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Message started by buttgoat1 on 05/20/11 at 09:52:34

Title: Dirty Jobs
Post by buttgoat1 on 05/20/11 at 09:52:34

I enjoy watching "Dirty Jobs" on the discovery channel and usually say, eh I've done worse or thats no big deal.  Apparently he, recently testified before Congress (now THATS a dirty job....)

"Testimony of Mike Rowe Before U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation May 11, 2011

(Washington, DC) Chairman Rockefeller, Ranking Member Hutchison and members of this committee, my name is Mike Rowe, and I want to thank you all very much for the opportunity to share a few thoughts about our country's relationship with manufacturing, hard work, and skilled labor.

According to the credits, I am the creator, executive producer and host of a TV program on the Discovery Channel called Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe. In truth, I'm more like a perpetual apprentice.

For seven years, I've been traveling around the country, working alongside the people who grow our food, provide our energy, tend to our infrastructure, and manufacture our things. To date, I've completed nearly 300 different jobs, visited every state, and worked in just about every industry. A less flattering assessment might suggest that I've been fired 300 times in less than seven years. Either way, my current resume has more to do with trying than succeeding, and my opinions should not be confused with those of an expert.

Dirty Jobs is first and foremost an entertainment program. It does however, have a mission statement, and every episode begins the same way. "My name is Mike Rowe, and this is my job. I explore the country looking for people who aren't afraid to get dirty. Hard-working men and women who do the kinds of jobs that make civilized life possible for the rest of us."

For years, no one paid much attention to this mission. But in 2008, the recession made Dirty Jobs relevant in ways I never envisioned. As unemployment became a dominate topic, and my own dirty resume continued to expand, reporters were suddenly interested in my take on all sorts of work-related issues. Labor disputes, free trade, currency devaluations, outsourcing, student loans - I was invited to weigh in on lots of issues for which I had no real expertise.

For the most part, I pleaded ignorance and kept my mouth shut. But when a writer from The Wall Street Journal asked me to "reconcile soaring unemployment with an ever-widening skills gap," I felt compelled to say something. So I referred him to the mission statement of the show and added, "once upon a time, our country was filled with people who weren't afraid to get dirty. Times have changed. The definition of a ‘good job' has changed."

I went on to suggest that the skills gap might not be a "problem," but rather a symptom of something much more fundamental; a societal disconnect with work, brought about by the rapid transformation of a manufacturing-based economy into one dominated by financial services and technology.

The reporter wanted to hear more so I kept talking. I told him about my grandfather, a modest man with an eighth grade education that went on to become a plumber, a mason, a mechanic, a carpenter, and a master electrician. A revered craftsman who could build a house without a blueprint. A man who today, would be mostly invisible.

I talked about the subtle and not-so-subtle ways we marginalize work in today's culture. In the media, our portrayals of working people rarely surpass one-dimensional stereotypes and predictable hyperbole. Best-selling books like "The Four-Hour Work Week" fly off the shelves, a testament to short-cuts, and a growing belief that technology (or something) can somehow replace hard work. I talked about the way colleges have become "institutions of higher learning," while all other forms of knowledge are relegated to "alternative education." I suggested a PR Campaign for skilled labor might be in order, and concluded by saying this Administration's goal of creating three million shovel ready jobs might have a better chance of succeeding if our society still respected the people willing to pick up a shovel.

When the article came out the flood gates opened. On Labor Day of 2008, I launched mikeroweWORKS.com, my own modest PR Campaign for hard work and skilled labor. Its primary purpose is to challenge the notion that a career in the trades is some sort of "vocational consolation prize," handed out to workers unfit for a four-year degree.

