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Title: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by free_fall on 01/05/07 at 19:51:17 Time to move up from my starter bike and have whittled the list down to an S40 and ... um ... something else. Or so I thought. After perusing this board for a few days, I'm not so sure that the S40 would be a good choice *for me*. First thing that caught my eye was the bit about having to remove to seat to do most any maintenance (and how that in itself is kind of a hassle, very easy to strip the bolts, etc.). Then, today, it was the oil leak/plug cap thing and, even worse, the having to remove the gas tank just to replace the spark plug thing (that doesn't make much sense to me that it would be designed like that in the first place). Now, when I say *for me*, I mean that I'm mechanically-challenged, having neither the experience (or tools) to do much more than change the oil. Add to that, that the closet authorized dealers are 25-50 miles away (and the dealer with the best OTD price, by several hundred $, is 122 miles), you can begin to see my trepidation. Sure there are some some local shops, one which I've used but wouldn't trust to do more than change tires or oil, and others of unknown reputation; one has been recommended by a co-worker but, again, is a good 30 minute drive away. I'm interested in the S40 because it had a tad more oomph and a tad more weight (it can get very windy here) than the other model I'm considering, plus it has the belt drive. And I've been enamored with this bike ever since I sat on a beautiful dark British racing green 2000 model on a showroom floor back in 2001 - it just felt ... "nice". By contrast, the other model I'm looking at has a reputation for being "bullet-proof" and much easier and simpler to service, even for someone like me, should I want to get started in with that. I'd be interested in hearing your opinions on this aspect of S40 ownership. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by Trippah on 01/05/07 at 20:17:48 Free fall- every bike forum is full of the little issues each marque has- Check out wildguzzi or triumphrat net for examples. The S-40 is as bullet proof as they get. If you don't want to get mechanical, figure every 7 thousand miles bringing it to a shop for tires, valve adjustment etc. As I only go about 1 - 2 Thousand miles a year as a commuter, four hundred bucks every 5 years is not a big deal. Of course, you haven't mentioned your other choice, maybee someone on thhis forum is familiar with it and can help with the decision. Best of luck, ride carefully and have fun. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by justin_o_guy on 01/05/07 at 20:19:30 Ther's a couple of ways to enjoy these bikes. The first, buy it, ride it, basic maintenance. Don't treat it too rough & it is very cool to own. Good mileage, decent Oooomph, & it looks good & is low & easy to ride. NEXT! Piddle with it, Make it yours. Experiment some, but, with some guidance. (Smart guys here, saved my tail) This means you will be pulling the tank & messing around. You will need to pull the tank to do basic maintenance. Namely, adjust the valves. Once you've seen it, it's cake. I don't really like doing things, especially things that , if done wrong can cause problems, without SOME idea how to do it.So, I paid a mechanic to do the valves & now I do it myself. Actually, he just told me how, cuz he did it real early i the AM before I got there. Tell me what you are considering buying other than the Suzuki. You have to get what you are most comfortable with. I ride the dog outta my Suzuki & I don't have any leaks or clatters in the engine. The plug they are talking about leaking is something that is supposed to be pulled at about 600 miles & the heads retorqued. I didn't do it & I have over 13000 miles on it. IF ya pull it, there's a way to reinsatll the NEW one that will keep it from leaking. Some mechanics are just sloppy & they allow leaks sometimes. If you ever wanted to get better with wrenches, here's your chance. I think ANY bike offers that, I hope this helps some. Consider this. The matket is still there for Suzuki & this is about a 20 year old design. IF it still sells & the design is unchanged, aparently the public likes the bike so well they buy it, warts & all, cuz overall, it's a heck of a deal. If it was a lousy machine to own it would have been out of production long ago.The competition in Motorcycle production is too steep to allow for crummy machines to stay on the showroom floor. BUy a used one & see if ya don't love it. New bikes devaluate immediately, just like cars. I bought mine new,Once I found this site I wish I hadn't.There are some really nice bikes for sale right here every so often. Good luck, whatever you choose. