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Title: Who said this? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/11 at 14:04:50 & do you agree? Disagree? As the economy continues in its downward spiral and talks in Congress about reducing spending have only amounted to political theater, the subject of how the tax code treats energy has become a topic of controversy. Specifically, should we subsidize, enforce mandates, or give tax credits and deductions to industries like ethanol and natural gas? Having a thriving energy market domestically is a good thing and something the government should not hinder. Not only would decreasing our dependence on foreign oil simplify our foreign policy, but it would greatly enhance our anemic economy at home. Of course, the government should neither inhibit nor subsidize any particular type of energy. While many people agree with that statement, there is much confusion over the difference between government subsidies and tax credits or deductions. The difference is night and day, yet so many times they are all lumped together as evil government handouts. A subsidy IS a government handout. It amounts to the government taking money from the people and giving it to a favored interest. It is the worst sort of market manipulation and it is something I can never support. This kind of government mischief is anathema to the Constitution and the principles of freedom and the free market. By contrast, with tax credits and deductions, industries, business, and individuals simply get to keep more of the money they have earned. Ideally, the tax code should not be used for social engineering, but, until we have true tax reform, I will always support tax credits and deductions that keep more dollars in the private sector where they are spent, saved, or invested. This means I will support tax credits and deductions for energy producers, farmers, homeschoolers, family child care expenditures, expenses of evacuees from disaster areas, and even adoption expenses. I've almost never met a tax cut, deduction, or credit I didn't like. Any measure that keeps money in the private sector to spend, save or invest, rather than allowing the government to waste or misallocate is a win for the economy. Inequities in the tax code dealing with tax credits should be solved by giving all participants equal treatment. Removing I oppose ethanol mandates because I do not think anyone should be forced to use or buy ethanol. Ethanol mandates often serve as corporate welfare for big agriculture ethanol producers. The marketplace should decide whether or not to use ethanol, and producers of ethanol have to discover if they can produce it at a price that makes good business sense. No industry should be allowed to use legislation to create a "market" for its products. The real reason ethanol mandates continue to surface in federal legislation is that agribusiness continues to have one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. Furthermore, while I do not support providing federal grants to any industry, I do support the tax credits contained in the NAT Gas Act, HR 1380. These credits reduce taxes for the production or purchase of vehicles that run on American-made natural gas. These credits are not subsidies. Of course, we should repeal federal barriers to energy production and reduce taxes on all forms of energy. Therefore, I have also introduced the Affordable Gas Price Act HR 1102 which would remove governmental barriers to offshore drilling, encourage private investment in new refineries and suspend taxes on gasoline when the price at the pump reaches a certain threshold. Lowering taxes to encourage the domestic production of energy and getting government out of the way of the American energy market is not a government giveaway; it is the way it should be in a free country. |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by Boofer on 06/27/11 at 14:38:46 T Boone said it? I agree with as much of it as I can understand. When any of the people fooling with energy or govt say something, I find out they mean something else. I am a conservative who believes in capitalism. |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by Serowbot on 06/27/11 at 14:47:14 Was it Lady Gaga?... :-?... http://www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com/images/lady_gaga_2010.jpg |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by Boofer on 06/27/11 at 14:57:30 Serowbot, For once in my life, I actually think about a post before I say it. I get all cerebral and think I'm reaching the masses, sitting here with Dr Pepper all over the keyboard and up my 'dose. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by bill67 on 06/27/11 at 15:16:35 Looks like the Lady is saving energy by not standing up,That OK with me. |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/11 at 17:17:21 I oppose ethanol mandates because I do not think anyone should be forced to use or buy ethanol. Ethanol mandates often serve as corporate welfare for big agriculture ethanol producers. The marketplace should decide whether or not to use ethanol, and producers of ethanol have to discover if they can produce it at a price that makes good business sense. No industry should be allowed to use legislation to create a "market" for its products. The real reason ethanol mandates continue to surface in federal legislation is that agribusiness continues to have one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. Thiiiink about it,, |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by photojoe on 06/27/11 at 18:54:52 42494C4C1617200 wrote:
She's not standing up because she's afraid she'll fall off her choes 8-) |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/11 at 18:59:43 Guys, seriously??? This isnt a soft porn thread,, this is about political/economic philosophy. Think about whats being said here & who do you think might have said it.. Does any understand how important the idea here are? How rare they are? |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by photojoe on 06/27/11 at 19:03:18 I agree that ethanol sucks, and being forced to put 10% of what I buy in "gas" into my tank makes my skin crawl. |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by Serowbot on 06/27/11 at 19:06:48 Serious sits at the Tall Table... People don't like Serious down here... |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/11 at 19:11:02 Tall table is too scattered, too many different things,, no way to keep a thread on A topic up there.. |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/11 at 20:49:17 Its Ron Paul,, the ONLY Politician I know of who say things like this & VOTES accordingly. |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by Paladin. on 06/27/11 at 20:59:02 Most of us don't care. Some of us know it doesn't matter. If you care, try a Forum where people care: http://www.globalaffairs.org Dang! I checked them, they are still there, same people when I left in Aug.'03! |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/27/11 at 21:07:47 Youre probably right, Paladin.. our economy is dead, the knives have killed it, the hearts still pumping, but thers no way to keep it alive the way things are being done, & if Anyone ever grabbed the reins & really went to change the direction we re headed, theyd get killed.. |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by Z on 06/28/11 at 03:33:53 OK Just my simple 2 cents. I vote. I try to make informed voting decisions. In reality, what does it matter? Politicians are the same animal-they just have different names. They are going to vote where the money is. Even if you found someone with ethics and a desire to do right and they voted their conscience, they are going to be overruled by the majority. |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by thumperclone on 06/28/11 at 05:43:27 bumper sticker "republicans,democrats same sh-t different piles" |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/28/11 at 06:49:25 I still say that the only politician ho represents ME is Ron Paul. Ive listened to or read a number of his speeches & Ive seen his voting record. What he says & his voting record agree. If he was President, we MIGHT have a chance at straightening out th mess we are in,, but I figure he would most likely be killed if he did the right thing. The $$$ powers, the military/industrial complex, etc,, have agenda driven behaviors & they will kill anyone who gets in the way. Ask JFK.. He was in the process of going around the federal reserve,, |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by tldk1678 on 06/28/11 at 14:29:46 When asked about Ethanol, Herman Cain quoted this chinese proverb "he who burns his food, soon starves." |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by bill67 on 06/28/11 at 14:35:18 Chinese proverb- Women who ride in airplane upside down have big crackup. ;D |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by Z on 06/28/11 at 15:01:14 We would all like to vote for the best man but he is never a candidate. ;) Quote by Frank McKinney Hubbard Politicians are wonderful people as long as they stay away from things they don't understand, such as working for a living. P J ORourke quotes ;) |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/28/11 at 16:06:11 451F0 wrote:
& R. Paul ha beena doctor & is much revered in his district, because he IS real,, |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by LostArtist on 06/28/11 at 17:18:57 697568706D786F7E717273781D0 wrote:
+1 |
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Title: Re: Who said this? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/28/11 at 17:34:41 0D2E3235003335283235410 wrote:
+1[/quote] For the most part I agree,, |
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