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Title: Cafe posting Post by sluggo on 12/17/10 at 16:19:02 192C3B3B302D281A283F282E2C490 wrote:
now thats the way to turn the post motorcycle related. lets keep it that way. i could give a rats arse what the chineese are doing. |
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Title: Re: Ghost cities of China Post by mick on 12/17/10 at 23:19:30 Sluggo you mods must stop contradicting yourselves, didn't a moderator start this post ? I thought the cafe was just about any subject except, Politics and religion, and name calling and generaly being polite, I think we all pretty much adhere to the rules with the odd slip up. just my 2 cents worth. |
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Title: Re: Ghost cities of China Post by sluggo on 12/18/10 at 01:28:17 I believe the guidelines are quite clear on the matter. yes we can wander off the path on occasion but to keep it moter cyle related. yet it seem that the cafe has become another chat room not motorcycle related. there are other places to discuss most of these posts. tall table is one of them. feel free to re read them if you wish. as far as a moderator starting the thread well thats a whole nother matter but please don't group us all together as one. yes i was away for some time and thing have gotten of path, it's time to get it back on track. |
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Title: Re: Ghost cities of China Post by babyhog on 12/18/10 at 05:47:37 I don't even read the tall table because I thought it was basically politics. Just my two cents, but its winter time for most of us and motorcycling is mostly out... if we must always talk motorcycles, I think the forum will basically die... due to lack of posts... How about a whole new "section" for non-motorcycle related stuff? |
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Title: Re: Ghost cities of China Post by 12Bravo on 12/18/10 at 06:32:12 3F3C3D303228510 wrote:
Sounds like an idea to look into. |
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Title: Re: Ghost cities of China Post by photojoe on 12/18/10 at 06:35:22 253A23313139560 wrote:
The tall table isn't tall enough for all of the non-bike related posts. It was created for use as a sort of political minefield. It was needed and is serving it's purpose. BH makes a good point. There is a need for at least one sub-forum for non-bike related discussions. Every other forum I belong to has at least one of these "anything goes" types of sub-forums. It helps keep our society going during off times, and it's a good way to socialize. Think of it more for camaraderie than anything else. |
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Title: Re: Ghost cities of China Post by bill67 on 12/18/10 at 06:46:21 I think there to many now. |
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Title: Re: Ghost cities of China Post by mick on 12/18/10 at 10:11:50 how about calling it "The Speakeasy" |
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Title: Re: Ghost cities of China Post by photojoe on 12/18/10 at 11:44:17 5F5B5159465A575E5B5F574B320 wrote:
Sounds good to me. We can get rid of the Political Compass or the map of Savage Riders since they're no longer being used, or have become inactive for a good period of time. They've run their course. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by verslagen1 on 12/18/10 at 12:57:17 One hell of a highjack guys, go ahead, discuss it to your hearts content. |
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Title: Re: Ghost cities of China Post by mornhm - FSO on 12/19/10 at 07:05:42 6566676A68720B0 wrote:
This has been suggested a couple of times to no avail. Good luck this time. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by bill67 on 12/19/10 at 08:05:50 The cafe is for posting about almost anything. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Lupo on 12/19/10 at 09:15:01 5F5451510B0A3D0 wrote:
This seems the way the forum heads. At various times I've tried to stimulate some motorcycle conversation and after little or no response the threads die. On the other hand, post a Happy Veterans Day or Season Greeting and the conversation becomes page after page of vile crap about how foolish anyone is to believe other then the beliefs of a few dominant posters here. I even received a hateful slang word directed at me because of a disabled child I have. Why do I continue to even view the forums here? Because I'm not a coward like the few that hide behind a keyboard and most here are mutually enthusiastic motorcyclists who are interesting when not drowned in vile crap. Sometime I'll post how I really feel ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by mick on 12/19/10 at 09:25:34 2B362C232637400 wrote:
This seems the way the forum heads. At various times I've tried to stimulate some motorcycle conversation and after little or no response the threads die. On the other hand, post a Happy Veterans Day or Season Greeting and the conversation becomes page after page of vile crap about how foolish anyone is to believe other then the beliefs of a few dominant posters here. I even received a hateful slang word directed at me because of a disabled child I have. Why do I continue to even view the forums here? Because I'm not a coward like the few that hide behind a keyboard and most here are mutually enthusiastic motorcyclists who are interesting when not drowned in vile crap. Sometime I'll post how I really feel ;D ;D[/quote] good idea Lupo,don't hold back,let it all out. So how ya been ? haven't seen you post in a few days. Keep posting motorcycling stuff I do like that the best , but I do wander up to the tall table for some political stuff, and my favorite ,Religion. watch your PM. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Oldfeller on 12/19/10 at 09:25:38 Bill is actually fairly close, but there were some exceptions taken by Savage Rob in the latest (2008) write up of the Cafe Rules. Political, religious and personal attacks seem to be the thrust of the restrictions. The "mostly motorcycle" was much more loosely stated. I think that over time that the Tall Table and Mostly Political were added to give people a place to do stuff that would break the PG rating of the Cafe and possibly upset the gentler minded folks. The intent seems to have been that they would keep the nasty stuff in the special threads 100% of the time and not ever leak any of it out into the Cafe proper. Problem as it exists right now seems to center around a few people who are hijacking threads and interjecting a religious or a political rant or two where it wasn't asked for. This is sad, but it is what has caused some of the moderators starting taking a harder line on things. Personally, I like the Speakeasy idea, but the problem that exists with the Speakeasy idea is some folks view the list through the "Last 10 Posts" method and they would get the R rated output of the Speakeasy right along with the normal PG flow from the rest of the list -- and if you view this stuff at work a single dirty joke or a scantily clad girl could get you into big trouble. So, if you did the Speakeasy thing it might require turning off the "Last 10 Posts" method and I am not sure you can even really do that. I also would note that the Tall Table and Mostly Political have given the same heartache to the "Last 10 Posts" people for years now but I don't remember hearing them complain about it ..... (at least not loudly). So, here are the current rules for the place so if you are going to discuss it please at least talk to what the current rules currently really are, not what you might remember them to be (or you might think they should be). Please, let's try to figure out something to allow everyone to get what they want, and respect those who want something less (or something more) than you might want. The only solution to this issue is finding a way that is win-win for everybody involved. Is there a way that permits "everybody gets to play"? (and nicely too) ========================== CURRENT CAFE RULES Hope you enjoy this forum. Almost anything goes here with the following guidelines: * Must be work appropriate -- be kind to your fellow members and don't post stuff that would get someone in trouble if they had it open at work. * Keep the MAJORITY of stuff in here motorcycle related but some other stuff is ok. However, highly divisive topics (including, but not limited to politics and religion) are to be avoided. The current divisiveness is counterproductive to the community of this site and such posts/threads will be subject to removal. *Personal attacks of any kind will not be tolerated. Bring your own coffee and happy gabbing at the Cafe... Grin Here's the tough one: UNLESS YOU POST IN THIS THREAD THAT YOU WILL ABIDE BY THE GUIDLINES YOUR POSTS WILL BE DELETED! |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/19/10 at 09:28:08 Ill bet a fella could go to a camp out, with no one there who doesnt ride, & the campfire chat would be about things motorcycle related some & about stuff NOT Motorcycle related.. People talk about different things with the folks they know,, its really kinda normal.. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by mick on 12/19/10 at 09:38:51 + 1 |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Oldfeller on 12/19/10 at 10:00:18 Also it is kinda normal for long threads here to move from item to item as the conversation goes along, heck we can't even keep on topic when we are having an oil war fer goodness sakes. Conversations are like that in the real world. Why should the Cafe be any different? |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Lupo on 12/19/10 at 10:02:05 I do several M/C rallys each year and in fact assist as staff with a very large one here in Arizona. Conversations do range about almost anything besides motorcycles. However, a line of respect seems to prevail regarding religion and politics when around the main campfire. To push my views on people who haven't asked is no different then going door to door on a Saturday morning. My best friend and I are complete opposites politically yet we ride thousands of miles together each year and have for almost 30 years now. Once in a while a light comment comes out to see if thoughts have changed but as respect to a great friendship the topic changes to something mutual. I think we all have some knowledge but no one has all the knowledge. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/19/10 at 10:02:23 Maybe cuz someone got it in their head its "Sposed" to be this One Thing,, & life just dont work like that. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Oldfeller on 12/19/10 at 10:14:28 Justin, check me on this as I might have it wrong. People read the same words and get different shades of meaning from it. Are the current Cafe rules getting interpreted differently by different folks -- is this what you are saying here? (or am I totally all screwed up again .... it happens to me periodically) |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Boule’tard on 12/19/10 at 11:11:01 Yes the cafe rules are definitely getting interpreted differently by different folks, and I'd say the general interpretation is pretty loose. A thread on "national sales tax" or "enough is enough" are about as political as topics get. But nobody complained, so we assume nobody has a problem with it. Anyone who sees something they find offensive and is on the wrong side of forum-decorum should send a PM to complain. Don't be like Charon and just take off, citing politics as the reason but leaving no opportunity to correct the problem. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Oldfeller on 12/19/10 at 11:26:31 I agree with Boule, if you have a problem contact a Moderator and be completely honest about what ticked you off. In turn, the Moderator needs to be honest with the person who did the offense. If it was politics, say politics. If religion, say religion. If personal attack, say personal attack. For heaven's sake, not "only talking motorcycle" isn't/hasn't been what people have really been beefing to you about, has it really? |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by mick on 12/19/10 at 12:00:33 As for me I know I am one of the religious and political free thinkers. However I try to keep my stuff at the tall table.,sometimes it gets away from me by someone answering in the cafe,then I try to steer them north,I have almost completly lost interest in politics,as we speak I have changed from a democrat to a indipendant. And trying to get you guys more in tune with the rest of the world by asking you to support any health plan.that is also going to stop,it's like flogging a dead horse. And one more thing every time I post motorcycling related posts they fall to the bottom real fast.unlike Sales Tax that I didn't post but it's still there. Look at the number of members who have posted in the tall table,then look at the others. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Paladin. on 12/19/10 at 16:05:35 49445E474E5F4A594F2B0 wrote:
I assume that the Moderators have their own Forum for you guys to talk together about what the rules should be. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Oldfeller on 12/19/10 at 16:45:45 Yes, but in this case folks may be reading the same words in the rules and getting different results from it, which is why we asked the question. Plus you guys had already started talking about it, so as Verslagen pointed out -- go ahead and talk it out. It really isn't an "us vs them" thing, it's a "we gotta fix it together" thing. One thing that has come up so far is some people are upset at getting their threads hijacked by folks talking politics and religion in a thread that had nothing to do with such stuff -- thread got derailed and abandoned and such. This is a valid complaint -- so complain honestly if you have a beef about it happening to you (pick whichever moderator you feel most comfortable with and PM them). Please don't make moderators have to second guess if you feel over-run -- they will make mistakes both ways if they have to second guess you. Hint: a moderator's telepathy isn't any better than yours is. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Boule’tard on 12/19/10 at 17:51:59 72434E43464B4C220 wrote:
I assume that the Moderators have their own Forum for you guys to talk together about what the rules should be.[/quote] Sure, but feedback from everyone is welcome, on whether the rule interpretation should be looser, stricter, or leave it as-is. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Starlifter on 12/19/10 at 20:08:56 As someone mentioned up-post, winter is here, and for those of us in the north-country that means that the bike is sitting covered in the garage with the battery on trickle charge in the basement. Now for those of you who live in sunny and warm climes, you can ride and presumable talk "motorcycles" all year long. For those of us here in the snow belt, we need to chat about other matters in the wintertime because lets face it, the riding season is months away and the bikes are so cold your tongue would stick to them. To keep us here day after day in the long winter season we need to be able to exchange ideas. Controversial ideas. It's FUN. For us to exchange ideas that we deem interesting, we must venture into the taboo subjects of politics, religion, and other controversial areas where we can get the juices flowing, and marvel at the jaw dropping attitudes, beliefs, political and religious views, and opinions of others here at SS.com. We exchange jabs and sometimes get downright nasty and "pissed" at each other...but at the end of the day we are all brothers and sisters united by this wonderful bike. The job of the mods should be to move any threads they deem as too controversial for the cafe over to the tall table and let it go at that. NOT to delete the thread unless it's so outrageous it is obvious that should go e.g. the