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Title: Dems say no to God Post by WebsterMark on 09/05/12 at 17:55:01 How is this a news story?... News is suppose to present information that is not known to the viewers and the fact Dems are out of touch with mainstream Americans is not news. Question: in a 2nd term with a full dem congress, would Hopey amend the constitution to say something like ‘we are We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by random evolutionary trial and error alterations that could have just as easily relegated them to millenniums of climbing in trees, but luckily didn’t; with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Finally, maybe some of you hard core liberals can explain this to me: what's with your hatred of Jews and Israel? Honestly, what's the deal? |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Serowbot on 09/05/12 at 18:05:33 That works for me... PS.. I like the Jews,.. and Israel... ...it's the Christians that get on my nerves... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by srinath on 09/05/12 at 19:48:02 What is the 11th comandment. A jewish joke. Thou shalt vote democratic. Though to be honest, I dont think Obama has the same respect for jews as Romney does ... after all he (his advisor) did tell a reporter, "this is a holy site, show some respect, kiss my cheeks" Obama will have just not said that. From Romney's advisor - That just shows so much respect. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by ZAR on 09/05/12 at 20:26:06 594F58455D48455E2A0 wrote:
Sero the problem is not Christians.....it's the organized religions. Specficly those that pay homage to fancy church buildings and fund-raising and forget that Christ spent his time working among the poor and sick. Not tithing,not sitting in padded pews,not praying in front of a crowd....but walking the slums and backroads and kneeling down with those that need help. In laymans terms.....rolling up your sleeves and getting your hands dirty. Those are the true Christians....the ones who are know by their "good works". I hope they are not the ones that "get on your nerves". |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by srinath on 09/05/12 at 20:52:26 Most of hinduism also follows that narrative. The sacred sites of hinduism are ones that were built 100's if not 1000's of years ago and a lot of them have centuries of what we refer to as the divine energy centered to them. Sorta like the wailing wall - the site of the famous "kiss my a$$" from romneys advisor. The shiny new temples and whatever are not for the truly religious. Like they work OK in a pinch, but they need to be round a few 1000 years and then they get "religion". Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Serowbot on 09/05/12 at 21:32:09 564D5E0C0 wrote:
Yes,.. just making a point... All religions have good lessons and moral guidance... it's the manipulators that hurt it... Christians do have more manipulators... Muslims come in second... Jews,.. just don't seem to allow it... Actually,.. many people say they are "spiritual" but not religious... meaning that they have have beliefs in a god, but don't follow religion... I'm the opposite to that... I'm religious, but not spiritual... I believe in the moral teachings of most all religions... but not in a god... I love religious mythology... and think most spiritual writings are beautiful, and commendable... .. but, i don't believe in a god... :-?............ Peace,.. Serow |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by arteacher on 09/06/12 at 06:47:45 I believe in God, but I don't think He's paying attention. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by bill67 on 09/06/12 at 08:40:53 Yes god is paying attention,He's making use pay for bombing Iraq and afhasan |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Serowbot on 09/06/12 at 09:01:14 Did he say,.. halfasstan?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by ZAR on 09/06/12 at 09:19:57 6B7D6A776F7A776C180 wrote:
Yessir! That's right next door to a smaller country called Quaterstan and across the desert from nicklestan! ;D |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Starlifter on 09/06/12 at 21:18:51 Which is not too far from "Dumbf*uckistan" where Webster lives. :D ...yup, *Starlifter is back, but only for a few days then off again. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by srinath on 09/06/12 at 21:51:06 4A5C4B564E5B564D390 wrote:
Yes,.. just making a point... All religions have good lessons and moral guidance... it's the manipulators that hurt it... Christians do have more manipulators... Muslims come in second... Jews,.. just don't seem to allow it... [/quote] Hinduism has had its beacons of manipulators - well, just 2-3 (Rajneesh, hare krishna etc) but really big those have been. However otherwise hinduism is notoriously poor in that regard. I think it is a bit sad, and many branches of hinduism you cannot convert to, so there is no need to find a non believer and get him/her to your side. So we dont have a section of the population that "learns it" ... Most preachers are also something else. Kinda like bikers. Most not all have other jobs. Big temples have a full time staff cos they have all day events. Few and far between, I only know of 4 in the whole country. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by WebsterMark on 09/07/12 at 06:38:46 Which is not too far from "Dumbf*uckistan" where Webster lives I thought that was a bit out of line, but then I saw who wrote it and considered the source..... You can take the boy out of the gutter, but you can't take the gutter out of the boy. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by splash07 on 09/10/12 at 10:56:45 596B6C7D7A6B7C436F7C650E0 wrote:
Funny, we are usually the one telling you that you are out of line. What happened to separation of church and state? God has no place in our government. I don't need religion to tell me what good moral and ethical behavior is. Who ever said liberals hate Isreal and jews, where do you come up with this crazy ass nuts? And BTW that amendmnet sounds pretty good to me too. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/12 at 16:46:42 You guys REALLY need to read the Constitution. Big, BIG difference between the Government telling the [people who or what or when to worship, & the government not acknowledging a Creator. You do know Christianity is, BY Law, acknowledged? & there is a prayer to open Congress? YOu guys have been so completely TOLD what to think by the schools & media you have NO Clue what is real., |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Starlifter on 09/10/12 at 21:06:44 "Big, BIG difference between the Government telling the [people who or what or when to worship, & the government not acknowledging a Creator." "You have NO Clue what is real." What is real is reality. So now then, who created the creator? Lets just go with the "Big Bang Theory. No really. The age of the universe is the time elapsed since the Big Bang. The best current estimate of the age of the universe is 13.75 ± 0.11 billion years (4.339 ± 0.035.... Now In the beginning there was the "Singularity". Everything in the universe, all the matter that formed a hundred trillion trillion galaxies with so many stars the numbers are uncountable, was condensed into one tiny point smaller than the head of a pin...Then "BANG" (the lord said "let there be light?) and there was light, and the universe was born. This should satisfy everyone, scientists, religious types, and anyone and everyone in-between. End of controversy. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Serowbot on 09/10/12 at 23:22:28 JOG,.. can you show me a reference to Christianity in the Constitution?... The majority of signers were not Christian... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/12/12 at 00:51:26 Why would I need to show you a specific reference to Christianity in the C? Can you show me where the C says someone cant pray in a state owned building? WHO is the State? Am I not the state? You? Every kid in the school? We do not exist at the pleasure of the state. The state is OUR creation. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by WebsterMark on 09/12/12 at 05:57:21 The majority of signers were not Christian... Sew is repeating a lie that the left wants desperately to be true, but is not. The signers to the Constitution had a wide range of beliefs but the foundation of those beliefts and understandings place them squarely in the "Christian camp" so to speak. There is no way of getting around that. Tell a lie all you want, but the truth is the truth. Now, argue all you want what the documents mean for citizens today, like Nativity scenes on the front lawn of a courthouse, but don't say they weren't written by Christian men because they were. I found the stuff below, but there is certainly more. •Baldwin, Abraham - Chaplain in the American Revolution (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Bassett, Richard - Participated in writing the Constitution of Delaware, which states: "Every person who shall be chosen a member of either house, or appointed to any office or place of trust... shall... make and subscribe the following declaration, to wit: 'I, ____, do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, an din the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the holy scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration.'" (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Bedford, Gunning - Funeral oration on the death of Washington: "Now to the triune God, The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, be ascribed all honor and dominion, forevermore." (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Blair, John - Member of the Episcopal Church (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Blount, William - Member of the Presbyterian Church. Helped draft the Tennessee Constitution, which said, “No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this State.” (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Brearly, David - A warden of St. Michael's Church, a compiler of the Protestant Episcopal Prayer Book, and a delegate to the Episcopal General Convention in 1786 (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Broom, Jacob - Writing to his son: "[D]on't forget to be a Christian. I have said much to you on this head and I hope an indelible impression is made. " (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Butler, Pierce - Member of the Episcopal Church (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Carroll, Daniel - A Catholic who studied under the Jesuits at the College of