Fans of Dirty Jobs helped collect and assemble thousands of links to trade schools, apprenticeship programs, community colleges, on-the-job-training opportunities, and other resources that might be of use to anyone considering a career in the skilled trades. I set up a foundation and began to raise money for the purpose of tool scholarships and farming initiatives. Mostly though, I tried to encourage a bigger conversation, and challenge my partners to get behind this message in a significant way. I wanted mikeroweWORKS to function as a kind of connective tissue for other companies and organizations, and to that extent, I'm happy to say it's working.

Ford, Caterpillar, Kimberly-Clark, Lee, Master Lock, and other large corporations are all working with mikeroweWORKS in some capacity, and are highly motivated to change perceptions about skilled labor. A few weeks ago, Alan Mulally at Ford pulled me aside and said, "Mike, this issue is nothing less than the soul of America. Our country's future is at stake, and this is a battle we cannot afford to lose."

Aside from major corporations, other like-minded initiatives have begun to use mikeroweWORKS as a resource for their own purposes, and I've been honored to speak on behalf of several campaigns that have already been deemed successful.

Last August, mikeroweWORKS partnered with "Go Build Alabama," an education and recruitment campaign designed to bring new people to the commercial and industrial construction industry. I appeared in a series of advertisements that called attention to the fact that one third of all skilled tradesmen in the construction industry are over the age of 50 and retiring fast, with no one to replace them. The campaign drives people to GoBuildAlabama.com, where potential employees can learn more about skilled trade careers and find information about training programs.

In this same spirit, I was also proud to join forces with Caterpillar and The Association of Equipment Manufacturers for the launch of "I Make America," a national grassroots campaign to promote US manufacturing jobs through infrastructure investment and the passage of export agreements.

I would also like to commend the White House initiative called "Skills for America's Future," which is designed to reduce the skills gap by working with employers and community colleges to make sure the education students receive will translate directly into the marketplace, increasing their chances of finding and keeping a good job.

The fact is, there are many initiatives out there making a difference. The problem that so many encounter though, is a tendency to "preach to the choir." With respect to issues like the skills gap, we too often speak only to the people directly involved, the employers, desperate to hire skilled talent, and the unemployed, woefully untrained for the task at hand. To really make a difference, we need to change the perceptions of a much larger audience, and challenge the prevailing definition of a "good job." Americans need to see these workers for what they are - the key to civilized life as we know it. And that means a campaign and a message that reaches everybody.

Toward that end, I'm pleased to help launch a broad-based initiative sponsored by Discovery Communications that will reach millions and millions of people. Discovery's goal is to empower both unemployed and underemployed Americans with access to critical resources that will assist them in obtaining marketable job skills.

TV personalities from across Discovery's networks will participate in this campaign which will leverage Discovery's position as the top nonfiction media company reaching more than 780 million cumulative subscribers across our 14 US networks and Discovery Education's unparalleled reach into schools across the country. Participating on-air talent have been chosen because their distinctive skills are particularly valuable and needed in today's marketplace, and because they are credible to viewers interested in similar professions.

As the leader in both nonfiction programming and broadband-delivered educational content and services to US schools, Discovery is uniquely qualified to deliver this message to a mass audience, and to provide meaningful support on a national level. The people you see on Discovery's air are not only real people, but are also successful professionals working in critical areas of the economy.

To be clear, I support the efforts of Congress and the Administration to create three to four million shovel-ready jobs. But obviously, it's no longer enough to merely create opportunity. If that were the case, we wouldn't have 200,000 vacant positions in the manufacturing sector, or nearly 500,000 openings for tradesmen, transportation, and utility workers. We need to create respect for the work itself, and for the people still willing to do it.

As the host of a TV show about hard work, people often assume I speak for tradesmen and skilled workers. In reality, I don't. I can only speak for myself and anyone else who shares my addiction to paved roads, reliable bridges, heating, air conditioning, and indoor plumbing. The tradesmen I know don't need a spokesman. It's the rest of us who need to worry. Because a civilization without skilled labor, is not a civilization at all.

