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Title: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/10 at 18:07:11 http://www.seattleglobaljustice.org/2010/08/for-immediate-release-gates-foundation-invests-in-monsanto/ Well, if not, hes sure not investing to do things thatarent harmful. Hell, I would never invest a dine in Monsanto, even IF I knew it would make a dollar. Be like investing in the rope Ill be hung by. Ohh, Ill answer the ??,,, YES, he is.. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by WebsterMark on 08/29/10 at 06:42:55 to quote from the article "Monsanto has already negatively impacted agriculture in African countries. For example, in South Africa in 2009, Monsanto’s genetically modified maize failed to produce kernels and hundreds of farmers were devastated" Excuse me but how much can you negatively impact agriculture in Africa? I mean, could Monsanto do worse??? Africa is a dung hole. Greatest source of natural resources on the planet controlled by a series of warlords content with their backward living, 40 year life spans and misery for everyone during those short lives. Yea, it would be a shame if some company managed to develop some kind of agriculture there with techniques a little more modern than the 1700's.... |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/29/10 at 09:13:00 You dont know much about Monsatan, do ya Mark? |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by WebsterMark on 08/29/10 at 17:04:13 I live in St. Louis, of course I know about Monsanto. I don't subscibe to the "Monsanto genetics are killing the known world" viewpoint, no. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/29/10 at 17:15:54 Then, you are clueless about what theyre actualy doing. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by WebsterMark on 08/30/10 at 04:52:08 okay jog, what? Monsanto is trying to develop genetically engineered seeds that out perform the competition so they can capture a larger market share? Wow.... how novel of them..... |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/10 at 09:10:36 If thats all it did, no prob, but that isnt how it works. GM foods create serious problems, But, In order to know about it, youll need to go look for info on that. Its too involved to be dragging in one support after another to show you. Notice how many Bees are gone? Look to GM crops. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by WebsterMark on 08/30/10 at 09:42:45 you conspiracy guys need to get on the same page, I thought the bee story was due to global warming. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Serowbot on 08/30/10 at 10:03:08 Monsanto?... is about money,... not sinister evil, nor humanitarian... but, I wouldn't trust them to do the right thing, unless it made money.... Bill Gates a eugenicist?... right up there with Richard Gere is gay, and Obama is a Muslim... nuckin' futs... ... and don't worry about the bees,... they all came here... :-?... |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by mick on 08/30/10 at 11:19:14 4056415C44515C47330 wrote:
Well there must be zillions of bees I thought they all came here. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/10 at 01:03:40 Monsanto GM modified crop foods are: 1) expensive seeds to purchase 2) require you to spray the crop with Roundup (which ain't cheap) to make it "work" 3) give you a 25% reduced yield to the natural varieties local to your area (this hurts, not helps overall food production). 4) are mono-sourced from one US variety and are prone to certain specific plant diseases that are running more rampant now that most of the XX crop is the Monsanto variety (think Irish Potato Famine for the last time this sort of thing happened on a world scale) 5) are genetic dominants -- pollen blown by the wind is converting all existing "other" types to the Monsanto patented genome by natural air borne pollination. 6) once 25% of your existing natural variety of say, canola seed gets contaminated (pollinated) by Monsanto pollen from your neighbor's fields, then Monsanto lawyers show up to sue you for 25% of the value of your crop because you stole their patented technology -- and they win because they have a strong representation of ex-board members sitting on the FDA and the EPA and working for and on the Congressional oversight committees for Patent Office, FDA and EPA and all the legal apparatus that sits behind that. Monsanto contributes more $$$ to those control and oversight groups of politicians than any other source. Your current sitting Secretary of the FDA was a Monsanto board member fer chrissakes. 7) you are automatically sued now if you save seed from this years crop to seed next years crop for whatever percentage Monsanto's sampling of your fields shows that Monsanto's patented genome shows up in your fields -- even if you can prove you NEVER bought their seed or never even used roundup on your fields EVER .... This is Monsanto's way of forcing you to buy their seeds each year to seed your fields. And it is working. 8) If you fight them Monsanto winds up owning your farm after you go belly up with the legal costs of fighting them endlessly and losing ... and losing .... and losing. 