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Title: rough day for conservatives... Post by WebsterMark on 06/28/12 at 10:39:39 Fair is fair, it's a rough day for me. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Serowbot on 06/28/12 at 10:58:19 Worse,... you were gobsmacked... Might be a good day for a double scotch with lunch... Cheers... ;)... |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by WebsterMark on 06/28/12 at 11:00:10 for once, i tend to agree with your point of view Sew... |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Boule’tard on 06/28/12 at 11:08:40 Aw don't feel so bad, is it much different from Medicare? Just another incremental step. Here is a positive spin on it. I was listening to the Neal Boortz show the other day and a caller brought up an angle I had not heard before. He said something like: "I'm a small business owner. I think Obamacare is going to help me, and thus stimulate the overall economy by freeing up small business owners from having to set up health care plans for our employees. Now instead of having all that expense, we'll just tell them to take the public option." Boortz did not have a retort for that one, he just said "interesting" and moved on. He should have said "Well ultimately, you and your employees WILL pay for it, one way or the other. The question is, do you want a percentage skimmed off and sent to government administrators, or do you want all of your allocated health care money going to that purpose?" Hilarious how everyone thinks they will come out ahead on this deal. Not mathematically possible. "The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else." -Frederic Bastiat |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/28/12 at 11:33:17 rough day for conservatives...??? Nope, its a rough day for All Americans, only there are some who just dont see it yet,Theyre celebrating something as a "Win" thats gonna hurt them in the long run, & hurt us all. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Doug on 06/28/12 at 13:57:41 I think I need a beer... or two... or ten. When I sober up maybe, just maybe I'll realize I was imagining things. :'( |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Doug on 06/28/12 at 14:03:26 With the passing of this bill the executive branch now has way too much control. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Arizuno on 06/28/12 at 15:51:17 323561206726540 wrote:
With Citizens United, people you'll never know, see or vote for have FAR too much control. YOYO "healthcare" in a nation ruled by Monsanto, et. al., can't be a good thing. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Doug on 06/28/12 at 15:53:34 1122392A253E3F500 wrote:
Hmm... Well said. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/28/12 at 17:08:49 Its such a huge game, Im so sorry I cant do the Spock mind meld with you guys & let you see what it all looks like..but, in short, the eugenicists have taken control from behind the scenes. DC is NOT at all responsive to the will of the people.,IF this were a REpresentative form of government, the bill would never have passed, because the pol;ls ALL showed more than 60% against this bill,, |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Serowbot on 06/28/12 at 18:03:19 JOG,.. you just listen to way too much Alex Jones... Socks are a conspiracy to him ... :-?... |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/28/12 at 18:10:59 No, dude, Ive looked into things without anyone holding my hand. I saw things didnt add up when I was a whopping 12 years old. It has taken me this long to dig up the loose ends that start to make the things I see make sense, & the reasons behind the things arent at all beneficial to you & me, Theres no justifying Nafta., Theres no way to just say Ohhh, well,, it was a mistake, & Gatt, too, & so many of our policies that cause you & me Pain, but, they just dont make sense any other way, well, not for most folks,. but they werent mistakes,, they are part of a long term goal. The goal is twisted & convoluted & not at all nice, & the global elite have a code of ethics & they, like Indians counting coup, tell us what they plan to do, & they believe that Since we dont rebel, we agree with their plan & if we dont see it coming, after all the hints & clues are laid out, we deserve what we get. They see us the same way a rancher sees a cow. Just one more income stream,, right up until its no longer profitable, then its a liability, |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by LostArtist on 06/28/12 at 19:19:32 545307460140320 wrote:
um, the legislative branch passes taxes and stuff like this right? |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Arizuno on 06/28/12 at 23:13:31 While most people like the CARE provided by "Obamacare", the the right wing hate-peddling machine has convinced many of them to hate Obama, and thus "Obamacare". My, we're all such loving Christians... Well, that guy from Nazareth wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell here today. Even Nixon thought universal health care was a good idea. Pity people like his pal Roger Ailes don't. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by WebsterMark on 06/29/12 at 05:14:22 While most people like the CARE provided by "Obamacare", the the right wing hate-peddling machine has convinced many of them to hate Obama, and thus "Obamacare". My, we're all such loving Christians... Well, that guy from Nazareth wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell here today. Even Nixon thought universal health care was a good idea. Pity people like his pal Roger Ailes don't. You’re right about that Ari….. that guy from Nazareth can’t hang with anyone… it’s not like he could go to Hopey-change’s side and keep his mouth shut while you pull babies most of the way out, poke a hole in their head and suck their brains out or kill baby girls because selfish parents wanted a designer baby boy instead. That might be a tough pill for him to swallow... Guess he’d have to strike out on his own like he did couple thousand years ago… |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Drifter on 06/29/12 at 05:31:31 Mark, this is good i can tell you are a Mitt fan, cover both sides. ::) I think any day that Americans can get health care is good. :) PEACE. The higest court has ruled....move on. Go to bed tonight with the thought that alot of sick little boys and girls will be taken care of!! :) |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by WebsterMark on 06/29/12 at 05:59:56 Go to bed tonight with the thought that alot of sick little boys and girls will be taken care of!! the ones planned parenthood don't kill.... PEACE. The higest court has ruled....move on. i'm very much at peach, but there will be no moving on. I am not if favor of the US decending into Europe. No thanks.... I'm a Mitt fan by default. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/12 at 06:21:44 Im no Mitt fan, Im no Bammy fan, we have no one who is going to change any policy that has brought us to where we are. Onwards! Toward the cliff. As the police state emerges & the dollar heads toward the lower portion of the toilet bowl. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by WebsterMark on 06/29/12 at 07:14:22 Let’s keep some perspective. There are about 10 million things more important in my life today than Mitt Romney, Obamacare, republicans, democrats etc.... The slide into European style poverty and decadence is a slow one and we have plenty of opportunity to at least slow this ship a little bit and enjoy what we have with this country, at least for a while longer. However, it’s a fact that nothing last forever and the US will go the way of every other culture at some point which is to say we'll change and be mostly unrecognizable to what we are today and this law speeds up the inevitable. The unfortunate part is that we’re doing it to ourselves. I was watching Hopey-change’s statement yesterday and it reminded me of some people we know. They gave their kids what they wanted when they were young and let them get by with murder. As they got into high school, they couldn’t say no to teenage drinking so they let them drink with their friends in the house because they were more interested in being cool than being parents. Couldn’t see that someone has to be the adult and look at the big picture. Today, one kid’s in rehab, another on the street, slight hope for the 3rd, but it’s an uphill battle cause high school was just a big party for her. Now what are they supposed to do that the bill’s coming due? Life without mommy and daddy acting like a slightly older child is tough. Obama is promising all this stuff and some of you guys are sucking it up like gravy. Free healthcare, low prescriptions, don’t have to worry about anything again….. The huge cost of obamacare will have to be paid somehow. The liberals have this goofy notion that this law will be funded by insurance company’s excessive profits and that will pay for everything. By the time their stupidity is on full display, we’ll have lower healthcare quality, less services and less technology. The “evil rich” will not suffer because they’ll have their ‘black market’ avenues to get services without waiting, just like they do in Europe today. I think Obamacare will ultimately be paid for by virtually eliminating our military. I know there are a multitude of fools out there that can’t wait for us to ‘keep our nose out of everyone’s business’ but they’ll howl and cry when that power vacuum is filled by another nation. And it will be filled, have no doubt. China? Seems the most logical choice but who knows. And when that happens, the good ‘ole USA won’t be able to respond. Then what??? But it's Friday and i'm done for the week. going to shelve all this for 3 days and enjoy the beautiful world we have. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Drifter on 06/29/12 at 13:55:54 Mark, if the republicans were not so dead...set against birth controll there would be far fewer abortions, think about it. BTW i think late term abortion is murder! I would much rather pay for a 10 dollar shot that prevents a baby for 6 months rather than killing them 7 months later!! Birth controll prevents abortions! Limblow says any women taking birth control is a slutword....BS does your wife girlfriend mother take it are they all whores...i dont think so, sex is gonna happen human nature, which is better birth controll or abortion. its an easy answer for any rational person. Any day kids and other Americans can sleep better knowing an ins company can no longer decide if you live or die is good. :) |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/12 at 14:38:36 03352E21332235470 wrote:
Like they arent gonna decide who gets treatment & who doesnt... dream ON, |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Serowbot on 06/29/12 at 14:53:56 4A787F6E69786F507C6F761D0 wrote:
Partial birth abortions, (banned since 03')... were very, very rare... Estimated at 0.17%... less than 2 per 1,000... Only used in extreme circumstances, usually involving the life of the mother, or occasionally due to some extreme deformity of the fetus/child... Children can be born with their spines outside of their bodies, or with water brains, or any number of horrors... Jesus thanks you for forcing them into this world... If you believe they feel pain... and even I do at 27 weeks,... believe this... You aren't giving them a "gift" of life... Jesus,.. I truly believe, would have mercy... His father on the other hand, allowed their creation... For that,.. I'm very disappointed... :-?... |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by heroicseven on 06/29/12 at 15:36:25 Health care shmealthcare. Lets get these dillholes in washington to balance the budget. It would be a shame for everyone to get healthcare only to have the contry fall into bankruptcy. This bill seems to rely on taxes to generate revenue. Not a good look when everyones pockets turn to dust. Just my thought on the whole thing. Seems like a big distraction to me. Keeps people from poking their noses into the real problems. also, socks are a conspiracy. I just havent figured out the endgame. :P |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Serowbot on 06/29/12 at 15:39:19 7D70677A7C76667063707B150 wrote:
Must be diabolical!... ;D... |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/12 at 15:48:12 Strange how its so uncool to believe there could be a conspiracy.. with all the conspiracies that have been seen in the world, I WONDER where the social pressure came from to deride those who believe there is a conspiracy came from? |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Serowbot on 06/29/12 at 17:04:56 There have been, are, and always will be conspiracies.... ... but, everything isn't a conspiracy... and everyone isn't a conspirator... Some folks are just plain rotten or stupid without help from anybody... and in cahoots with no one... no conspiracy... just people focused on self promotion, greed, and power... I can't think of a single issue in which you and Alex Jones don't see conspiracy... Rep's are dupe's to their agenda,.. Dem's are dupe's to theirs,.. and you are duped by conspiracy plots everywhere... No difference... you're no more right, or wrong, than any one else... just off to the side of most issues... ... but in arguing the merits or flaws of and idea... conspiracy plots lack substance... In the healthcare thread earlier, I pointed out the lack of logic... Obamacare is a plot,.. drug companies and HMO's are in on it... they spent $250 million to fight it, but that's a subterfuge... They are lying, their ads are lies,.. but, you believe the lies they say, because Obamacare is a plot, and the lies spell out the plot... that drug companies and HMO's are in on... This is circular logic... at some point it should become apparent that this cannot be entirely so... :-?... |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Arizuno on 06/29/12 at 18:29:53 Oh, and by the way, the individual mandate was proposed 20 years ago by the Heritage Foundation, that well-known commie hippy pinko leftist think tank. Yes, the same Heritage Foudation before which Mitch McConnell said the GOP's #1 prioty was to bring down Pres. Obama. #1, indeed, and so what if there's profound collateral damage to the U.S.? Now THAT is a conspiracy. And THAT is why the tea brewers are so unhappy with Roberts. After all, anybody who thinks corporations are people oughta be a slam dunk on healthcare, right? |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Boule’tard on 06/29/12 at 19:03:06 Maybe a good excercise would be to look over a conspiracy that is so dumb and ill-supported that Justin cannot possibly believe it.. maybe the one about how NASA faked the moon landings.. and pick the conspiracy apart.. then note the kind of skepticism that is.. look at how those dots do NOT connect.. then apply that same skepticism to other conspiracies. Look at how similar sleights of hand are used in more "mainstream" ::) conspiracy theories. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by LostArtist on 06/29/12 at 19:06:38 4D5254534E4978487840525E15270 wrote:
off topic, but that in of itself is where Limbaugh fails, listening comprehension, it wasn't $3,000 a month, or $3,000 a year, it was $3,000 over the entire time in law school. and yes, that is still on the high side, but she was a lawyer activist making a dramatic point to emphasize her point, even though that stretch cost her some lambasting by Limbaugh's ilk |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Serowbot on 06/29/12 at 19:48:05 5558425B5243564553370 wrote:
I think JOG believes the landings to be fake... |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/12 at 20:10:46 We went to the moon,, |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Starlifter on 07/03/12 at 05:14:35 "I think Obamacare will ultimately be paid for by virtually eliminating our military. I know there are a multitude of fools out there that can’t wait for us to ‘keep our nose out of everyone’s business’ but they’ll howl and cry when that power vacuum is filled by another nation. And it will be filled, have no doubt. China? Seems the most logical choice but who knows. And when that happens, the good ‘ole USA won’t be able to respond. Then what???" Typical dumb-ass rhetoric from the kool-ade brigade. Billions of dollars (we don't have) to maim, kill, and hurt. But not one dime to heal. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by WebsterMark on 07/03/12 at 08:16:36 Billions of dollars (we don't have) to maim, kill, and hurt. But not one dime to heal. oh geez.... what's next? a group hug? Sit around in a circle and talk about our feelings? Maybe an acoustic guitar folk song solo? You're that wimpy dude Bluto takes the guitar from in Animal House and smashes it to pieces... |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/12 at 09:12:32 Web, I dont agree with Star . I dont like this bill at all & I dont believe its constitutional in any way, BUT,, The point he is making is we spend so much to spread death & destruction ( all in the name of spreaddin d'mokrusee, ya see) but havent the desire to spend on healing. I can see that,, I dont agree with how its being done, I dont believe this is gonna help America. I believe this will be one more nail in the coffin for us fiscally AND I expect the Tax to increase And I expect to see Government tell us we MUst do certain things in order to keep our insurance, like take vaccines,, & Ill be tellin them to shove it. Ohh, I said all that to say this,, Theres a certain amount of smugness & condescension that is expected in here,, but if thats all there is in a reply, no counterpoint, its kinda nasty even for in here.,.Ive probably done it, Ill likely do it again, but I dont like seeing it & I dont want to see this place turn into a place where its just insults, we Are unsupervised, but strictly p[ersonal attacks arent cool. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by WebsterMark on 07/03/12 at 11:13:29 BUT,, The point he is making is we spend so much to spread death & destruction JOG; nope; his panties were in a bunch and he was just looking for a way to call me a name, that’s all. unsupervised, but strictly p[ersonal attacks arent cool. I was responding to a couple of shots at myself. I made a valid point about how o-care is going to be paid for, but he could find an article to cut and paste from to call his own so he resorted to a liberal's fall back position. It's not new. Sorry, but Star is the poster-boy for the feminization of this nation and while I unfortunately think they’ll win in the end, (this great nation won’t last forever) that doesn’t mean I’m going down without a fight. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/12 at 15:52:10 Even if you win the fight with "the Left" we are goin down. The system is filled with people who are bringing it down. Just go back & look at the groups who are represented in every presidents cabinet since Kennedy.,Doesnt matter if its a D or an R in office, the only agenda that gets forwarded is that of the globalists, |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Serowbot on 07/03/12 at 17:16:34 Wouldn't the opposite of globalism be communism?... As in,.. closing all borders and restricting commerce to the point of shutting out the rest of the world?... I think the USSR tried that,.. and it didn't work... The world is a small place,.. and it gets smaller every day... :-?... |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/03/12 at 19:26:10 Like I said Row, a few weeks, a few hours a day & Bingo,, youd be seein whats happening. ho financed Lenin and Trotsky? - The Wild Boar Network ... As we shall see in the following section, the Bolshevik revolution actually was financed by wealthy financiers in London and New York. Lenin and Trotsky were on the ... www.wildboar.net/.../whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html - Cached The Vatic Project: Who financed Lenin and Trotsky? As we shall see in the following section, the Bolshevik revolution actually was financed by wealthy financiers in London and New York. Lenin and Trotsky were ... vaticproject.blogspot.com/2012/01/who-financed-lenin-and... - Cached mhp: Lenin, Trotsky and the Bolshevik Revolution Leon Trotsky Returns from New York; Nikolai Lenin Returns From London ... 20 million in Jacob Schiff gold to help finance the ... to the Knickerbocker Column in the New York Journal ... modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=FinalWarning&C=7.3 - Cached Vladimir Lenin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Early Life | Revolutionary... | The February... | The April Theses Financed by his mother, he returned to Switzerland to stay in a ... Lenin was enthusiastic about new mass communication technology like the radio and the ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin - Cached More results from en.wikipedia.org » Lenin - WHALE As we shall see, the Knights financed Lenin and Hitler from Wall Street, also using ... headquarters for the Knights was and is St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York. www.whale.to/b/lenin.html - Cached |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Trippah on 07/03/12 at 20:09:03 I dont think that Husein Health will bring the US down, it is simply a marking point on the downward curve we have been on since heaven knows - WWI? The sad fact is if you make transportation cheap enough, countries with cheap labor and lax or non existent environmental laws will slowly get mot of the jobs. Who owns those companies and takes the profits are the small group of very wealthy. They are not nationalist - they are capitalists..and since money is thought of as power, they will continue to hoard it and use it when desireable. The hard thing to do is not get too greedy, and we are reaching that point. Maybee we'll get another plague and set the clocks back to the 1300's. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Starlifter on 07/12/12 at 11:12:49 Webster you contribute nothing to these discussions but snark and name calling...it's childish and irritating to the rest of us. Isn't it time you grow up and join the adults here? |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Savage_Rob on 07/12/12 at 12:03:36 4452455840555843370 wrote:
I think that usually typifies isolationism. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by WebsterMark on 07/12/12 at 17:00:42 Webster you contribute nothing to these discussions but snark and name calling...it's childish and irritating to the rest of us. Isn't it time you grow up and join the adults here? Star; here's my reply: shut up you commie rat cry baby..... How's that? |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/12 at 17:53:01 & I post things that explain how the global elite $$$ power created the "communist threat" & no one even bothers to study it,, Stay with what youve been taught,, its deadly. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by WebsterMark on 07/12/12 at 20:21:22 That’s because it's Baloney Sandwich. There is no global conspiracy lurking around every corner. There is no puzzle to put together. It’s not a super secret I need some wise man who made a video on YouTube to explain to me. There are men tainted with the infection of greed and those who thirst for power. Sometimes they act in conjunction with one another when it suits their needs and at other times, they act alone. Or, several take the same course independently of one another. They have always been around and they will always be around. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/12 at 20:39:59 You couldnt be more wrong, Youve spent much time avoiding the evidence, Ive spent much time studying it, I believe Ive presented sufficient evidence to show anyone with an ounce of curiosity theres something going on that isnt explained by the normal line of crap we get from news sources. You can believe theres no coordinated move to destroy America & control the world by a global elite, but that wont stop you from being victimized by it. Its happening as we speak., its been going on for at least 100 years, History, as it is taught, will not let you connect the dots.,,it requires HUNTING for it,, &, since youre convinced its not there, as most are, youre not gonna find it, What boggles My mind is your complete lack of willingness to expose yourself to information that would challenge your belief. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by WebsterMark on 07/13/12 at 06:03:37 What boggles My mind is your complete lack of willingness to expose yourself to information that would challenge your belief. Who says I haven’t exposed myself to some of your information?... Just because I don’t drop everything and say Jog’s right, there a secret cabal likes something straight out of the Vinci Code movie that meets and decides every major event in the world? How can I take you seriously after going over your 9/11 conspiracy views? The stuff you put up as evidence is downright silly and easily debunked time and time again. Why would I invest 30 minutes listening to a YouTube video about other topics? Talk about complete lack of willingness to expose yourself to information that would challenge your belief. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/12 at 06:47:17 you say youve looked at the info Ive POsted,, I didnt say the things they say, they did, & how can anyone listen to what Izerbyt says about the education system & not believe it? She has the history in DC & then we look at whats happened in the schools, what she says explains observed reality,, I can think of no other plausible answer for the condition of the schools. There is plenty of evidence to show 9/11 was not explainable simply by airplanes did it. Lots of good people have put their careers on the line to say so, the official report doesnt explain building 7, at all, That there are people arguing against that position doesn't "debunk" the position, until a rational explanation for the collapse is found, asymmetrical damage, symmetrical collapse, doesnt add up. |
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Title: Re: rough day for conservatives... Post by Starlifter on 07/13/12 at 21:17:57 "Star; here's my reply: shut up you commie rat cry baby.....How's that?" ;D ;D ;D Ah JOG, forget about Webster. He sucks at the teat of FOX and Rush. You are spinning your wheels there...might as well talk to a toilet that hasn't been flushed in a while, it would be a more pleasant experience than talking to the web. It's a wonder he's smart enough to remember to breath. ;D I say let Web embrace stupidity. He's good at it. |
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