Along with Discovery, I am ready, able, and eager to partner with the federal government to help reconnect our country to the importance of manufacturing and skilled labor."

http://impact.discovery.com/press/testimony-mike-rowe-us-senate-committee-commerce-s/



My father always told me he wanted me to do better and to not have to work as hard as he did.  That's great, but I still can do it and appreciate those who do work hard every day.
Some hard work would certainly benefit a lot of people, there is a lot of satisfaction to be had, along with character building.

what Dirty jobs have you had?  I grew up and worked on a farm.  I have had quite a few dirty jobs, shoveled tons of manure, covered under more dirt  than I care to think about, busted more knuckles working on tractors, trucks, and equipment.
After that, anything is a breeze.

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by Starlifter on 05/20/11 at 10:04:59

I saw a report on this on CNN and I agree.

And those who are willing to pick up a shovel or take on any other job where they put their backs into it for thirty or forty years to do the hard work of America, deserve a decent retirement with full medical coverage at age 65.

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by buttgoat1 on 05/20/11 at 10:16:21

instead we let illegal immigrants in to lower the prevailing wage and give them extra benefits to boot (free healthcare).

Brought to you by those who don't care about national soverignty and rules of law. (you know who they are)

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by Max_Morley on 05/20/11 at 11:46:44

AS a retired vocational teacher (Automotive Technology) I agree with Mike. Not many want their kids to have to get dirty or work hard anymore. However I fear for the day the 50+ YO'ds retire and we have to wait for essential repair we cannot do ourselves. Currently we came back from being a snowbird (now know as winter visitor) to AZ and I have been over 2 weeks waiting to get a plumber to diagnose for sure and then fix our septic tank problem. They finally dug yesterday afternoon and found what we thought was the problem. Roots from nearby willows had totally filled the incorrect pipe (they used perforated pipe with the holes down, supposed to be solid) between the tank and drain field. We wait now for the health department to say what system has to be be reinstalled and then wait to get it done. Go Mike go with your education of the public. Max

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by arteacher on 05/20/11 at 12:50:17

Another big problem is an educational system that trains people for jobs that don't exist, simply to fill classrooms. Case in point: teacher's colleges are graduating new teachers into a market of declining enrollment. Teachers are being laid off all over the place, yet they graduate teachers who will never have a permanent job after 5 or more years of post secondary education. In my son's graduating class in Music Industry Arts at a local college they promised a 73% placement. A few got jobs at music stores and audio stores. My dad was a mechanical engineer, and had to hire technically skilled people from England, Scotland and Germany because we weren't training them here.
The educational system needs a shake-up... big time!

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by mick on 05/20/11 at 13:56:09

I was a fireman on British Rail,I shoveled a few tons of coal every day.
Strangly enough my real name is Michael Rowe aka mike.
In England we had a exam at 11 + years old,it was the results of that test that was the factor weather you went on to higher education, or learned a trade, after my results were in my teacher recomended I work with my hands rather than my head, you can study privatly if you wish,otherwise you leave school at 15 years old.
PS, I think the rules have changed now.But thats the way it was.
                             Mike Rowe

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by Boofer on 05/20/11 at 18:23:05

I have a 13 year old daughter that I try to advise from time to time on her future choice of work. Being a skilled craftsman (carpenter) I recommend she take a 2-3 year course at one of 3 colleges within 40 miles of where I am now. She can go for those years fully paid, with a little scrounging. She will have a craft or skill in medical tech, business specialties, CPA, etc. I also would be proud if she had a lawn care company, painted houses, or many other hands-on jobs. It will ultimately be her choice, and one thing I want her to be is happily married and a mother if she wants children. Again, that's up to her, but I believe she must be a useful person to society and a tax payer, like I used to be. She agrees and is great help around home. Working with your hands AND your mind is, in my opinion, The American Dream.  

