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Message started by tysonlguthrie on 08/05/06 at 10:54:23

Title: Concerns about upgrades
Post by tysonlguthrie on 08/05/06 at 10:54:23

the guy at the suzuki shop in town discouraged me from doing any tinkering on my savage. he said the reason there are barely any aftermarket parts for the bike is it wasn't made to be tinkered with. said if you let her breathe to well, she'll burn up. are these valid concerns?

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Keith_B on 08/05/06 at 13:48:24

NOT IF DONE THE RIGHT WAY, if you just add an open muffler and open the intake up with a K/N, without rejetting you WILL make it run much more lean than it already is, which will likely burn it up.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by barb36jack31 on 08/05/06 at 13:53:29

Many of us have done the carb mods with the aftermarket pipe and K&N filter. If you do them all at the same time you will have no problem and your plug will read a nice light gray/brown color. Have faith and your bike will run like a charm!

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Paladin on 08/05/06 at 17:28:53

tysonlguthrie wrote:

the guy at the suzuki shop in town....

...wants you to bring the bike and your money to him for all service and accessories. No motorcycle is built to be tinkered with -- doesn't mean you can't tinker or that tinkering is bad for it. Every motorcycle is built as a compromise -- you tinker to correct that compromise.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Brewbrother on 08/05/06 at 18:52:25

What are your riding requirements?? Do you have any mechanical abilities?? How many independent shops in you area?? The stealership is playing you.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Dynobob on 08/05/06 at 23:18:26

tysonlguthrie wrote:

he said the reason there are barely any aftermarket parts for the bike is it wasn't made to be tinkered with. said if you let her breathe to well, she'll burn up.

Nonsense. The bike won't be long lasting (will burn up ???) with the factory jetting which is way too lean to meet EPA standards. The rejetting which is described on this board will make for a better running, smoother, longer lasting bike. That's BS for sure. I think the dealer just wants you to buy a more expensive bike which is made to to be tinkered with ;)

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by azjay on 08/06/06 at 08:12:15

keep in mind, the salesman knows nothing about working on or maintaining a bike, probably doesn't even own or ride. the service manager doesn't like anything other than absolutely stock, because the mfr takes the liability on the service repair, not him. parts department only sells stuff for the popular models, and doesn't understand anything that isn't in the book. our bike isn't fancy like the big metric cruisers, or all the rage, like one of the sport/race type bikes, so there isn't a huge aftermarket following for it. the basic laws of supply and demand dictate, if there isn't a great(profitable) demand, there isn't a need for supply. we are a faithful few, who believe whole heartedly in this dinosaur by design, so we do it like it was done in the old days. we invision a change/need, and figure out how to get there. nessessity is the mother of invention, or something to that effect.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by lancer on 08/06/06 at 09:08:47

Well said.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Keith_B on 08/06/06 at 14:50:35

HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 ;)

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Ed_L. on 08/06/06 at 16:47:19

You can either live in the box dictated by society or follow a new and different path. Modify the da*m bike, the dealer only wants to sell you a newer/bigger/more expensive bike.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Island_Biker on 08/07/06 at 06:28:09

My attitude is quite simple -

Rule # 1 - if there is a warranty, you have to follow the rules for the length of the warranty - if you want anything out of it. Once the warranty is up, it's your machine, whether it's a bike, a car, or a toaster.

Rule # 2 - when listening to anyone (me included), consider whether they might have your best interests in mind, or their own.

Play away.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by vroom1776 on 08/07/06 at 08:52:46

Let me say the following on warranites:

If you screw with the carb and incorrectly jet your bike, and burn a hole in the piston, the warranty will not cover it.

If you screw with the carb, rigth or wrong, and the cam chain tensioner goes at low mileage, it will still be covered under the warranty.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by SeeAPierce on 08/08/06 at 06:12:23

Curious how many have used their 1 year warranty coverage? I rejetted, new muffler, and white spacer'd before 600 miles. I now have 11 months, 3000 miles and the bike runs like a dream. Well...a popping on decel dream ;)

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by lancer on 08/08/06 at 14:03:49

I used the warranty for something, but my 3 good brain cells have long since dumped that data.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Bugscraper on 08/09/06 at 21:14:35

[quote author=Dynobob link=board=RubberSideDown;num=1154800463;start=0#5 date=08/05/06 at 23:18:26]
Nonsense. The bike won't be long lasting (will burn up ???) with the factory jetting which is way too lean to meet EPA standards.

Wait, lemme get this straight -- are you saying that it runs much leaner than necessary for EPA standards? I didn't know that.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Dynobob on 08/10/06 at 03:36:42

Bugscraper wrote:

Wait, lemme get this straight -- are you saying that it runs much leaner than necessary for EPA standards? I didn't know that.

