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Title: Oil sump plug woes Post by cybofax on 12/03/06 at 08:48:27 Hi there savage experts! I decided today to change the oil in my recently acquired Savage so took her out for 30 minutes or so to warm her up. On returning to base - I tried to remove the sump plug (17mm) but have not been able to shift it! I can use "mechanical sympathy" and just know that the head is just about to become rounded using either an open ended or ring spanner (sorry - wrench!) . I can just about get a socket on - but alas not with the ratchet handle! It won't clear the bottom of the frame. :( Because it is slightly inset - even though a vice grip could just fit on - there is no room for it to undo as the jaws hit the sump. So - I'm going to get a replacement sump plug on order but the problem of removal still remains. What would you suggest? Drill out? Remove engine and see if a socket will fit on? Any suggestions warmly received! ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by serowbot on 12/03/06 at 09:21:41 Squirt some penetrating oil (wd-40 or something) up there. Wait a minute. Put your wrench (preferably box-end) on it, put clockwise tension on it with one hand, then give the end of the wrench a sturdy rap with a hammer. This will hopefully break the lock on the threads and may help put some bite back on the rounded edges of the nut. Then put a counter-clockwise tension on the wrench give it couple of sharp raps with the hammer to get the nut loose. Keep strong tension on the wrench when you rap it with hammer, it should not bounce back after the hit! Hope it works! Best luck, Serowbot |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by grandpa on 12/03/06 at 09:22:57 Just a basic question. Are you using the old "lefty loosey, righty tighty"? In other words turning the plug counter - clockwise. Worst case (have to be extremely careful or you'll have big problems) you can use a chisel to make a notch in the plug head and then use a punch or the chisel to drive the plug around to get it loose. Hopefully it's not cross threaded by the previous owner. |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by cybofax on 12/03/06 at 09:54:43 Hey guys - thanks for the quick replies. I've already tried the "shock tactics" with the hammer clockwise then anticlockwise. I'll wait until next weekend to try the chisel/punch method - good tip! I'll let you know how I get on! - here's hoping it isn't cross threaded! From: http://www.alpha-sports.com/suzuki_parts.htm The crankcase appears to come as a set: Part# 11301-24812 Desc CRANKCASE SET Price 954.74 (recent savage owner blubbering) |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by Rogue_Cheddar on 12/03/06 at 15:25:58 Don't go buying a new crankcase if the oil plug is stripped. it can be fixed a lot cheaper than that. My buddy's intruder had a screwed up plug and that area is being rebuilt and threaded at a stealership for less than 200 $. You might want to take it to a shop and let them deal with it. |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by Dynobob on 12/03/06 at 17:41:25 Don't remove it when the bike is hot. Let it cool a bit first. Soak it liberally with PB Blaster penetrating oil (available at auto parts). It comes out counterclockwise. Rapping on the bolt might help. Heating it with a propane torch and letting it cool off might help too. Good luck. |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by cybofax on 12/18/06 at 02:37:19 Hi guys! Got my replacement Oil sump plug and crush washer last week - so took grandpa's advice and used the chisel/punch method. After about an hour of alternating penetrating spray and centre punching - I managed to loosen it. Took her out to warm up the oil and did the deed. I know you kids like pikkies - so I'll upload a picture of that bad boy soon! Many thanks for the helpful replies and advice! |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by cybofax on 12/31/06 at 07:04:29 http://w2.bikepics.com/pics/2006/12/31/bikepics-759621-800.jpg This is removing the oil sump plug the hard way - approx one hour with a punch, penetrating oil and a small sledge hammer - not recommended! |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by Reelthing on 12/31/06 at 08:13:11 hummm from the look of the back ground looks like the head plug seal is in you future ? |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by Greg_650 on 12/31/06 at 08:42:47 Reelthing wrote:
That background picture looks amazingly familiar :) |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by barb36jack31 on 12/31/06 at 18:52:00 Just a comment - Oil of wintergreen (Available at any drug store) ia absolutely the best penetrating oil in the world. Used it many times while in the Navy and it worked every time - even when the nut/bolt was badly rusted. Happy wrenching! Jack H. |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by Max_Morley on 12/31/06 at 18:57:47 Yup, I used to get it from the corpsman to use in the engine room. Guess that is why I like Marvel Mystery Oil now as a penetrating oil as it seems to be based on the same stuff. Max EN2 Uss Conserver ARS-39 '61-'64. |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by cybofax on 01/01/07 at 14:25:22 Hey Reelthing! ESP? Unbelievable! ;) Greg - you may want to check out a thread in the technical section posted by some whippersnapper namesake of yours! ;D barb36jack31 and Max_Morley - thanks for the tip - I'll check out our local chemist (aka drugstore!) to see if they have any of that stuff over here - wintergreen is generally associated with stuff to rub on sports injuries over here (UK). :D I have one major problem with my Savage though - I bought it to strip down and refurbish - it has oil leaks, tatty paintwork, the swinging arm needle bearings are shot - and sundry other issues BUT! I'm having so much fun riding her that I keep doing the minimum to keep her on the road! (Including oil changes). Occupational hazard of being a Savage Owner I suppose! Anyhoo! All the best for the new year to you all - keep up the excellent work on this forum (It was one of the reasons I bought a Savage) and although I'm new to the forum and the Savage - I'll keep posting my refurb woes when I eventually get round to it. I can pretty much ride all year round here - so there is no pressing winterisation window to force it off the road, hence the catch 22 situation - strip down or ride? ride or strip down? |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by justin_o_guy on 01/01/07 at 15:58:48 Sorry to be the one to point out the obvious, but you need another savage. Park the one that needs the least work & get it going well enough to last long enough to get the other one up & running like ya want it. Then maybe sell the one you were riding while you fixed the other one, or fix it up but with a different theme, maybe a Bobber, maybe a cafe racer? Cheap bikes to buy, fun to own, & they lend themselves to creative owners. I am looking for another. |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by barb36jack31 on 01/02/07 at 14:42:35 For Cybofax and Max_Morley I'm an old retired Navy Corpsman so you know where I got the oil of wintergreen from. Also it is EXACTLY the same stuff they rub on sore muscles etc. It just works great! Jack H. |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by cybofax on 01/15/07 at 15:23:28 still not managed to get any oil of wintergreen yet - I'm having to use WD40! :) Regarding Justin_o_guy's suggestion of getting another bike - I've just got a Honda CB500 Please don't think bad of me - it's only because I want to repair Lily Savage! |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by Greg_650 on 01/15/07 at 21:59:11 cybofax wrote:
Huh?...namesake? Didn't know that I had any... |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by Phelonius on 01/29/07 at 11:56:24 Marvel Misery oil is very good but my vote for the best is AERO-KROIL. It can penetrate fissures as small as one millionth io an inch. Don't ask me how they measured that. I only know that it works. Glad everything came out without damage. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: Oil sump plug woes Post by Max_Morley on 01/29/07 at 12:05:47 Yes it is good, leaks out of every cheap pump oiler I've tried to store it in. I bought a gallon last time, my first experience with it was many years ago when my Mom orderd some for me as a gift. MMO is easy to get and works well to keep the air tool motors clean. CRC has a new pentrating oil advertised in the current automotive press. Will be interesting to see how it works. When I was working on the Kawasaki MULE that had been in a dairy for 13-15 years I started with Kroil, then PB Blaster, then MMO hoping one would loosen the rust on on the fasterners. Got good at just twisting the heads off the bolts with an air wrench and then soaking them again and then drilling them until the drill caught and usually wound the rest of the fastener out. Almost any penetrant works better the longer it is on. Another way that works well is heat the fasterner with a small torch and the let a candle melt on the threads it will follow the threads down as it cools. Won't eat the rust bond though. Max |
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