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Title: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/03/10 at 08:46:37 In the voting results yesterday, my son-in-law got elected to the Ohio House of Representatives, gathering over 70% of the vote from his district. My daughter, his wife, is a city councilman in our town. She was the only one out of 7 on council who refused to endorse a proposal on the ballot yesterday to double our city income tax. The other 6 members of council supported the tax increase. She led the fight against it all by herself. The tax was defeated by an overwhelming margin of 80% of the voters voting against it. I'm a "Proud Papa" this morning for both of them. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/03/10 at 08:51:36 4748444E4548434F485F4A485F2D0 wrote:
And so you should be ,dang shame they are republicans ;) They are republicans arent they ? |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by buttgoat1 on 11/03/10 at 09:21:20 Congratulations Jerry! The people spoke, the question is, did Washington hear the overwhelmingly clear message? |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/03/10 at 10:42:33 Mick - You're darn right they are Republicans. My son-in-law's Dem opponent played really nasty, and it backfired on him Probably in about two weeks he will get sued by another office holder about who he actually told lies that the guy was a child molester, which is totally not true. This a$$hole was so desparate, he just tried anything to discredit any current R office holder. I did see you car under the Clay thread- really gorgeous. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by kimchris1 on 11/03/10 at 10:50:47 Congtatulations Jerry to your daughter as well as your son n law. It is always nice to hear of one person standing up against others and coming out on top. She did not let the others intimidate her. I wish your son n law all the best as he ventures farther into politics. I believe that Washington got a good head ups after yesterdays elections.. :) kim |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by babyhog on 11/03/10 at 12:44:10 Kudos! |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/03/10 at 13:28:10 So now they will undo what Obama has done, take out any medical plan . just about undo everything,I guess you guys really loved Bush ,because we are headed right back there ,once again America is the laughing stock of the world,one step forward two steps back. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/03/10 at 13:51:58 Mick - I wish it were that easy. Remember, Dems still control the Senate. I don't see a repeal of the Health Bill. I do see some fine tuning. Any bill that big has unforeseen problems in it that need refinement. For instance, the requirement that each employer cover its employees makes no provision for someone like me and my little operations. I have two employees who are covered on their spouses' insurance, which the spouses' employers provide. As the law now stands, when it goes into effect, each person's employer will have to cover that person - so I'll have to cover my employee, the spouses will be covered by their employers. Sounds OK, but in reality, it increases the premium totals that both employers pay. That sure makes no sense. The bill is riddled with little problems like that one, since it was rushed into place so fast, the Dems didn't sit back and think, and read carefully what they were proposing. Many Congressmen admitted that they never read the whole bill. That bill should have been debated over a couple of years - it was too massive to be rushed thru. Then, those little problems could have been identified and fixed before the bill was passed. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by buttgoat1 on 11/03/10 at 14:01:34 4B4F454D524E434A4F4B435F260 wrote:
lets pray they do. the irony is some dems were running adds about how they were AGAINST Obuma care (WV governor Manchin) nope, the world is still laughing at the Won, speaking of, It seems he is going to Mumbai to the tune of $200M a DAY, it would be better if he went golfing...... ALL the time |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/03/10 at 14:14:20 Jerry ,the one and only SIMPLE SOLUSION is the single payer system like they have in the UK and Europe, have no dealings with insurance company's,put them out of the picture,all they want is money. Uncle Sam is our insurer. When Britain started the health plan every one was given a single peace of paper , all your instructions were on it, "Pick your Doctor" make an appountment ,go see him or her and register. need a hospital ? go to the nearest one . And that was about it. Why in gods name do you guys have to complicate everything. All you have to do to finance it is bring our troops home wars are not cheap. then every single person pays into the government ex amount of dollars for every one in your family, got a bunch of kids ,tough sh1t you will pay more,you should have thought about that befor you became a cathlic. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/03/10 at 14:21:34 Mick - That's the rub. I represent insurance companies everyday. I see the mpay claims they owe, and ones they don't even owe. The only people who b!tch about insurance companies are ones who either don't understand the basic principles of contract law, or don't understand insurance in the first place. I'll take their decission making ANY day over some gov't employee's. It's really that simple. But let's not re-hash this whole health care issue again - we did that for about 150 posts 2 over the past 2 years. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/03/10 at 14:28:24 2F202C262D202B272037222037450 wrote:
Ok fair enough,you know how I feel about it and I know how you feel, we need not discuss it any more ,unless some politition comes up with a workable plan.not in my live time I bet.,or yours. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by babyhog on 11/03/10 at 18:49:05 Jerry, I normally mostly agree with you, but I have a question. Why would it increase both companies premiums to only cover the employee of each company? My husband had much cheaper insurance than I was getting at my company, so I got on his plan. We had to pay $40 per month extra, because I have insurance available through my place of employment. I guess its because they want to cover employees, but not necessarily spouses. Anyway, at the time, it was still cheaper, even with the extra $40 tacked on. (And comparable coverage, so I'm not brining that part into this). His went up 3 months after we transferred to it, so now I am considering going back to my company's policy for me, and he stay on his company's policy. Waiting for numbers, but I think it is going to be cheaper for us that way. So why would it be more for each company? |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by verslagen1 on 11/03/10 at 19:12:21 Just had my open enrollment meeting today. Guess what? you can't opt out any more due to Obama Care. We used to be able to pick the best insurance between me and my before she was ex and get a little extra to cover it. Now you're forced to take company insurance. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by kimchris1 on 11/03/10 at 20:20:51 That is strange as I just completed my enrollment last Friday, and was able to opt out of the medical from my employer and stay on husbands. I will make a call tomorrow and make sure, yet it did ask me if I was covered under spouse's? kim |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by tldk1678 on 11/03/10 at 20:28:09 Heads up Babyhog. Obamacare makes it mandatory to take your companys insurance if offered. I had to drop my wife from my insurance and she has to take her more expensive crappier coverage insurance. our costs have more than doubled. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by verslagen1 on 11/03/10 at 20:48:53 but it's for the good of the peeeeeeple don't worry, working spouses of legislature will get it fixed. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Fuschia on 11/03/10 at 21:41:48 6F6D69676C766D7735040 wrote:
Can you let me know what you find out? I'm also under my husband's insurance :( |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Serowbot on 11/03/10 at 21:58:42 About half the people I know, have health insurance... and all of them are either state or federal employees, or retired on medicare...... or Raytheon,... which might as well be Fed... So,... I'm paying for their healthcare... I wouldn't mind if I got some too,... if everybody got some, equally... No one, here, I know, working in the private sector, has health coverage... but they're all paying city, state, and federal tax... We're all paying it in.... we should all get the benefit.... |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/03/10 at 22:27:38 & the point the Constitutionalists would make is. IF people werent forced to Pay In, then theyd HAVE $$$ to get insurance with. We aretaxed to send $$$ to other countries & keep bases open on other continents. Many, Many wasteful things being paid for by taxing the people.. maybe we otta have a look at some of that.. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/03/10 at 23:34:45 5456525C574D564C0E3F0 wrote:
Kim ,everyone here goes into a panic mode before they read all the new instructions.Like little lost sheep. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/04/10 at 04:59:24 Costs go up when each employee must be covered under his/her employer's plan because the premium for the primary insured is more, and the premium for the family coverage is less. In two worker households, there won't be any family coverage anymore except for the kids. Each worker will be required to be covered by his/her own employer. Just an example of a silly result from rushing a very complex bill thru so fast for political expediency. Remember, ALWAYS when gov't gets involved in something, it's more expensive than what the private sector can do it for. Gov't has never had a motive to be cost efficient. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by babyhog on 11/04/10 at 05:04:10 So which spouse covers the kids? One of those whoevers-birthday-comes-first-in-the-year deals? Or can that be chosen by the parents? |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/04/10 at 05:13:53 BH - Sorry, I don't know the answer to that one yet. Ask your health insurance agent, or HR dept. if you work for a large employer. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/04/10 at 07:24:49 717E7278737E75797E697C7E691B0 wrote:
fewer and fewer company's offer health insurance. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by LostArtist on 11/04/10 at 07:43:40 18 months isn't rushed through . . . just saying and what we are getting now are a bunch of different companies all finding different ways to profiteer from the bill and blame the government. they helped write the bill, they knew this was going to happen. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/04/10 at 07:54:48 LA - The perpetual cynic. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/04/10 at 08:00:29 15362A2D182B2D302A2D590 wrote:
+ 1 |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/04/10 at 08:04:54 Oregon Stayed with a Democrat for governer,John Kitzhaber, a 3rd term Governer,Way to go Oregon ! and still no purchase tax in Oregon. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by LostArtist on 11/04/10 at 08:16:46 404F4349424F44484F584D4F582A0 wrote:
sorry, I don't trust corporations, I don't trust government either though . . . and I definitely don't trust the media so I'm kinda just stuck here not know anything and I refuse to buy into either side so I'm stuck here in the middle forcing myself to rationalize this crazy crap going on congrats though on the victory for your family |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/04/10 at 08:25:17 LA - Thanks for your kind words. We'll work on converting you to a free enterprise thinker <g>. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/04/10 at 19:44:47 What Sen McConnell is realy saying...... Republicans want to let insurance companys go back to denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions,Let them go back to charging women twice as much as men for the same coverage,and let them push millions of seniors back into the medicare doughnut hole. You republicans must be so proud, you have put everything in reverse we are all headed backward again. I remember now way back before the election hardly anyone wanted medical insurance, because (you said) you would rather do without, I feel so benieth all you millionares,perhaps you guys should be on a Rolls Royce forum. I have never in my life seen working men and women voting for republicans ,talk about fu+king brainwashed,jesus christ unbelievable. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by WebsterMark on 11/05/10 at 05:51:12 Mick; I don't know any Republicans who said they'd rather not have insurance. I don't know any Republicans who said they want sick people to die slowly because they didn't have insurance. That's NONSENSE. No serious person would ever say that. What we did say over and over again is pushing through this massive healthcare bill all at once was stupid. Someone else was complaining about how employers are 'surprising' the experts by dropping coverage for their employees and sending them to Uncle Sam. Surprise?! Everyone saw that coming. Everyone, me, you and corporations look out for their own interest first. That's not a surprise. What's surprising is so many Dem congressmen foolishly went along with it and now 60 of them are out of a job. if working men and women are voting for Republicans now it is because they are seeing the Democrats policies didn't work and are harmful in the long run. You're confusing Democrats with compassion. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/05/10 at 06:39:50 Mick and WM - I said it all along that all that was needed to solve over 90% of the issues with health care was to outlaw pre-existing condition exceptions. Premiums will rise a bit, but so what - that's the price you pay to include nearly everyone. As in all things, there never is a perfect, 100% solution, for absolutely everyone. What we got is analagous to hunting rabbits with quad .50 caliber machine guns mounted on a truck. There was a small problem that needed a limited solution. But, as they typically do, Dems saw an opportunity to greatly expand government's role, and seized upon it. We now have a monster. One of the basic tenets of insurance is to try to match premium to the risk being insured. That's why a Ferrari costs more to insure than a Ford Focus. For instance, smokers have paid more for health and life insurance for the last few decades, as they should - they are at higher risk for health claims, and they live shorter lives, by and large, as their heirs collect on their life insurance sooner. The same for women - even routine, natural childbirths cost money, and as far as I now, women are the only ones who birth children. If a woman with 3 kids is as healthy as they come, she'll still have more health insurance claims than will a man in equally good health - hence, her premium should be higher. But, Mick, you have to admit that you had life