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by Yonuh Adisi FSO on 05/20/11 at 20:12:09

I am very proud of my younger daughter, she is going to go to college first to learn automotive technology which will make her ASE Certified to work on cars, and she also wants to get a teaching degree for kindergarten on top of the auto tech certification.

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by BurnPgh on 05/20/11 at 22:21:02

+1 for your daughter. Im in for diesel tech now. A million avenues to branch into, a million ways to specialize, and million job opportunities. All the old gearheads are retiring and Detroit, CAT, Cummins, Navistar, Freightliner, the railroads, dealerships, indy shops etc etc are all having trouble finding young workers who A - CAN do the work B - Are WILLING to put in the time and effort to build a career. I was on a road trip in a diesel bus that died about 30 miles outside of ashville NC. Many Many diesel pickups in the area and only 2 diesel shops one of which was a dealership. Not to mention that about 60%(geussing) of our interstate commerce is conducted shipping this or that back and forth in diesel powered heavy trucks. Construction Equipment, farm equipment, trains, boats....almost all diesel. I said then to myself "this is where the money's at."
Everyone my age thinks they're going to take a million out in student loans, get a 4 year degree and start at $100K. They dont get hold of reality until they 30 and find themselves with a degree in business management making $9 as an assistant manager at PizzaHut and tens of thousand of dollars in unpaid loans.

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by photojoe on 05/21/11 at 04:17:01

Interesting post and comments.

I've been working since I was 16. Started delivering newspapers, then a dishwasher, cut grass, worked as a laborer in construction, drove a cab and was a roadie for a rock band (6 nights a week, almost died). Worst dirtiest job I ever had was paving driveways in the summer heat; I found out what hell is like. Went on to learn a construction trade finishing drywall. Made a good living doing that for most of my life, but suffered several times from a series of housing busts. All of the above jobs, outside of being a roadie, are now mostly done by illegal immigrants.

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by arteacher on 05/21/11 at 06:39:19

A friend of my son started out at a posh restaurant washing dishes. Then he graduated to making salads, then sauces, then cook's assistant then cook then Master Chef. He is 32 years old and makes in excess of $80 though a year- and he never finished high school- he just worked hard.
Another got his plumbing ticket. He and his wife (a nurse) went up north to Yellowknife, are working lots of hours, saving their money, and will come back and pay cash for a nice house and a couple of cars, and start a family. I taught both of them in High School where they were a couple of losers who I thought wouldn't amount to too much. :o

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by WD on 05/21/11 at 06:47:08

The job scene here is horrifying. Nobody wants to work, makes it hard for those of us who do.

I've always had "dirty jobs" since I prefer it that way. Wrangler, stablehand, forkilift operator (aluminum mill and sod farms), truck driver (flatbed and containers), mechanic, farm hand, warehouseman, etc. Grew up in the garden, cutting firewood, feeding cattle. I can even work with a team of horses (or mules or oxen).

My wife is pushing me to get an off farm job. Don't have time... 50+ acres takes a lot of work. Mowing, pruning, dock repairs, pond dredging/expanding, barn maintenance, equipment upkeep. Gardens to turn, plant, weed and harvest. Blacksmith shop and woodshop to makes products for her craft fair booths. In ground swimming pool to restore. Miles of fencing to replace. Hobby level motorcycle shop on the side to get back up and running. Main house is over 170 years old, her Dad is 85, I have to cover the slack.

I could do the whole higher education routine with my eyes closed. Been there. Hated it. Hate being indoors. Could have enrolled at John's Hopkins as a student when I was 13. I've got a mid-180s IQ and get bored easily.

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by mick on 05/21/11 at 10:25:31


495A1E0 wrote:
The job scene here is horrifying. Nobody wants to work, makes it hard for those of us who do.

I've always had "dirty jobs" since I prefer it that way. Wrangler, stablehand, forkilift operator (aluminum mill and sod farms), truck driver (flatbed and containers), mechanic, farm hand, warehouseman, etc. Grew up in the garden, cutting firewood, feeding cattle. I can even work with a team of horses (or mules or oxen).

