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Title: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 06/15/11 at 07:59:30 There's a news story today that a 6 year old pit bull killed its 39 year old male owner. When police arrived at the house, the dog was roaming loose in the house and another pit bull was chained in the yard. These animals scare the crap out of me. I've owned dogs my entire life, but why does anyone want one that, over time, has ancestors that have been bred for extremely agressive behavior? Even if you think one is docile, you don't know when those genes will take over and the dog will go ballistic. Just last weekend I was in a hotel where a woman in a pickup had one in the seat while she was talking to a couple of guys who looked like gang members outside of the truck. She had the window on the driver's side of the truck rolled down far enoung that the dog could have jumped out. I waited until they all left before going out to unload my car. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/15/11 at 08:22:07 On another forum, theres a liberal/anti-gunner type who rescues dogs & loooves them Pits,,, Strange Innitt? Guns dont just run off & start killin people,, but Hed take guns away from us & have Pits around,,, genius.. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/15/11 at 08:35:45 606F6369626F64686F786D6F780A0 wrote:
Thats good news to me,I hope my neighbors pit bull kills him and his wife.When I start mowing my lawn they bring the dog out,Its on a chain hooked to the ground,But if it gets loose it will get me,It shows its teeth every time I go around the house.I carry a billy club and hornet spray in my hand to protect my self if I have too. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 06/15/11 at 08:45:39 Bill - I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I learned from my many years of bicycling that there few things that will affect a dog that is attacking. Mace doesn't affect them at all. Some people say that a squirt gun filled with ammonia might be somewhat effective, and that pepper spray works against smaller dogs, but I have no personal knowledge of this. Your billy club probably won't have much effect either - remember, in the fighting ring, these dogs latch on until death, and you can't hit the dog with the club until he's already got you in his jaws. Unfortunately, about the only effective deterrent is a gunshot in the head. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/15/11 at 08:56:02 I have thought about shooting him with a shotgun,What would happen to me shooting in town,Or do I have to wait till he bits me first.I went to the cops 2 years ago they had a long chain were he could come in my yard 20 feet,The cops came and told them he had to shorten the chain,He did but it took him 3 days to do that. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 06/15/11 at 09:05:05 Bill - I wish I could answer your questions. Since I'm not licensed in Wisconsin, I have no idea what the laws are where you live. In Ohio, there is a state law that you can kill a dog that shows a liklihood of attacking you thru displaying aggressive behavior. We had a neighbor who had 2 German Shepards who were very agressive, and "claimed" our pond as their territory. My wife went over to the neighbor and told them that the next time the dogs put a toenail over the line, she would shoot them with her .380 Webley. And she wasn't kidding - my wife is an excellent shot - far better than I am. That's why I have to behave, at least at home (g). |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by verslagen1 on 06/15/11 at 09:06:36 yes there's 3 types of pepper spray, human, dog and bear. bear spray will blind a man. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/15/11 at 09:19:47 The dog can only get about 3 feet from my lot line now,My worry is if he gets loose.The neighbor is being smart a$$ about it too. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by babyhog on 06/15/11 at 09:27:12 Bill, you might have better luck tossing him a big meaty leg-bone when you start mowing. Maybe it will keep him occupied long enough for you to finish your grass. My UPS man won't come in my yard when my 3 little dogs are out. 2 are about 10 pounds each, one is about 25 pounds. They are yappy little dogs, not agressive looking at all, and they are all very sweet dogs. But they do YAP, YAP, YAP. Pizza delivery people, mail persons, FedEx guy, trash truck guys, nobody else has a problem with them except the UPS guy. He leaves my packages at the end of the driveway, just at the end of their invisible fence line. If he would take a minute to pet them, they would leave him alone in the future. I would go nuts if he shot one of them. But I also understand the fear some dogs can invoke. Pit bulls worry me too. I guess I believe any dog could turn viscious, maybe even if not provoked, but the clamp of a pit bull's jaw is, I hear, unbelievably strong. If one of my little dogs got ahold of you, you could sling it off with barely a scratch. And it would run away with its tail between its legs. I believe WV has specific laws applicable to Pit bulls and a couple other breeds. I have a cousin who's son was attacked by one of their German Shepherds (I think it was) almost 20 years ago, and they had had the dogs for several years, the boy was just a few years old and had played with the dogs since he was born. He hadn't done anything different than normal, the dog just attacked. Cousin shot the dog immediately. Boy has facial scars to this day. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/15/11 at 09:34:11 I've heard dogs would choke on chicken bones has any one heard of this? |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/15/11 at 09:42:54 The danger of cooked chicken bones is they splinter & Can lodge in the throat, but usually, if they cause a problem, its a bowel perforation, A fence, you need a fence.. or strap a pistol on your hip & mow the yard.. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by weracerc on 06/15/11 at 09:43:05 The wife had Mr Peanut (our chihauhau) out in the front yard for one of his daily mercy pee's - he was on a leash and the wife was on the cordless phone talking to her sister and all of the sudden she heard a growl - it was a loose pit bull roaming the neighborhood with a buddy of his (long haired collie type)...the pit bull had every intention of eating Mr Peanut and wifey - she grabbed up Mr P and started yelling (cussing like a sailor, according to her sister) and the dog was not backing off - then a car pulled up and the dogs ran and jumped in the car - she put Mr p up and got in her car and went looking for the vehicle that picked up the dogs - it was around the corner from our house - she called A.C. and they told her they had already had several calls from our neighborhood that day re two loose dogs one of which had dispalyed some aggressive behavior.....they came out na dhad a come to Jesus meeting with the owners whom they said had already been warned once or twice in the past 6 months about keeping those dogs fenced and or under control - next time they get called out the dogs will be removed and destroyed. Well wifey has started carrying a baseball bat and only one dog at a time to go out for thier many-times-a-day bladder/colon reliefs.......The A.C. officer told wifey if a dog displayed aggressive behavior and was in our yard we could shoot it (deal with discharging a gun inside city limits later)......I started carrying my 9mm for a few days them i stopped and went back to double dogs only to have the same thing happen to me...same two dogs out roaming - the colloie in my yard but the pit bull was across the street - by the time i got my two dogs back in the house and my gun in hand they had disappeared......one of these days those dogs will not be coming home! |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Serowbot on 06/15/11 at 09:55:20 Many breeds of dog were breed for aggression, not just Pits... Pits were breed for fighting each other in a sporting ring for gambling purposes. Rottweilers, Dobermans, and many others were bred for guarding property and attacking humans... Mastiffs were bred for war... What they were bred for has little to do with their behavior,... it's what they are raised for that makes them dangerous... If Pits were outlawed,.. these people would get Rots, or Dobermans or some other breed, and raise them the same way... a much more dangerous proposition... I'd rather be attacked by a 60lb Pit then a 120lb Rot... with the same disposition... |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by verslagen1 on 06/15/11 at 09:57:11 make sure you have rounds that don't rickoshay. would hate to hear about shooting self. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 06/15/11 at 10:25:46 Serowbot - You are incorrect, my Friend - breeding has everything to do with the genes a dog possesses. Remember, all dogs are descendent from wolves, and those who have been bred to be aggressive are far more dangerous. How a dog is raised has some effect on its propensity to be agressive, but not on the possibility of it. At one time I raised St. Bernards, known to be the gentle beasts of the dog world, and bred to save people, not harm them. Yet, one of my college buddies had a Saint on his farm that would attack hogs like a lion attacks game - bringing them down by a hold on the throat. Any dog can become dangerous at any time - that's the nature of animals. The orca whale that attacked its trainer at one of the theme parks a few years ago, and that supposedly tame chimp that tore off that lady's face a couple of years ago are only examples that I can immediately recall. Breeding only lessens, or enhances the possibility of a dog's behavior becoming abberant at any given time. Breeding for aggression greatly enhances that possibility, and can overcome any sort of training or raising at any time. Genetics aren't overcome with training, only somewhat subdued, but the effects of genetics can rear up without warning. My current dog, a Chesador, which is a hybrid of 1/2 Labrador and 1/2 Cheasapeke Bay retriever, is as gentle, smart and obedient as any I've had. He loves everyone, including the delivery guys from UPS and Fed Ex. He jumps in the Fed Ex truck because the Fed Ex guy pets him. But I'd never let a toddler be alone with him without my wife and I present, as I know what could happen, even though the odds of it's happening are miniscule. At 110 pounds, if it did happen, a toddler wouldn't stand a chance. Having raised and bred dogs for nearly 40 years, I do know what I'm talking about here. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 06/15/11 at 10:30:51 Bill - Your neighbor is a nut, that's apparent. To a dog, a chain represents slavery and cruelty, while a fence that he can't jump is simply a boundary. Anyone who chains a dog to anything ought to have to spend at least 2 days tied out to the same chain. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Serowbot on 06/15/11 at 10:39:12 4A45494348454E424552474552200 wrote:
I grew up with Pits in England... My family there has had many of them over generations... Staffordshires, Manchesters , Bulldogs, and Pits... I think I know plenty... Pits today, are competing as pulling dogs... instead of fighting,... and they are amazing at it... They are bred, as always, for devotion and heart... The effort is not only to rehabilitate the dogs image,... but, to redirect the focus of many owners, by giving them a new direction to seek prestige through their animal... The Pit Bull was, during WWI, a national symbol of America and it's military... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n52CbgzSyfI&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6LDopZZVzg&feature=related[/media] http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Ww1APBT.jpg |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/15/11 at 11:34:21 Now I am scared :'( |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Sunchasers on 06/15/11 at 12:39:40 I always heard that raw hamburger laced with anti-freeze would take care of it, but don't know that for sure. Maybe a few laced meatballs might accidentally roll over 3 feet into their yard??? ::) Not that I hate dogs or anything, but in the case of those that are extremely aggressive or vicious towards me or my family on our own property, I would consider putting an end to it. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 06/15/11 at 13:09:56 That old WW I poster is frequently used to claim that pitt bulls ( American Terriers ) are nice. Well, at about 5 years typical age of a good breeding female, and about 100 years now since that poster, that makes for about 20 generations of breeding since those days, and as much as 30 generations for a puppy mill operation that breeds females as soon as they can.. Unfortunately, far too many breeders of pitts have used those 20 to 30 generations to breed aggressiveness into the animals. It typically, in the breeding world, only takes about 5 generations to get what you want to stress in your breeding program. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by arteacher on 06/15/11 at 13:13:39 Here in London Ont pitts are required to be muzzled at all times while out of doors. The breed can no longer be owned by a resident, but if you had one when the by-law went into effect you could keep it. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 06/15/11 at 13:50:45 Personally, and I know this idea would never fly, I would require all pitts to be neutered to prevent perservation of the breed, and let the breed go extinct of its own accord. I'm not cruel enough to demand that they be euthenized, but sterilization of all existing pitts would solve the problem in short order. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by weracerc on 06/15/11 at 13:52:39 not sure i would dose the dog with AF - easily traceable definitely something the dog owner would know whether the dog had expsoure from something on thier property - they immediately suspect the closest neightbor who has already complained of poisoning thier dog.....I am not proposing you roll over and live with it but I am not proposing poisoning either....got to be another solution dont know what it is right now. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Serowbot on 06/15/11 at 14:08:09 737C707A717C777B7C6B7E7C6B190 wrote:
... and then, those people would get Rottweilers or Dobermans and do the same... It's not the dog,.. it's the owner... Helen Keller's handi-dog was an American Pit... the Little Rascals dog was a Pit... look at pics from 50 or 100 years ago... Same dog. The owners have changed,... and they will train a Rot, Doby, German Shepard, or any large capable dog to be the same... Also,.. why does this bunch up yer' drawers so much?... More children are killed by their own mothers than by any dog. 20,000 people a year are killed by guns... 29 by dogs.... the majority killed by Chows and Rottweilers... The number 1 dog for serious maiming attacks is the German Shepard... Quote:
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/15/11 at 14:14:08 Seems like maybe I should kill the owner. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Serowbot on 06/15/11 at 14:15:51 7A7174742E2F180 wrote:
I hear anti-freeze will do the trick.... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by photojoe on 06/15/11 at 14:54:00 2C27222278794E0 wrote:
No Bill, then you will probably go to prison, and Klotz would lose their spokesperson. I don't know what would be worse. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Trippah on 06/15/11 at 16:50:20 Jerry - you are so right -, my girl friend kept telling me about Saints..so after we got married, we got a fantastic male...almost 200 lbs as weighed on a truck scale at work. 10 of the most wonderful years of my life. He was always so gentle..except the one time hiking in Western Mass section of the Applachain Trail..two hikers with hiking sticks came down the trail towards my wife and I, with my 1 year old strapped to my back. Caleb ran up to the first hiker, grabbed his hiking stick and snaaapped it in half...then kept his position between my son and the hikers....just being protective..thankfully the hikers were dog people and understood; however, we did change our hiking routine to eliminate such situations.... |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Trippah on 06/15/11 at 16:54:55 Speaking of Pit Bulls, my Bruins and the Canucks are about to drop the puck..so have a great evening all.....many safe miles to all. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Edgar on 06/15/11 at 17:37:12 I have a lab/pit mix, my brother in laws parents have a "pure" pit (as pure as the breed could be) and the way you raise them has everything to do with their behavior. Serow is right Jerry, the veterinary books my ex girlfriend studied to be a Vet assistant say so. I can raise a golden retriever to bark and growl at every single person it sees if it's how I wanted to raise it. Aggressive dogs are that way because their bad owners didn't want to socialize them at a young age. They don't see them as a friend and a pet and just ignore them and have them for their bark rather than company. If you chain a dog up everyday of it's life the only people it's not going to see as a threat is the hands that feed it. My girl is neutered because i didn't want a litter of puppies, a females risk of cancer increases when they have puppies and my dog is my companion, so a long life is what I want her to have. Bottom line is a lot of STUPID people give a great, gentle, and loyal breed a very bad rap. Have you tried making friends with the dog Bill? Other than a fence it might be your best defense... |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by kimchris1 on 06/15/11 at 18:00:06 Jerry, you did make some good points. However I am going to have to stick with Serowbot on this one. No, noone asked me to take sides. It is not a question of that. I have always had dogs in my life. I have had small, med and large breeds. My 3 dogs now consist of a Dachshund, Lab and Rott.. Guess which one has bitten me more than once and drawn blood? The Doxie has. My Lab nor Rott never have. My Rott does the exact job he was trained to do. He alerts me or us when someone or something approaches our property. Our neighborhood has some drug activity at times and, what I refer to undesireable people in it as well. When outside, the large dogs are inside a 6 ft chain length fence. Fence has "Beware of Dogs" signs just in case someone decides to come inside the fence. Yes you can come and go from the front door without the dogs having access to you. However, his reputation keeps peole out more so than his temperment. He ( John Wayne) love the name, was raised with love and has never been hit nor abused. I enrolled him in "Puppy Preschool" when he was 8 weeks old. I had never had a Rott and knew he was going to be huge. I wanted to make sure from the get go that he knew he was not the "boss." Would I leave a baby with him alone? Hell no, nor would I leave one with the Doxie. Any dog has the potential to be aggressive and yes can turn at any time. Bill, those dogs are being used to torment you it sounds. Be careful taking any action against them, unless they come on your property. To give yourself peace of mind, a fence may be the best investment in order to give you some peace of mind and keep yourself safe. As far as I am concerned, the owners need to be "taken care of." Unfortunately it is the dogs that will be euthanized or hurt due to the owners stupidity. John Wayne may act aggressive when you first come to the house. He is afterall alerting me that someone is around. Just like the Lab and the Doxie. When he is taken to the vet, he is the dog that lays there quietly, head on floor, and waits patiently to see the Dr. He may be an exception yet again he was raised with love and understanding. He knows if I do raise my voice, he has done something wrong and immediately sits down. I can count on one hand the times this has happened. I don't think it is fair to assume that a certain breed is anymore aggressive than another. Again my Doxie has been more aggressive acting than my Rott. I raised the Rott and not the Doxie. Doxie was a rescue dog and has shown some signs of abuse. His understanding that it is love here he receives and not abuse has helped him with his aggression problems. My Mom had a Pitt for 11 years. Loved everyone, Mom could do anything to that dog. Reba the Pitt, never growled at my Mom once. Again a dog that was rasined with love and understanding. It makes a difference. kim |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/15/11 at 18:31:30 My one grandson got bit 3 times by a small dog about a month ago they were puncher wound that threw blood,Of course the owner said it was the first time he bit anybody,The rule is in that county a dogs as to bite 3 different time before they put them down.I have never been bit by a dog. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/15/11 at 18:35:52 Kim dogs don't bite the hands that feed them normally. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by scroop on 06/15/11 at 21:26:33 I love animals (heck, I'm part animal myself), but I hate these types of dogs. There is no humane reason for them to exist. About 15 years ago I was working inside a customers house who had one of these types of dogs. The dog was fairly mellow as long as the owner was around. At about 3:00 or so in the afternoon the school bus had left off some kids for the day. Man, I tell ya, that dog was all over the door growling at those kids and jumping up and down against the door. I mean it was pissed! Had it gotten out, those kids would have been history. I had a tight grip on my hammer, but I doubt that I would have been able to do anything and that's the problem. Instead of acting we react, but by then it's too late. Bill, you definately gotta do the fence thing. Maybe you can force you neighber to pay for half, but I doubt it. After the fence is up, then you could also feed the dog massive amounts of cholesterol and sugar and hope that it dies from a stroke or diabetes complications. Hey, maybe you could even pretend to make up with the neighbor and feed him some of that stuff too. :) |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by arteacher on 06/16/11 at 04:38:19 We had a lab cross that bit my son when he was a toddler. My wife took the boy to the hospital and I took the dog to the vet to be put down. The dog was insanely protective of my wife to the point that it would growl at me when I got into bed with her. It also peed on my pillow and speakers. My son has scars from the puncture wounds on his cheeks and lip. We also had a lab pittbull cross that was afraid of her own shadow, but probably would have defended my wife if she was ever threatened. We have had two purebred labs, both very gentle. One saved my sons life about a year after he was bitten by the bad dog. The one we have now is a 7 year old rescue dog that has medical problems that her previous owner who also had a disabled child was unable to deal with. She is extremely patient with my grandkids. I trust her with them completely. I do keep them away from her when she is not feeling well, which is easy as she extricates herself from their company on her own. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 06/16/11 at 05:22:23 Folks - Perhaps I failed to articulate my thoughts very well. Yes, how is dog is raised, trained and kept has a whole lot to do with its behavior in all respects. But, genetics are still there and cannot be erased. There is a chance, and the odds vary due to a lot of conditions, that ANY dog can go ballistic without prior warning. That's all I was trying to point out. Dogs are animals, descendant from wolves, a natural predator. Those old genes are in every dog, and always will be. So, sure, love your dog, as I do. But always be aware that given the right combination of circumstances, any dog can attack anyone. Thankfully, those odds are miniscule for most breeds. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by babyhog on 06/16/11 at 05:28:03 This whole thread is exactly why laws regarding dogs is so difficult. There are strong opinions both ways. And rightly so! Kim, I hate to disagree with you, but my cousin's german shepherds had been raised with loving care also. They got them as very young pups. They were very well-behaved for years! They were NOT taught to be agressive in any way. They never dreamed such a thing would happen. So why did one attack my little cousin to the point of facial scarring which required extensive surgery? I don't know the answer. They don't have an answer either. Cousin was right there with the kid, no provocation, and it happened in an instant! I just believe that there is always that animal instinct in any breed (repeat, any breed) of dog. Granted, I also believe that owners should be responsible, and in most cases, incidents can be avoided. And this was an exception to normal. But I will never forget the underlying possibilities. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 06/16/11 at 05:35:32 BH - My point exactly. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/11 at 05:39:03 I still wont allow my grandson unsupervised with our little dogs, & by Supervised, I mean that if He can touch one of them, there is an adult Right There,, monitoring how he touches the animal & ready to stick a hand in to control the situation & hes been here with us no for 20 months,but as much as the dogs are loved & as much as I wish I could just trust there to be no problems, they ARE animals & they do have Teeth,, & he is a toddler, not understanding that ears arent to be pulled & eyeballs arent marbles,, Im pretty sure this kid didnt hurt either of these dogs.. Pit Bulls Chew off Baby's Testicles Police say the 6-month-old boy was strapped in a baby carrier and left alone with the animals. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by kimchris1 on 06/16/11 at 06:58:23 Piglet, Jerry, I did say any dog has the potential to be dangerous. I agree with that. Even trained dogs can and have turned on their owners. Their usually are some kind of warning signs and perhaps the dogs owners missed them. I can't say for sure as wasn't there. Piglet, it is ok you disagree with me. We all have our opinions on different subjects. Yet at the end of the day, we take our helmets off and hug one another, whether we agree or disagree..;) kim |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by topgunz1 on 06/16/11 at 09:31:11 The problem with Pitbulls is the breed itself. They are loyal and dedicated to a fault, they will do anything to please their master. If violent behavior and aggression is what does the trick, that is what they will do. They are also very strong willed dogs and it takes consistency and dedication to get a response from them, and left to their own devices they WILL establish their own dominance hierarchy and you won't be a part of it. Just because your the human and he is the dog, does not mean that he will feel that you are the boss. He just sees you as another animal in the pack and unless you are in control, he will be. Owning any animal is a great responsibility, owning a large animal is even more and sadly, many who do are not up to the task. Thankfully a lot of places who enacted breed specific legislation are realizing the fallacy in it and are replacing it with behavior oriented laws. Instead of instantly saying an entire breed is bad, they are punishing the owners of dogs that actually exhibit dangerous behavior and correcting it. Cleveland recently repealed their pit bull ban, great step in the right direction! |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/16/11 at 09:44:26 How do you think they should punish the owner of the dogs on the first post of this. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Jimmer on 06/16/11 at 14:18:25 I have a 3year old spade female pit. She is well behaved and just love any attention you give her,heck she even likes the UPS man. We do not leave her alone with children,but she really responses to kids. I feel that the majority of people only hear the bad side of the pit stories. These dog are use as rescue animals, handicap assistance dogs and search dogs. Owner need to understand the nature of their animals and work with them on training them appropriately. I love our dog unconditionally,but with that love goes respect to the breed. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/16/11 at 15:01:40 Jimmer go back to the first post he loved pit bulls he even had 2 of them. Why would anyone want a dog that would scare other people.He loved his pits(till death do us part) |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Serowbot on 06/16/11 at 15:22:47 Half the people that have dogs want them to scare people... Pits are very popular with them... so are Rots, Dobeys, Chows, German Sheps, Great Danes, etc... One of his dogs was found chained in the yard... That tells a lot... I'll bet the other was usually, too... Any chained animal will go crazy and be aggressive eventually... Keeping a dog on a chain is illegal here,... don't know about where he lived... They don't like to be chained any more than we do... |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/16/11 at 15:30:46 My Ex girl friend liked being chained up [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif] |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Serowbot on 06/16/11 at 15:32:53 She's your ex, Bill... BTW,... did she bite?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/16/11 at 15:34:22 No she took out her false teeth. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Jimmer on 06/16/11 at 15:39:55 Bill If you own a dog just to scare people, then maybe you as the owner should be destroyed. Just being a smart a$$. No one should ever have an animal for that purpose. I have all ready been ask what type of dog Gracie was and I say an American Terrier. Not a lie just don't finish the final two words Pit Bull. People seem to react completely different, if their not give a verbal command to fear. These people fear the word pit bull. Look at my photo and does that look like the dog you associate with the attacks. True pit should not have cropped ears and stub tails. These traits are man made. I do agree with you that interbreeding has cause many social and behavioral problems. There are still some pure breed pits available, but like any quality thing, you must do your homework and check all avenues before you buy. I will say that if my animal show any signs of unexceptional behavior I will do what is necessary. Like wise if there is a reason for a provoked defense from Gracie I will control her. We have established our alpha order, and I think she understands who leads our pack,may be better than kids (just kidding). |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by CalisOsin on 06/16/11 at 16:15:49 I know everyone has right to their own opinions but some stuff said in this topic was just plain stupid. Openly discussing killing your neighbors pet? That's sickening. I agree that the situation sucks, but what does it say about you that the best idea you can think of is to just kill the dog? Some people saying the entire breed should go extinct... Who are you to play god? I agree a little bit with people on both sides of this argument, that certain dogs have certain charateristics and that those of the pitbull CAN make it a dangerous pet. But, the training / environment of the dog will affect its tempermant more than it's breeding. The bottom line is that being a pet owner should be a a priveledge, not a right and those that are not responsible enough to handle that, shoudn't be able to own an animal. Because at the end of the day, they are still animals and you cannot predict with 100% certainty what they will do. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Serowbot on 06/16/11 at 16:40:03 +1... although we did play god in creating them, but we did the same with all breeds of dog... and we have been doing it since the cavemen... They had dogs... So,.. they are as domesticated as we are. We're still animals too... We just wear clothes... ('cept fer' Bill)... That's how he scares the neighbors dog... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Jimmer on 06/16/11 at 16:54:31 Amen on the 100% certainty, assuming that also goes for us humans too. Who knows why we do what we do at any give time! Now the thought of a naked Bill, could provoke a class action suit. Just fun"in with you Bill. Blame it on Serobot, brings out the best in all of us. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/16/11 at 17:45:30 1A3835302A162A3037590 wrote:
I want shoot that dog for your sake,I'll just let that dog have his way with me.I'll just go the rest of my life with a mangled arm and leg.couple of fingers missing,After all the dog is just protecting his owner. :o :o ::) |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/11 at 17:55:14 Attaboy Bill,, protect YOURSELF,, thats a DOG,, blasted thing can rot in hayull.. Did you know that you can KILL a man, if you BELIEVE in your heart he is about to hurt you real bad? Why? You have a God Given Right to protect yourself,, more than that, you have a God Given OBLIGATION to provide for & defend your family, which you cant do if youre seriously wounded or dead. Dont you find it odd how many who would force you to wear a seat belt, so you dont get unnecessarily injured & Cost Society $$$ because of your negligence, would Ask You to live with a threat to your life & or health like a blasted DOG??? Kina goofy aint it? |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by kimchris1 on 06/16/11 at 20:23:42 Bill, I don't want you harmed. I would hate to hear of you being hurt. Are you on good enough terms with the neighbors that you can talk to them about going 1/2 on a fence? Their going to benefit from it just as much as you will. Maybe if it is unchained it would at have a better temperment. Chaining a dog up is IMO, abuse. No one should be chained. Well with the exception of some in prison that is.. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/16/11 at 20:33:39 No not good terms,They haven't looked my way since they moved in 3 years ago,I think their early 30's I'm just and old man to them.They always had their dog chained,They just had to shorten it.Its a law here a dog can't be loose.Its their dog they have it chained,So if I put up a fence it would still be chained. They would have to put up a fence around their yard,But their renters so they want. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by kimchris1 on 06/16/11 at 21:09:42 How about the Landlord? Any chance you can talk with them? Then again they may only be interested in getting the rent money, not putting any money out. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Sunchasers on 06/16/11 at 21:49:57 I guess this is why we have two cats instead of dogs. :) And yes, we keep our cats on leashes when outside. They were raised that way as kittens and don't know any different. We do this for their safety as well as respect for our neighbors who may or may not have cats/dogs. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Serowbot on 06/16/11 at 22:38:23 Bill,... I really am sorry about your situation... I had to move 3 years ago because of nasty neighbors... very nasty... It cost me my life savings... but, it was either that, or a heart-attack or prison sentence... Keep your head,... and your humor... clear your mind to see all of your options. Peace... |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/11 at 00:05:56 Daang, Rowboat,, thats a horrible tale, Bill,, those people cant move where the chain is secured to give that poor dog more room to run & you some room to work with? & you know somethin? There Is another option. Its alld a Kennel, a malle fenced in enclosure, they dont Have to fence he whole yard, just a piece of it. Id say it needs a top on it,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y3zTmqABwc |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/17/11 at 03:59:37 My EX GF had a 20x20 8 ft high chain incloser for her sons Rott.Her son is now 37 years old and still lives at home,One of the reasons I'm not there anymore. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by bill67 on 06/17/11 at 16:44:07 2432253820353823570 wrote:
Serowbot I see you prefer slow death over fast death. |
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Title: Re: Pit bull kills Virginia man Post by Serowbot on 06/17/11 at 16:57:32 No,.. a fast, merciful one... but for the dog, not me... ;)... |
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