The bike won't be long lasting with the factory jetting which is way too lean (to meet EPA standards).

It's jetting is designed to meet EPA standards and that is too lean for long life and smooth running.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Savage_Rob on 08/10/06 at 06:59:17

Exactly. Suzuki jets and adjusts the bike much leaner than it should be if you wanted to get the best performance, power and lifespan out of the machine. The seemingly obvious reason is that it's the cheapest way to help meet EPA emmisions standards.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Bugscraper on 08/10/06 at 12:58:40

Dynobob wrote:

OK, I read you wrong. I thought you were saying it ran leaner than EPA-lean.
Is the only way to have a bike w/decent performance that also meets EPA standards to buy something w/FI like the C50? Otherwise, it seems that mods are being done without concern for air quality (if that's really a legitimate issue in the 1st place)?

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by vroom1776 on 08/10/06 at 14:29:46

The EPA's concern w/ motorcycle emissions is completely ridiculous. MCs make up less than 1% of vehicles on the road. Even then, stuff like coal burning power plants dwarf the emmissions of cars. Heck if a vehicle is big enough, like a hummer, it doesn't have to meet federal emmissions standards. Whey? b/c they can't. The EPA is complete crap. >:(

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Paladin on 08/10/06 at 14:53:28

http://www.hotaugustnights.net/

Smog level in Reno doesn't quiver a bit with the addition of thousands of cruisin' high-polutin' rods.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Dynobob on 08/10/06 at 16:03:04

You'll see more and more bikes in the future going to fuel injection. I'm not sure why these thumpers suffer so much from the lean jetting. Most carbureted late model bikes have some drivability issues. Our Suzukis seem to be greatly affected by lean jetting. Perhaps it's due to the engines being big singles or maybe just cr@ppy engineering...dunno. What I do know is they're transformed by some simple and inexpensive jetting.

Are we showing utter disregard for air quality? Maybe. But like vroom said, these tiny little 30 horsepower machines aren't polluting anywhere near the big SUVs and trucks.

We're nearing the end of the era of carburetion. Microchips and FI are here to stay.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by vroom1776 on 08/11/06 at 09:51:09

Dynobob wrote:

We're nearing the end of the era of carburetion. Microchips and FI are here to stay.

One day soon, carbs will be "old school," and very, very pimp on cruisers & choppers.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by charbour on 08/14/06 at 20:20:48

Given the point a supply and demand and the lack of it with respect to aftermarket savage parts, what make of model of bike best matches up to limit the modifications.

I picked up a 96 Savage and am loving it.
Everything I have read about it being a learners bike is completely accurate, many people comment on it's curb appeal (to borrow a home phrase).

Everything negative I have read about it has become a reality as well. At 6' the bike feels small and as a direct result the arse lets me know it after about 45 mins. That is after the seat modifications listed on this site prior to that 15-30mins was about the max I could stand.
I would love opinions on what I can do to enjoy longer rides without the tailfeathers protesting.

The longer rides would also be limited to the range the gas tank offers. While it is far more economical than my four wheeler I can't get any more than 120kms to the tank. Will the air filter, jetting and exhaust recomendations (harley pipe)
offer an improvement in this area?

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Savage_Rob on 08/15/06 at 06:26:13

So far as rider comfort, you might look into forward controls. When it comes to fuel economy, you probably won't improve with rejetting. In fact, you may lose a small amount while gaining power/performance. About extending range, the TourTank (http://www.tourtank.com/) is one option. Another would be to adapt a larger tank to replace the stock LS650 tank.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by divecop on 08/15/06 at 07:24:01

I enjoy stopping every 100 miles for gas...gives me a chance to stretch...

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by charbour on 08/15/06 at 22:40:37

The tour tank looks like the easier installation (as in the fabrication is already done for you) but I don't care for the appearance.
I will look around for others who have tried a tank swap but in the meantime I am going with divecop and just stopping more often, I know the butt will appreciate it (until a seat swap is done).

Your experiences in the absence of mine are appreciated.

Title: Re: Concerns about upgrades
Post by Kropatchek on 08/16/06 at 03:01:58

charbour wrote:

At 6' the bike feels small and as a direct result the arse lets me know it after about 45 mins. That is after the seat modifications listed on this site prior to that 15-30mins was about the max I could stand.
I would love opinions on what I can do to enjoy longer rides without the tailfeathers protesting.

I installed the HD Sportster seat .

Best seat ever.

Tried the 2 piece gel, the S40 Pillow gel.

Greetz

Kropatchek 8)