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Title: wildlife! Post by runwyrlph on 09/03/10 at 15:58:01 saw a red fox on the ride home - not too common around here - probably see an average once in 5 years. then about a mile later a much more common western PA mammal bounded out ahead of me. got off the throttle, downshifted, fired off a warning shot, and hit the brakes in time to let the 2nd deer pass in front. close enough i could here its hooves skidding! |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Trippah on 09/03/10 at 16:15:19 Quite a combo..dont tread on me and Hooves..I tend to agree on both points..glad you didn't get too close and personal with Bambi. :D |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mick on 09/03/10 at 17:57:06 You might no believe this but red foxes are abundant in London of all places,thats London England. the big city. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Phelonius on 09/03/10 at 18:32:36 272329213E222F2623272F334A0 wrote:
That's because in London, they are not allowed to chase them on horseback with a pack of hounds. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by drharveys on 09/03/10 at 20:03:51 I guess a handful of foxes would make these guys less bold! http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Colorado%20Vacation%20Summer%202010/CO178a.jpg http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Colorado%20Vacation%20Summer%202010/CO170a.jpg I don't know if foxes would like the elevation here, though! http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Colorado%20Vacation%20Summer%202010/CO162.jpg |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/04/10 at 00:31:57 Already foxes there Doc, their VERY adapatable. Fact is you'll find more foxes in town then you will in the surrounding rural ares. They LOVE cat n dog food, scraps behind diners ect. Them lil crawl spaces under the house make ideal dens for them. Skunks to! So next time you got to go digging around under the house make sure and check it for furred critters as well as the long slinky scaled kind...lol |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by runwyrlph on 09/04/10 at 06:30:37 yeah i have a feeling there's plenty of foxes around, just don't see them too often. we actually see coyotes more frequently around here! |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Southpaw on 09/06/10 at 09:50:41 We've got a den near the creek that runs though our area. I've seen turkey and deer walking down our road so used to traffic they don't budge. At least the foxes are smarter than that! Surprisingly (and thankfully) haven't had a single skunk hit out here this year! |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/06/10 at 12:50:19 Had several of them smelly critters hit around here. Think ive come up on each one right after its been hit and let loose its juice. Course thats better then being at ground zero when one does turn on the wterhose...lol Cool weather has got the deer moveing more here lately to. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by 12Bravo on 09/06/10 at 19:25:22 I hate them stinkin pole cats LOL! I think the deer around me are suicidal because they run out in front of my jeep all the time but they usually stop and wait for me to go by when on the bike. They will be worse once the farmers start to harvest the crops. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/07/10 at 01:59:48 Their starting to cut the corn down here 12B. Was out looking for possible dove fields and some d@mn english sparrow like to of become a Fork ornament...lol Almost as bad as the buzzard today. ::) Got deer checking out the corn in the garden so im just waiting for deer season to show them the error of their ways. ;D |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by 12Bravo on 09/07/10 at 05:55:35 I need to get a good brush guard for the jeep, my freezer is getting a little empty. I have almost been taken out by turkeys and turkey vultures on quite a few occasions. I hit a sparrow few months ago and was glad that I was on the Burgman instead of the S40. I thought for sure that it broke the fairing the way it hit. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/07/10 at 12:24:32 Seems like every good ride i get one of them lil buggers tries to hitch a ride. So far only one swallow misjudged my speed though. Of late the frogs in the road have suffered horribly though...lol As long as i dont run over a dillo or a big turtle ill be happy. ;D Turks kind of run out in front of me in my driveway, right in a mess of loose gravel. One of them Tap Tap Tap slide slide slide brakeing moments...lol Im so used to watching for deer haveing grown up in the country its second nature. Coons, yotes, foxes, suicidal squirrels, makes for interesting rides... ;D |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by thumperclone on 09/07/10 at 13:34:37 plenty of mulies up on the mesa, we saw one 3 pointer had 3 does w/him, still in velvet,all others we saw were does...archery