deranged remarks of some nut that we were plagued with on the site some months ago. Everyone at that time united to rid the site of this outrages troll. Talk just motorcycles day after day and a whole lot of us will just lose interest, drift away to other sites, and say "see you in the spring". ...just my two cents... |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Lupo on 12/19/10 at 20:33:31 So what you mean is you can only talk motorcycle while you are able to ride. Your interest in the sport is so narrow that unless it's about you, nobody else has a right to voice interest. Rather then moving your personal blathers about politics or beliefs to the appropriate forum during YOUR off season you must highjack threads from this forum and try to promote anger because "it's FUN". |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Starlifter on 12/19/10 at 21:19:18 "So what you mean is you can only talk motorcycle while you are able to ride. Your interest in the sport is so narrow that unless it's about you, nobody else has a right to voice interest. Rather then moving your personal blathers about politics or beliefs to the appropriate forum during YOUR off season you must highjack threads from this forum and try to promote anger because "it's FUN". ???...are you drunk tonight? |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by verslagen1 on 12/19/10 at 21:21:42 all right boys, lets zip up. play nice. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Paladin. on 12/19/10 at 21:26:51 My take is that: Rubber Side Down! = ASK YOUR QUESTIONS HERE Should be Comments and questions, de facto any post about motorcycles. Technical Documents/Reference = A section where we can post technical documents! The Library. THE RESOURCE. Other sites wish they were as good. The Marketplace = Post for sale or wanted Savage/S40 bikes, parts or related accessories. For Sale, Wanted, and de facto Interesting to be Sold. (such as The WiFi thing.) The Cafe = Hang out and talk about almost anything (read guidelines) The Cafe is for thing OTHER than motorcycles. Food. Pets. Work. Family. (Mick's Miata should be posted in Rubber Side Down, it is a motor-quadracycle and it says motorcycles, not motor-BIcycles.) We need another forum, the Soapbox, for Religion and Politics. It needs than just one thread in the Cafe. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Starlifter on 12/19/10 at 21:35:28 Yes, an excellent idea Paladin. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by mick on 12/19/10 at 21:41:10 1A3D283B25202F3D2C3B490 wrote:
Paladin,what about the tall table ? doesn't that work for politics and dare I say it,Religion. except for the Miata thing your sugestions are pretty much what we have already ,dont you think ? |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by verslagen1 on 12/19/10 at 21:53:36 0C3D303D3835325C0 wrote:
The problem is in this forum all posts are in the latest post search. So what we need is another forum, separate from this one. You can have Starlifters Hanger, Jerry's Bar, Mick's Hell, and JOG's soapbox. And appoint whoever you want as moderator. I'll even put in $25 for the 1st year, Who's with you? |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Paladin. on 12/19/10 at 21:57:03 44404A425D414C4540444C50290 wrote:
Paladin,what about the tall table ? doesn't that work for politics and dare I say it,Religion. except for the Miata thing your sugestions are pretty much what we have already ,dont you think ?[/quote] The Tall Table has one thread of 300+ posts. It needs a separate forum. As long as you hold out a hand and wave at a biker I'll wave back. Your Miata is more of a motorcycle than a MonoTracer. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/19/10 at 22:52:39 No one can actually discuss a topic at the Tall Table. So many topics are relegated there that I cant keep up with any one topic. Would anyone expect a thread to contain the instructions for & discussion about valve timing & how to fix a dent in a tank & how to modify the pegs & chop a fender, all in one thread? Then why should anyone expect one thread to be where all politics are discussed? Along with religion?? It aint even reasonable.. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by mick on 12/19/10 at 23:03:07 I think you are right Justin, I for one have given up trying to get Justin to be a free thinker (athiest) there are 5 other freethinkers on this forum, I honestly don't think A political and religion only will get enough punters, I would love to see it and even try it for a while under any name you like I did sugest "The Speakeasy" anyone else ? Vers would it be possible to have a little members only thingy ,so people who might be offended don't accidently fumble in to the speakeasy ? |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by verslagen1 on 12/19/10 at 23:26:56 6F6B6169766A676E6B6F677B020 wrote:
Mick you know from our experience in the moderators lounge and also the alliance membership that we can have a separate "members only" forum. Why don't you suggest to John that a BS club be formed and a token fee for access. Since I don't want to see the kind of fun you're having, I won't join. WIN/WIN |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/19/10 at 23:34:27 Im in if weve got room for enough threads. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by mick on 12/19/10 at 23:36:08 170413120D0006040F50610 wrote:
Mick you know from our experience in the moderators lounge and also the alliance membership that we can have a separate "members only" forum. Why don't you suggest to John that a BS club be formed and a token fee for access. Since I don't want to see the kind of fun you're having, I won't join. WIN/WIN[/quote] one way or another you are bound and determined to get me out of your hair, that's ok mate sounds good to me I will write Johnh in the morning, I'm tired and I'm going to bed now. goodnight Sir |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by kimchris1 on 12/20/10 at 07:30:22 First I want to thank this forum for allowing me to come here and learn about my bike. That was the main reason I became a member of this forum in the first place. Along the way I have made many friends and we have shared some good times as well as helped each other thru some bad times. From the tech section I learned how to change my own oil and filter. With the many mechanical inclined people here, I feel their is very little I or hubby can't fix on the bike. From the Marketplace I was able to connect with some of you that had the replacement parts in which I was able to fix Genie after my accident. Thank you all for that. Thru the Cafe section, we have shared views on many topics. If their are ones I don't like or disagree with I simply move on. Again the main purpose I came here was to learn about the bike. I will continue to be a member and if I feel I have something I can contribute then I will. Hugs to all and thank you John for starting a forum in the first place from which I continue to learn about my bike. Hugs.. kim:) |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 12/20/10 at 07:38:49 I guess I don't understand why anyone would complain about topics covered in any thread, unless a conversation got vulgar. For instance, I totally agree with Starlifter's post a page back. He and I have jousted with each other mightily over the years, especially 2+ years ago during the presidential campaign. And, it has been fun, since we agree to disagree politically, but we've exchanged some meaningful PMs. Same with my buddy Mick. A person has to be awfully narrow to simply want to discuss motorcycles all of the time - after all, one only opens one's mind by listening to others and learning from them. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Lupo on 12/20/10 at 08:10:10 O.k. now the confusion I have is, If the rubber side down is questions only and someone wants to tell of a ride or even a family drive where does that go? Now lets say the drive is the gulf area. What I see happening here is the thread gets steered to who screwed the area and what not. The original thread gets lost in "I hate so and so". There's more political crap in The Cafe then anywhere else and frankly not much m/c content. Motorcycle content isn't the only thing in life and all there is to talk about but this is a motorcycle site isn't it? And Starlifter, I don't drink. I was trying to summarize your post. Perhaps a look in a mirror will reflect a drunk. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/10 at 08:37:29 but this is a motorcycle site isn't it? Yep, it is.. Ever been to a motorcycle get together? They just talked abut motorcycles, all weekend? |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by kimchris1 on 12/20/10 at 08:37:55 We agree to all disagree with each other at some point in life. Attacking each other however is nothing I want or will become involved in. Are their not other forums where one can voice their opinions of topics such as religion or political or whatever other topic they can come up with on the computer? Why do we have to get into those discussions on a mc site to begin with? Now if it is a mc ride and you want to invite others to join, then keep it on that topic. Don't bring your personal views on non related topic into that discussion. If we keep it this way, then maybe the site can be brought back to what it was intended to be for in the first place. As I said in a post before this one, I came here in the first place to learn about my bike. I have learned and look forward to keep learning. I have my own political and religious views and will keep them to myself or find a forum in which to place those views and post them here. :) kim |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Oldfeller on 12/20/10 at 08:48:53 Lupo, KimKris, does separating out ALL the political religious and interpersonal jousting and rowdy stuff to a separate forum not fix your issue? Then you have a place to have a PG Cafe and have a truly civilized conversation where you could dial in from work and not get hit by ugly green frog holding his wanker? (yep, me too -- my bad) If we had the separate forum where we could move all the rowdy stuff (including the Tail of the Dragon trip) and leave Cafe to be a Cafe, wouldn't that give you the separation you are seeking? What would be the rules for such a Cellar or SpeakEasy or Back Room or whatever you choose to call it? Or being a completely separate place and "you go there at your own risk" would it require any rules other than maybe NO PERSONAL ATTACKS? Seriously, this sounds like the best way to give everybody what they want. You got civilized folk