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by babbalou on 01/05/07 at 20:29:37 You won't have to worry about the leaky plug. Suzuki fixed that a few years back. I've had my seat off lots of times & never stripped the bolts. If you do the white spacer mod (mid-throttle jetting) you'll only need to remove the seat once & it's easy. For the pilot screw & main jet change the seat stays on. No radiator to worry about. One spark plug & one carb. Belt drive. No more to deal with than most other bikes. I had my seat off a lot because I experimented with 4 different mufflers before settling on a SuperTrapp. I took the chrome pieces of the head & never had to take off the seat & raise the tank to check the plug. Others have used a trick to swing it out of the way to check it. (tech section)If you fit it I think you'd like this bike. It's quite the unsung bargain these days. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by free_fall on 01/05/07 at 21:14:24 Well, I didn't mention the name of the other bike because I'd just read the PG, which said to only talk about Savages. But I see there's other posts (and one very analogous to this one (once I name that other bike) a couple down from mine. lol Ya, the other bike I'm looking at is a Rebel, a shiny, new red "07 (S40 would have to be the '07 in blue, hands down). My current ride is an'81 Honda CM200T that I've had for 1 1/2 yrs now (purchased after my 80cc Elite was stolen after 4 years use). It has an oil leak and the seat is thrashed, but it runs pretty decent. I use it to get to work and back, 1 mile each way, and short errands around town (no car, btw). I plan to keep this one and start practicing on doing my own maint, with it as the guinea pig; better if I screw something up that one, while learning, than the shiny new bike. Some of the pro and cons I've been weighing: - the Rebel is basically just a newer version of my current ride This qualifies as both a pro and con - pro, in that I like it, I'm comfortable on/with it, etc; con, in that if I'm going to get a new bike, I maybe want to step up just a bit rather than getting basically the same thing. - I'd like to start thinking of using it a bit more than just work commuter/errand hopper. The Rebel could certainly do this, the S40 could do this a little more so. As you point out, some problems can be caused by sloppy mechanics; with the somewhat limited selection here, I'd be a little concerned that one such could do more damage to an S40 than to a Rebel. I think I would also feel more comfortable trying to do some maint on the Rebel than the S40, judging from some of the detailed posts/pics I've seen here (the plug seal and swinging spark plug cover, for example). So, I'm torn between these 2 bikes. If I lived in a big city where there was a wider selection of repair options, I wouldn't hesitate to get the S40. One thing I did want to ask about - I find the riding position on the 200T very comfortable, with the pull-back handlebar and the pedals straight down (very similar to my scooter riding position). Would I find the more forward pedals on the S40much of a change and/or uncomfortable? The Rebel has the the same straight down pedals, but I understand the handlebar is changed and not quite as pulled back as before; some say not as comfortable to them. I'll be able to judge better for myself when I can get a chance to try them out for myself, but that will have to wait until I can get a friend to drive me in to the nearest dealers. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by SAMM on 01/05/07 at 22:04:53 Dont get me wrong I love my savage... but I do miss the more center peg controles (foot pegs) as I believe I had more body english when ridding... I was able to shift my weight (butt) around more. With my legs set forward I get quite a jult to my aged back on bumps even after upgrading the rear shocks.... Even with that beeing said I would never trade my Savage (S40) for a Rebbel... |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by Roadie on 01/05/07 at 22:24:45 I'd get the rebel since your already used to the feel of small bikes. There's a ton of aftermarket stuff for it to make it yours (read bolt on). From the two wheel vehicles you've mentioned, the Rebel fits into that type of small bike catagory. Have you looked at the Burgman or similar bigger scooters? Helix? Don't get me wrong, love my Savage. It's peppy! - Roadie |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by firsts40 on 01/05/07 at 23:33:27 Free_fall, I have a 2006 S40 I bought in July, and now have 2850 miles on it. I use it to commute 12 miles round trip to work, weather permiting, and run to "Wally-World" for a few things. I have joined a organization called the Patriot Guard Riders, and it will run the highway with them on short to mid range runs. (400 miles round trip in one day has been my longest) It will run the highway at