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Title: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by babyhog on 01/10/11 at 06:14:37 Serowbot, Gerald, Lupo? You guys ok? Have been hearing and reading about that crazy shooting... |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Serowbot on 01/10/11 at 06:48:06 Very sad, ... and disgusted... Gabby is a great lady, and an advocate for motorcyclists too... Hoping against hope that she recovers... Peace... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_wmsaXJKp0[/media] |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Boofer on 01/10/11 at 07:27:38 In my opinion, this ain't about, right, left, atheist, Christian, racist....but the discussion will slowly move away from the fact that a human shot other humans with intent to kill them. As someone who has mental problems and a house full of guns I can tell you--it's a choice. Murder is illegal. Plus hurting someone who is weaker and helpless is cowardly. Use the laws on the books and common sense to put him away forever, dead or alive. We may do bad things for various reasons, and may even get forgiveness, but we still have to pay the consequences. Not meant to be a religious or moral debate. Just the natural laws of the world. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Wolfman on 01/10/11 at 15:03:00 Their already trying to blame the Tea Party for 'antagonizeing' people and causeing this. Their really milking the 9 year old girl born on 911 as well. Going to be a LOT of fallout over this psychos actions. Expect the Gun Control nuts(read democrats into that as well) to go after this like a dog after a soup bone. Like some psycho can't get a gun illegaly anyway. ::) Blame the gun, not the person seems to be the way of things anymore. Funny, several govt officials have openly claimed they would start carying 'Heat' to their meetings for protection now. My BIG questions is...where the heII was HER security??? :-? |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by kimchris1 on 01/10/11 at 15:05:19 I am keeping her and her family as well as the families of the deceased victims in my prayers. It saddens me so when these things happen. :( kim |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by PerrydaSavage on 01/10/11 at 16:18:49 Very, very sad state of affairs down there in Arizona :( I have an aunt who winters in Yuma ... |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by gerald.hughes on 01/10/11 at 17:00:46 As safe as you can be in a place where any nut case can carry a gun, and a concealed one at that. Oh yeah, Gabe not only supports motorcycles, she rides her own bike. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by gerald.hughes on 01/10/11 at 17:06:20 Another thought. Pointing out that the guy is crazy is beside the point. All the discussions about what a nut case his is are smoke and diversion. The evidence is pretty strong that he targeted Gabe, and that the plan took months to come together. The real question is, "Why Gabe?" Specifically, why did he pick her to shoot. Until that question is answered, everything else is just talk to fill air time. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by WebsterMark on 01/11/11 at 06:49:14 excellent point Gerald and one that will be mostly ignored for the next few months. When the Ft. Hood shooting happened, the first cry was not to jump to conclusions, to wait for the investigation to run its course. This time however, its mandatory to jump to conclusions. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by photojoe on 01/11/11 at 07:48:14 I was going to add a reply here, but didn't want to contribute to BH's thread getting hijacked. Find me up at the tall table. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Stimpy - FSO on 01/11/11 at 07:53:50 ...I'm with photojoe about the hijack thing and did ponder about contibuting or not my POV, still I'll quickly comment on how this case is being recived/percived over here. Everyone here in Europe is VERY attentive at this and keeping a close eye as this sad and strange case develops. Reason mainly being that we have had our share of copycat school shootings and have been on "terrorism alert" for a decade now. However your regular European citizen is very different than elsewhere in the world, much more media skeptic and unaffraid of the goverment as the large, organized protests and strikes have recently shown. I'm certain that as the months go by, new details will emerge showing that there is a lot more to this case that meets the eye, a lot of special interests seem to be at hand and new gun control bills are being drafted in DC as we speak. There is also something about the famous mugshot, his eyes seem to have somehow changed color, nose, chin and moles are different too, beats me. http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9234/deraileyes.jpg Best to all and keep your head cool & spirits up! ;) |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by mpescatori on 01/11/11 at 09:28:49 Thank