who want to talk non-motorcycle stuff about grandkids, vacation trips, scavenger hunts, etc. This is a gentle minded crew of folks who want an open but nice Cafe. You got rowdy folks who want to talk about Dragon Trips, argue over politics, try to convert other folks to their non-religionousness, etc. This is a generally rougher crew of folks who could populate a small forum. Trying to keep them ALL TOGETHER in the same bucket is a built in conflict, no joke. and I will point out that we already have two lists available and could create more if needed -- Boule or JohnH both know how. We could have a sane list and a rowdy list complete if need be (maybe excepting Tech section as it really isn't moveable and it is a time consuming thing to keep organized) |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by babyhog on 12/20/10 at 09:04:22 Personally, I think a seperate section is only needed for religion and politics. As specified in the current guidelines (although it includes the disclaimer "not limited to") those are the most divisive subjects. Personal attacks should always be a no-no, in my opinion. Jabs are one thing, attacks are another. If you move all the non-motorcycle stuff, then what stays in The Cafe? Rubber Side Down - bike talk Cafe - non-bike talk Cellar/Back Room (Dark Room?) - politics/religion/adult? |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/10 at 09:06:29 I talk lots of trash out in the shop,.. Shop Talk? |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by bill67 on 12/20/10 at 09:09:24 If its not broke don't fix it,I don't see anything wrong with the way it is,You don't have to read anything you don't want too. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Oldfeller on 12/20/10 at 09:11:40 Bill, I don't think your one liner hand grenades would be limited all that much in either setting, some are so subtle that you need a current dictionary of urban slang to figure out what the dig was .... the rest are jest funny. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by babyhog on 12/20/10 at 09:12:16 46595F5845427343734B59551E2C0 wrote:
I would think "Shop Talk" would be like we use Rubber Side Down.... working on the bikes, etc. Just thinking of new folks who happen upon the site... a name should indicate what its about. Yea, bill67, I actually agree with you. I think we have behaved very well lately. Crap gets stirred every once in a while, but basically, its been pretty civil lately. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Oldfeller on 12/20/10 at 09:19:42 Yes it has been relatively civil, and if folks would just PM the moderators with each problem they have AND BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT REALLY GRIPED THEM then maybe we wouldn't be running around chasing "non-motorcycle related" offenses. In my mind, the big four no-nos are Personal Attacks, Religious Hijacking, Political Hijacking, XX-Rated Materials. If we reported any issues according to these terms the moderators wouldn't have to use their naturally faulty telepathy trying to translate your gripes. It would also give the moderators an impartial handle on encouraging behavior modification by the folks needing that help. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Boule’tard on 12/20/10 at 11:13:50 Cool then, I guess the general consensus is that this would be best: RSD - is fine like it is, a motorcycle Q&A section Tech section - also good Marketplace - good Cafe - good for all general topics, excluding religion/politics/flamewars. Motorcycle talk encouraged, but not required or forbidden. Nontechnical moto-curiosities like "hey guys look! A monkey riding a scooter!!" :D totally fine. The Shark Tank / Troll Table - new easily ignorable section for religious/political topics and good old fashioned internet roastings. Moderated only in case of seriously unkind comments. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by thumperclone on 12/20/10 at 11:28:34 if i go to a cafe or public house and dont like the crowd/topics/ambiance i dont go back... youll rarely see me at the tall table ;) |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by kimchris1 on 12/20/10 at 11:37:08 Agreed.. :) kim |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Oldfeller on 12/20/10 at 12:25:36 And those who go swimming in the shark tank and get bit will learn to stay out of their silly holding pool. By the same token, bad things that exit the Shark Pool need to be trimmed on sight or if it is a whole thread moved as a whole back into the pool. =========================== If we do this new section, do you think we need to be stricter about enforcing the general list rules about no Personal Attacks, no Religious Hijacking, no Political Hijacking, no XX-Rated Materials type offenses that occur outside of the Shark Tank? Seriously, our real reported issues are people doing these sorts of things outside in the PG rated portions of the list and inside other people's threads, not inside the restricted (and appropriate) areas. If say, YYYYYYY PMs me that xxxxxx posted a personal attack against her in Rubber Side Down and it verifies as correct, what should happen to xxxxxx? Remember, if there are no consequences no changes to errant behavior will actually take place. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by mick on 12/20/10 at 12:34:23 I guess you or any moderator must determine how bad the offence is, and did Kimcris say something nasty to provoke her personal attack. Then perhaps you might want to cut the offender off from making comments at all for a determined leaghth of time ,3rd offence and it's ta ta. PS personal attacks from one moderator to another in the privacy of there little kingdom,don't count. :P |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by mornhm - FSO on 12/20/10 at 12:49:33 I think an additional section of the forum for things that most people don't want to discuss or watch being discussed (ad nauseum) is a good idea. And the old "if you don't like sand in your shorts, stay out of the sand (litter) box" would seem to apply. In other words, don't complain about what goes on in the new section - if you don't like it stay out. Anything that spills out of the litterbox needs to be put back or cleaned up so that the rest of the members don't need to see it. I would say repeat offenders would have to be dealt with, however, I would say that for some time most threads in the forum seem to have been without the type of offenses that have caused me to leave for a while in the past (and then obviously return). Maybe that is because they are at the tall table. The forum has it's trolls (and would probably be better off without them), but I think most people have figured out to ignore them. They seem to be one of the inescapable results of the anonymity of the internet; so to completely eliminate them from this forum is probably either impossible or not worth anyone's time. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by kimchris1 on 12/20/10 at 12:55:49 For the record I don't feel I have offended anyone nor have been personally attacked. I have never contacted any of the moderators with a good or bad comment concerning a post nor a person that made a post here. I like others have my own views and post them where and when I feel the need to do so. I will abide by the rules and if I don't like them, I will either post a comment or remain silent. All the people will never be satisfied. That is impossible. It seems no matter what is done someone will find fault with it. I do hope that everyone can manage to remember what brought us all together to begin with.. :) kim |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Oldfeller on 12/20/10 at 13:35:00 KimKris, I apologize and I have fixed the use of your name in a completely theoretical situation -- I should not have done that, it was very poor thinking on my part and I never intended it as a slight of any kind. You never and I certainly shouldn't have -- please accept my apology. Oldfeller |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by thumperclone on 12/20/10 at 16:40:23 14373F3D3E37373E295B0 wrote:
good job OF |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by thumperclone on 12/20/10 at 16:44:35 YES MORE RESTRAINTS ON FREE SPEECH&FREE THOUGHT MORE RULES,MORE MODERATORS,MORE CONTROLL,....... comon its called "the cafe"... i feel better now OHHMMMMMMM |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by kimchris1 on 12/20/10 at 16:49:10 Oldfeller, apology accepted. Have a beer if you drink beer, and here's a kiss to show I don't hold grudges.. :-* :-* Life is too short for that and I would hate to think you might lose any sleep over this. So no offense taken. Now let's get back to some mc talk.. xoxox.. kim :) |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by sluggo on 12/20/10 at 18:47:31 3A3134346E6F580 wrote:
no it's not it was created for ride reports, pics, ect but keep the majority of it motorcycle related. did you not read the guidlines |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by sluggo on 12/20/10 at 18:50:59 6466626C677D667C3E0F0 wrote:
i couldn't have said it better. and i've been here along time, only in my absense has it gotten to this point my bad |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by Starlifter on 12/20/10 at 22:44:43 "And Starlifter, I don't drink. I was trying to summarize your post. Perhaps a look in a mirror will reflect a drunk." You know Lupo, My post was merely a reflection of my thoughts on the matter of why we who have a limited riding season would like to post on other matters during the off time. My post was germane to the thread "Cafe Posting". Your nasty comments and attacks only serve to further anomosity among fellow posters. "So what you mean is you can only talk motorcycle while you are able to ride. Your interest in the sport is so narrow that unless it's about you, nobody else has a right to voice interest. Rather then moving your personal blathers about politics or beliefs to the appropriate forum during YOUR off season you must highjack threads from this forum and try to promote anger because "it's FUN". The above rambeling, rude, and stupid post makes no sense, hence my remarks. So for the 1000th time IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ NON MOTORCYCLING POSTS, DO NOT COME HERE AND READ non motorcycling threads here or at the Tall Table. Disrupters who have no positive input are not welcome here. |
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Title: Re: Cafe posting Post by mick on 12/20/10 at 23:56:25 76514457494C43514057250 wrote:
+ 1 100% mick |
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