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Title: consuming oil with a vengence Post by BurnPgh on 07/28/08 at 20:33:14 2 days ago I topped off my oil and took about 150mi ride with average speed around 60mph. Yesterday i rode another 230mi with a buddy of mine again with an average speed of 60mph. I checked my oil today and it was at the low oil mark. Topped it off with 400ml of oil. Theres no funny sounds, smells, or smoke. No visible oil leaks. Seems like an excessive consumption of oil. My regular rides are about 50-100mi a day but at varying speeds, usually between 30-40mph and I only top the oil off a bit every couple weeks with no issues. Do i have an issue? What might it be conisdering theres no signs of leaking or burning? |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by verslagen1 on 07/28/08 at 20:39:40 Where you the guy with white deposits on the valves? have you ran the engine with 'choke' on excessively? total miles? |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by BurnPgh on 07/28/08 at 21:48:45 no despoits. I actually just did a valve adjustment. I use the choke only for about 30 seconds on start up. After about 30 seconds with the choke it actually start slowing down and chugging as opposed to thumping so i turn it off. Now about 12500 mi. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by mick on 07/29/08 at 00:12:22 is the crank case dry? how about near the drain plug? I change my oil every 500 miles and I don't use a drop,I get the same oil out as I put in,I'm at 13000 miles on a 02. try draining you breather tube ,see how much comes out. Seems to me you are leaking rather than using,find it ,fix it. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by SV og LS on 07/29/08 at 02:53:37 Our Savage drinks a bit more than that without any mentionable leaks and no visible smoking cold or hot. The bike's a former east German bitsa, 93 or 94 engine on a 1991 frame and exact total mileage unknown (at least 80000 kms). Compression's quite good so it's prolly shot valve seals. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by mpescatori on 07/29/08 at 04:30:19 I wouldn't want to steal this thread but... Yesterday I tok the bike,m which I thought to be without much oil in the sumo, and looked through the little view window. Nothing - pitch black. Assuming this meant there was no oil, I topped up, little by little, until I eventually realized I was topping up a good three pints (!!!) Topday the bike started but is very lazy. She will NOT rev beyond 4000 rpm (I have a tach) and sounds... thicker than usual. Upon arrival, she was "smoking" oil vapors everywhere, I almost thought she was going to catch fire. After some two hours I had an easy ounce pooled under the engine. OK... have I overfilled? Is the piston laboring because of excessive crankcase pressure? Can I make it home (I guess so...) I plan to emty the cranckcase, measure the oil and refill two liters... But, how can I clean the viewing window ? :-[ |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by mpescatori on 07/29/08 at 04:44:34 PS You won't believe how messy the entire engine, frame and rear suspension are .. :-/ |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by skrapiron on 07/29/08 at 05:35:03 My Savage used about 100ml every 1000 miles. Lately it has been closer to 400ml every 1000 miles. I think your oil consumption is pretty much normal. I had an old Ford pickup that would use a quart of oil every 1000 miles. Took it to every mechanic I could find and they told me not to worry. All engines use some oil. Some more than others. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by T Mack 1 on 07/29/08 at 08:05:48 6A5D5A46784F40280 wrote:
Check the little tube under the bike. The one with a cap on it that goes into the bottom of the air box. Noite: have a pan under it..... trust me.... On a side note, I went on an hour ride. A few hours after I got back I checked the oil level. It was just below the low mark... :o First time in the year since the rebuild. So, I topped it up to the fill line. After a day or two of comuting to work, I checked it again. It was high, at around the top of the sight glass... :o . So.... where did the oil disappear to and then reappear back from.....the twilight zone?? :-? |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by BurnPgh on 07/29/08 at 11:48:36 is there actually a tube from the airbox? If so it seems the PO removed the tube and just capped the hole. In any case I removed the air filter to get an idea of what might end up all over my hands and my bike. Bone dry inside so the oil didnt go there. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by T Mack 1 on 07/29/08 at 12:10:37 5265627E407778100 wrote:
Yea... there is suppose to be a tube/hose to drain the oil condensate from the crankcase breather tube. The breather tube comes in on the carb side of the air filter so the tube should also be there. When I did mine shortly after I got the bike, I got a few onces out (maybe 2 shot glasses full.... ). That was a year ago..... I guess I shoudl re-check.... |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by YonuhAdisi on 07/29/08 at 12:12:36 I just unplugged mine to drain a few days ago. The first time I had done that and I have had the bike going on three years now. You wouldn't believe the mess that came out of it. I was dang near sick. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by mick on 07/29/08 at 15:45:41 [quote author=322F3A2C3C3E2B302D365F0 link=1217302394/0#5 date=1217331019]I wouldn't want to steal this thread but... Yesterday I tok the bike,m which I thought to be without much oil in the sumo, and looked through the little view window. Nothing - pitch black. Assuming this meant there was no oil, I topped up, little by little, until I eventually realized I was topping up a good three pints (!!!) Topday the bike started but is very lazy. She will NOT rev beyond 4000 rpm (I have a tach) and sounds... thicker than usual. Upon arrival, she was "smoking" oil vapors everywhere, I almost thought she was going to catch fire. After some two hours I had an easy ounce pooled under the engine. OK... have I overfilled? Is the piston laboring because of excessive crankcase pressure? Can I make it home (I guess so...) I plan to emty the cranckcase, measure the oil and refill two liters... But, how can I clean the viewing window ? :-[/quote] I bet you a dollar to a donut that you have way over filled your engine oil, the window was not black from dirt ,it's black from dirty oil,the window didn't show a line because the oil is to high,drain it asap refill with 2 and a bit quarts,lets hope you haven't done to much damage. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by Ramsforever on 07/29/08 at 18:08:55 I have seen the level change. That's why it drives me nutz. Seems after it's hot the level is higher. But when I change it, I start with a US Quart, then a little at a time until it is at the levels. The book says 1.9 quarts without a filter change. There is no way that much goes in. I drain about 1.3 quarts when I change it. 2007 S40 I would appreciate any advice on the right way to do it. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by Jay on 07/29/08 at 18:54:18 1E67072B29217B4A0 wrote:
Check the little tube under the bike. The one with a cap on it that goes into the bottom of the air box. Noite: have a pan under it..... trust me.... On a side note, I went on an hour ride. A few hours after I got back I checked the oil level. It was just below the low mark... :o First time in the year since the rebuild. So, I topped it up to the fill line. After a day or two of comuting to work, I checked it again. It was high, at around the top of the sight glass... :o . So.... where did the oil disappear to and then reappear back from.....the twilight zone?? :-? [/quote] I've had the same thing happen to me. Now I use a carpenters level when I check the engine oil. Just a little bit of sway too much either way makes a huge difference in the sight glass. Too bad. At first I thought that maybe the Savage was gonna can solve the oil crisis! :) |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by T Mack 1 on 07/29/08 at 19:06:21 52594154480909380 wrote:
I've had the same thing happen to me. Now I use a carpenters level when I check the engine oil. Just a little bit of sway too much either way makes a huge difference in the sight glass. Too bad. At first I thought that maybe the Savage was gonna can solve the oil crisis! :)[/quote] I use the same block of wood all the time. It doesn't make the bike perfectly level but it's at the point that I keep my hand on the bike so it doesn't tip. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by BurnPgh on 07/30/08 at 16:45:08 so im good then? |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by mick on 07/30/08 at 19:00:19 0E3D312F3A332E392A392E5C0 wrote:
Always change the filter when you change the oil otherwise you are mixing old and new,or dirty with clean, you don't put on dirty skivies after a shower do you?. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by Ramsforever on 07/30/08 at 20:47:27 I don't wear underwear. Just something I go used to. ;D I think my craziness is due to "not a level surface". The bike is stock. No nothing, not even a gas gage :o Peace brothers. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by verslagen1 on 07/30/08 at 21:50:36 64606A627D616C6560646C70090 wrote:
Always change the filter when you change the oil otherwise you are mixing old and new,or dirty with clean, you don't put on dirty skivies after a shower do you?.[/quote] So how do you get the rest of the oil out? |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by Charon on 07/31/08 at 06:11:00 You can never get out all of the old oil. There is a little pool in the head you can't drain, for one thing. There are always little nooks and crannies with oil in them, as well as the oil that sticks to every surface in the engine. Besides, as soon as you start the engine, the oil starts to become "dirty" again anyway. Changing oil by mileage isn't really a very good way to do it. But it is the best we have, since the motorcycle isn't fitted with a hour meter. Running the motorcycle on the highway is the easiest on oil, because the machine gets hot enough to evaporate out the water produced by burning gasoline. And the high speed provides plenty of airflow so the engine doesn't get too hot. Running it in town on short trips is worst. The highway will result in fairly low hours for the mileage interval, while city driving gives a lot of time for the mileage. I used to drive a semi. The company didn't change oil based on either mileage or engine time. They changed oil based on fuel burned. When the truck had burned a certain amount of fuel they notified me to have the oil changed. They knew the fuel consumption, because I used a company card to buy it and they kept track. In case you are curious, it was about 3000 gallons of fuel burned, and ran in the area of 20,000 miles. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/31/08 at 13:03:36 20/3 =6.666666666 miles / gallon. Yikes! Not a lot of MPG there. |
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Title: Re: consuming oil with a vengence Post by Charon on 07/31/08 at 13:26:33 Yup, 6 miles per gallon. I was driving a 1999 Freightliner Classic with a Detroit Diesel 12.7 liter engine, derated to 375 horsepower. If I had managed to average (I think) 6.1 mpg I would have earned a small bonus. If I had chosen to shut off the engine when I slept (and slept in the cold) I might just have managed it. Their estimate was that the engine burned a gallon per hour idling. It seems to me the engine held something like five gallons of oil, and the difference between FULL and ADD on the dipstick was one gallon. They issued oil to us in gallon containers. My truck usually used one gallon a bit over halfway into the oil change interval. I don't know what brand they used, but I believe it was 15W-40. |
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