9) and to pull my cork completely, Monsanto just went to the International World Seed Bank that is under the permafrost in Greenland and drew some of all varieties of all sorts of seeds AND IS CURRENTLY GENETICALLY MODIFYING AND PATENTING EVERY SEED TYPE NOT ALREADY COVERED BY A US PATENT (and that is all the old heirloom varieties that the World Seed Bank was set up to preserve in case of plant disease) After the patent paperwork goes through, Monsanto owns that crop completely too, including all the backup varieties that folks might try to go to in case they get sick of paying the yearly Monsanto Food Tax. 10) Monsanto owns over 93% of the large commercial seed companies in the world at this point in time (bought most, sued some). Monsanto patents control over 90% of the cereal grain varieties that currently planted, and at the rate of cross contamination of the 20% of large commercial farms who are holding out against them (who are already under legal action BTW) they will own those farms within 5 years or they will toe the line and pay Monsanto to seed their fields 100% each spring. 11) by working diligently on the seed bank seeds for all other crops, Monsanto is teeing themselves up to own it all by 2025 (using their successful modify, patent, sell and sue business model). 12) Monsanto is working within the legal systems of each major market segment of Europe and Asia to extend their patents to all nations. As each nation allows them the patent right to their genetically modified seeds within 15 years Monsanto will own the food production in those countries. =================================== Now, why do I give a shite about this topic? Monsanto's initial Round Up plant was in Fayetteville NC where I live and I have watched proudly as the Monsanto success story unfolded over the years into a friggin food monster that now begins to remind me more of the Umbrella Corp from the SiFi series Resident Evil. All they really have to do is fook up just once and they can really starve us all or kill us all off with some unintended side effect. And like Umbrella Corp, they own us because they own all our food. ============================= Several European nations are currently suing Monsanto for contaminating their food supplies with "undesired genetic manipulations" -- Monsanto got caught seeding shipments of normal seeds with a low percentage of GM seeds, enough to prep that country for their business model. or If you are disposed to think well of them, well then they can't control their GM stuff spreading around any better than anyone else can. And since they own all the durn seed companies, well shucks folks -- it was jest a little accident. .... and oh by the way, our sampling of your fields show that you owe us 32.7% of the value of your crop due to infringing on our patented genome features .... ::) |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/10 at 01:33:41 Speaking of getting dumb and greedy and fooking up big-time -- Monsanto genetically modified a bent grass for golf courses so it was Round Up proof. Even their tame EPA and FDA choked on this because bent grass is genetically similar to a whole host of weeds and they told them "NO GO, kemosabe. Don't do it." Monsanto had already gone ahead and done it, of course. Guess what is showing up wild in fields all around the development area now .... Golf, anyone? What? Bent grass? It's in a crop field? With our genetic marker in it? And no herbicide can kill it? Woopsie .... Aw shucks, it wuz an accident .... And what is really sad is the genetic marker apparently can move to other members of the bent grass family -- most of which are called by another name .... wiregrass weeds Following the European model, every farmer who gets affected should sue Monsanto for "undesired genetic manipulation" and swack them off a nice big juicy chunk of that well fattened Monsanto meat. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=genetically-modified-crop |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/31/10 at 06:58:21 Aaaaand,, Back to you, Mark |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by WebsterMark on 08/31/10 at 10:43:41 I'm sure there is more than a little fuzzy math and opinion in those dozen reasons above. for example, there cannot be a 25% reduction in yield plus higher expense. That makes no sense, why would any company make the product or why would anyone buy it??? I just flat out don't believe that claim. also, I suspect the details about lawsuits due to downwind contaimination are more urban myth than reality. But on the other hand, I wouldn't have guessed the law would say a government can take my house and sell it to a developer because he can bring in more tax revenue so I' not positive. I have read about the requirement to use all the seeds purchased in a single season, but I don't know the reasoning behind it. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/31/10 at 14:08:31 But on the other hand, I wouldn't have guessed the law would say a government can take my house and sell it to a developer because he can bring in more tax revenue so I' not positive. Proof of a desire fot truth is above, so, IF youll spend some time looking into Monsatans actions & policies & how theyvedestroyed some farmers, then youll be on yerway.. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/10 at 17:52:52 Mark, When you move Monsanto's single variety away from its geographic area that it was bred in to another area with a different climate, 25% reduction in yields are typical compared to the non-modified varieties that were developed in and for that area. Weeds are the reason people buy Monsanto seeds -- just air plane spray the entire field with roundup and kill off everything (the Monsanto seeded plants just keep on growing while the roundup nukes everything else green in the area. Organic farmers hate the stuff and refuse to use it -- but they are finding that the wind and Monsanto's lawyers seem to like their organic crops, especially after the key legal precedent 25% infection level is reached. Now, what is neat is if the local variety of crop that does give full yields in the area picks up the modified roundup gene through air crossing then Monsanto claims the plants as theirs, takes them and soon is marketing a local "tuned" seed that the farmer is forced to buy because he is sued into it. Ain't progress grand? Monsanto will not allow you to keep their seed from one year to the next or reseed anything taken from your harvest -- you MUST buy fresh seed from them every year. People in the public information industry are beginning to pay attention as Obama is trying to cram through an entire regulatory bureaucracy to enforce the Monsanto business model. (once again, in lobbying and direct contributions to select politicians, nobody outspends Monsanto in this activity, not even big oil) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd03EvPq5SI&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5qsn76-5no&NR=1[/media] |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by WebsterMark on 08/31/10 at 19:40:05 Gentlemen, I have my doubts; this strikes me as a bit implausible. Lawsuits forcing non- purchasers of a product to pay for the product when it is transferred to them without their consent and/or ability to stop the transfer. However, I'll read up on it. Actually, I'm reading a fictional book along the same lines so I'm at least 'in the mood' for this, so to speak. It does bring up another point: the over the top Chicken Little global warming alarmist may have brought into play mass apathy when a real crisis does occur. Why should I believe stories about the far off dangers of genetically modified plants? Because someone on television told me? Hell, we had a vice president tell me the world is coming to an end if I don’t stop driving my Silverado. We got rid of DDT and millions of African’s have needlessly died over the past 40 years because some woman writes a book and our best answer to Africa is to use mosquito nets?! Who can I possibly trust? I'm not a geneticist. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Oldfeller on 08/31/10 at 23:48:15 Mark, I specifically gave you a national women's publication that is NOT extremist in its viewpoint -- indeed they were "debunking" the whole thing originally but unfortunately found out it is the truth. Then they reported it as news, with direct interviews of the persons involved. Did you even watch the two videos? |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by WebsterMark on 09/01/10 at 06:19:13 You’re right I didn’t watch them, I didn’t want to invest 15 minutes. So I just did and I wasted those 15 minutes. Excuse me Oldfeller but did you say you specifically gave me a national women's publication that is NOT extremist in its viewpoint. Are you kidding! Democracy Now!! Please…. That’s like saying Fox is fair and balanced or Keith Oberman is a journalist. Here, let me direct you to a news story by Rush Limbaugh... The Vanity Fair article was nothing more than a hit piece done in a typical 60 Minutes style where a ‘investigative journalist’ takes a couple isolated instances and extrapolates them into a companywide plan to attack farmers. Listen to what the guy said a little closer and you can hear it. Most of the farmers Monsanto is going after signed the licensing agreement and are they re-using the seeds after they signed a contract saying they wouldn’t. It’s no different than cheating on your taxes and then getting audited. The story about the guy confronted in a store and then sued? What happened? When Monsanto was confronted with the facts, they dropped it. Clearly a bad investigator was hired. Nothing more. Yet, this guy, and you I presume, take that one case and use words like, “commonly”, “often”, “pattern” when none of those things are true. I heard nothing about seeds being blown on someone's land and then Monsanto lawyers showing up to sue them. Where did that come from? If this is your basis for arguing against GM seeds, you need to start over. By the way, the beginning of the video takes the typical route to point out Monsanto’s wealth. (a clear hint right there this is nothing but BS), but check out today’s news story in the Post-Dispatch. http://www.stltoday.com/business/article_987b8866-3924-5477-95ca-27f1397e9d9e.html Now that they are laying off hundreds and losing money, I guess you’ll be happy now….. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/10 at 02:48:24 Mark, Vanity Fair is a ladies magazine. It isn't especially biased. I would tend to trust it, as it and the videos provided upstream have drilled down to the root people involved and only deal with first hand sources, not the "he said she said stuff". http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/05/monsanto200805 Yes, Monsanto's stock is currently plunging (from a 1,600% meteoric rise that priced it way over the company's real value) and that is partially due to Chinese competition in the Roundup Division and perhaps some to the fact that every media source is beginning to report on their business model and rampant suing activities and are beginning to point out they are on the way to becoming a functional monopoly in a critical supply chain (our food supply chain, fer chrissakes). Monsanto's consulting with Bill Gates though (to pick up tips for fighting the inevitable government intervention?) that's scary to me. Bill Gates liking what he saw enough to move a large chunk of his hundreds of billions into Monsanto stock scares the shite out of me. They showed him their planned next expansion steps and he LIKED it .... a whole lot apparently. Billions worth. Bill Gates is not the poster boy for anything, he a greedy SOB. His manipulation of the PC industry is legendary, as is the unscrupulous methods that he has used to stifle all forms of competition. Monsanto and Gates in the same bed is a scary thing .... Modifying and patenting all the heirloom plant varieties in the Greenland International Seed Repository is only one visible step of that overall Monsanto plan. As is getting the Obama government to try to pass laws that tightly regulate all farming (including your back yard), new rules that seem to fall into lock step with the Monsanto business model. You are not informed and apparently don't care to be, that's fine. I too was once proud of Monsanto as they were doing good and progressive things with no visible downsides. But every big company seems to go evil when they finally reach monopolistic status, they can't cope with resisting trying to wag the dog when they finally get the ability to do so. Watch Monsanto. Watch them legally manipulate your food supply chain AND YOUR GOVERNMENT to your detriment and their fiscal advantage. Watch your food costs rise ...... Even the average woman is better informed on this issue than most of us guys as they SEE the prices going up and they can see their own female information stream telling them about why it is going on. And when they start caring enough, they will inform all you guys about what you think too. ;D Also, your reference point above about Monsanto's roundup division hitting rough times from the cheaper Chinese copies of roundup does not address MONSANTO as a whole -- we keep talking about the much larger seed part of the company (where all the profit is) and how they are attempting a world monopoly on seed supply and legal control of our food supply accordingly. Hey, If Monsanto was still just a chemical company, that would be fine by me. They are not though -- they are the HUGE company that is into bioscience in a big way and are currently modifying all our food crops and PATENTING them and threatening to sue small farmers (non-customers) for wind blown pollen contamination of their organic crops. They took the genetic material from the International Seed Repository (seed that was preserved in case of a "Irish Potato Famine" class international emergency) and they took it, modified it and are currently patenting all forms types and classes of all historical varieties of crop foods in an attempt to advance a legally restrictive monopolistic business model. The geome rush is on boys and girls -- think about it like the California Gold rush. What happens in the next 20 years is gonna rock your world -- or mebbe end it if people get stupid and greedy. http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/worklife/10/27/cb.what.major.pays/index.html Every smart young person recognizes this fact -- guess what the most popular college major is now-a-days? |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by WebsterMark on 09/02/10 at 05:29:46 Here's the problem Oldfeller, I am 10 times more informed than you. the writer's that Vanity Fair published are well known liberal style psuedo investigative journalist. Everything they write must be filtered thru that lense and the truth plucked out. as i said, they took a few cases and made it into a pattern that simply is not correct. again, where is the backup for the lawsuits involving seeds carried down wind to another farm and then Monsanto suing that farmer. I want to see that. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/10 at 05:32:46 Easy peasy my friend, jest type it into Google ..... Item #3 & #5 are the ones that you'd like best I think. OK, some of these found sources shown on the search are "out there" this I freely admit and I wouldn't worry too much about their given opinions -- but follow inside them to the actual sources to the root incident and give credence to what actually happened. Showing results for monsanto sues for wind blown pollination. Search instead for monsanto sues for wind blown pollenation Search Results 1. Context of 'Mid-July 2001: Monsanto Sues Second Saskatchewan ... It contains events related to the event Mid-July 2001: Monsanto Sues Second .... arrived on Schmeiser's property by way of pollination or wind-blown seed. ... www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=gm-61 - Cached 2. Genetically Modified Crops Threaten Traditional Farming Maine, USA – Monsanto sued Oakhurst Dairy on account of advertisements that ... Wind blown pollination results in the burning of contaminated fields and ... hubpages.com/.../GeneticallyModifiedCropsThreatenTraditionalFarming - Cached 3. High Plains Drifting: Wind-Blown Seeds and the Intellectual ... by SM Bernhardt - 2006 - Cited by 6 - Related articles Finally, pollination actually converts the farmer's property to the patent .... 