St. Omer in Flanders (one of two Roman Catholics to sign the Constitution) (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Clymer, George - Was both a Quaker and an Episcopalian (Signer of Declaration of Independence, Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Dayton, Jonathan - Member of the Episcopal Church (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Dickinson, John - From his will: "To my Creator I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity." (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Few, William - Few was a devout Methodist and was known to donate generously to philanthropic causes. (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Fitzsimons, Thomas - Member of the Roman Catholic Church (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Franklin, Benjamin - Considered much more a Deist than a Christian. He was nonetheless a follower of the Bible, and said: "I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- God Governs in the Affairs of Men, And if a Sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, Is it possible that an empire can rise without His aid?...Except the Lord build the house, They labor in vain who build it." (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Gilman, Nicholas - Gilman was a Congregationalist. (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Gorham, Nathaniel - A Congregationalist who helped write the Massachusett's Constitution, which required this in the oath for office: "...I believe the Christian religion, and have a firm persuasion of its truth." (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Hamilton, Alexander - Proposed formation of the Christian Constitutional Society to spread Christian government around the world. After the Constitutional Convention of 1787, he stated: "For my own part, I sincerely esteem it a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests." - from Diffine, D.P., One Nation Under God - How Close a Separation? (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Ingersoll, Jared - Member of the Presbyterian Church (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Johnson, William Samuel - Speaking as President of Columbia University to the first graduating class after the Revolutionary War: "Remember, too, that you are the redeemed of the Lord, that you are bought with a price, even the inestimable price of the precious blood of the Son of God." (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •King, Rufus - Selected as manager of the American Bible Society. In a speech made before the Senate at the time Missouri was petitioning for statehood, he said: "I hold that all laws or compacts imposing any such condition [as involuntary servitude] upon any human being are absolutely void because contrary to the law of nature, which is the law of God." (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Langdon, John - Vice President of the American Bible Society (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Livingston, William - Said, "I believe the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, without any foreign comments or human explanations... I believe that he who feareth God and worketh righteousness will be accepted of Him..." (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Madison, James - Member of the Episcopal Church. He said, "The belief in a God, all powerful, wise, and good, [is] essential to the moral order of the world, and to the happiness of man." (Signer of Declaration of Independence, Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •McHenry, James - President of the first Bible Society in Baltimore. In soliciting funds for distribution of Bibles, he wrote: "...Consider also, the rich do not possess aught more precious than their Bible, and that the poor cnnot be presented by the rich with anything of greater value." (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Mifflin, Thomas - Known as both a Quaker and a Lutheran (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Morris, Gouverneur - [T]he most important of all lessons [from the Scriptures] is the denunciation of ruin to every State that rejects the precepts of religion (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Morris, Robert - Member of the Episcopal Church (Signer of Declaration of Independence, Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Paterson, William - Supreme Court Justice and a signer of the Constitution, declared that `Religion and morality ... [are] necessary to good government, good order, and good laws'; (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Pinckney, Charles Cotesworth - President of the Charleston Bible Society; Vice President of the American Bible Society (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Read, George - Read was an Episcopalian. (Signer of Declaration of Independence, Signer of Constitution) •Rutledge, John - Member of the Episcopal Church (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Sherman, Roger - (Signer of all 4 of our founding documents). When asked by his church, White Haven Congregational, to help revise the wording of their creed: "I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the same in substance, equal in power and glory. That the Scriptures of the old and new testaments are a revelation from God and a complete