My wife is pushing me to get an off farm job. Don't have time... 50+ acres takes a lot of work. Mowing, pruning, dock repairs, pond dredging/expanding, barn maintenance, equipment upkeep. Gardens to turn, plant, weed and harvest. Blacksmith shop and woodshop to makes products for her craft fair booths. In ground swimming pool to restore. Miles of fencing to replace. Hobby level motorcycle shop on the side to get back up and running. Main house is over 170 years old, her Dad is 85, I have to cover the slack.

I could do the whole higher education routine with my eyes closed. Been there. Hated it. Hate being indoors. Could have enrolled at John's Hopkins as a student when I was 13. I've got a mid-180s IQ and get bored easily.

WD, I have to believe you because you are a fellow athiest ,and we never lie.
But a 180 IQ, Steven Hawkins has a 160,microsoft founder Paul Allen has a 160, Leonardodi Vinci 180, Albert Einstien 160, Mozart 153.
If you really have a 180 ,congratulations,you are the Smartesgt guy on this site. Well done.     Mickk

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by bill67 on 05/21/11 at 16:29:35

I'm just missing the zero on my 180 IQ.

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by arteacher on 05/21/11 at 16:59:14

I'm missing the 1 on my 180 I.Q. ;D

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by WD on 05/21/11 at 21:45:22

I'm a language and engineering fanatic. Always have been, I was reading real books at age 4. Have been spinning wrenches since I was 4 or 5. At one point I could pull, strip down, rebuild and reinstall a Harley powertrain in under 3 hours. Indian big twin flatties in under 2 hours. Made Eagle Scout at 15, could have been done with all the requirements at age 13 but got bored and slacked off.

I was offered a full ride to Hopkins. Took the SATs in 7th grade. Failed out of the state ag school, I was bored to tears. Knew more than the instructors, proved it a few too many times.

My wife thinks it is absolutely hilarious that I'm nearly computer illiterate. Can't help it, I'm technophobic. Anything more complex than points ignition and I just don't care to learn it.

She handles our finances. I think money is funny colored little bits of paper with no intrinsic value. She also does 90% or better of our four wheel trips. I absolutely hate driving, always have. Funny when you consider we have 6 trucks, 3 cars, 4 motorcycles between the 3 people on this farm. I'll run a tractor all day long.

I'm happiest when I'm filthy from head to toe. Coop me up in an office or research lab and I'll be dead in a year.

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/23/11 at 19:30:05


0013570 wrote:
I'm a language and engineering fanatic. Always have been, I was reading real books at age 4. Have been spinning wrenches since I was 4 or 5. At one point I could pull, strip down, rebuild and reinstall a Harley powertrain in under 3 hours. Indian big twin flatties in under 2 hours. Made Eagle Scout at 15, could have been done with all the requirements at age 13 but got bored and slacked off.

I was offered a full ride to Hopkins. Took the SATs in 7th grade. Failed out of the state ag school, I was bored to tears. Knew more than the instructors, proved it a few too many times.

My wife thinks it is absolutely hilarious that I'm nearly computer illiterate. Can't help it, I'm technophobic. Anything more complex than points ignition and I just don't care to learn it.

She handles our finances. I think money is funny colored little bits of paper with no intrinsic value. She also does 90% or better of our four wheel trips. I absolutely hate driving, always have. Funny when you consider we have 6 trucks, 3 cars, 4 motorcycles between the 3 people on this farm. I'll run a tractor all day long.

I'm happiest when I'm filthy from head to toe. Coop me up in an office or research lab and I'll be dead in a year.




I wasnt that smart or quite that messed up over driving, but I can sure understand that "Im happy when Im filthy".
Kinda strange to me you dont dig driving  truck,, I dig mine, 300 Cubic inch, 6 cylinder Ford, 4 speed. Keeping the RPM down, working it, stretching the MPG, not luggin it, listening to it run, watchin that tach,, I enjoy operating that thing, Sitting behind a wheel, just keepin something between the ditches, deadly boring.

