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Title: savage suspension Post by cFLOW on 11/29/06 at 12:15:51 I.ve done a search all over the web but found nothing really . what I need to know can I cut out part of the spring on the rear shocks to lower the back of the savage. I was thinking of lowering it about 1.5 to 1.75 inches from stock. Thanks |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by sluggo on 11/29/06 at 12:41:35 cFLOW wrote:
try a bigger tire 140/90 http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j257/dsluggo/lowangle.jpg |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by vroom1776 on 11/29/06 at 12:46:51 you really dont want to cut spring steel. While you cut it, you typically heat up the steel and mess up its force per distance travel rating. You could prolly get a cheap set off of ebay to mess with, though. V |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by verslagen1 on 11/29/06 at 13:16:06 you can cut spring steel but you need to constantly cool it either by blasting compressed air on it continuously or submerge it in water. you'll need to cut it with an abrasive cut off wheel. put your bare fingers close to where you're cutting, when it's too hot to hold, it's time to cool it off. |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by Dynobob on 12/01/06 at 10:01:54 verslagen1 wrote:
...or wrap it with a wet towel. Cutting coils is a common way to lower a bike. Beware - the springs will become stiffer - you may end up with a very stiff ride. |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by Fat Bastard on 12/07/06 at 02:00:55 hi.. I have been looking for new shocks to replace mine(after 40.000 km) I don't want to raise the rear end.. I have a 140/90 tire wich resulted in a little scraping.. removed the saddlebags and changed the bolts so now I don't have a clearing problem when I ride solo. But when the old lady comes along the clearing problem is back... I was thinking about going to 11" maybe even 11.5.. but i Like the way the tire goes into the fender so there is no air between (no seetrough)... Ok now to the point... after looking around, it is difficult to find shocks that I like (cheap).. but in my search i found this Savage http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=91069&image=17356782&images=17356778 and that is what i want... but I want to know the pros (if there are any) and cons of going hardtail.... |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by vroom1776 on 12/07/06 at 10:14:18 never seen that one... Okay, here's a pic of my hardtail savage: http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C02%5C18%5Cbikepics-524432-full.jpg It's undegone some more change since then. I made the struts out of 1" rebar, 10.25" long, center to center, ~14mm (0.552" or so) holes, no rubber gromets. Welded and heat treated the bushing on there with a TIG (bob at the machine shop did that for me). I chose the length b/c that was how the stock shocks were when I sat on it and I did not want to change the steering geometry. In retrospect, I may have gone to maybe 9.5". The bushing are made from 1" OD cold rolled steel. I THINK they are 18mm or so wide. http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2006%5C02%5C17%5Cbikepics-523672-800.jpg http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g152/vroom1776/Pose_1.jpg Advantages: more power to the ground. Looks cool, is cool. Puts hair on your chest. Very fun to ride. It is NOT the same bike at all anymore. Disadvantages with STRUTS: no two up, can bend frame. can bend frame anyway. money leaves your pocket and goes into your chiropractor's (actually, not too bad yet). Very hard on this cheap bike. Now, there's the proper way to hard tail a savage: http://www.geocities.com/mea4dxl/14758059_l.jpg with a different fender, it would be possible to take a pass. |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by Fat Bastard on 12/07/06 at 11:38:38 Thanx for the reply.. I'll order me some struts.. it comes to about 120$ with shipping. depends on if I want them in black or not. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BOULEVARD-S40-SUZUKI-SAVAGE-HARDTAIL-LOWERING-STRUT-KIT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35585QQihZ007QQitemZ170019911490 I don't have the tools or know how to make my own. And I can always switch back to shocks for those longer runs if my a$$ complains.. but what do you mean with "the frame could bend" I really don't want that.. I'm a skinny guy and when I sit on it the shocks do not move.. only when I hit holes or speedbumps so I'll probably go with the same hight as the shocks are 10.5". The thing that worries me is.. say that I'm doing 100+ kph on the freeway.... how does it react in that kind of speed... if I hit something... is there a possibility for a bouncing effect? I have tried searching for these question on the net without luck. only thing I found wich had to do with motorcycles (not mountainbikes, alot of them) was http://www.content.onlypunjab.com/Article/Is-a-Hard-Tail-Frame-Right-for-Your-Motorcycle-/4200320092003215153 but that doesn't really answear any question.. just that "Kidney-jarring jolts can result from hitting bumps." |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by vroom1776 on 12/07/06 at 12:09:34 don't do much hiway riding on my savage anymore, got a V* 1100 for that. BUT! I will say that rough highway on the savage eats the middle of my back for lunch. It's not so much yr butt as it is yr back that will end up hurting. I would not want to hit a large pothole at 70 mph. I've hit a couple of good bumps at some large speed and ended up on the gas tank a couple of times. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=cafe;action=display;num=1159805215) Frame bending... take a look at the upper left side shock mount. See how far out it sticks (to get around the belt drive)? That is the most likely failure point. you may also do a search on this site for "progressive" shocks. A lot of folks get longer ones, but I believe they also make 9.5" ones. Once you do the search, you will have all the info you need to get right shocks from progressive, if you want shocks. Progressive doesn't make anything specifically for the savage, but there isat least one model that will fit. V |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by Bugscraper on 12/07/06 at 14:27:14 Dunno why those struts only lower 2"; you can drop the rear up to 4" w/struts. |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by vroom1776 on 12/07/06 at 15:28:37 I'm not too sure about that... Does the stock tire fit between the rear part of the frame where the rear fender attaches? If not, I don't think I could have used anything less than 9" center to center, maybe 8", judging by the first pic I posted. Also, in this next pic, you can see the weak point on the frame: http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g152/vroom1776/PICT0005.jpg?t=1165534569 this pic is misleading in the amount of space between the tire and the frame because of the angle. |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by Bugscraper on 12/08/06 at 14:08:38 Remember Hardrail Hal & Bryan Felsher from Bert Heise's forum? They both went 4". |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by Fat Bastard on 12/09/06 at 10:41:50 Thanks for the info Vroom1776.... Where I live the roads are in a horrible state.. I have also hit a bump and it sent me flying, but I was lucky and landed on the seat again and managed to hold balance. I don't think I will take that chance.. to go hardtail. I don't want to lower my driving speed. or risk to be thrown overboard. .. I'll just follow your advice and get some progressive.. and maybe get me some cheap struts to try... or if I have the possibility to try another bike with a hardtail... But it just looks so xxxxxxx cool. |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by Reelthing on 12/09/06 at 11:10:41 good choice hardtails are rough to take very long on good roads, maybe if you had a hog of a rear tire like a 240 or bigger at very low pressure it might be better than the hardtail I had a long time ago, 412-4232c for a very soft ride 412-4233c for a firm ride http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1136924522;start=30#30 |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by vroom1776 on 12/09/06 at 13:35:24 Bugscraper wrote:
unfortuantely, no. I got onto bert's froum about a month before it crashed (or whatever happened to it). Were tehy struts or was a whole new tail section made and welded on? Just curious V |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by Bugscraper on 12/10/06 at 16:21:17 vroom1776 wrote:
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They were struts. I bought Hal's when he sold his 1st (red) Savage. But, he bought another (black) and wanted 'em back. You can see 'em at: http://www.jonline.org/savage Bryan's bike is also there; but, it's a later incarnation w/different struts. |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by Bugscraper on 12/10/06 at 16:24:46 Bugscraper wrote:
P.S.: click on Photos, then Cool Savages. [quote][/quote] |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by Bugscraper on 12/10/06 at 16:41:02 Actually, Hal made 2 sets -- 1 w/3" drop & 1 w/4". He ran the 4". You can see Bryan's earlier version at Odar's site (bottom of the page): http://wb524292.bahnhofbredband.se/sida3.htm |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by Bugscraper on 12/10/06 at 16:53:04 Bryan fabbed some cool parts -- see: http://www.heise-workstations.de/ls650/Fragen/messages/29148.html But, he was never around long. He'd be there 1 day, gone the next, back again, then gone, with no way to find him. He fabbed an aluminum speedo housing replacement I'd sure like to have. |
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Title: Re: savage suspension Post by vroom1776 on 12/11/06 at 09:08:04 definitly some nice work! A lot of folks seem to keep the battery box and niot the sidepanels, to, I notice... |
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