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Title: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by Dooley on 12/29/10 at 07:03:17 I live in Florida and there are alot of older people and I think if they hear me they are more likely to see me. But I know some people think different. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by Midnightrider on 12/29/10 at 09:26:03 Older people like me cant see or hear. Someone on a cellphone is listening to a conversation and thinking what to say or text next, your loud pipes are tuned out. Learning how to ride is your best defense. If you havent already MSF classes are a great place to start. I dont care how much you think you know, you'll learn something in a MSF class that might save your life. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by RidgeRunner13 on 12/29/10 at 09:52:57 Loud pipes are just another annoying background noise, a LOUD HORN is a far better attention getter. ;D The last cager that started coming in my lane got the full effect of my air horn. He got over very fast & slowed down until I was out of sight. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by WebsterMark on 12/29/10 at 10:21:20 Here’s an interesting thought to consider: it’s a fact that groups of bicycle riders who take up lane space and prevent cars from passing create animosity between some car drivers and the bicyclist. You have probably read stories about bicyclist getting run off the road intentionally etc… Could loud pipes have a similar effect by creating animosity with some drivers (consciously or subconsciously) and negatively affecting the way they behave towards all motorcyclists? |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by LostArtist on 12/29/10 at 10:37:03 also, noise travels behind you, so by the time I hear a motorcycle with loud pipes, it's way too late for me in my cage to maneuver away from them. and with radios and stereo systems being so loud, you can't depend on loud pipes to make people aware of you. just ride like you are invisible, because you are, even if they hear you, it'll take them awhile to locate the noise, like with emergency vehicles (ambulances, etc. . .) you may hear them but how long does it take you to visually find them? and if you are just sitting beside someone with loud pipes making a bunch of noise, how annoying is that going to be for them? and how are they going to treat you after your rumble of your bike has disrupted their favorite song on the radio? if loud pipes make you feel better, that might be worth it, but you aren't doing yourself any real favors by having them, learn to be defense, not offensive |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by kimchris1 on 12/29/10 at 10:40:01 My suggestion is to ride defensively and not rely on loud pipes. I agree with a loud horn better than loud pipes. Then again I believe you should ride when alert and be on the defense at all times. I was given this advice and will pass it on to you. Always have an out. Pipes that leave your ears as well as your head ringing several mins after it has passed seems to annoy people and yes make them have the nasty feelings towards all bikers. JMO for what it is worth.. :) kim |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by John_D FSO on 12/29/10 at 23:31:30 I voted a conditional "yes". I don't believe in obnoxiously loud pipes, they annoy me too, but I liked having something louder than my stock Savage pipe. Plus, it'd started whistling like a VW Beetle ::). Yes, I realize people in front of you aren't going to hear it, only people behind you. But, so will people beside you, and that's the whole reason I'm voting "yes". Soon after I'd added the Dyna muffler to my Savage I had a lady start to drift into my lane in the middle of a two lane turn. I goosed the throttle to get out of her way, and she heard it and moved back into her lane, with a sheepish look on her face I might add! ;D So while I'm not gonna advocate straight pipes, I do like a little growl from my bike. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by verslagen1 on 12/29/10 at 23:47:23 Well put John. +1 I don't like "wake the dead" pipes either. But if my louder than stock pipes can alert one more person on the street of my presence, then that's one more chance I got of making it home. Loud is relative to the local too. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/30/10 at 00:03:53 3B283F3E212C2A28237C4D0 wrote:
Sittin on the pad next to a shuttle launch, if you can hear it, its TOOO LOUD |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by photojoe on 12/30/10 at 12:30:21 As I was riding in the right lane over the Rt. 35 bridge out of Belmar, mrs big suv person decide to make her way into my lane. I was on the shoulder looking down (probably 10-15 stories) I opened up throttle and blew it out my Trapp. That got her to move over. So, yes, may have saved my life that night as well as a few more times. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by bill67 on 12/30/10 at 12:36:13 I would say loud pipes and blowing the horn can scare some people and cause more harm than good. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by LostArtist on 12/30/10 at 13:15:04 yet, all the incidents posted here about loud pipes saving lives are first initiated with the rider SEEING the offending vehicle and reacting to that. not the offending vehicle not doing something because of loud noise beside them ( I realize a non action is almost impossible to prove so kind of a no win situation for arguing for loud pipes with that argument) but again, the eyes of the rider saved their own lives, not the loud pipes, and the acceleration of the suzuki was important as well as the decision to accelerate, and depending on just a loud bark from supertrapp pipes to get someone's attention is scary man. if you like loud pipes for their noise, that's your personal choice, but I think assertion that loud pipes do anything to help "save lives" is dangerously misleading. it comes down to you, the rider, depending on someone else hearing you, instead of you, the rider, making a choice and/or action to save your own life. riding smart is better than riding loud and proud anyday |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by verslagen1 on 12/30/10 at 13:17:57 233C3A3D20271626162E3C307B490 wrote:
Sittin on the pad next to a shuttle launch, if you can hear it, its TOOO LOUD[/quote] If you see a astronut sticking his arm out the window giving you a 1 finger salute, boy are you in trouble. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by Paladin. on 12/30/10 at 13:25:16 I like my motorcycle to sound like a motorcycle should sound. I did not like the stock muffler. I like my motorcycle to be quiet enough that the wife does not yell at me -- at least about that. I prefer noise makers to be horns. I use car horns, a pair, high/low tones, so that they sound like a Cadillac. Most people do not CARE if your motorcycle hits them. Most people DO care if a Cadillac is about to hit them. The MAC is a little louder than I want. I have a new 26" glasspack that should be better. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by verslagen1 on 12/30/10 at 13:32:04 50736F685D6E68756F681C0 wrote:
That can't be denied. But all circumstances can not always be predicted ahead of time. I've told this story a few times... riding down the freeway in 30 mph traffic, door knob to grip, bumper to wheel, I'm riding beside a darkly tinted sedan when he decides to change lanes. We were eyeball to eyeball and he couldn't see me. Right then and there is when I decided I needed a louder muf. and splitting traffic was safer. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by Dooley on 12/30/10 at 13:35:06 132126373021360925362F440 wrote:
Interesting point and I do agree that the whole loud pipe "biker image" does have certain stereotype that goes along with it. But I think helps us in a good way safety wise. I say this because not to long ago I had to ride a scooter for a few months as my only transportation. I was tailgated none stop and muscled off the round a few times. I ride the same way on a real bike and that does not happen. And I do believe it is because of the stereotype of the whole biker image. I am a very laid back person. But if they stop tailgating and pushing me off the road because they think I will smash their face if. I can live with that stereotype all day long. Midnightrider- You are not old. This is Florida the place where old people come to die. It must be seen to be believed, a 90 something year old woman that need a walker to get around should not be on the road. But they are. I see a few people have stated that a loud horn is of some use. I would have to agree. So we would agree that a loud audible device gets peoples attention. Then could one not argue that a constant loud audible device such as loud pipes could get their attention before said horn is needed? Thus avoiding having to use the horn in the first place? I not sure I understand what is meant by sound going behind you. I hear bikes with loud pipes from behind all the way thu passing. I live on a busy road and hear it all the time. Maybe I am missing something. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by LostArtist on 12/30/10 at 14:20:03 maybe it's a speed thing, at a certain speed, by the time I hear a motorcycle it's already either beside me or past me, at freeway speeds maybe? over 50mph? idk, by the time I look for the noise it wouldn't have done the rider any good. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by LostArtist on 12/30/10 at 14:23:19 12 deadly safety myths of motorcyclists by Motorcycle Cruiser http://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/streetsurvival/dangerous_motorcycle_safety_myths/index.html |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by mick on 12/30/10 at 15:08:24 I will say this in the motorists defence,Any cage driver who was a cyclist or motorcyclist will always be very considerate of them. The problem is they don't know this. I make a point of giving them more room than they need , at intersections I always give bikers the nod to go ahead, the main reason is because I want to look at the bike as it goes by ;). Ok,that and just because I'm a nice guy. :) |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by verslagen1 on 12/30/10 at 15:56:19 5C7F6364516264796364100 wrote:
Each one is true and false, if you relied on any one of them, you're dead. They should be taken with a pound of salt. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by mick on 12/30/10 at 16:20:26 667562637C7177757E21100 wrote:
Each one is true and false, if you relied on any one of them, you're dead. They should be taken with a pound of salt.[/quote] I did not read the above ,but the rule I can relay after spending half my life on and around motorcles is KEEP YOUR DISTANCE, that will save you 95 % of the time. and to fast is the other. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by babyhog on 12/30/10 at 16:31:43 So when are you going to show the results of the poll? |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by Dooley on 12/30/10 at 17:39:42 3536373A38225B0 wrote:
I did not know I had to show the results? I thought you can see where it stands if you vote. Am I wrong? I am hoping for more people to take it. I just looked and you are correct I need to end the poll to show the results. Only 30 votes have been cast. Keep it going? |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by sluggo on 12/30/10 at 17:47:53 if the pipes are to loud you the rider lose the ability to hear dangers presented. i spent time in the navy in the engine room i wore both ear plug and muffs. i was the first to notice when the sound of the equipment changed, signaling a potential failure. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by Dooley on 12/30/10 at 17:53:23 302F3624242C430 wrote:
I must say excellent point. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by mick on 12/30/10 at 23:31:47 for the same reason I never have the radio on in my car. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/30/10 at 23:33:28 7B7C7777747D612F2A180 wrote:
I must say excellent point. [/quote] & I have not been able to get that thot to "gell" in my mind, but at a gut level, Ive known that. I know Ive hear things that made me look, even over the S/trapp w/ 14 disks. |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by Dooley on 12/31/10 at 13:27:37 I think all that would vote have so I will close the poll. Thanks all |
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Title: Re: Just want to know what people are thinking Post by John_D FSO on 12/31/10 at 17:34:20 5B5C5757545D410F0A380 wrote:
I must say excellent point. [/quote] I have to agree also. I've worked in several steel mills, and ear plugs were mandatory. Without plugs, the noise was deafening, you couldn't hear anything. With them, you could carry on a conversation, hear stuff around you, etc. I wear the same earplugs on the bike with an open helmet, even now that I have a windshield (unless it's just a short hop of a couple miles), because while the wind noise may not seem that bad, the effects accumulate after a while. Not only does it damage your ears, but it wears you out faster, and fatigue can be deadly. And I also agree, loud pipes are by no means a substitute for keeping your eyes open. That's still your best defense. But like a couple people stated, I'll take every advantage I can get to help people realize I'm there. |
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