Ask Santa for  back hoe,, youll love that..

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by WD on 05/23/11 at 20:45:35

Have one, John Deere 5400. Was using the front end loader bucket on it today to snag chunks of oak out of the blowdown. Trying to get photos to the insurance company, car dolly and a bunch of implements got damaged. Micro-burst took the tree down on 4/19.

Let's see:  Trucks you say? 85 C10 Silverado, 4.3 V6/auto, short wide bed. Boring, ugly, shakes like crazy. 92 Ranger longbed (114"wb), 2.3/5spd is wrecked. 94 Ranger shortbed (108"wb) 2.3L 4 banger/5spd. Haunted but I drive it anyway. 85 C60 BIG V8/4spd, utility bucket truck. Squirrels keep snacking on hydraulic hoses. 69 D-100 longbed, 318/727 auto. Runs good after it uses 2 gallons of fuel to start. Not street legal, bad electrical glitches in the rear harness. 49 Dodge 1/2 ton 218 L6 (flathead)/3 spd (on the floor where it belongs). Replacement 230 flathead being prepped for it, I'll drive this one. Been in my family since new. Not sure it counts but, 70ish Ungers Coach motorhome, Dodge 413-3/727 auto.

Cars? 95 Subaru Outback, I don't like it, puts my legs to sleep. Unknown year Pontiac Vibe (don't like Toyotas). 72 VW Super Beetle, father in law grenaded my 2300cc dual Webered engine and replaced it with a 1600cc single carb.

Bikes? 98 Savage (full custom). 96 Intruder 800 (Lisa's). 63 Honda CL72 (in pieces). 70 Honda CL100 (can't find it, think it is at a shop).

Tractors? JD 5400; JD 1020 (3 cylinder gasoline); JD 3020; JD can't remember but it is European and decent sized, pulls a 12' finish mower; Kubota L1510 (everything is in Japanese, gray market tractor); Massey Ferguson 165 with 14' rough cut mower/bush hog; Kubota front mount 6' deck finishing mower.

There are other toys here... But, I hate sailing, so the sailboat is rotting away in the center orchard.  ::)

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by joscswny on 06/03/11 at 09:43:33

I was born in the late 40’s.  Father did not want me to “learn the hard way” or to work as he had needed to.

I played sports and goofed off until I graduated from high school.  I went to a prestigious Engineering school and made the Dean’s List.  No, the other Dean’s List.  Here began a VERY steep learning curve.  

My second year of college was at a state junior college and I paid half.  I returned to the first school and 7 years later I graduated.  The last 5 years I paid for by myself.  I had a very small debt.  After graduation I began to work with my hands.  I believe I can do anything or learn to do anything that has to do with dirt, grease, wood or metal.

My dirtiest job was as a commercial roofer.  My crew and I stripped an old tar roof from a center-drain wooden roof deck.  The deck had a pigeon coup.  The center drain was blocked by several generations of pigeons that had passed.  Some were only bones, some just starting the journey.  My performance was enhanced by the aftereffect of a
a “slight” beverage induced euphoria.  

This job was rivaled by many but surpassed by none.  

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by drharveys on 06/03/11 at 11:55:18

I'll second that on commercial roofers!

My grandfather was a roofer and tinsmith in Brooklyn -- still climbing ladders well into his 70's, only stopping 'cause of diabetes related blindness.  I don't think he ever used work gloves, or gave up on them because they wore out so quickly.  He had hands like feet.  There were calluses in the palms of his hand at least an inch thick.

I had a few "dirty gigs" in high school and college, but now, I have to keep my hand clean at work.  Still, with motorcycles, bicycles and boats I can get pleasantly dirty on the weekend!

