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Title: AMERICAN STONE Post by LANCER on 07/25/10 at 04:19:43 http://images1f.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp%3A96%3Enu%3D323%3A%3E639%3E697%3EWSNRCG%3D339674%3B587339nu0mrj |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/25/10 at 04:37:43 Convinced to drink the poison in December, 1913. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by Stimpy on 07/25/10 at 05:27:48 Why?? What do you have against crossword puzzles now?!! >:( :D ;D = December 1913 = Monday 01: Ford Motor Company introduces the first moving assembly line. Friday 12: Mona Lisa recovered in Florence, two years after it was stolen Monday 15: Nicaragua becomes a signatory to the Buenos Aires copyright treaty. Sunday 21: First crossword puzzle published Tuesday 23: The Federal Reserve Act becomes law Monday 29: The first serial motion picture, The Unwelcome Throne is released by Seligs Polyscope Company. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by MMRanch on 07/25/10 at 06:46:23 Justin what happened in 1913 ? OR Do I want to Know ? |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by Stimpy on 07/25/10 at 06:58:33 Tuesday 23, Dec 1913: The Federal Reserve Act becomes law. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by Charon on 07/25/10 at 07:43:37 Many have complained about the Federal Reserve. It was ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court, so that argument cannot be used. It was established in an attempt to correct wrongs of the past, although it cannot be proven to have done so. But, none of the people who have complained have shown any other system DEMONSTRATED TO WORK. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/25/10 at 07:51:04 That someone decided to announce what is CLEARLY UNconstitutional as Constitutional means nothing to me. REad the Constitution & then report back. The Federal REserve is not Constitutional. Getting some clowns to say it is changes nothing. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by drharveys on 07/25/10 at 11:36:21 What's constitutional is whatever five sitting supreme court justices agree on. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/25/10 at 11:51:03 I disagree. Its what the constitution says it is, not what some jerks say it is. I can read & I dont need someone telling me what it says. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by Serowbot on 07/25/10 at 12:47:32 So,.. is having a Supreme Court unconstitutional?... If so,... who is in charge of interpreting the constitution?... If not,.. then you have to go by their decisions... |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by LostArtist on 07/25/10 at 14:10:22 Okay, why is the FED unconstitutional? not saying that the fed is a good or bad idea, just educate me one the constitution here |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by BurnPgh on 07/25/10 at 15:24:50 The Federal Reserve Act (ch. 6, 38 Stat. 251, enacted December 23, 1913, 12 U.S.C. ch.3) is the Act of Congress that created the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States of America, and granted it the legal authority to issue legal tender. Rights of Congress ....To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; ....To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. Congress passed their right/responsibility onto a private entity as they considered it "necessary and proper" to regulate the nations financial system to prevent financial "panics". Doesnt mean it was a good idea, and theres no doubt the decision was not entirely in the average persons best interest, but it seems entirely constitutional to me. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by mick on 07/25/10 at 15:36:28 If JOG says the supreme court judges are jerks and clowns,it must be so,he is all knowing and all seeing,he thinks. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by Charon on 07/25/10 at 15:51:53 Best I can tell, assorted courts have held that the Federal Reserve Act is constitutional. The question I have is not that, but what would the replacement be? The Federal Reserve Act was passed in the absence of a central banking system and was intended to prevent problems caused by that lack. We have had it demonstrated that the Federal Reserve System isn't perfect, and that the absence of a system isn't perfect either. So, what is the proposal to fix the problems? Preferably, a solution that has been DEMONSTRATED TO WORK somewhere. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by mick on 07/25/10 at 15:56:32 4C414E4345521217200 wrote:
I have to ask,what in gods name is INTERESTING about the stone ? stupid,yes. untrue,yes. interesting, No. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/25/10 at 16:23:25 At this point, Id be willing to try about snything that falls inside the Austrian economics model. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by drharveys on 07/25/10 at 18:13:54 We have a two-party system. It's not actually in the Constitution, but that's how it's worked out. Whichever party is in opposition has its share of pi$$ers and moaners -- the current opposition has set a new standard! ;D |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by Starlifter on 07/25/10 at 19:02:47 If JOG says the supreme court judges are jerks and clowns,it must be so. They are. JOG is correct. I have to ask,what in gods name is INTERESTING about the stone ? stupid,yes. untrue,yes. interesting, No. Mick is also correct. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/25/10 at 19:50:34 The federal reserve is a central bank, spoken of by the Founding Fathers as DANGEROUS & they wanted none of it. They wrote the Constitution to make it ILLEGAL to have one. The Fed`Reserve is our 3rd one. Andrew Jacksons proudest moment was Killing the 2nd one. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by BurnPgh on 07/25/10 at 21:02:57 what section or article of the constitution expressly prohibits or even hints at the danger of a central banking system? |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/25/10 at 22:18:31 The part that tell congress they are responsible for coining the $$$. It doesnt give them the option to hire it done. Youd have to do some reading to know about the threats a central bank creates. Not just one thing in one place |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by verslagen1 on 07/25/10 at 22:36:46 6B747275686F5E6E5E66747833010 wrote:
Not that I don't agree with you, but I going for the blood curdling screem... What would you prefer, the federal reserve as it is now, or the current sitting congress in control of that money? |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/25/10 at 23:07:25 Congress. That way we would be creating interest free money. As is, every dollar we use has a debt attached. Read Creature from jekyll island. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by verslagen1 on 07/25/10 at 23:43:30 so you don't think that would be the wolfs guarding the sheep? |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/10 at 09:30:47 No, the $$$ is being spent, either way. One way, its interest free. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/10 at 09:33:03 36203A332024372B21520 wrote:
Could be because weve reached a new level of transgression against the people coupled with an awakening by those people as to the depths of the problems. The left is walking away from Obama, his poll numbers are at a horrible low. So low, in fact, that even a Clinton advisor has stated that Obama will not survive w/o a big terror attack. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by mick on 07/26/10 at 10:55:44 Justin, over all,with all things concidered, what in the he11 difference does it make to you,you still get up in the am have breakfast,then lunch and dinner,your mortgage payment is the same,unless you have the pink slip.In other words nothing will happen to you personally regardless of who is running the fed, or not running it. You must get off reading all these factoids that do nothing to help.they will run the government exactly the way they want,the only way you have to change anything is one vote,tha's it ONE VOTE. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/10 at 10:58:50 Your argument is based in a complete lack of knowledge, Mick. Read the fliipin BOOK or shut the Heck UP. A 580 pg book is not exactly a factoid, hossfly. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by mick on 07/26/10 at 11:22:51 2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:
I still say what difference does it make to you personally ? I would rather read "War and Peace" again, a much more interesting read. Anyway what in the puck are you going to do about it ? hoss-sh1t |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/10 at 11:30:19 The difference it makes to me AND YOU, is the purchasing power of the dollar. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by LostArtist on 07/26/10 at 12:40:24 isn't the purchasing value of a dollar reflected more in wages and salaries being depressed as companies increase the cost of their items via inflation? and yes I see that the current system with the FED only increases inflation, but you'd still have inflation with or without the FED. but that's how the rich ruling class wants it, news flash, the rich rule the world. wait, that's news?? |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by LostArtist on 07/26/10 at 12:45:20 oh, and how is any of this Obama's fault?? the headstone is clearly a slap at the election of Obama into office. I know he's not doing the best with balancing the budget or anything but like anyone has for a long time. suddenly you are waking up to this and blaming Obama?? |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/10 at 12:49:51 While we continue to behave out of the propaganda weve been treated with all opur lives, we havent an opportunity to understand the real of whats happening. Until people expose themselves to the information about how the central bank really operates, & the impact they have on our lives, we havent got a hope of gaining control over our lives & our futures. Seriously, have I presented myself in a way that would make me clearly an idiot? I dont mean, have I said things you dont agree with, I am asking, has my manner of saying things made me appear a moron? I think Im reasonably well spoken, reasonably able to make a point & generally, an intelligent guy. If you agree, then why work so hard to make what I say seem the rantings of a fool? Why not go study? Why not LOOK into what Im saying, instead of just arguing against it, based on what weve all been taught all our lives? Sure, weve all been taught the fed is a good thing. Thats what PROpaganda IS! |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by LostArtist on 07/26/10 at 13:39:32 justin, you always come off as a guy that's so passionate about what he's saying that you don't care what others say back. as a clearly practical matter, there is almost nothing any of us can do to help you in your goal of taking down the FED, since that is not the end all and be all of most politician's talking points, even if it's in there. Also I don't feel it's unconstitutional, it's a bad idea maybe, but so is borrowing money to pay for your house, or anything. . yet we do it all the time |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by mick on 07/26/10 at 17:16:56 57484E4954536252625A48440F3D0 wrote:
no wonder I don't get it,I get paid in pounds stirling from my british pension.We do have a central bank though,"The Bank of England",it's on Threadneedle Street in the heart of London if you ever go visit,and if they let you in. ;D, you should check it out, you are free to wander about ,Remember Britain was a free country long before this one was. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/10 at 18:19:36 55766A6D586B6D706A6D190 wrote:
Do you have a copy of the constitution? Have you read the constitution? Are you not aware that we had many years of growth & prosperity until the bankers started engineering crises in order to get the fed put in? Since 1913, all weve seen is erosion of our dollar. It is so endemic that people believe inflation is the only way an economy can work. Its not true. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by BurnPgh on 07/26/10 at 21:21:03 657A7C7B6661506050687A763D0F0 wrote:
It doesnt forbid them from hiring someone to do it either. It does tell them they have authority to pass any laws necessary and prudent to fulfill their responsibilities. They deemed it necessary and prudent in light of financial panic to turn the task over to an outside party. I know the central banking system is atrocious and we have debt on our money. I agree with everything you say EXCEPT that its unconstitutional. Its wrong, and foolish for congress to have done as it did, but it is not unconstitutional. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by LostArtist on 07/26/10 at 21:24:06 The constitution appoints the responsibility of currency to the congress yes? The congress then outsourced the production of money to the FED to pay the FED they do the interest thing right? I don't have a good answer for the gold and silver part, anyway, I am not disagreeing with you that this was poor choice and that the bankers and all that were and are implicit in this corruption. This is what happens when you allow rich people to rule your nation and there's nothing in the constitution about that. is there?? |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by mick on 07/27/10 at 01:40:17 183B27201526203D2720540 wrote:
It's the very old saying that has come to light here. It's the old golden rule,he who has the gold ,rules. You and I can hum and hah all day long but you and I both know,that is the absolute truth. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/27/10 at 02:36:05 The congress then outsourced the production of money to the FED to pay the FED they do the interest thing right There is No provision to ALLOW them to do that. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by LostArtist on 07/27/10 at 11:56:10 so, if your boss gives your a job and you're a manager, and you pass it down to one of your subordinates and watch them to make sure they do the job at a satisfactory level, do you think it'd be reasonable for your boss to fire you? |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/27/10 at 13:06:29 I appreciate the analogy & understand where youre coming from, BUT, I, ME & you, WE are the bosses here. Are you seriously telling me you WANT to pay interest on every dollar in circulation instead of NOT? |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by Trippah on 07/27/10 at 13:07:54 I would note that congress has opted out of many of its responsibilities. They have given the right to wage war to the President (the Congress does do the rubber stamp thing but never declares war) because of the need for rapid response (think ICBM,s). ;) People are incarcerated in prisons that are run by businesses..I'm sorry, I thought that was what we have a very large Bureau of Prisons for. We have outsourced providing security to our State Department to companies like Blackwater (geee, how's that working for ya) ;D ;D I don't agree that the banks have, by themselves, run up debt through the FED. Going off the Gold standard made it all much more flexble. For those of you who are x-military, you'll recognize the BOHICA syndrome. The debt service to our banks is crippling our economy. Maybee Fidel wold venture North and Nationalize them, eliminating the debt with a stroke of the pen. Actually, it is our national pastime of going to war (that is never a war) cotinuously without raising taxes to cover same (that would be sooo unpopular)that has got us well down the road to national insovency. That and the ever increasing burdens hidden under the rubric of social security (too many to mention) that the hidden social agenda funds. The real truth is that corporate America has outsourced most labor jobs and that has killed the need for middle managers as well. This is sad crap and is why I 'd rather think about motorcycles. 8-) |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/27/10 at 13:17:00 This is sad crap and is why I 'd rather think about motorcycles. Back to top Agreed. Sadly, that wont solve our problem. Only having the masses understanding the problems will give is the option of turning the tides. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by bill67 on 07/27/10 at 14:28:50 Catholics don't believe in divorce but a marriage can be annulled.Same with constitution they do with it what they want. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by BurnPgh on 07/28/10 at 15:30:54 415E585F42457444744C5E52192B0 wrote:
The Congress shall have Power To... To borrow money on the credit of the United States;... To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by mick on 07/28/10 at 21:47:37 617E787F62655464546C7E72390B0 wrote:
how will you inform the masses on a motorcycle forum ? |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/10 at 22:19:04 Ya know, Burn, maybe, maybe,, you have something there. But, IF you do, the people who wrote it screwed up big time, because Im pretty sure they were against a central bank. In fact, Andrew Jacksons PROUDEST accomplishment, as he stated on his death bed, was his destroying the 2nd central bank. IF a central bank was what the founding fathers thot was a good idea, then why was it so hard fought against by them>? For a nation to borrow something against its good credit is one thing, but to set it up to borrow EVERY DIME FOREVER & Forever is another matter, isnt it? The way it id designed now, its impossible to have a dollar that IS NOT borrowed.. You cant operate anything the way this is set up & NOT go bankrupt. Its not possible. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/10 at 22:19:44 585C565E415D50595C58504C350 wrote:
how will you inform the masses on a motorcycle forum ?[/quote] I dont have a TV show, so I do what I can with what I have. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by Starlifter on 07/29/10 at 05:37:15 Unfortunately "We the People" don't drive this train, we just shovel the coal. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by mick on 07/29/10 at 23:59:01 496E7B6876737C6E7F681A0 wrote:
So what is the answer Star ? Rebelion ? I think we are out gunned. I only have a 357 colt revolver and about 1000 of ammo,and a 20 guage with 500 rounds, a 22 semi auto and 2000 rounds, And a pocket knife,Thats it I'm ready. |
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Title: Re: AMERICAN STONE Post by Starlifter on 07/30/10 at 14:42:37 The answer my friend is blow'en the wind...the answer is blow'en in the wind ~Bob Dylan :D |
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