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Message started by Oldfeller on 09/21/10 at 02:08:02

Title: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by Oldfeller on 09/21/10 at 02:08:02

News on front page of the Wall Street Journal -- the first commercial Frankenanimal is nearing final FDA approval stages.

Salmon, once a cheap source of protein taken from unpolluted virgin American rivers and streams is gonna make a big come back in America since they have cut in some genes from certain fast growing junk pout eels to have the frankensalmon grow to full size (plus a bit extra) in about half the time it used to take, also making it more resistant to pollution, etc etc.

Since the Frankenhatch grows to maturity twice as fast soon the volume of fish going up stream to mate will double accordingly. So will the volume of canned and fresh salmon headed for American tables.

When the Obama FDA final approves this designed for food splice job, the frankenspawn will be immediately dumped into the headwaters of every US salmon run, and within 2 years the modified DNA (since it is dominant, of course) will take over all the native salmon populations and within 5 years will BE the American Salmon.

Now, please tell me exactly how that polluted water sludge eating fast growing pout eel-like thing tasted, how about it?

Is the new salmon gonna be all pretty pink still, or is it gonna be a muddy pink color?

::)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/06/AR2010090602424.html

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/21/10 at 04:47:13

What its gonna do is screw things UP

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by Phelonius on 09/21/10 at 05:40:38

There has NEVER been a time that scientifically modified animals have made anything better.
In eastern Oregon in the 19th century the land was covered by grass.
Greedy ranchers over grazed this down to the nub and the grass was gone. There was water just a few feet below the surface so wells were dug and irrigation temporarily helped but as the aquifers were drained there were not replenished because the lack of grass allowed the sparce rain to evaporate before it could sink to the aquifer level. The eastern Oregon became the man made desert it is today.
Then the ranchers decided that the jackrabbits were the cause and were eating to much greenery. the government developed a disease to kill off the jackrabbits. Now the starving coyotes having had there natural food removed began to eat lambs and calves, song birds and anything else they could. The desert became even more austere.
Now coyote eradication programs were introduced etc.
Back east they managed to get Asian carp into the waters, first ostensibly as a game fish. Then the carp became the dominant fish form where ever they went. Trout, bass and other specie began to disappear from lakes and ponds, starved out by the carp eating all the food. What would you rather eat bass or carp?
Now there are walking catfish that move over land to spread to other waters unchecked, and those darn useless fish that are now taking over eastern waters.
When will the idiots learn that just because they can change something doesn't mean it is better or that they should.
Soon there will be no wild salmon left. They will be extinct.
By what right do they think they have to muck up nature for the rest of us.

Phelonius :-/ >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/21/10 at 06:08:48

Frankly, I look at young people & feel sorry for them. The future looks darned grim to me. From more & more govt control, limited opportunity & ruined food, I see poverty & disease for them. Ive watched the downward spiral of America. Like the water in a toilet, it spins faster & faster, till it gurgles & disappears down the tubes. Our rate of spin is increasing & we are steadily moving down. Unless thers a real change in direction in DC, we're gonna go down the tubes.

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by kel30734 on 09/21/10 at 08:12:53

Stock Pile the AMMO and Extra Wepons........
2012 is on the way....
I am going to head to the hills withthe family and hide out for a while till the IDOITS all kill them selvs off
I can Fish, hunt, Grow my own Tabacco and WEED and some corn and Tomatos and Okra and live just a good clean happy life.
oh and make my wun Beer and white Liquer

LIFE WILL BE GOOD....... :) :) :) :) :)
Just my 2C worth

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by mick on 09/21/10 at 11:36:25

phelonius is quite right, all the above did happen in Oregon.
I have not heard of this generic salmon you guys are talking about,
The real problem are the commercial fishermen,if left alone they would happily fish the salmon until they are were all gone,So the fishermen are forced to only fish during the season,and thats fine,but what they should do is ban commercial fishing all together for five years or 8 years,that would bring them back to normal, meanwhile eat farm raised Salmon.
Or you can make a trip to Scotland were they have the best Salmon in the world, please don't argue that point it is true.
My brother in law and Sister are on there anual salmon fishing trip down at the Alsea river Oregon,so far been there 10 days caught one salmon. in a normal year they catch two.

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by Serowbot on 09/21/10 at 11:41:10

... guess what he tells the ladies.... :-?...

http://www.jansworld.net/thebillys/images/giant%20chicken.jpg

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first
Post by bill67 on 09/21/10 at 11:59:38

He tell the ladies c0ck a doodle do,The ladies tell him any c0ck adool.

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by Wolfman on 09/21/10 at 14:21:46

Just a small note on the 'new salmon'.......their sterile.

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by mick on 09/21/10 at 14:27:53

what would be the point of genetic salmon ? if they are sterile ?

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by kel30734 on 09/21/10 at 15:03:03

They are meant for human consumption nor replenishing the worlds population.... The grow faster so you can get more every year..... Feed the world kind of thing
IT AIN'T Rocket Science

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first
Post by Oldfeller on 09/22/10 at 00:38:21

Wolfman,

Share your sources on the sterile thing, I haven't seen it explained fully yet in what I have read.

Closest I have come is some chatter talk like this .....

"The main problem most people have with GM salmon is the thought of environmental impact they could cause. These problems may include interbreeding to cause a “Trojan gene”, or the possibility of creating a pest fish such as Tilapia or Carp.” If transgenic salmon do breed successfully with native fish, their novel gene will escape into the wild gene pool and destroy native salmon populations, which is the so-called “Trojan Gene” theory.” (http://www.primidi.com/2006/01/11.html)

However, these fish are 100% sterile, and therefore not able to reproduce. This is done by preventing the development of the ovaries needed to produce eggs. Make your choice."

