue..... re: louder pipes and having a harley in the house now, people just NOTICE you are there when your bikes exhaust is louder........ More than anything that is what im after, not to compete with a harley......... at bike nite the other nite, there were some guys there that the pipes were SO LOUD it should have been illegal...and they didnt hesitate to rev and rev and rev and rev...... I find that as annoying as when I went to a gym where there were alot of muscle heads that needed to excessively grunt while working out, i couldnt stand the "posers" either....... not trying to be a show off with the pipes just want to be less of a target because they dont see/hear me. Thanks again, you are all a great crew! sue |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by vroom1776 on 07/07/06 at 09:16:32 Rejetting the carb basically involves: 1) removing the carb. 2) taking it more or less apart, cleaning it, and repalcing the lousy float bowl screws 3) changing the jets 4) changing the spacer on the needle 5) drilling out the PMS plug so you can adjust the PMS screw 6) put it back together and reinstall There are many sets of instructions over in the tech sect. What is a jet? Basically it's a specialty screw with a hole running all the way through it to let fuel go to the body of the carb, get mixed with air, and sucked into the engine. They are cheap and plentiful. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by starmom on 07/07/06 at 09:24:07 thanks for explanation........ just called my bike dealer, he told me he knew of someone that put on a sportster muffler on my same year /model and the carb did not require any changing. Hummmmmmmmmm My husband just got an 06 sportster and is already complaining its not loud enough for him, maybe we should upgrade his pipes and use his muffler to upgrade mine????? I dont even want to know what louder pipes would cost for his toy............... you all rock! b.t.w. what is the best book put out for maintence type stuff for these bikes, I have seen references for "?clymer? manuels? thanks |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by MacAttack on 07/07/06 at 10:07:16 If you have the money ($60!) the Suzuki service manual is the best. The Clymer one is OK, and it's about $20-25 on the net. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by Mike M on 07/07/06 at 11:24:12 Hey Starmom - you are right on target with your idea of migrating your hubby's Sportster muffler and upgrading him. Exactly what me and a buddy did. Connecting the sporty to your Savage's head pipe is simple. On mine, I got such a tight fit that I simply rotated the sportster muf until its mounting tabs pushed against the savage bracket thereby angling it out so the exhaust doesn't blow on the rear wheel/brake. No angled adapter and it isn't even bolted. The simple opposing pressures have kept it absolutely in place with no leaks for over 2 years now. Probably not the gold-standard as retro fits go, but it worked fine. Try mounting it first and see how it runs. Tackle the additional mods only if you need them. I dialed out the low end mixture screw about 1.5 turns, removed the white spacer and drilled 3 3/8" holes in the sporty's baffle. The only true carb work was removing the spacer - and that was debatable as to need. If I had it to do over, I would have stopped with the idle screw adjustment and left the baffle alone and probably left the spacer in. My bike runs strong, is moderately loud and deep in sound and gets 50 mpg. I still get occasional backfires, which don't bother me in the least. Don't sell yourself short. If you take it in incremental steps, you can handle it. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by 911radioman on 07/07/06 at 11:42:28 pgolden wrote:
Not here lately! ;D I've been watching Sporty muffs and the last several over there have been fetching upwards of $70! :o |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by Reelthing on 07/07/06 at 12:31:54 starmom wrote:
Rather interesting dealer statement since the bike needs to be rejetted the day it comes out of the crate unless you live at high elevation like 10k ft or so. sorry just not a fan of most of them. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by Dragon King on 07/07/06 at 13:26:51 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/COMPLETE-HARLEY-SPORTSTER-MUFFLER-KIT-SAVAGE-LS650-S40_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35580QQihZ006QQitemZ160005536982QQrdZ1 not a bad price ;D |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by yantis_flash on 07/07/06 at 14:31:53 Starmom,I got my supertrapp from the stealer,paid to much,I`am sure.I have had to make no changes so far.I read an article on The Thumper Page that caused me to try it,I like it. ; 8) |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by klx650sm2002 on 07/08/06 at 03:02:13 If you are going for more noise get a less restrictive silencer and get more performance at the same time, will need a rejet though. Clive W :D |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by cstout on 07/09/06 at 08:30:44 vroom1776 wrote:
When you say to change the jets, are you meaning to replace them with new stock jets or something different than stock? |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by WD on 07/09/06 at 08:34:50 My bike is a 98. I gutted the exhaust in 99. I still haven't rejetted it... I have the jets, I'm just too lazy to do the work. Air box snorkel is plugged by the voltage regulator/rectifier unit, air box door deleted. Paper air filter element. Pre-apehangers the bike consistently delivered 70+ mpg commuting. Had a best of 85 mpg from Memphis TN to Sturgis MS, at highway speeds, in summer. With apehangers the bike turns 55 or so mpg. City or highway. Shouldn't have baffled the tailpipe, it got better mileage running open with apes than it does "stick stoppered" with apes. If I was going to redo the exhaust again, I'd just run to Wal-mart, buy a turn down exhaust tip, and run that instead of any kind of long pipe. You want to be heard/seen? I ran one for a day, and it blew holes in the gravel driveway... 8) -WD |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by 911radioman on 07/09/06 at 11:29:24 One should note -- the carb does NOT need to be removed from the bike to do a simple jet change. Now, that said, if you are getting into cleaning a carb, then yes remove it. For those who are running practically new bikes, who only need to rejet, there is no sense in pulling the carb off the bike, unless you just want to. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by Brewbrother on 07/09/06 at 17:35:56 starmom wrote:
His muffler will work on your bike. You can get a copy of the shop manuel on line. do a site search and the web addy will appear. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by 911radioman on 07/09/06 at 17:59:47 If I'm not mistaken aren't the newer Sportsters equipped with the crossover pipe that would require some welding to close up that hole on the muffler? My understanding is that older model Sportster muffs are what we want for our bikes. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by ratdog472 on 07/10/06 at 06:13:31 I have a line on a few sporty muffs if anyone needs one. I am picking up one for myself in the next month or so. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by vroom1776 on 07/10/06 at 10:09:38 cstout wrote:
The jets come in differnet sizes and styles. You need to keep the same style, but change the number usually to a bigger one. The actual size depends on what other mods you make to the intake and exhaust. Then you have to "dila it in," or "tune" the carb. Maybe a slightly larger or smaller size will work better... Clymer manual vs suzuki shop manual (aka FSM, Factory service manual). The clymer manual assumes you don't know anything, like how to turn a screwdriver (exaggeration by me), and the FSM assumes you know just about everything. Frankly, I know somehwat in between and the FSM is pretty okay, but I should prolly' get a clymer too. 911Radioman says you don't need to remove the carb to rejet, and he's right. I just think it makes it a lot easier to fool around with. Can the spacer mod be done w/o removing it? |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by Recon_04 on 07/11/06 at 22:23:15 Have a few questions about carb/exhaust mods. I have an '04 stock ls650. I am not a mechanic but i am mechanically inclined. question the first: can i just fab a new straight pipe "exhaust"with no baffle to replace the factory one. I don't know much about exhaust so i guess the real question is in doing so, will the lack of back-pressure be bad for the engine? (my mechanic friend just got pipebenders so i have access) qusetion the second: when i replace the air filter with a pod, and have done the exhaust, what re-jet settings should i start with? lastly, should i replace the spark plug with a "high-performance" plug? thanks a ton |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by vroom1776 on 07/13/06 at 09:46:25 1) you can do whatever you want. It's your bike. Here's a thread on exhaust desgin. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1106841412) The header OD is just a hair under 1.75 inches. 2) 152.5, 1 size over stock (pilot). tune |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by ponyrider on 08/06/06 at 12:44:35 Yantis_flash, Just wanted to know if you are still happy with your supertrapp muffler? I am looking to order one soon. Did you install it yourself? |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by RadarORiley on 08/06/06 at 12:48:18 yantis_flash wrote:
I saw that you are from Yantis, Texas, what Stealership did you get your bike from? We have a place at Alba and couldn't find a bike dealer anywhere close. we love Lake Fork. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by Savage_Rob on 08/07/06 at 05:26:08 Yeah, no need to remove the carb. After removing the seat amd tank, you'll have all the access you'll need. Just loosen the two clamps and rotate the carb as needed for easier access. |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by thumperclone on 08/07/06 at 06:24:14 i would suggest removing the carb the first time you work on it so you can get your impact driver on those stubborn stock bowl and top screws.which you replace with allen heads ;) had trouble with one top screw on my 06 and it was only 45 days out of the show room..forced me to buy the impact driver |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by eglidegirl on 08/07/06 at 11:23:30 Starmom - Thanks for asking this question! I too have been looking for a "chick description" on this mod. :D Oh...I sent you a pm asking about your saddlebags a few weeks back but didn't get a reply. Did you see the pm? |
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Title: Re: The "easiest" way to make the bike l Post by Jim_R on 08/07/06 at 12:07:32 Hmm I dont know if anyone mentioned this but with a new muffler there might be a problem with the exhaust blowing back on the arm for the rear brake. This gets pretty sooty and nasty. I eliminated this by getting a slashcut style muffler that blows the exhaust away from the side of the bike, not towards the back like a straight muffler would do. U also have to worry about making a very tight seal around the muffler to header pipe. U can use brute force clamps but even then u need some kind of material inbetween the two. Most people use strips of metal or some kind of heat resistant fiber. That way u dont get backfires from letting off the throttle. U might want to rejet like everyone has stated to a 150 or 152.5 main jet and stup up ur pilot to a 55. Also consider changing ur air filter to a k&n drop in or a pod filter. Good luck |
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