saving surgery under the old program of a combination of very basic coverage from Medicare, combined with the private, supplemental policy that you decided to buy to protect yourself - wise, my Friend. What did you really pay, out of pocket, for a surgery and long hospital stay that saved your life? |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Serowbot on 11/05/10 at 08:45:14 RISING PREMIUMS Year Single Family 2000 $2,471 $6,438 2001 $2,689 $7,061 2002 $3,083 $8,003 2003 $3,383 $9,068 2004 $3,695 $9,950 2005 $4,024 $10,880 2006 $4,242 $11,480 2007 $4,479 $12,106 2008 $4,704 $12,680 2009 $4,824 $13,375 Source: Kaiser Family Foundation; Health Research & Educational Trust |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/05/10 at 08:52:55 Just pointing to the costs & showing they rose dramatically doesnt make the MEDical system bad. While I wont say its fair & reasonable, I WILL point to the change in the value of the dollar & inf;ation in other [places. Gold in january in 2000 was under 300 bux. Look at it now. IOW, part of the price increase is simple inflation. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/05/10 at 09:08:11 Jerry I paid nothing out of pocket,zero. That is not the point ,many people cant afford that $228 a month extra insurance I can barely handle it my self ,it's a case of I cant afford not to be insured,that 228 is a huge chunk out of my meagre 1100 a month.If I wasn't living on my sisters property I could deffinately not afford it.I would be out of luck,and more than likely dead. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/05/10 at 09:09:01 Serowbot - There numbers are ridiculous - I have no idea who was surveyed. More importantly, what is the age group for which te premiums are supposedly valid? Health insurance premiums vary widely by completelness of the plan, smoking history, and most importantly, AGE. We OFs have more claims, and as we age, the claims sky rocket. My monthly premium for Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield family coverage under a VERY complete plan is $1800 monthly. And it's only that high because of my age, 63, and my wife's age, 62, and my history of heart stents and past smoking. My 40 year partner's premium for the exact same plan, and including his 2 children still in his household is $1100 a month. His wife is a few years younger than he, so she's still of child bearing age, and in fact, is expecting another child next month. So that's currently 4 people insured for $1100 a month - pretty fair premium. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/05/10 at 09:24:02 Mick - Mr friend, there is another alternative - a person who can't afford the premium you have could have worked some sort of part-time job if needed to earn $228 per month. Federal minimum wage is somewhere around $7.30 an hour - I can't recall exactly. Let's call it $7 for ease of figuring. Even at just minimum wage, that would require 32 hours of minimum wage work per MONTH to pay for it, or about 8 hours per week. Now with kids around here getting $10 per hour to work in a grocery store, that number of required hours of work goes down to 22.8 per month, or about 5 hours per week or 1 hour per workday. If this person already has a job, get another and work 3, eight hours shifts on Saturday, and it's paid for. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/05/10 at 09:25:56 your premium Jerry is a little less than alot of people earn per month. $400 a week thats alot of scratch. who in the heck can afford that every week ? Speak up people who can afford that premium ? Come on all you dyed in the wool repubs,speak up. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by buttgoat1 on 11/05/10 at 09:44:47 My 3 teenage kids coverage costs me around $550 a month with a high deductible plan, offered through my employer. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Serowbot on 11/05/10 at 10:01:42 The 8 year Bush/Republican record is doubling cost, and increasing the uninsured... If you don't like "Obamacare",... maybe you should have accepted "Hillarycare" when it was offered... ... but the Bush plan of non-action put you in this position... any Republican plan, should have happened when the Republicans were in charge... They did nothing... Truth is,... they don't want to fix anything... just to continue lining the pockets of the HMO's and big Pharma... and their own coffers... Repub's harp on a "takeover" of one sixth of the US economy.... the point is,... it shouldn't be one sixth of the economy... The whole, convoluted system, needs to be 86'd and reborn... ... this will not fix with a couple of pieces of band-aid legislation... |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Serowbot on 11/05/10 at 10:03:48 534457424443445748250 wrote:
add in what it costs your employer,... and your co-pays, and deductibles... That's all still cost to you.... |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/05/10 at 10:53:07 Guys - Mick and I had "agreed" earlier this week not to re-hash the whole health care debate that we posted to death for over a year. Is there anything really new to say that hasn't been said before? I started this thread just to blow my own horn a lttle bit. Now to go on to something else: Our town had a proposal on the ballot on Tuesday to double our city income tax. Thanks in no small part to the efforts of one city councilman, my daughter, it went down in flames with almost 80% of the voters rejecting it. So, where does our town of 15,000 people come up with the $2.2 million that this tax incresae would have generated? Here are a few of her ideas: 1. Our building department did 8700 building inspections in 2006, the last year of the building boom. So far this year, they've done 1600. But, do you think the city has laid off any inspectors? Not on your life. At least 3 of them need to be shown their walking papers, and one of the secretaries in the dept. can be let go. Several phone lines can be discontinued, one copier lease can be terminated, etc., etc. 2. The city police force can be disbanded, and the city can contract with the county sheriff, who has already said that he can provide dedicated deputies and dedicated cruisers to stay in our town, and provide exactly the same number of officers, cruisers, and man hours of coverage that the city police dept. provides and at a savings of $1.4 million per year. The sheriff would hire the current city cops as deputies, and hire the current police chief as a chief deputy - no one loses a job, the citizens get the same protection, and we save a ton of money. He would even take over our cruisers, re-paint them in sheriff colors, and use them. 3. We stop providing all of the needlessly fancy recreational srevices like more city parks than you can imagine, walking and bike paths, etc. until revenues pick back up as the economy improves. Just close and mothball them until we can afford to re-open them. Take your walk on the sidewalk - what a novel idea, huh? 4. Five years ago the city manager and the mayor did all of the city's financial stuff. During the boom years, the city went nuts and hired a 6 figure per year finance director, and a $60,000 assistant finance director. They both need to go, and make the city manager and mayor actually work again. 5. Fire the 6 figure public information director. I don't need him to tell me where the soon to be mothballed city parks are, or when the swimming pool opens next spring. I can call and find out for myself. This is just an example of how some creative thinking on the part of one councilman can avoid a tax increase and still provide necessary services, like police protection, while eliminating some idle emplyees and unneeded crap. If your town is crying the blues over its financial condition, think it thru - maybe some of these ideas can serve your town too. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by bill67 on 11/05/10 at 11:21:21 Jerry like i said the other day we have to many people in Congress,We only need one from each state. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/05/10 at 11:24:33 3. We stop providing all of the needlessly fancy recreational srevices like more city parks than you can imagine, walking and bike paths, etc. until revenues pick back up as the economy improves. Just close and mothball them until we can afford to re-open them. Take your walk on the sidewalk - what a novel idea, huh? The people who use them mite be willing to keep them up. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by buttgoat1 on 11/05/10 at 11:52:54 nope, then the city workers union will complain, they did that a few years ago when boy scouts were doing walking trails and such. Here in VA, the state closed down the rest areas and laid off the maintenance workers but no bureaucrats got laid off, a few furloughs for some state emplyees but that is all. There is lots of fat to cut but somehow police, fire, and schools are always cut by the bureaucracy. Hmmm, must be good to be king....... wait, aren't THEY the public servants? or the masters? |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Serowbot on 11/05/10 at 12:22:21 Right!,.. don't fire the guy that cuts the grass... Fire the guy that tells the guy to cut the grass... More savings, and the stuff still gets done... ;)... |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/05/10 at 12:49:55 Amen to that !!! Serowbot and I agree - whadda think of that? |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by JohnBoy on 11/05/10 at 13:23:50 I think that Americans sleep better when the White House and the Congress are controlled by different parties. I know that I do! “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Obama stepped into the worst mess since Hoover and I am not ready to throw him out just yet. But I believe he is a pragmatist, and he is going to understand that there are a whole lot of Americans that don't want to go where he is trying to take them. Right or wrong, their votes count! |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by LostArtist on 11/05/10 at 13:30:41 7B5E595F735E48310 wrote:
I agree with this, I like a republican congress and a democrat white house. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Serowbot on 11/05/10 at 13:40:03 414E4248434E45494E594C4E592B0 wrote:
How'd that happen?... :-?... ;)... |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/05/10 at 13:42:24 LA - I too don't mind divided power, but if we have to have it, I prefer an R in the White House. The Pres. has the power, enormous power, in foregn policy. Pres. can mainly act alone in the foregn policy arena; far more than he can do domestically. While people can whine about GWB and the wars, historically, Rs are more sensitive to what matters for the U.S. abroad - they are broader thinkers. Nixon opened China after decades of its isolation, ended the Vietnam war. Reagan ended the Cold War with the Soviets. Bush One had the guts to throw Saddam out of Kuwait. Dem Presidents since Truman : Kennedy and Johnson got us in the mess in Vietnam; left it to Nixon to end it. Clinton was always bombing somebody - Bosnia, and other Balkans mainly. Carter was a disaster in foreign policy - could not get the Iranian hostages out; Reagan did in a matter of days. Carter's only foreign policy achievment was the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt - give him kudos for that. So, I'll take an R on foreign policy over the long run. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by buttgoat1 on 11/05/10 at 14:12:42 I remember seeing a political analyst years ago on election night. They asked him who he thought would be better as pres, he said he didn't care as long as that party didn't also control Congress. A R congress is what saved Clinton. The irony is how little O has been able to do with a majority in both houses, like herding cats........ |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by bill67 on 11/05/10 at 14:16:39 Nixon got us trading with China best thing that ever happened to us. Reagan almost got our debts payed off. Clinton blew all the money the republicans saved bombing other countries.Iran was afraid of Carter, By not freeing the hostages it got him out of office just what Iran wanted.I'm sure happy that we had some republican presidents, Other wise our country would be in bad shape. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/05/10 at 14:24:14 Bill - You worry too much about financial matters, to te exclusion of other things. Finances and debts are important, yes. But so was ending Vietnam and opening up China - yes, trade with China is VERY good for us. They are no longer running around acting like wild men, ready to explode on a moment's notice - they now see the benefit of belonging to the community of nations, rather than being a rogue state like they were. 40 years ago China was a lot like North Korea is now - a threat to stability. Now they are a stabilizing force in the region, if not the whole world. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by bill67 on 11/05/10 at 15:16:51 Jerry the American workers don't have jobs because of China working kids 12 hour days for low wages,I just heard last night 45% of the blacks getting out of high school can't fine a job,Their not on the unemployed list because they never had a job.Our top CEO's along with Congress is doing us in,Why do they care they benefit from the low wages.The Chinese,Mexicans .and a few Muslims are bankrupting out country.The Muslims by us spending billions of dollars on wars.Our Congress has been outsmarted. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/05/10 at 15:49:41 59565A505B565D515641545641330 wrote:
if for some reason we went to war with north Korea,I bet China would not come to our aid, they would side with NK in a heart beat. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by bill67 on 11/05/10 at 18:00:54 7C78727A6579747D787C7468110 wrote:
if for some reason we went to war with north Korea,I bet China would not come to our aid, they would side with NK in a heart beat.[/quote] +1 You can't buy love |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/05/10 at 18:32:46 No, but it can be rented.. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/06/10 at 16:13:12 Bill Mahar was saying last night on his show ,that the republicans and tea baggers by voting democrats out they cut themselves out of unemployment money, the dems were going to go a little longer with benifits ,but the repubs put a stop to that in a hurry,well we all know the republicans are not known for there savvey,just there greed. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/06/10 at 16:32:34 Thank God the dems arent greedy... naaah, not Them, theyre angels,, just wanting the best for everyone, paying for it, with YOUR $$$$. I cant afford to be so well protected. |
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Title: Re: A great night for us Post by mick on 11/06/10 at 21:58:33 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
not my $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ remember I'm retired my income pretty much stays the same,with the ocasional raise . It will be so funny when these idiots go to pick up there unemployment check and then find out they stopped it themselves. |
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