you Stimpy for pointing out those details, if I had done so my comment would have looked out of place. I do not understand this typically "american" mentality that a concealed weapon is "bad". In Europe there are perhaps 1/4th of the handguns owned in the US but they're ALL concealed, you can NOT walk the streets with your gun in a hip holster. The two questions that arise are "Why?" and, darned good question "where was HER security?" ::) Will the Marshals/Secret Service/FBI investigate on this detail as well ? |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by babyhog on 01/11/11 at 09:57:13 Thanks Joe, but I don't mind. The post was to check on the guys, but to also talk about what's going on, so its all good.... I've never had much of an opinion on guns until the past few years, as my husband was a Marine and loves his guns (oh, btw, he is so happy, he finally got the Keltec PF9 he has been wanting!) Anyway, he made a point last night... if more everyday folks carried weapons, concealed, or not concealed, I think these incidents would end alot faster than they do in some cases, with alot less casualties. If I were sitting in McDonald's and some guy walks in shooting, I'd rather have someone sitting next to me who is carrying, who can stand up and shoot the bastard, than cower in a corner. Maybe eventually, these idiots would realize that they aren't going to get away with it. I'm not positive why her security detail wasn't with her, but I did hear that she wanted to be able to shake hands with folks, and be more accessible. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by mick on 01/11/11 at 10:08:16 2320212C2E344D0 wrote:
good idea babyhog,but it would work just as well if no one had a gun.. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by babyhog on 01/11/11 at 10:22:57 4C48424A5549444D484C4458210 wrote:
good idea babyhog,but it would work just as well if no one had a gun.. [/quote] Mick, really? You don't think a criminal is going to find a way to get a gun if they want one? That's like saying if alcohol was illegal, we would no longer have drunks.... |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by photojoe on 01/11/11 at 10:29:15 I thought Mick was a gun owner? I was reading something in one of my gun magazines, forget which one, about a Uni Professor teaching a 2A class. One of the students said something to the effect of "wouldn't the world be a far better place if there were no guns at all?" The professor, and ex-marine a highly trained self defense expert, walked up to a young lady sitting in the first row, just enough to get into her personal space, and said "If I wanted to , I could take this girl for myself and none of you could do anything about it." After the shock wore off, he said "Now, if she had a .38 special, it would be even." Not verbatim, just what I remember, but you get the point. A crazy lunatic rapist breaks into a home with Mom and children, the woman would have a way better chance of defending herself with a firearm. "God may have made men, but Samuel Colt made them equal" |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by mick on 01/11/11 at 10:30:23 I know anyone can get a gun ,it's easy. But that is not what I said. I said "If no one had a gun" |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by mick on 01/11/11 at 10:35:14 647C7B607B7E7B140 wrote:
Yes I own several guns. what is that supossed to mean ? I own guns because most crooks and other people own them. if they didn't ,I wouldn't . does that make sense to you ? |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Serowbot on 01/11/11 at 10:37:34 The United States has the world's highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics. It's 4 times higher than Germany, 13 times higher than England, and 20 times higher than Japan. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by photojoe on 01/11/11 at 10:38:02 363238302F333E3732363E225B0 wrote:
Yes, it makes perfect sense to me. I took your "no guns" comment out of context. My apologies. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by bill67 on 01/11/11 at 10:52:32 Remember last year 2 guys in a wal mart got mad at each other,Both had guns and they pulled out their guns and shot and killed each other.If everyone carried a loaded gun I do believe there would be a lot more killings.I have a lot of guns but never carried one with me are in the car.I don't even keep any loaded in the house. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by verslagen1 on 01/11/11 at 11:34:22 So I googled walmart shooting and got 2 and half million hits. Then narrowed it down to wisconsen and it dropped to 1 million. 2 die brings it down to 400,000 It appears some take their shopping very seriously, especially in WI. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Serowbot on 01/11/11 at 11:41:24 ... and I don't think there's 400,000 people in Wisconsin... Some must get hit every time they go... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by babyhog on 01/11/11 at 11:57:01 31292E352E2B2E410 wrote:
Yes, it makes perfect sense to me. I took your "no guns" comment out of context. My apologies. [/quote] I also understand what you are saying now, but I still believe I mis-interpreted your comment correctly. Yes, you are right, if there literally were no guns, there would be no shooting, but you know that isn't realistic. So we should be prepared. And bill, you should invest in baseball bats instead. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by bill67 on 01/11/11 at 12:42:49 Can anyone tell me when was the last time someone busted into your house or shot at you with a gun. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Wolfman on 01/11/11 at 14:51:49 Theres an old saying, "A armed society is a polite society". If everyone knows most carry, their going to be a lot nicer to each other because they KNOW if they do something stupid they may well get shot. The problem stems from the fact that shooters KNOW the likliehod of anyone haveing a firearm to stop them is remote. Ask any criminal(burgler, car jacker, rapist) about them chooseing their targets.(and yes this has been done several time in studies). If they THINK their target may well be armed they move on to an easier target. They don't want to get shot. On that note even if you toss ALL types of shootings into one big group, your more likely to die in the bathtub takeing a shower after slipping then being shot. Or die from a doctors incomitance in the hospital. No guns? Then some psycho with mental problems will just walk into a crowd with some molotov cocktails or pipe bombs. How many would he of injured or killed with just a couple of large knives? Large capacity mags the problem? Anyone familiar with their firearm can do a mag swap(regardless of size) in 2-3 seconds easy. Its NOT the item at fault, its the person. Someone wants to kill someone or many someones their going to find a way. Theres to many gun laws now. What we need are TOUGHER laws on those useing a gun in a crime. Do away with life in prison and make it a death penalty instead. Bring back courthouse lawn hangings in public. I garuntee a LOT of the nonsense that goes on now would stop. It used to scare the crap out of the bad guys, the fear of hanging in public. Banning guns, even ALL guns in the US wont make us safer. It will only make us ALL sheep for the slaughter. And a huge market for gun runners. Only the criminals would have guns and their NOT worried about CCW Laws, legaly obtaining them ect. They got em already or can get them. Concealed carry and the right to bear arms DOES make us safer. It insures our rights in the constitution as well....which our forefathers intended. This kid was NUTS, they said even his classmates knew something was wrong with him...but no one made a call that would of got him investigated. The old 'I dont want to get involved syndrom'. He had a bone in his teeth for this gal for a LONG time. Gun, knife, bomb, he was going to do something regardless of the item used. Think about this, what if he had used his car? How many dead and injured. Would we be hearing the same rhetoric about more CAR laws? How their obtained, horsepower? If a couple of people had been legaly carrying in the crowd how many fewer people would he of shot?? Answer me that?? Cops themselves will tell you their not there to STOP crime, their there to clean up after the fact and try to catch the perpetrators. And i STILL wonder where her security was at and how he got close enough to walk up and shoot her in the BACK of the head?? This guy was a Fracking NUT JOB! He was going to do something regardless of what he used. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Wolfman on 01/11/11 at 15:11:36 Was'nt me bill but two days ago in springfield a guy followed another home in springfield mo, bit of road rage. Got out and beat the guy up in his own yard. Came back two hours later with two friends and shot the guys house and car up, homeowner returned fire. Couple days before that i another nearby town two guys broke in a mans home, threatened to kill him. Struggle ensued and homeowner got his his firearm and shot one of the subjects. Intruders were armed as well. I could go one with instances of homeowners protecting themselves...their numerous. Especialy in the last few months with the economy in the gutter as it is. And yes theres been a couple of times ive had someone messing around my place in the middle of the night. I live out in the toolies. The old racking of a 12 gauge slide or (get your arse out of here or get shot) usualy puts them to flight pretty quick. Been a couple of times ive been on the bike and some nut job has chased me down the road or pulled up beside me and started makeing threats ect for some perceived slight. Id of felt better if id of been carrying at the time. Safer. Just not feasable with most of the places i go in town for buisness haveing those lil signs on the door saying 'no firearms allowed.' Guess which buisness are more likely to be robbed?? And who's to say how many more homes would get brocken into IF the criminals KNEW there would be no firearms presant?? Two weeks ago i had a neighbor half a mile down the road had a burglary. They took the frig, the big screen TV and some jewelry in the middle of the night. THEN burned the whole house down to cover up any evidance they might have left. Luckily she was'nt home. What would they have done IF she had been if they were willing to burn the whole house down to cover themselves?? I could go on and on with instances but lets leave it at this. I feel a WHOLE LOT safer for the family and i with a firearm or two in the house. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by mick on 01/11/11 at 15:11:36 Even so Wolfman I think the stats will tell you that there are way more gun murders here than any place in the world. I do mean the so called civilized world. Those wacko country's in Africa don't count. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by LostArtist on 01/11/11 at 15:24:27 58606369626E610F0 wrote:
so, would you consider the middle east, israel, etc. . . polite? with all their terrorism? they are armed . . . |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Wolfman on 01/11/11 at 15:26:08 Actualy mick your wrong. Gun murders are big news, you hear about them. News usualy keeps reporting on them dor DAYS. Do a lil research and compare gun murders to stabbings in paticular. Strangling, beating to death ect. One in paticular you can look at is russia, not a third world country. Their gun laws are MUCH MUCH more restricitve the the US. Their murder rate is also MUCH higher then ours. Mexico is another. Try owning a gun legaly there as a civilian. Cuba?? You'll find the gun nuts here toss out how many guns we have in the US then give you the total number of SHOOTINGS. They don't mention how many are murders, how many are self inflicted and how many are in SELF DEFENSE. They just give you the total and dont compare them to how many are killed with just a knife for instance. Your more likely to be stabbed or beaten then shot here. I know the stats. Ive been a life long gun owner, 50 years, and a hunter safety and firearms instructor for the state for 15 years. Im a firm beleiver that if more folks went legaly armed and kept a gun in the home(and knew how to use it) the crime rates would be much lower. Murders, rapes, robberies. Who wants to get shot for a pieace of arse or some jewely or cash?? |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Serowbot on 01/11/11 at 15:42:19 USA Murders 16,204 [2nd of 49] Murders with firearms 9,369 [1st of 36] UK Murders 1,201 Murders with firearms 14 * from NationMaster.com |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by bill67 on 01/11/11 at 15:53:33 My dad,father in law,uncles, and none of my 4 kids have guns,I had a 22 when I was 16 and sold it 2 years later,Never had another gun till 7 years ago,Now I have 9 guns I just like them.All 22s and 410s.I was only shot once when I was 12 years. It was a bb gun.If you think a gun is going to save your life I think your barking up the wrong tree.Johnny Cash even said don't take your guns to town,You John Wayne's here should listen to Johnny Cash. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by buttgoat1 on 01/11/11 at 16:17:11 It is everyone's choice whether to go unarmed or armed, make your choice and let law abiding citizens make their own choice. yep, shootings are big news leads, however it is rare for them to report a crime that was prevented by someone being armed. The fact is that it happens but usually not reported because no crime actually happened. Typically a thug would move on to easier pickings when a coat is pulled back to show a holstered gun on the hip. http://nakedlaw.avvo.com/2010/10/8-horrible-crimes-stopped-by-legal-gun-owners/ |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Serowbot on 01/11/11 at 16:18:30 I keep one loaded in my home... it's the only place that I can imagine it being useful in self defense. In a crowd at a supermarket,... I don't imagine a person having time to get their wits about them, analyzing that the threat is real and not a stunt or joke, finding a safe shot, drawing , and firing, before the criminal has emptied... ... and if there had been security,... the vigilante would likely be shot along with the perp if he drew his weapon... Unsafe!... |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by LostArtist on 01/11/11 at 16:27:11 guns make killing people/ threatening people/ intimidating people, easy. period. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by buttgoat1 on 01/11/11 at 16:29:54 thats your choice Serow and that fine for you. Carrying a gun is a huge responsibility and not for everyone, getting shot is a real possibility, a licensed former marine was shot and killed by police recently because a security guard called 911 and reported him as being combative and erratic. Its kind of funny, people have no qualms about driving a car which can kill and maim with just a moment of distraction. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by LostArtist on 01/11/11 at 16:36:07 3D2A392C2A2D2A39264B0 wrote:
it's pretty hard to kill with a car, like premeditated, not impossible, but not the usual. also hard to intimidate with a car or threaten. guns only do 1 thing. and hand guts are only designed to kill one kind of prey |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by babyhog on 01/12/11 at 09:24:41 Wolfman, you are my new hero. My husband carries concealed daily. He sometimes has to enter vacant buildings where bums/homeless folks decide to take up residence. He usually has no problem getting rid of them... I say usually. Occasionally they get belligerent. Sometimes they are drugged up. But this happens over and over, sometimes its even the same bums. What if these bums decide since he's a nice guy, they will just attack him one day for whatever money he might have on him? I would bet if they know he carries, they will be ALOT less likely to mess with him. At least I feel more comfortable knowing he can handle himself and take care of business. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by bill67 on 01/12/11 at 09:32:46 I'm glad to live in the civilized part of the USA the upper Midwest,No guns or bats needed. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by buttgoat1 on 01/12/11 at 09:43:45 It doesn't take a gun to kill or wound, there is a huge knife problem in the UK "Last year about 4,600 people were admitted to hospital in England with knife wounds. In the 12 months to June 2010, there were 29,981 knife crimes in England and Wales recorded by the police - a drop of 7% from the previous year." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11929401 the point is that there are violence prone people and I would rather granny have a 22 pistol in her hand rather than have to knife fight a thug breaking into her house. I wonder if the UK thugs are polite when they knife you, since they are more civilized than Americans....... |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by gerald.hughes on 01/12/11 at 09:43:57 I apologize for the highjacking. Let me start by saying that I am a gun owner, have been since I was 12 years old. I am not against guns. I am not even against gun ownership. Many people do not know that in Switzerland, which is always considered a pacifist country, it is the law that every person over the age of 18 must take military training, and have an maintain a firearm in their home. Second, Arizona is, and always has been a state where it is legal to carry a firearm in public, as long as it is visible. My problem is with concealed weapons. Babyhog, a visible weapon can be a deterrent, and I am sure that your husband feels the same way. That is one of the reasons that Police, and security people make a big deal of carrying their weapons in a very visible manner. (The FBI and detectives, on the other hand, tend to carry their weapons in a non-visible manner so as to not be so intimidating.) Some people may not be aware of it, but one of the men who tackled the shooter in Tucson was carrying a gun. When asked why he didn't use it, he responded that there was so much confusion, and so many innocent bystanders, that the chance of shooting someone unintended was too high. I can imagine what the slaughter would have been if ten or twenty bystanders had been firing. Stop and think of the times when the police, who have training, will get caught up in a situation, and fire off a couple of hundred rounds at a suspect. A final thought. You only stop assassins by luck. Every assasinated President and politician had security. Kennedy had carloads of secret service with him in Dallas. They only really come into play after the assassin has made the first move, and if that is effective, the person is dead. (Bobby Kennedy). If not, the person survives and the assassin is caught or killed (Reagan). Guns don't prevent determined people from killing someone. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Boofer on 01/13/11 at 18:17:38 babyhog, didn't mean to hi jack your thread. I have several guns and you would be safe in my house. I would not even show them unless you were interested in seeing them. Many on here have done far more dangerous stunts on cycles than I would ever do with my guns. A gun has to be treated with the proper atitude and respect. I sometimes show my butt on my Savage, but guns are too serious to "play" with. My local sheriff commented last summer at a softball game that he was glad I was carrying concealed. He knows I've had "brain troubles" for about 30 years, but he knows my values, my family, and the character I have shown in my community. I would only fire if fired upon and hope I have the courage to protect those who cannot protect themselves. Just remember, we have freedom of speech, so why not use it to lift up the good guys and our soldiers. (No matter what we believe about the war.) That same speech, if not contorted or taken out of context will also give justice to those who have no respect for innocent humans.. Again bh, Talking just to talk and get our hatred out in the public view is just another form of bullying. Didn't mean to take away from your sorrow and very human feelings from the victims. Boofer |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by mick on 01/13/11 at 19:35:32 44534055535453405F320 wrote:
UK thugs usually knife other thugs, no need to knife little old laidy's who are not a threat, when I left England most real bad guys carried short swords on their left or right hips,the favorite among street gangs is a cut throat razor ,nasty in a fight . |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by mick on 01/13/11 at 19:54:04 Butt, you can rest assured that UK thugs are way more polite. True story, While I was waiting for my client in a busy shopping area around Golders Green area in London (I was a chauffeur) ,A MK10 jaguar pulled up onto the side walk, the driver stopped out side a jewelers shop.three guys got out ,two of them smashed the windows with hammers, one guy was in charge of keeping padestrians away from flying glass. He was shouting Stay back ! Stay back please,we won't be very long, And they weren't I would guess 3 minutes total. After they grabbed every thing from the window ,they said "Sorry for the inconvenience " and drove off , I actually knew one of the guys,I played golf with his uncle. I told the police and media just what I told you,all except the last bit.I did want to stay alive. So to answer your question Buttgoat ,the answer is yes ,british thugs are way more polite than US thugs, They consider them selves Robin hoods. ;) |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by prechermike on 01/14/11 at 08:20:34 4447464B49532A0 wrote:
Cool Babyhog, I love my pf9 as well. Those things are sweet. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by buttgoat1 on 01/14/11 at 09:35:38 44404A425D414C4540444C50290 wrote:
UK thugs usually knife other thugs, no need to knife little old laidy's who are not a threat, when I left England most real bad guys carried short swords on their left or right hips,the favorite among street gangs is a cut throat razor ,nasty in a fight .[/quote] fair enough, so, so how many of US gun crimes are thug on thug? I am sure the number is significant. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by mick on 01/14/11 at 12:12:13 there seems to be alot of thug on thug in LA and NY, all the big city's I would think ,just fighting over turf rights,Latinos and blacks are famouse for it. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 01/14/11 at 14:04:55 Mick is right on. If we could eliminate the thug on thug gun crimes from the statistics, my guess is that the number then is very low. And I don't give a hoot about how many bad guys kill each other. Saves the state a lot of money. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by LostArtist on 01/14/11 at 14:30:07 404F4349424F44484F584D4F582A0 wrote:
but it cost all of us who pay insurance to cover their health care while they are getting stitched up in the emergency room, of course I'm assuming that thugs dont' have healthcare. . . is there a thug health insurance? |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 01/14/11 at 14:37:15 LA - A good number of the only need an hour's rental of a backhoe to dig the hole to dump them in. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by buttgoat1 on 01/14/11 at 14:38:15 Maybe Planned Parenhood can expand and take care of em, since they only are in it to provide Gyn Care to the poor and underprivileged. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 01/14/11 at 14:46:12 Maybe we can get PP to put birth control drugs in bottles of cheap wine and the big cans of beer. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Starlifter on 01/14/11 at 15:07:36 "Maybe we can get PP to put birth control drugs in bottles of cheap wine and the big cans of beer." ...that gun-nuts drink as they oil and feel their guns while their loins tingle and their pants begin to stain... (Sarcasm here folks.) Uh, Jerry I think you were getting a little nasty there with your rhetoric so I thought I would add that last sentence for fun. A gun is a tool and proper training is the key. I have several guns and respect them. I do not believe guns belong in schools, churches, bars, K-marts, or shopping malls. "And that's all I have to say about that." ...as Forest Gump might say. |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by bill67 on 01/14/11 at 15:13:11 +1 |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by mick on 01/14/11 at 20:15:05 3C333F353E3338343324313324560 wrote:
Careful Jerry, abortion is a sin in your religion. And don't forget Jerry ,Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich. :) |
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Title: Re: Our Tucson boys ok?? Post by Starlifter on 01/15/11 at 09:38:55 "Careful Jerry, abortion is a sin in your religion." As is birth control. |
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