67Karl A. Thiel, Seeds in the Wind: For Monsanto, Patent Protection Stirs ... www.law.northwestern.edu › ... › Volume 4 › Issue 1 - Cached - Similar 4. S/R 31: Genetic Engineering and Environmental Racism (Fitz) Monsanto sued Schmeiser for patent violations when genetic testing showed ... the Monsanto product and that wind-blown pollen had contaminated his fields. ... GM pollen is known to kill butterflies, which are important pollinators for ... www.greens.org/s-r/31/31-03.html - Cached - Similar 5. Andrew Kimbrell: A Victory for Democracy, Another Blow to Monsanto Apr 1, 2010 ... The idea that Monsanto sues adjacent farmers is a myth spread by Percy Schmeiser, ..... Denver Mint To Coin New Energy Approach, Use Wind ... www.huffingtonpost.com/.../a-victory-for-democracy_b_521505.html - Cached 6. Monsanto warns on 2010 earnings target; shares slip | Reuters Apr 7, 2010 ... Monsanto warned on Wednesday that full-year results would likely be at the low end .... farmer's field just so happen to have the wind blow seed is theirs. Then Monsanto sues the farmer who had seeds land in his field. ... www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6362DI20100407 - Cached 7. Oct 04, Myth & Necessity of GM Free Zone - Seeds of Deception Canadian Percy Schmeiser was sued by Monsanto when the company's herbicide ... license or their plants are contaminated by wind blown pollen or insects, ... Soybeans, for example, do not cross pollinate, yet at least half of the bags of ... www.seedsofdeception.com/Public/Newsletter/.../index.cfm - Cached 8. Monsanto Seed Company Sues Farmer After its Seeds Blow Into His ... In Canada, a farmer who used his own seeds, was sued by Monsanto because some of ... Monsanto seeds cross pollinated with the farmers crops, producing plants that carry .... Solar Power, Technology, Tribal People, Water, wind energy ... twilightearth.com/.../monsanto-seed-company-sues-farmer-after-its-seeds-blow-into-his-field-genetically-altering-his-crop/ - Cached - Similar 9. The Conflict Farmers buying Monsanto's seed must sign a contract promising to buy fresh seed ... seed could easily have blown on to his soil from passing canola-laden trucks. ... "If it gets in by wind or cross-pollination, that doesn't matter." ... www.percyschmeiser.com/conflict.htm - Cached - Similar 10. t r u t h o u t | GMO Contamination in Mexico's Cradle of Corn Dec 11, 2008... in Mexico - where wind-blown pollination of corn is the norm and where .... Perhaps the farmers should sue Monsanto for contamination of ... www.truth-out.org/121208D - Cached Showing results for monsanto sues for wind blown pollination. Search instead for the original terms: monsanto sues for wind blown pollenation |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/10 at 05:35:52 Iveread about farmers beibg sued who had never bought a thng from them. I am aware of cross pollenation from their crap destroying organic farms. Avery real threat to the environment is from GMO crops & instead of the Greeenies fighting that fight, theyve got them on a fools errand, fighting global warming.. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/10 at 05:42:39 Don't worry JOG, Vanity Fair and the other check out magazines at very grocery store are beginning to run stories on why food prices are shooting up .... all the women are getting up in arms over it. The women will handle it. Every politician has a wife. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/10 at 05:54:26 I was reading the reputable few sources from that google search and came across something new (to me. anyway). ""Public sentiment is negative. It is my duty to adopt a cautious, precautionary, principle-based approach," said Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh (India) at a press conference earlier this month. Ramesh announced that more studies were needed to make sure that Bt Eggplant -- genetically engineered to contain insecticide derived from the bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) -- can be declared safe for consumers and the environment." Monsanto is cutting genes from bacteria now and sticking it into eggplant DNA. I'm waiting for "protein enhanced" salad greens and other stranger than fiction results from this geome revolution. Everything that was predicted by science fiction writers in years past tends to come true, you know. ;) More neat stuff ..... Ya gotta drill down into these things to get to the meat of the truth, but here seems to be is a good hit on the current state of things in the GM food front. Apparently Bill Gates wife Melinda has done had that little talk with him concerning screwing around with her grandchildren's food. (hee hee) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/monsanto P.S. don't just take it all at face value, drill down into the sources that are given, then drill down again until you hit the reputable original sources (like the Seattle Times fer example). Trust real newspapers and published legal reviews and peer association published papers from professors, etc. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/10 at 06:36:10 ............. and now, the original heading of this post is water over the dam. Melinda Gates has talked hubby Bill out of supporting Monsanto's attempt to gain a monopolistic foothold in the India food supply. India's politicians have rejected the GM seed / chemical over spray business model and the self-poisoning BT gene enhanced green veggies too. And you all are aware of how YOUR FOOD IS BEING FOOKED WITH and perhaps your grandkids may not have grandkids because of it ..... (remember, the male lab rats balls turned blue and fell off) :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :-? is this shite for real? ;D Well, the Seattle Times newspaper, the Wall Street Journal and the Securities and Exchange Commission seem to think so. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012751169_gatesmonsanto29m.html |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Boule’tard on 09/02/10 at 08:27:48 Ok so I just read this thread and still don't know what the theory is. I get a vague sense that the Gates Foundation is trying to hurt Africa and India by investing in Monsanto, but nothing specific is put forth as to what the evil plot is. I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy, and we're all aware of many slimy moves Microsoft has done. But the Gates Foundation has a reputation as one of the most efficient charities out there, in terms of lives saved per dollar spent. Gates has a sort of dual personality as a shark businessman turned phliantroper. So I am curious to know exactly what the theory is concerning Monsanto. It could be that Gates wants to buy himself a powerful voice in Monsanto, so he can steer the research more toward the goals of his foundation, or at least get them to loosen their legal strings. It could be a Microsoft style embrace-and-kill strategy. The deal could be driven by Monsanto to boost their image by association with a reputable charity. Or maybe Gates has studied Monsanto, or has inside info, and just sees it as a buy low/sell high opportunity that will help the foundation. What is the theory? Genetically modified plants are not a bad idea per se. I have a house plant, this geranium that's been crossed with citronella grass. It is marketed as a "mosquito fighter plant" and came with a tag that says "propagation is a proprietary right" blah blah blah. Rub one of its leaves and it just REEKS of citronella.. very cool. Like other citronella products, the plant does not repel mosquitoes, but at least it's a good air freshener. Since I'm not a big fan of "intellectual property" that does not deliver on its claim, I do my best to cut clones and distribute them to all my friends. Muahahahahahhah. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/10 at 09:54:47 The start of it was a casual statement by Gates in a press briefing that the FDA et al would "take care" of the third world overpopulation issue. Sounded like a nonsensical statement at the time, didn't it? Then some people noted that Gates was investing heavily in Monsanto through the Gates Foundation. Monsanto that was heavy into genetic manipulation of food crops. Supposedly Gates Foundation and Monsanto were going to cooperate to help end world hunger in India and third world countries by introducing Monsanto genetically modified grains and greens to the poor starving ignorant India peasants. This was their stated purpose, anyway. People also discovered that Monsanto BT gene enhanced greens of several different varieties had been fed to lab rats in independent university tests, rats that could produce no fourth generation due to testicular atrophy after eating the shite for 100% of their diet for a whole generation or three. (such long term tests are now being redone for confirmation by many different universities and departments of this and that. Be interesting to see how they all turn out) ;) Suspicious minds connected the dots to Bill's interesting statement. A furor was raised on the net that alerted the India Government officials who just now decided not to have anything to do with Monsanto's gene altered veggies pending a full testing review and full ecological workup. BTW, we are already eating the shite here in America because our carefully bribed FDA politicians simply didn't do a full testing review nor an ecological workup on the BT modification because Monsanto said it wasn't necessary. :-/ so kiss your bees & butterflies goodbye when that BT gene mod hops from plant species to plant species to plant species :-/ You see, them India Indians happen to like having lots of great great grand kids, lots of bees and butterflies .... its a cultural thing with them folks over there. Us America, not so much apparently (or else our government is stupid or crooked or mebbe both). Bill Gates was getting BLASTED by the negative publicity and his wife Melinda was contacted by the She Who Must Not Be Named and told to have her hubby lay off the Monsanto deal -- you see women in general tend to like having great great grandkids too. Then, as usual around here the thread went many different places not all of which had a dam thing to do with the topic. clear as mud now? :D (I enjoyed it anyway, almost as good as an oil war !!) ;) |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by bill67 on 09/02/10 at 11:25:10 Things are really looking bad,Globe warming and now this,And 2012 right around the corner. :-/ |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/10 at 11:30:54 That's OK Bill, let's go to McDonalds and eat us a HiPro lettuce McSalad. It's 15% of your daily protein and vitamin requirement according to Monsanto and the FDA .... ;D Hey Bill Gates, now exactly what sort of protein did you guys splice into that there lettuce? OK, now what the heck is this Soylent Green stuff anyway? How can it be "100% digestible by humans and is 5 times more effective for human nutrition than beef or pork"? |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Boule’tard on 09/02/10 at 13:08:23 0E2D2527242D2D2433410 wrote:
Slightly less muddy, thanks. So in summary, the theory is that when Bill Gates said 3rd world overpopulation would be taken care of, he meant it would be due to the birth control inherent to Monsanto's modified crops, not that they would be fed by increased yields. The investment in Monsanto is to ensure that the plan is funded and backed by a highly credible charity. The birth controlling effect of the genetic mods, whether deliberate or accidental, affects rats in one lab, but yet to be confirmed by other labs. But regardless of the other tests, Monsanto will plow forward with widespread use of the modified crops, hoping that the effect on births will show up in humans. If all goes according to plan (facilitated by the FDA et.al. due to bribery) we can expect a sharp decrease in birth rates in the US and several African countries, but not India which now shuns the designed crops. So if that's the theory in a nutshell, how are we supposed to figure out if it's bunk or not? Looks like it could get as messy as the global warming thing.. various groups cherry picking samples to support whatever conclusion. Then there's the fact that people in many places just breed up to the population their food supply can support. So if their crops cause some of their nuts to fall off, but also yield more food, there's one aspect of the crops working against the other.. so what would be the net change in the population. Actually it seems more likely to decrease a population that does not breed up to the food supply in the first place.. not exactly the "eugenics" outrage we are looking for, drat! ;D What's so bad about 2112, I thought it was a pretty good album?? :D |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/10 at 14:11:21 It was a good album, but first you have to figure out exactly what kind of protein was genetically spliced into the HiPro lettuce before you decide if you are willing to swallow any of this stuff ..... What is that Soylent Green stuff anyway? ;D ;D ;D ================================== Seriously, Monsanto's butt is hanging out for NOT getting full FDA testing workups done on each new wave of their gene mods. They are also hanging out for not doing ALL the drug test studies for sticking the genes for an organic bacteria-based poison inside a foodstuff. the original BT powder was a visible white powder that washed off with water, not integral to the cells of the edible part of the plant that you eat So some lunatic does the study for them, a 4 generation study of the BT modified broccoli using already released commercial seeds and he says the balls fell off his male rats -- well now there are dozens of full proper studies in motion all over academia and some sort of bad result is likely to show up in at least one of them (which will be widely publicized of course). And somebody is gonna get that BT gene to jump into something that bees like and somebody is gonna feed the stuff to some really cute butterfly caterpillars. (duh -- it will kill them) Kids are gonna be doing that one for Science Fair projects all over the USA next year, count on it. :D And Monsanto will get toasted by some government somewhere for something, then some administration will need some public support from the greenies and Monsanto will get their Soylent Green handed to them in the process. And that's if they aren't sued to pieces by the farmers being affected by the already leaked and moving through the bent grass relatives roundup proof gene that Monsanto stupidly put into the second cousin of the wiregrass family .... You know, the one the FDA and EPA FLAT ASSED TOLD THEM NOT TO DO =============================== No wonder Monsanto's stock is headed for the crapper -- if they had actually tried could they have made any more people dislike them more? Hey, mebbe they could go out and sue their own customers, that would really help their image some, don'tcha think? Or, mebbe they could go threaten to sue some completely innocent people -- bet that would help too. Or, better yet, they could go jump into bed with Bill Gates -- that will help their image issues a whole lot I am sure. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/10 at 21:32:18 Vaccines are included in his statement. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by WebsterMark on 09/03/10 at 05:26:02 Been outta town for work so i had to let this go for a couple days, but I'll pick it up this afternoon and read your links Oldfeller. by the way, Oldfeller, that nice non-judgemental non-partisian women's magazine you mentioned as a source I could trust, just ran a viscious hit piece against Sarah Palin. They are no different than NOW or NAACP. They are not pushing for the advancement of all women or colored people, only for the advancement of liberal women or colored people. Pathetic. |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/10 at 08:26:28 viscious hit piece against Sarah Palin I otta have a look at that. What rag was that in? |
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Title: Re: bill gates,, Eugenicist? Post by mick on 09/03/10 at 14:18:35 I thought I heard that Sarah Palin is deffinately running for pres. Happy now Bill ? |
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