;D

Well, that may keep the bulk of the production momma fish out of the picture, but what happens when the unintended and very rare but still gonna happen occasionally males spew their sperm all over standard salmon eggs?

You do realize that there are fertile females that produce eggs and healthy males that spew all over them somewhere in the background of this scheme don't you?

All they got to do is lose track of one male fish that survives the ocean and the trip up a creek somewhere and whammo -- free breeding first generation mixes with normal salmon.

==========

Do you think all of these puppies are sterile too?

"The pending decision is being tracked by biotechnology companies that have invested millions of dollars in developing genetically modified animals for food and are waiting for the FDA to act on their approval requests.

Scientists at the University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada, have asked the FDA to approve their "Enviropig," a hog genetically altered to produce environmentally friendly manure. Hematech of Sioux Falls, S.D., is developing genetically modified cows that are resistant to mad cow disease."

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by mpescatori on 09/22/10 at 03:52:43

"The pending decision is being tracked by biotechnology companies that have invested millions of dollars in developing genetically modified animals for food and are waiting for the FDA to act on their approval requests.

Scientists at the University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada, have asked the FDA to approve their "Enviropig," a hog genetically altered to produce environmentally friendly manure. Hematech of Sioux Falls, S.D., is developing genetically modified cows that are resistant to mad cow disease. "

University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada: sounds like it was founded by the editors of MAD Magazine... :P

Enviropig... to produce environmentally friendly manure... it's sh!t! Aka MANURE ! It's a fertilizer ! How can you get it to be even more environmentally friendly ??? ;D

Hematech ... is developing genetically modified cows that are resistant to mad cow disease
:-? :-? :-?
How about somebody producing cheerleaders who are resistant to... headaches ? :D :D :D

Have a laugh, guys, and enjoy your home growns while you got'em ;)

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by mick on 09/22/10 at 09:42:15

lets make sure those cheer leaders not only never get head aches, but they only like men over 65.

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by bill67 on 09/22/10 at 09:52:27

What Mick is saying is that they like real men not boys.

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by Wolfman on 09/22/10 at 15:07:56

Two different news reports on them, the most recent being last night.
As KEL stated their meant solely for human consumption, not restocking of the wild variety.
One of the fears listed is they would replace the wild salmon. Its been reitterated several time that they are sterile and are being raised in and would continue to be raised in secure facilities to prevent any escapes into the wild.

The second biggest fear is will they be safe for human consumption after gentic modification. Cant be any worse then irradiated beef or meats and veggies with all the d@mn chemicals in them already.
Unless you grow it yourself you have NO IDEA what your eatting now days. HeII, most of the grains we now use have been modified in some way. Corn, soybean, wheat, you name it.

I think its the japanese that are working on makeing either apple or plum trees (cant remember) that taste like strawberries, peachs, ect just so they can raise and eat one type of tree fruit with several flavours.

The sad part is fears of escape are founded on fact. IN recent years there have already been a couple of escapes of geneticly altered species into the wild. They generaly take over the wild variety.
Theres also this to think about for sterile species......Mother Nature always finds a way for them to reproduce.

I dont really know what to think about the salmon, twice as big twice as fast on the same food. Look, smell and taste the same. Could it be a step in evolution of the salmon with mans help?
We're already cloneing.

And you know the thing most folks overlook is the reason. Its to improve crop and meat yields. Why? To feed our ever increaseng populations wolrd wide. Aint got room to swing a dead cat now days for all the folks and we want to feed even more people.
Best to be working on a working space program or else get to work on undersea habitat, because there isnt a lot of land left to fill up with people and be able to have land to produce the geneticly altered crops.

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by mick on 09/22/10 at 16:35:33

I think it's been going on longer than you think,whan I came to this country in 1967 I noticed a big difference in the taste of food,in fact I still don't like it,I guess that's why I never got fat,I eat to live, not live to eat.
For instance the ham is so different,I think the reason is your pigs and beef are corn fed,we don't grow much corn in England the Animals eat there normal diet of grass and slop for the pigs ,we get the slop from schools and Army barracks, The bacon you serve here the butcher gives away in England or did at one time,bread is a terrible excuse for bread, Breaking bread in America is a joke,if you wanted to you could squeeze a whole loaf into the size of a golf ball. And real cheese Chedder cheese from chedder England,same with Cheshire cheese from cheshire England.
You guys might have heard bad things about british food ,but it's great wholesome food and the taste is ten times better ,Fish-n-chips to die for,cold Atlantic fish is way better than warm water fish,ask any new Englander ,or old Englander. Maine Lobster ,crab cakes I found the best in Boston,ok our sea food is about the same if it's frome the east coast.

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by tcreeley on 09/24/10 at 09:29:53

GMO is the foot in the door for all meat products. I wonder what eating the GMO stuff will do to people? Can't be good- sort of like eating garbage chemicals that weren't meant to be eaten. But then all of the fish in the world glow with mercury, so what will be the difference. Most of us already glow with trash chemicals!
Where was this super salmon when they need fish to swim Love Canal when it was burning! ;D

Title: Re: GM salmon to be first "frankenanimal"
Post by BurnPgh on 09/26/10 at 20:26:05

Just eat up and let what is, decay. Been a long time coming. Don't worry about us youngins. Most of us will be dead. The ones that survive will rebuild and hopefully learn from the mistakes of the generations that preceeded us. What isnt going to happen is a grafting of something better onto what exists. Gotta let it fall before you build it back up, so sit back, relax, indulge, and enjoy the show.