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by bill67 on 06/03/11 at 13:59:58

Well my dad was a small building contractor,I started working with him when I was in 6th grade.My brother worked one day and me the next til high school and then we both worked every day.Build my first own house when I was 22 years old on nights and Sundays. So I have worked with my hands all my life,Was just getting good at building when it was time to retire.

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by kimchris1 on 06/03/11 at 17:41:57

I have to really think on this one as have worked since
I was young. Hmmm ok well as far as dirty, it acutally
could be classified as smelly...Ok here goes..
Back in about 1986, ex hubby worked with the commercial
fishermen on the Columbia River.
He unloaded the boats as they came in with their catch.
Well that year the Salmon showed up in abundance.
The Salmon run had not been like that in years.
Myself along with 2 of the fishermen wives decided to help
out..
The fish were placed into totes on the dock.
Us gals job was to bring the fish up from the lower dock
to the upper continers.
Sounds easy right.. Well it would have been had their been
a conveyor belt.
We were the belt.. We carried 2 fish at a time up the dock.
Not that bad until the tide went out. Then the dock ramp
was like walking up a hill.
Also we worked steady for 14 to 16 hrs. When we were able
to sleep, I would wake up with my hands curved.
Like I had carried fish in my sleep..
The first week we did this for almost 5 days straight.
All in all we worked 3 weeks and then the fish season
was closed. I made some good money. Yet again long
hard hours.
The first couple days we had no rain gear. So our clothes
were literally covered in fish slime...Those clothes
were thrown away..
Yes definetly the smelliest job I ever had..   :) kim

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by skatnbnc on 06/03/11 at 23:00:04

I prefer working my living history tasks than being in the office - always have. But around here those outdoor jobs pay $8 or less an hour, so I do the office work to pay the mortgage.

Anyway, its reassuring to go to the living history events and see all sorts of old trades being practiced, albeit by a very small minority of people, at least they aren't dead and lost yet.

My history friends are blacksmiths, tailors (of 18 + 19 century clothing made by hand), farm workers on historic sites (oxen teams, horses, sheep, cows, chickens all tended by hand), chairmakers, tinsmiths, weavers, coopers, musicians, singers and dancers of 200+ year old music and dance, even a slate tombstone carver and more. Its wonderful!

So even tho I work on computer and finances in an office, I can use a spinning wheel, milk a cow or goat, ride horses, tend all sorts of farm animals like chickens and sheep, weave on 18th century looms, knit, crochet, make butter, cheese, and other foods by hand in 18th century style, am a seamstress of 18-19th century clothing all by hand using period techniques, I can shear a sheep, and take the wool from raw to dying, carding, spinning and then woven cloth and clothing all by hand.
And as most of you know - this is ALL DIRTY sweaty hard work - but I always feel better doing this type of thing; like it MEANS something when you've done it yourself, you know where the end product came from and how.  Thats black powder on my face fromfiring the musket btw...
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/06/04/bikepics-2218802-full.jpg
Immersion events rock - 4 days of LIVING in the 18th century. Now that is hard and dirty work!
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/06/04/bikepics-2218805-full.jpg

Spinning - also meeesy when you do it from shearing to weave - but my hands are soft from the lanolin!
http://p1.bikepics.com/pics/2011/06/04/bikepics-2218809-full.jpg

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by WD on 06/04/11 at 06:28:25

You'd fit right in at our house... 1840s plantation. Coal forge smithy, double barrel caplock shotgun (carried by Lisa's Confederate great-great grandfather), heirloom garden, heirloom orchards... Adding a chicken yard, heritage breed livestock. Centurion Minimus Maximus (our mini quarter horse, aka Sir S**ts A-Lot, aka Max) has a harness and I'm going to fix the small single bottom plow for him to pull...

I learned how to drive a horse and buggy when I was in grade school, neighbor restored 19th century buggies, wagons, carts, surreys, etc.