reasonable speeds (65-70) all day. My back side is ready for a break every couple hundred miles, but we stop for gas every 80-110 miles anyways. I have a windshield, bags, and a back rest/sissy bar on it, all factory and dealer installed. I haven't had any problems with it yet, except keeping the crowd away from it when we (Patriot Guard) go to a large event. It is always the center of attention, and the HD riders joke about it only having half an engine, but they are impressed on how it runs. BUY IT, and you will not regret it. Ride it with some common sense. You have to love thye S40 as it is, for what it is, a commuter that will take you through the country winding roads, and take you down the highway without breaking the bank. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by PerrydaSavage on 01/06/07 at 03:19:50 First off, let me say that I am a mechanical moron! ;D And I have owned a Rebel and currently own an '03 Savage ... loved the Rebel ... very nice little Bike! Essentially bulletproof and easy to handle ... big plus is that it literally sips fuel! Sold the Reb and bought the LS ... was looking for a small Rebel-like Bike with more punch ... and seeing as the CMX450 Rebel is no longer in production, the Savage fit that bill TOTALLY! I am completely 110% in love with my Savage!! And yes, I literally have to beat people away from it at local Bike Nite! Now back to the "mechanical moron" part ... when I got into Bikes, I hardly knew which end of a wrench was which ... but figured, if I was gonna Ride and not pay thru the nose for every little bit of maintenance, then I'd better start learnin'! So, depite generally being scared sh!tless of screwing stuff up, I took the bull by the horns (or Bike by the bars!), read as much as I could (this website is an awesome resource!) and bought Clymer manuals ... am still a mech. moron, but here's some of the stuff I've done so far (and if I can do it then anyone can believe me!); Rebel - change oil & filter, adjust clutch, replace spark plugs and remove/reinstall battery, remove/reinstall front wheel, clean, adjust & lube drive chain. Savage - change oil & filter, adjust clutch, remove/reinstall gas tank, remove/reinstall petc0ck, replace spark plug, replace front brake pads, remove/reinstall battery, adjust handlebars, jurry-rig repair to clutch lever housing which I busted when adjusting handlebars ::) ... repair works great BTW! ;D All Bikes have their maintenance quirks no matter what you buy ... best of luck with your ultimate choice! |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by barry68v10 on 01/06/07 at 03:41:50 Free_fall, my first bike was a CM250 Custom, basically same bike as rebel but more "standard" riding position, i.e. more upright. I do prefer the "standard" riding position to any other bike I've riden, including the Savage/S40. The big reason for me, I COULDN'T go back to a 250 (other than a Ninja), is traffic on the 4 laner I take to work scoots along and I need to be able to accelerate from 60 mph from time-to-time. The 250 was fine up to 45-50 mph, but then from 55 to its top speed of 77 took a looooong time. My Savage can hit 75 in about the same time it took my CM250 to hit 45-50. Big difference when considering merging with traffic or getting out of the way of merging traffic. That being said, my CM250 was smoother, and other than the chain drive, required less mnx overall. If you don't take it on the freeway, the CM250 is a fine choice, especially considering that's what you already are used to. I must say however, check out the Suzi Bergman 400 before making a decision. It is more $, but you get a big trunk, no wet feet/legs in rain, and a transmission that keeps the engine at optimal RPMs at all times, all with nearly as much pick-up, and more top speed and MPG than the S40. On the other hand, some guys would struggle with their manhood riding a scooter ;D |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by john1652 on 01/06/07 at 05:32:09 I just love this bike and i have owned a lot of bikes pretty much bullet proof. I also love to mess with it and make it my own. that is all john |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by Savage Librarian on 01/06/07 at 08:14:35 Um...what pretty much everyone else has said. Maintenance and work on the LS650 isn't difficult, even I can do it. There's been a number of times when I'm working on basic maintence at the same time my dad is working on his Shadow. I'm usually out riding before he's even started putting his back together. The LS650 is a simple, straightforward bike. And I've not even begun thinking about what I'm going to do if my C50 has something go wrong with it... In any case, as long as you don't get too crazy with it, you're probably not going to have to do too much work or maintenance on it. Of course, as in all matters motorcycle, it's your choice. Go with what you feel most comfortable with! No point in getting a bike that you know you're not going to enjoy. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by smokey02 on 01/06/07 at 08:31:25 My 96 has the pull-back (buckhorn) handle bars and it only cost me $1800 bucks w/6000miles and new Dunlops on it. I've had it 15 months, racked up 8000 more miles (12 miles to work) and it has never stranded me. I've modded/replaced a few parts, (peg & mirror oops, shift rod, battery, muffler, bags, fork brace) and done some maint (oil, oil filter, air filter). I have some new jets to put in, and I should take off the tank for the first time and adj. the valves and look at the spark plug, but it's so darn fun to ride - I just can't stay off it long enough to work on it. Oh, yeah, it leaks a little, but of all the vehicles I've had since I started driving in '62 have leaked except one! ('94 2.7L 4 cyl T100 Toyota w/ 130,000 miles - I still have it - It has a very similar power curve to my bike. LS650 is 94x94 bore/stroke, T100 is 95x95 bore/stroke) |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by RadarORiley on 01/06/07 at 08:43:39 If sitting on the Savage felt "good" to you that is the one to get. The tank on the Rebel (in MSF class) didn't fit me right. I am no longer mechanical (too old & forgetful) & my husband never was mechanically inclined. Buy either a new bike or one that is in good condition, don't tinker with it just ride & enjoy. I keep my oil changed, dust it before riding, check the gas & tires & go. All the Mods & changes can occur with any bike, but they do not have to be done. The Savage can stand on it's own without any mods. There... my 2cents worth. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by steelwolf on 01/06/07 at 08:45:04 If you can change the oil and filter on this bike then you have got enough mechanical ability to own it. The Rebel is NOT a step up from where you are the Rebel is on the same plane. If "bulletproof" describes the Rebel then "Bullet resistant" describes the S40. You can't buy a better bike new for the money. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by Ed_L. on 01/06/07 at 10:40:21 Of course I'd say get the S40, don't worry about the oil leak, Suzuki fixed that in 2002 so it is a non issue for anything newer. The only modification that might be needed to a new S40 would be the seat lift and that only if it is uncomfortable for you to ride. Beside that it is buy and ride for you. Maintance is pretty simple, just oil changes, I've almost 5,000 miles on my spark plug and havent noticed any decrease in performance so it doesn't seem that plug life is an issue either. Just because a lot of the riders on this board have tweeked thier bikes it doesn't mean it is needed, we just love wrenching on the big single to see what it can do. Can't help with the Rebel, never had the chance to own one so can't give you any comparision between the two. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by r80rt on 01/06/07 at 11:44:00 My wife sold her GZ250 and got a S40, she's never been happier, she's 4'10 and 90 lbs and says the 250 ain't enough bike. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by georgekathe on 01/06/07 at 13:20:11 I think the Savage is a great bike to ride/own. like others have said, no need to mess with it. wouldn't get new one & lose lots on depreciation - just one a year or so old in excellent condition. agree I'd rather not have forward pegs (don't go with the almost flat bars I installed & the way I prefer to sit & ride but can't have everything), but that is just my style. really maintenance should be minimal - just regular oil & filter changes (I happen to change both @ 1000 miles as I don't ride too much now & as it is a small filter & bike is a 96 want to ensure it is doing a good job. don't have to tinker with it (to be honest wish I'd not changed the muffler as could do with less noise & I get a slight pop on deceleration I never got before I just can't lose. however, when I changed oem muffler was almost welded to header so had to mangle it to get it off so can't put back on!) so, don't be put off by what is said on the site - thgink like everyone - all bikes have quirks but think some of trouble (mine included) we on site have with our own steeds is our love for tinkering. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by free_fall on 01/06/07 at 19:34:42 Thanks for all the thoughtful and encouraging replies; I feel more reassured now. The real test, of course, will come when I can get a chance to try out both bikes for myself, hopefully within the next couple of months or so. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by georgekathe on 01/06/07 at 22:13:34 Like to hear what you decide to get in the end! Happy riding, whatever it is! ;D |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by Paladin on 01/07/07 at 08:13:24 free_fall wrote:
Where in SoCal are you? I need a good excuse for a ride and am willing to swap a ride on Thumper for lunch. (Of course it'll have to wait 'til this deep freeze eases up.) |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by Greg_650 on 01/07/07 at 08:38:06 r80rt wrote:
My spouse did the same thing. The GZ250 is a good little bike, but no top end. You go through the gears so fast, and then there you are going 40 and waiting... One thing about the 2000 model was a really great seat...they changed them a couple years later. I also liked the flip up seat to access the tools or lock the helmet. Those were 2 options that would have been nice on the Savage. Anyway, after a year of that little 250, she traded for a 650. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by Phelonius on 01/08/07 at 10:41:21 Buying a motorcycle is a bit like buying a new pair of shoes. It does not matter how pretty they are if they do not fit the wearer or are not designed to do the things the wearer wants to do. If you get one that does not do what you want or fit you properly, you will not be happy with it. That is why you should never buy one without a trial ride first. Asking questions about maintainence is a good start, your OK there cause you are asking owners who have no vested proffit interest in what you purchase. However, nothing beats experience. If you can,t get a trial ride from the dealer, do not expect to be able to trust him for maintainence questions either. If you have a friend who will allow you a ride on the machine of choice, that is best since you will not feel pressured to buy from an aggressive salesperson. As for mechanically challenged persons, remember that like any new thing, it is possible to learn and not that difficult if all you want is to be able to care for your own machine. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by necropsy on 01/10/07 at 06:56:23 I, like Perrydasavage started out on a Rebel 250. Great LITTLE bike to start out on. Rode it for a little over a year, made the trip down to Port Dover on it, and when I got back, I knew I needed a bigger bike. Bought an S40, because that's what I originally wanted, and haven't regretted it one bit. The foot pegs are only a little more forward on the LS650, barely even noticable. The power of the LS650 is above and beyond what the Rebel outputs, and I would NOT take the Rebel out on the highway. The Savage requires less maintenance than the Rebel, and is actually easier to work on considering that everything is single and less cramped. The only thing I can think of where the Rebel actually is better than the LS650, is gas mileage. Rebel got 72 MPG and the LS650 gets about 50 MPG. A new Rebel Vs. a new LS650 cost wise, is only a couple hundred dollars. Advice from someone who's been there: Get the LS650/S40/Savage !! http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2005/12/14/bikepics-483045-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by Kropatchek on 01/10/07 at 07:12:40 necropsy wrote:
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Greetz Kropatchek |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by free_fall on 01/10/07 at 10:44:09 As I'll be paying cash, I could theoretically buy the Rebel tomorrow, while the S40 would still be 7-8 paychecks away. So, much as I might want it NOW!, I'm a-going to take it slow. Build a solid foundation by talking to you guys & the guys on the Rebel boards, spend a little money in the meantime on my current ride, take the MSF (when it warms up a bit), etc. - all leading up to those all-important test rides. Which bike is more comfortable to ride will be the determining factor, of course; however, I realize that the other side of the equation - how comfortable I am as a rider - is equally important. So, while the S40 has the advantage of being more freeway-capable than the Rebel, that has to be balanced by how comfortable I would feel taking it (or any bike) on the freeway, which at this point would be nada, zip, zero. I look at the S40 in this regard a bit of future-proofing on my part (tho, again, the Rebel should be adequate for whatever little bits of freeway driving I might envision, say from where the freeway feeder road ends to where it starts back up again lol). I feel fairly comfy doing 50 on the main roads here; the thought of going 65 in the slow lane of the interstate with semis in front of and behind me kinda gives me the willies. Thanks for the pic, Necropsy - doesn't help much, tho, cause they're both good-looking bikes ... ok, ok, the S40's a little better looking. lol |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by justin_o_guy on 01/10/07 at 11:31:41 Since you've been riding already you have some experience. Here's my bet. If you go