season starts this week i think... saw 2 antelope by I 70 less than 10 miles from where im sittin..never seen them this close to town... |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/08/10 at 01:16:17 Like to hunt me some antelope. Ate some one time and it was NUMMY! Big ole pot of deer stew was'nt bad last friday either..lol Puffball mushrooms are a popping good, corals should be comeing up any day now as well. Mmmmm, smothered deer steaks, fresh mushrooms and some ear corn. Made myself hungry. ;D |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by babyhog on 09/08/10 at 14:45:26 Oh man, I'm ready for some bow hunting!! I heard someone say they were doing an early week of bow season here next week. Its still pretty warm, but I guess I'll just have to suffer through it... Ummmm, deer stew be soundin' too goooooood. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mick on 09/08/10 at 23:27:49 6E6D6C616379000 wrote:
Piglet,how can such a sweet gal like you go out and slaughter a poor inocent Animal that has done nothing to you ? And with a bow and arrow, the arrow is notably a slow death. It's not like you cant find meat in the store. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/09/10 at 02:17:03 "And with a bow and arrow, the arrow is notably a slow death. It's not like you cant find meat in the store." Obviously mick you've never bow hunted or seen a deer shot through the heart/lungs with a razor head arrow. Slow? Painfull? Not hardly. As for store bought beef, well id much rather be a deer hunted in the woods and a good chance of outsmarting the human hunter. Deer have the advantage. Rather then a cow raised from birth in a fenced in field or food lot then shipped off to a slaughterhouse. Then haveing a steel bolt shot into my head by compressed air after being herded into a chute with others of my kind. Not a sinlge chance at escapeing or dieing of old age. Unless your a prime cow that throws big healthy calves. Then you get a few years before going to the market for hamburger or dogfood. Chickens? Turkeys? Ill take the deers chances anytime! |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by babyhog on 09/09/10 at 06:24:05 Thank you Wolfman. And Happy Belated Birthday to you! ;) The BIG 5-Oh!! Hope you had a great one! Mick, I am honestly surprised at you. When I first started hunting, I thought some of those same things, but as Wolfman so eloquently pointed out, an arrow head is very sharp, and is not a slow death when done properly. Reasons I fell in love with bow hunting: --The peace and quiet in the woods is like riding a motorcycle -- you are one with what you are doing and everything else fails to matter. No worrying about bills to be paid, no thinking about anything else. Just calm and quiet.... until the rush of a deer (or any animal really) coming into your area. Wow, its an excitement that you just have to experience first hand. Watching squirrels in their own habitat, without them knowing you are there, going about their business is one of the coolest things to witness. --Yes, I can buy meat of many flavors, but deer is different. I can't just go to my local grocery store and buy deer meat. So I go get it myself. We clean and butcher it ourselves too. Stocks my freezer for months and saves me alot of money too. It is much more healthy than the store processed stuff. Dont' get me wrong, I buy meat too, love a good T-bone and ribeye steak! But I can't go cow hunting. --And deer management is necessary in many areas. Many animals become nuisances to communities when they are not managed in the woods. That's just the way it has become here. If people didn't hunt them, I would hate to see how overrun it would get. --Deer hunting for me has become a "family" thing. I hunt with my husband and 2 sons. We all enjoy it, and enjoy doing it together! --And for me, its not necessarily the "kill". Its everything else that comes with it too. The sport, the adventure of finding the deer, the rush of even being able to take a shot! I'm ready to hit the woods.... |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 09/09/10 at 11:38:47 On a serious note - remember that deer almost never run alone. When you see the first one darting across the road, stop. The second and maybe 3rd and 4th are right behind him. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by kimchris1 on 09/09/10 at 12:22:56 Piglet, I agree with some of what you are saying. Management of game in some areas is needed. However the way some choose to do so imo is not anything I have an interest in doing. Like in everything their is good and bad as in hunters. Their are the ones that shoot first at anything that moves, then their are the sensible ones that make sure what their looking at before letting go of the arrow or shooting the gun. I again have witnessed Elk that were not taken down with the first nor second arrow. They were found days later in brush where they had died from their wounds. It was not a fast death for them I have seen deer that were killed only for their back bones. I grew up and my father, brother and friends all hunted. At times had it not been for the venison in our freeer we would have been lost for meat. So I understand the reason for hunting in order to provide for the family. I don't have issues with that. Yes the meat you buy in the stores taste different, as the feed they are given are full of hormones and such, where the wild are able to graze on non chemical land for the most part. So again I see good and bad on the issue. I have lived in the country with the deer, elk, coyotes and know the serenity of it all. I don't begrudge you or your family hunting. It is just something this gal no longer chooses to be part of. So you go hunt in the woods, I will continue my 6 mile daily walks thru the wetlands here. We will remain friends yet with different opinions on this subject.. Hugs.. love ya gal.. :) kim |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mornhm - FSO on 09/09/10 at 12:40:36 3C3E3A343F253E2466570 wrote:
That is so true. It's real hard to convince people who don't hunt that hunting is a good thing when you find deer (or whatever) dead with an arrow through the haunches, belly or stuck in the leg. I get real tired of the people who talk about deer they missed (sometime over and over) or hit and then couldn't find. You should see the looks I get when I tell them that I expect to be able to put every arrow at whatever range I choose to shoot into an area the size of a dessert plate (about 6 inch or 150 mm circle) and most of my arrows in the bottom of a cup, and that I would expect any ethical hunter to be able to do the same. I get some dirty looks, but they usually stop telling their stories about the deer that got away. I had a friend who would paint COW in orange fluorescent paint on the sides of his angus herd animals (those are pure black and huge for those who don't know) during deer season, and still found someone trying to get one onto their car bragging about how big the deer was that they shot. :o |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by babyhog on 09/09/10 at 12:49:39 2C2E2A242F352E3476470 wrote:
No harm honey. I agree with plenty of what you are saying too. I consider myself one of the responsible hunters, doing it for the right reasons. So I am ok to sleep at night. I have seen several deer already this season, dead on the side of the road. I hate to think of "that" kind of death for such a beautiful animal. And the meat goes to waste. This subject could be debated on and on. And some minds would never be changed. So just keep an eye out for them along the road. Cars, trucks, arrows, and bullets have a much better chance against a deer than a motorcycle does. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/09/10 at 13:25:37 Heres a lil tidbit for you. Insuarance companies love deer season, ask your agent. MO averages 10,000+ deer killed on the highway each year(1,000,000+ population). Other states average more some less. Take deer car/bike accidents out of the equasion and your rates would drop significantly. Most hunters practice enough and care enough to make those one shot kills. Quick and clean. As with EVERYTHING in life there are those that dont/wont take the time to become proficent at it. Be it gun or bow. Just as with Squids and 1 percenters its a few gives the majority a bad name. Sound familiar? Another lil note. ALL our ancestors worked to reduce or completely kill off the major predators like bears, wolves and mountain lions, the deers predators. Ever watched a deer die of starvation, disease? It aint pretty and it sure aint quick. WE are the predators that keep herd numbers in check. No one or nothing else. Its not only a pastime but a responsibility to the creatures we love so dearly. Their not just meat on the hoof to most sportsmen/women. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 09/09/10 at 13:39:21 Wolfman - According to a study done at Ohio State University some years ago, we now have more deer here in Ohio than ever before, for the precise reasons that you mentioned. The only predator left is the human - all of the wolves are gone. We have a few coyotes, but since they are relatively small, they may take down a fawn now and then, but don't attack adult deer very often. And unlike a couple of hundred years ago, when virtually all male humans were hunters in a rural area, actually few men hunt today, compared with back then. Before hunting was regulated, it was a twelve month a year endeavor since men hunted to feed their families. Now the season for all hunting in Ohio is only a few days for deer, and about 3 months each year for small game and game birds. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mick on 09/09/10 at 13:39:40 [quote author=132B282229252A440 link=1283554681/15#23 date=1284063937]Heres a lil tidbit for you. Insuarance companies love deer season, ask your agent. MO averages 10,000+ deer killed on the highway each year(1,000,000+ population). Other states average more some less. Take deer car/bike accidents out of the equasion and your rates would drop significantly. Most hunters practice enough and care enough to make those one shot kills. Quick and clean. As with EVERYTHING in life there are those that dont/wont take the time to become proficent at it. Be it gun or bow. Just as with Squids and 1 percenters its a few gives the majority a bad name. Sound familiar? Another lil note. ALL our ancestors worked to reduce or completely kill off the major predators like bears, wolves and mountain lions, the deers predators. Ever watched a deer die of starvation, disease? It aint pretty and it sure aint quick. WE are the predators that keep herd numbers in check. No one or nothing else. Its not only a pastime but a responsibility to the creatures we love so dearly. Their not just meat on the hoof to most sportsmen/women.[/quote To the creatures we love so dearly, Do you shed a tear every time you kill one ? |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mick on 09/09/10 at 14:17:47 I did hunt rabbit as a kid,because other meat was still rashioned this was just after the war, and the only meat you could buy was horse meat OLD horse meat. Rabbit was way better and we had millions of rabbits, not any more they were just about wiped out from mixamatosis (spelling). there are a few dear left but they all belong to the queen,those and Swans..Big fine if you kill one of them. As a kid in school Archery is manditory you had to take that class. I guess that was a left over rule from way back. A brief history of the Long Bow. In 1252 the "Assize of Arms" ensured that all Englishmen were ordered ,by law,that every man between the age of 15 to 60 years old should equip themselves with a bow and arrows.The Plantagenet King Edward 111 took this further and decreed the Archery law in 1363 Which commanded the obligatory practice of archery on Sundays and Holidays! The Archery law "forbade, on pain of death,all sport that took up time better spent on war training especially archery practice" an archer would be absolved of murder,if he killed a man during longbow practice. Another great English invention,began a few hundred years before you stole America from the indians I bet you bow hunters all use compound bows now huh! Those old English long bows could pierce Armor at 250 yards. in the battle of Crecy in 1346 ,the french were decimated there were 2000 french knights and soldiers killed by longbow arrows ,the English lost 50 men . I have plenty more if you would like to read it. PS,I hunted rabbit with a 12 guage, there was no movement after a hit. but ones close by jumped 10 foot in the air. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 09/09/10 at 14:41:40 Mick - I could never hit the broad side of a barn with a long bow. Or course, the armor that was pierced by an arrow shot from a long bow wasn't the kind of armor we have today. Those early, soft steels that were made then didn't offer much protection. Couldn't a skilled swordsman pierce that old armor with the point of a broadsword? |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mick on 09/09/10 at 14:55:43 4B44484249444F434453464453210 wrote:
I think the shear weight of a broardsword on or about your noggin would kill you. I'm sure the historian who wrote about the long bow meant the Armor of the day,Im sure it was fine warding off almost spent arrows and a glancing blow from a sword. I might add here That I'm sure glad tanks had been in vented when my queen and country needed me. Eleven inches of solid steel beats a khaki shirt.I know every enemy have tank busters ,but after years training to drive my tank I got pretty confident,is't that what supossed to happen .We are all fearless at that age. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 09/09/10 at 15:08:26 Mick - In our twenties, we are not only fearless, but immortal as well. I know I did crazy stuff with airplanes at 23 or 24 that would made me shudder to even think of doing today. I once ready of a study done right after WW II that the ideal age for a soldier was 19. At that age, he had enough maturity to lead others if needed, but was young enough to recover quickly from non-lethal wounds, lack of sleep, hunger, excess heat or cold and the other maladies that a soldier suffers in combat. What amazes me about WW II is that it was a war fought by teenagers. George H. W. Bush was only 19 when he was a Navy pilot and shot down by the Japanese. Most British, American, and German fighter pilots were less than 25 years old. The average infantryman wasn't even 20. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mick on 09/09/10 at 22:42:18 When I was just a little kid ,we would run messages to town for yanks. usualy for fish and chips, but some of them had girl freinds in town we would take letters to them from guys who couldn't get out for one reason or another, they used to give us chewing gum sometimes a sixpenny coin,we loved em they were always so nice to us kids. Way different than what I see today,is it me or did the fine American youth started to get rude undisaplined. when I came here in 67 I couldn't believe that potential draftees were taking off for Canada to avoid going in. I'm not sure but in time of war draft dodgers in England Are shot for cowardice. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/10/10 at 01:17:52 Yep, the Longbowmen were the death of the armoured knight on horseback. Firearms kinda put the last nail in the knights coffin. Not everyone could be a longbowman. You had to be a certain height and have the strength to bring it to full draw. The average longbow was 6 feet. Anyone could shoot a shortbow or crossbow. Bowmen were a technical class that didnt practice with anything else unlike a knight or foot soldier. As for the crack about stealing america from the american indians ill let that pass. We learned from our british ancestors that had been practiceing the empire game for hundreds of years before us...lol By the way mick, im 1/4 cherokee indian. And proud of it. The mongols were some expert bowmen as well. They could hit a man when at a full gallop shooting under their horses belly at 200 yards. They could hit a flying bird at a full gallop as well. Expert bowmen and horsemen. The terrified the chinese and romans. They also developed the hornbow which allowed them to shoot a much shorter bow with more power then a longbow. I started shooting a recurve when i was 8 and shot one untill after i was forty. Would still shoot one but my shoulders wont let me. So now i shoot a compound. Still shoot a recurve when my shoulders let me. Its also a proven fact recurve shooters are generaly more accurate and consistant then compound shooters. Its also easier to switch from a recurve to a compound then vice versa. Bowhunting for deer is the number one sport for outdoors women. Jerry, most states now have more deer than when Lewis and Clark came through. Their a nuisance in many areas. Something else the game departments are trying to promote is getting more youths into the game. Less then 10% of the population hunt any kind of game animal anymore. Xbox, PSP, the loss of rural farms to houseing developments ect has cut the replacement numbers. So much so that only about 6 states actualy have enough youths takeing up the sport to replace the old farts who have got to old or died. MO is one with something on the order of only .2 percent higher then the replacement numbers needed. Most of the others are out west. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mick on 09/10/10 at 11:36:49 Don't you hunters only shoot the Male ? and to be honest every road kill I have ever seen have been female,why is that ? |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by babyhog on 09/10/10 at 11:51:03 484C464E514D40494C48405C250 wrote:
Doe meat tastes better! (of course!) It depends on the season around here, as to which one you shoot. And the order in which you take them, if you buy extra stamps, as we do. My theory on why you see females hit on the road -- They tend to the young, and the young ones are the ones that wander toward the road more often. Also, the young bucks antlers aren't easily visible for a couple years, so a dead one you see that you think is female could be a young male (button buck) And doe travel further to get away from bucks, so they get near roads more often. Bucks usually make one long journey during a season, a couple miles or so, then they usually go back to their home turf. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/10/10 at 12:11:58 The average kill ratio runs about 60% does and 40% bucks during hunting season. Some trophy hunt just for big bucks. They perceive a prestige in takeing only big bucks. $$$$ in the eyes i call it. In a sense this actualy hurts the deer herd. Some states have inplemented rules where a buck has to be a certain size before he is a legal buck. This is supposedly to allow them to attain their full potential. In the long run it allows a lot more smaller scrub bucks to end up breeding the does and you see fewer trophy class bucks. A lil fur point eats a lot better then some rutted up gamey 12 point...lol Some states have started to change their rules after years of this. MO is in the niddle of their 'trophy phase'. >:( Roadkill wise its a tossup as to wheather its a buck or doe. Racks get broke off of bucks. Some even stop and take the racks of deer they have hit on seen alongside the road(illegal in most states). Numbers wise theres more does afield then bucks so you will see more does hit. Bucks are a lil more secretive and sneaky as well. For a good part of the year even bucks wont have antlers as they drop them in mid to late winter and dont start regrowing them untill late spring early summer. So a LOT of those does you see are actualy rackless bucks. Meat wise theres not much differance. Now during the rut a bucks neck and shoulder muscles bulk up and get a lil tougher. Their rut musk adds a lil flavour to them as well. Overall though unless you know what it is or someone tells you you cant tell the differance between a buck or doe. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by bill67 on 09/10/10 at 13:11:23 Neither one taste good,tough smelly |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by runwyrlph on 09/10/10 at 20:02:49 63676D657A666B6267636B770E0 wrote:
I think the shear weight of a broardsword on or about your noggin would kill you. I'm sure the historian who wrote about the long bow meant the Armor of the day,Im sure it was fine warding off almost spent arrows and a glancing blow from a sword. I might add here That I'm sure glad tanks had been in vented when my queen and country needed me. Eleven inches of solid steel beats a khaki shirt.I know every enemy have tank busters ,but after years training to drive my tank I got pretty confident,is't that what supossed to happen .We are all fearless at that age.[/quote] Neat thing I learned about longbows.... I generally always thought they were replaced by crosbows because crosbows were "better" - not so! Longbows were superior in range, accuracy, power, and speed of fire. The problem was that it took years or decades to train an English longbowman, while any slob could pick up a crosbow and become reasonably proficient in a few weeks! I'm no historian - just my recollection of History channel - or something I read - but it surprised me when I learned that! |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/11/10 at 00:54:22 Ah bill, you just dont know how to cook it. Ham roast tore up and slow cooked in a slow cooker untill its almost done them smother in bar-b-q sauce. Yum yum. Or replace that expensive round steak with a nice deer steak. Cut it into chunks then smother it in gravy untill done. Grilled on the bar-b-q with some nice slabs of pineapple on top. Deer ribs on the barbie then slather bar-b-q on them. Or use a nice rub you favor. So many ways of cooking deer meat. ;D |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mick on 09/12/10 at 01:14:42 427A797378747B150 wrote:
I would sugest that deer meat has very little flavor,after asking around the few family members I have that hunt with rifles, A nephew got a huge deer last year ,the rack was He gave the meat away. Wolfman I guess you can make any thing taste good if you add enough Bar-B-Q sauce.but with a good roast (beef) all you need is a little salt and pepper. Oh my nephew does't like deer meat says it's to gamey. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/12/10 at 02:27:14 Deer meat has pleanty of flavor mick. I eat a lot of it with nothing more then pepper and salt. I just like bar-b-q sauce as well. Even on beef, chicken and pork. The main differance is deer takes on a 'wild' flavor from all the acorns, berries, shrubs ect they eat. Some folks dont like it. Deer is generaly leaner which means its drier when cooked. When its taken and whats sex it is can play a small role in the taste as well. A rutting buck is strong flavored where a yearling or doe killed early in the bow season taste much like beef. MOST people cant tell the differance between beef and deer unless heir told. Same way with turkey. Wild turkey is darker and drier then tame pen raised turkeys. Where as beef, chicken, lamb/mutton, turkey, pork, game hens, rabbit, and even a lot of the fish you buy in the store takes on the flavor of the corn, soybean, cottonseed and other additives from the feed they eat. The ONLY way to get a true beef, pork, turkey or chicken flavor is free range. Meaning YOU raise them yourself and they eat nothing but grass, bugs and plain shell corn. You buy ANYTHING out of the supermarket, even expensive Kobi beef from japan(if you can find it) and your eatting a LOT of chemicals. Cancer causeing chemicals, artery clogging chemicals and fats not to mention loads of salt and other minerals. Some meats(and MORE to come) are IRRADIATED to help preserve it and prolong its shelf life. Supposedly it cuts down on bacteria as well. Radiation GOOD, Bacteria BAD. That is untill you grow a third eye, 11 fingers or webbed feet. Eh? Store bought veggies are no better, LOADS of chemicals. Raise your own free range animals, raise your own veggies without chemicals(your still going to be raisieng hybrids with all kinds of different gentic modifications) and wild game, youd live another 10 years and feel a whole lot better. There's also the matter of haveing raised or hunted your own food that makes it taste a lot better. Elk and mule deer are much the same as whitetailed deer. Antelope has a sweeter taste, even over beef. Some people just dont like the taste, some cant get over the fact its wild game that was hunted. Many make up their mind after eatting it only once or not even haveing eat it. Some just dont know how to cook it properly either...lol But then the same can be said about store bought meats. Some dont like beef, some dont like turkey. Its just a matter of taste. Ill take garden veggies and wild game anytime or a beef or hog ive raised myself. Its kinda like some like harleys and some dont. Some like Yamahas and some like hondas. Just a matter of taste. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by bill67 on 09/12/10 at 04:42:30 Lot of people I know that hunt deer make sausage out of the whole thing,Because they don't care for the taste of the meat. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/12/10 at 11:13:05 Lot dont like it cause its drier. Mix a lil good beef fat into it as you grind it and it makes some good sausage or burgers. Deer by itself is so lean it dont want to hold together to make burgers. Some just mix it with ground beef about 60% deer and 40% beef. I prefer to just add about 10-15% beef fat for burgers. Sausage i just use deer by itself and a few spices. Makes some real nice summer sausage. And jerky? Yum yum! ;D |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by babyhog on 09/13/10 at 07:09:15 132B282229252A440 wrote:
Jerky was always my favorite thing to do with it, created a bunch of different marinades, very tasty. I like the tenderloin best for stews, just cube it up, toss it in. Last year, we ground more than we used to and I made alot of spaghetti sauce with it. Deer meatloaf and lasagna is good too. But I think my favorite now is using ground deer meat to make taco meat for taco salads. Mmmmm. BTW, I saw one of the prettiest 8-point bucks last night in my brother-in-law's brother's yard. Maybe a hundred feet away, he came out of the woods, stopped and looked at us (we were in the garage looking at his wife's V-Star, which they are trying to get me to buy). Then a smaller 4- or 6-point came up behind him, they stared for a second, then trotted across the field, down into the creek. It was poetry in motion, I tell ya!! |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by verslagen1 on 09/13/10 at 08:14:25 363534393B21580 wrote:
Can't you just hear the comentary... and here we have man in his natural habitat. Becareful not to approach them unless they're staring at their metal horses. Otherwise they have a deadly stinger. Let's be on our way, the little one is starting to salavate. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/14/10 at 02:34:49 NOOOOOOO BBH!!! Tenderloin for stew???? You ought to be slapped! Around my house the tenderloin lasts maybe one day possibly two. Rolled in flour salt n pepper and fried. Maybe make a lil gravy and some hot biscuts. Same way with the backstrap. Only thing goes faster is the Liver and Heart. Those get cooked the night of the kill usualy. God i love deer liver. ;D Neck, front shoulders and trimings off the rear hams go in stew or get ground up. I like pure deer burger for spagheti or tacos. Ive got a good recepie or two for deer jerky. My favorite is teryaki. Bad part is i cant quit eatting the tuff, it dont last. Got a decent recepie around here someplace for deer sausage made in the oven. I like late evening rides so im haveing to watch more for the fuzzy butted critters. Acorns are falling and its cooling off so their moveing more now. Will just get worse over the next month or so. I figure unless it stays fairly warm ill be parking the bike by the time the full on rut starts in Nov. Be back to the quad and truck for transportation by then. Wish i had some fresh tenderloin to go with all these puffball mushrooms im finding. About sick of eatting the things. Probably found 2 5 gallon buckets full so far...lol Corals should be popping anytime now. ;D Squirrels are starting to cut the nuts pretty good around the house(live out in the woods, deer in the yard about every night). About got some quail on the bike this evening to!...lol |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by 12Bravo on 09/14/10 at 05:52:53 Wolfman, you need to carry a net for the quail. LOL! I have to agree, never use a tenderloin for stew. I like tenderloins marinated and slow cooked on the grill. Mmmmmmmmmm! Young does are the best for steaks, nice and tender. I don't know if I actually hit a tree rat yesterday but he sure did a nice flip as I went by. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by babyhog on 09/14/10 at 06:03:56 Slapped??? I eat mine the way I want, you eat yours the way you want! Thank you very much. >:( Floured, salt/peppered and fried is wonderful too. But I like it in my soup. ("Stew" isn't really the right term, its more soup, but I guess that's beside the point.) |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by runwyrlph on 09/14/10 at 08:22:05 6467172734233A550 wrote:
-tried to kick a whistle pig saturday, but i just grazed his back :( |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by bill67 on 09/14/10 at 08:52:56 Did anyone here every eat cow brains,I think it was scrambled with and egg in it,We used to have it when I was a kid. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/14/10 at 10:26:58 Yech! Brains is one thing i wont touch...lol Cow and hog brains with scrambled eggs were a staple in the old days. Settlers even used brains in place of butter on bread. Dad used to roll a squirrels head around in a skillet for a minute then pop out the eyes and eat em. Crack the skull and dig out the brains as well. Had an uncle used to save the egg sacks from any fish we caught. Would toss them in hot grease for about 10 seconds then eat em like candy. Heart, liver, mountain oysters ill eat. Never been able to bring myself to eat kidneys or brains though. Never been THAT hungry. :-X Young whistle pig is delicious bar-b-qed, so is young coon. Possums greasy. Skunk and muskrat is supposed to be good as well as beaver tail. Never tried em. Long Pig according to the cannibals is supposed to taste like pork. :D |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mick on 09/14/10 at 11:21:06 Wolfman,how about beef tounge ? not an oz of fat on em ,make great sandwiches because you can cut it wafer thin,delisious. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by bill67 on 09/14/10 at 11:34:42 People eat bulls nuts too,Not me but I know people who have. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by bill67 on 09/14/10 at 11:40:11 Theres a bar near me on the river were if you swallow a live minnow you get a free drink,I wife did but I wouldn't. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/15/10 at 01:47:25 Never tried beef tongue yet but i would, its pure muscle. Buffalo hump and tongue is supposed to be good as well. To us ozark hillbillys mountain oysters are beef and pig nuts...lol Live minnow? No worse then the worm in the bottom of a bottle of Te kill ya...lol Had a couple of lady friends talk about eatting raw oysters. Said you swallowed them it was the same as swallowing something else..uhh...creamy. I aint eatting no d@mn oysters... :D Raw fish, sushi just dont float my boat either. Had a Vietnamese lady friend made some beef tripe(stomach) for me one night. GOOD GOD that stuff was spicey! Chewy to. Wouldnt touch the Noc Mam sauce she tried to get me to put on it.(Fish Sauce). Know how they make it and 'I' aint touching it...lol Dont care for Kimchi either. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by 12Bravo on 09/15/10 at 05:45:13 Oh come one now. The kimchi would go good with some road kill skunk. ;D they both smell about the same. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mick on 09/15/10 at 15:02:39 I'm a little ticked off,the last time I ate a dozen oysters only 9 of em worked. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/16/10 at 00:00:45 Skunks supposed to be good if you take care in skinning one. Wash your hands before handleing the meat and it wont smell. Be VERY VERY carefull when skinning one though. Tug on the tail and you get a nice smelly shower right in the face...lol Snakes supposed to be good, taste like chicken. Aint it funny how most meats people dont normaly eat "taste like chicken?" :D |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mick on 09/16/10 at 00:23:40 You can go down town London any time ,day or night go to Tubby Isaacs ,he has (you guys call them catering trucks,or a roach coach) He sells the best jellied eels in the world,I'm sure the original Tubby is long gone but I did hear his grandson is running it now. A wealthy man was dying in a new york hospital,one of his last requests was a bucket of jellied eels ,with malt vinigar,they did get them to him before he died. Pure white meat the closest I can think of would be halabut.they are always served with fresh crusty bread and malt vinigar,dang I'm getting hungry just thinking of em. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by 12Bravo on 09/16/10 at 05:47:56 Snakes do taste good. cut them into steaks and fry'em. MMMMMMMMMM. a bog ol snappin turtle is good eatin too. I definitely don't want to hit a turtle (any size) while on the bike. |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by Wolfman on 09/16/10 at 13:34:24 Big ole 10 or 20 lb snapping turtle would make a ROUGH speedbump 12B. Pop your butt out of the seat as well as deflate your tires at the same time...lol Not to crazy about running over snakes either. I can imagine that head a comeing back at your leg mouth open fangs extended. :o :D For some reason when you mentioned kicking at the whistle pig i got to wondering if anyone had ever kicked at a porccupine. That would be a BAD day...lol Mick i got to admit i thought a lot of stuff you brits eat sounded kinda nasty like jellied eels, blood pudding ect. ;) |
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Title: Re: wildlife! Post by mick on 09/16/10 at 16:31:05 Strangely enough I am saving money as we speak for my bucket list trip to England so I can have some good old English food, Fish-n-chips my favorite,pork pies, steak and kidney pie,jellied eels,roast beef n yorkshire pudding, I never cared for blood pudding, But I loved kippers for breakfast,the best kippers I found in this country were at Ceasars Palace in Las Vegas.,just by chance I popped in for breakfast,I was amazed to find them on the menu. |
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