Lisa and I are former SCA (pre-1640) re-enactors. Still have all our gear. Her wedding dress was 10th century design. I wore Black Watch kilt, usually wore Royal Ross Hunting kilt/plaid (ancient colors). Her family has been UDC, DAR, SCV for decades.

We are planning on converting the farm into a working Southern heritage farm preserve. With rental garden spots, a healthy u-fish pond full of native species, small camping area (primitive) and a small farm store (all organic). Family friendly naturist beach on the pond, some naturist friendly garden spots.

Guest trailer is ready if/when you need a break from what you are going through. All the modern amenities (right in front of the smithy).

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by Sunchasers on 06/07/11 at 00:49:26

The summer of 1979 I worked for a rendering company in southern Nebraska.  For those of you who may not know what a rendering company is, they collect or pick up dead livestock, butchershop waste cans, larger road kill, etc.  A job thats bad enough during the cool months, but in the peak summer heat it's gut-wrenched gagging at the least.  Was never so glad to leave a job for college in the Fall!

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by buttgoat1 on 06/07/11 at 03:54:34

Yep, pulling out dead hogs on the farm to the collection container was bad enough, and that was when they were "fresh".    Sometimes not so fresh, how could you miss a dead 240# hog in the summertime?  For a day or more.....

That also reminded me of a guy I worked with.   Really smart but decided he was going to work rather than college.  His stepdad got him a job at the slaughter house.  Apparently the pranksters there thought it was a real hoot to put cow brains in his coat pocket, or liver chunks in his lunch bag.......
Musta motivated him cuz he ended up with structural engineering degree from the citadel.

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by skatnbnc on 06/07/11 at 18:46:42


7360240 wrote:
You'd fit right in at our house... 1840s plantation. Coal forge smithy, double barrel caplock shotgun (carried by Lisa's Confederate great-great grandfather), heirloom garden, heirloom orchards... Adding a chicken yard, heritage breed livestock. Centurion Minimus Maximus (our mini quarter horse, aka Sir S**ts A-Lot, aka Max) has a harness and I'm going to fix the small single bottom plow for him to pull...

I learned how to drive a horse and buggy when I was in grade school, neighbor restored 19th century buggies, wagons, carts, surreys, etc.

Lisa and I are former SCA (pre-1640) re-enactors. Still have all our gear. Her wedding dress was 10th century design. I wore Black Watch kilt, usually wore Royal Ross Hunting kilt/plaid (ancient colors). Her family has been UDC, DAR, SCV for decades.

We are planning on converting the farm into a working Southern heritage farm preserve. With rental garden spots, a healthy u-fish pond full of native species, small camping area (primitive) and a small farm store (all organic). Family friendly naturist beach on the pond, some naturist friendly garden spots.

Guest trailer is ready if/when you need a break from what you are going through. All the modern amenities (right in front of the smithy).


My family is Scots-Irish, and all that farm wok I know how to do! - so your place is looking better ALL the time! You definitley need a bald-headed hired hand!  :)

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by runwyrlph on 06/10/11 at 12:36:00


0B185C0 wrote:
We are planning on converting the farm into a working Southern heritage farm preserve. With rental garden spots, a healthy u-fish pond full of native species, small camping area (primitive) and a small farm store (all organic). Family friendly naturist beach on the pond, some naturist friendly garden spots.

Guest trailer is ready if/when you need a break from what you are going through. All the modern amenities (right in front of the smithy).


Does "naturist" mean what I thought it means ?  Seems like kind of a wierd farm :o

Title: Re: Dirty Jobs
Post by WD on 06/10/11 at 13:58:00

Naturist does equal nudist (kinda). If that is what you were asking. And it is a recreational pursuit/lifestyle that is really catching on. Our home has been clothing optional for as long as I can recall. None of my stepson's friends (male or female) ever had an issue with it.

Farm is in the process of going organic. They tie in together rather well.


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