with the Honda you will be wishing you hadn't in a very short time. The additional performance of the Suzuki is big. It's not scary stuff. It can't wheelie out from under ya. It won't hit the power band & be at the end of your arms & can't roll off the throttle. ( I had that happen on a GS 1100 & skeert the hekkoutta me) The Zuki is low at the seat. I was very weak when I got mine, after an extended illness. I was much weaker than I though & very wobbly. I should not have gotten a bike. BUT, it is so well mannered & easily managed I never dropped it. The low CG is important to confidence. I felt safer on it than any bike I ever tossed a leg across. Not that I have that much experience, but enough to see the value in the design of the Zuki. Once the confidence built up ( & the warranty was over) & I had found this place I decided to mess with it. I am having great fun piddling & getting better performance out of it. I have tanked my mileage but for now I dont care. I may put it back closer to stock later after I get some of the "Need for speed" outta my system. Whatever, but about you & your needs. How tall are you? What do you weigh? There are some very small women who ride the Zuki. There is at least one who weighs less than 100 pounds here. I think she is 4'9" or so. If someone of that stature can handle this machine that should give ya a good feeling about your own ability. I would consider the weight difference between the Honda & the Zuki, Consider their respective seat heights. A heavier machine with a lower seat can feel lighter than the lighter machine.CG is a big factor. The Zuki has low ground clearance. It's easy to drag a peg. I haven't ridden the Honda & have no frame of reference. One factor I looked at that made me happy with the choice I made was the fact that this thing has enough SQUIRT that if I mess up & pull out in front of something it will get on poutta the way pretty well.. I don't think the Honda accelerates with too much gusto. Yea, that's about all I've got, But, the Zuki is a ton sexier l;ooking. & with a different pipe, it soounds OHHh soo nice.. I hope you are happy with your choice a yaer or two after the decision. I personally believe the Zuki to be the hands down winner unless MPG is very important. Then, the Honda returns such fuel efficiency it would be the winner. BUT, The Ninja 250 delivers BIG MPG & is very easy to manage. I am considering one, cuz it's a fun bike with a long history, Cheap to buy & maintain & easy to ride. Sounds just like another bike to have in the garage. Oh, I am 5'6 with 30" inseam. I can flatfoot the Ninja & I can stand over the Zuki with a few inches clearance on the seat. Good Luck Free Fall, & I wish you the best. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by geo on 01/10/07 at 19:58:42 The Suzuki LS650/S40 is not a service and maintenance problem if you leave it in its stock configuration. Most of the stuff that is scaring you is owners attempts to get more performance out of their machine. There is a lot of performance that can be gained. That is why this website is successful. If the stock configuration is adequate for you then you need to do nothing except basic maintenance. This is not enough for most people, so they want to change the appearance of your machine. Granted there is not much after market stuff for the LS650. People do find a way to personalize their machine. Next they want to change the performance of their machine. First it is Muffler. Second it is air filter. 3. It is re jet the carb. 4. It is saddle bags. 5. It is the wind screen. 6. It is a different seat. 7. On and On. You need to understand motorcycle owners. Every motorcycle owner tries to tailor his machine to his own taste. |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by Jodicline on 01/28/07 at 00:42:01 hello everyone I'm new to this site. My first bike was a used 2002 Honda Rebel in Mint condition. LOVED that bike...still have it its for sale for my husand can get a bigger bike. I just bought a 1995 Savage 650 with 16,000 miles on it. It's in mint condition and my husand did the normal tune up, new plugs, air filter and oil change and re jetted the carb in one day plus took off most of the pipe for the muffler and put a cherry bomb on it. I LOVE THIS BIKE and I'm 5 foot and 90 pounds... This is a perfect step up from the Rebel |
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Title: Re: ok, you guys are scaring me Post by Tammi on 01/31/07 at 11:43:21 I don't think I could add to any of the excellent advice already offered here, but I would like to say that if you buy an S40, do the spark plug door modification and you'll never have to take the seat off again to access the spark plug: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1124016763 Cheers. Tammi |
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