rule to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy Him." (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Spaight, Richard Dobbs - Member of the Episcopal Church (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Washington, George - Member of the Episcopal Church. In his prayer at Valley Forge he said, "Almighty and eternal Lord God, the great Creator of heaven and earth, and the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ; look down from heaven in pity and compassion upon me Thy servant, who humbly prorate myself before Thee." (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Wilson, James - Wilson was an Episcopalian and a Presbyterian. Supreme Court Justice. He declared that "Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority of that law which is Divine ... Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants" (Delegate to Constitutional Convention, Signer of Constitution) •Witherspoon, John - Witherspoon was a Presbyterian. He said, "[S]hun, as a contagious pestilence,... those especially whom you perceive to be infected with the principles of infidelity or [who are] enemies to the power of religion" (Signer of Declaration of Independence, Signer of Constitution) |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by bill67 on 09/12/12 at 08:58:41 George Washington said(Thank you god for my 200 slaves) George was a good Christian,The bible says blacks are supposed to be slaves. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Serowbot on 09/12/12 at 10:26:30 506265747362754A66756C070 wrote:
All cut n' pasted from a religious-nut blogsite... There's proof for ya'... http://americaschristianfounding.blogspot.com/2012/01/delegates-to-constitutional-convention.html Aren't you the one always complaining about mindless cut n' paste replies?... At least get a reputable source... not a nut-blogger... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by WebsterMark on 09/12/12 at 14:29:22 I'm sorry, did I miss where you posted a retort to the claims I stated? Is that all you can come up with: a cute little girlie smiley face and a slam against the source of the material. Do you have evidence against the accepted view that the vast, vast majority of the signers to the Constitution were Christian or strongly influenced by Christianity? You repeated a lie that the majority of signers were not Christian. I provided quotes and evidence to the contray. So, either put up something that shows otherwise or stop spreading a lie. Choice is yours. My objection to cut and paste is your liar friend Starlifter who cuts and paste things to make it look like the writing is his original thoughts and words. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Serowbot on 09/12/12 at 15:55:04 That's my manly smileyface... :-?... This is my girly smileyface...(:-?)... |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by WebsterMark on 09/12/12 at 22:48:01 Again, I see you were unable to post anything that retorted my objection to your lying. Fine, you lied, got busted, but ignore truth and reality. Go ahead, post another stupid little face. I'm sorry, but I have zero tolerance for you losers tonight. JOG; this is why elections matter. There are times when circumstances occur that remind us that all this banter back and forth is academic. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by splash07 on 09/13/12 at 06:08:44 665453424554437C50435A310 wrote:
If we are all losers then why are you here everyday posting snide comments and generally stirring up trouble? Mark you ahve got to be the worst name caller I have ever seen, I bet your a narc too. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by WebsterMark on 09/13/12 at 08:56:53 If we are all losers then why are you here everyday posting snide comments and generally stirring up trouble? Mark you ahve got to be the worst name caller I have ever seen, I bet your a narc too. Good question. I think its two things. 1) it's like a train wreck; hard to look away. The ignorant points of view some of you have is astounding. 2) Because I can't believe this group represents a significant % of the population. I refuse to accept the idea that there are many of you guys walking around. I talk to a dozen people a day and cris-cross the country. I never run into people like you, never. Where are you guys? Where do you hide all day? Why don't I physically meet people with the views expressed on here? |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by bill67 on 09/13/12 at 09:00:31 Web we've got you now,were going to do you in,but you don't know when. [smiley=lipsrsealed.gif] |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Midnightrider on 09/13/12 at 09:06:29 We dont hang out in airports or high rises. We dont read Forbes or the Wall St Journal. Several of the people you meet make more in a week than we make in a year. We're the average everyday hard working Americans who are the backbone of this country. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Serowbot on 09/13/12 at 09:58:21 We are the majority... hence, Obama is president... plus, the majority of non-voters leans democrat as well... This is why, every election, Rep's try to suppress votes, and Dem's try to boost turn-out... If you can't find us,.. you're living in a bubble... Many of the posters here are not even liberal,... they are middle ground voters... It just happens that, the Democrat party now owns the middle ground, and the Rebublicans have shifted radically right. It is unfortunately, in the nature of conservative thinking to be resistant to change or compromise... so, as the world progresses, conservatives hunker down, and become even more extreme... their members become more bitter and intolerant.. I don't respond seriously to your arguments because I already know that you will simply deny facts, and continue to lash out with name calling, insanity... You are begging to be banned from posting, but too incensed to logout... You have even sunk to the point of name-calling smileyfaces... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D... Nobody but you, Web,.. thinks this is clever.. it sure ain't boosting anyone's opinion of you... So, what exactly are you trying to accomplish?... |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by srinath on 09/13/12 at 10:28:21 033136272031261935263F540 wrote:
Yes webster you sorta need to step outside the boardroom and I dont mean to your attached corner office. We are the people writing your code, making the bloomberg files with the vital stock information you need move from one place to another and render it in a report format you can understand and put in cool chart like formats etc - all signed sealed and delivered for 40 bones an hour. Even so I dont think I'd be discussing politics with the big boss ... Sorry webster, I think I know your type very well. Has $$$, likes babies - got it. Hey atleast you are not a single issue voter ... I know someone who is this - Likes guns. That is it. Works as a mechanic, is pretty low middle class and so on on on ... but "likes guns" is what he votes as. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by WebsterMark on 09/13/12 at 10:36:52 I don't respond seriously to your arguments because I already know that you will simply deny facts you don't respond because you can't. Again, you said most of the signers were not Christian. I refuted and now you won't respond. So, whatever, you lied, got busted and now you don't want to talk about it. Fine, you can do that. as far as the rest of the post from Midnight and Srinath; you have missed me by a mile. again, not sure where you get the idea i'm rich and living the good life. Not true. Middle class and work hard. That's probably why i don't run into people like you. I deal with people who produce, who are responsible for the success of others. I don't think you guys fall into thsoe catatories. i think you guys are users, not producers. Like I said before, I have nothing in common with any of you and I should probably leave so you guys can have your circle jerk unmolested; to paraphrase JOG. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Midnightrider on 09/13/12 at 11:07:25 I produced for over 40 years, thank you. "I deal with people who produce, who are responsible for the success of others " And once those others become sucessful because of our production they treat us like yesterday's newspaper! That's it in a nutshell Web. Dont know why you cant understand it or if you just refuse to. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by WD on 09/13/12 at 13:33:50 I'm poor and don't vote by party lines. Generally lean toward the right but base my choice on the person running, not whatever line they are spouting at the moment. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by srinath on 09/14/12 at 06:57:10 As per hindu mythology - I googled "how long is a yug" cos I know we are near the end of kali yug from what grandma told me. Yuga (Devan[ch257]gari: [ch2351][ch2369][ch2327]) in Hindu philosophy is the name of an 'epoch' or 'era' within a cycle of four ages. These are the Satya Yuga, the Treta Yuga, the Dvapara Yuga, and finally the Kali Yuga. According to Hindu cosmology, life in the universe is created, destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,[1][2] which is one full day (day and night) for Brahma. The lifetime of a Brahma himself may be 311 trillion and 40 billion years.[1] The cycles are said to repeat like the seasons, waxing and waning within a greater time-cycle of the creation and destruction of the universe. Like Summer, Spring, Winter and Autumn, each yuga involves stages or gradual changes which the earth and the consciousness of mankind goes through as a whole. A complete yuga cycle from a high Golden Age of enlightenment to a Dark Age and back again is said to be caused by the solar system's motion around another star.[3] So as per hunduism age of the universe ... so 4.1-8.2 billion years or there abouts. Cool. Srinath. 0E293C2F31343B29382F5D0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Pine on 09/14/12 at 12:36:34 24273B36243F6760570 wrote:
Funny, we are usually the one telling you that you are out of line. What happened to separation of church and state? God has no place in our government. I don't need religion to tell me what good moral and ethical behavior is. Who ever said liberals hate Isreal and jews, where do you come up with this crazy ass nuts? And BTW that amendmnet sounds pretty good to me too. [/quote] Thats a sad post right there. I do feel that a very large part of what is changing and what is wrong.. is pretty well summed up right there. What do you need to be moral? laws? Never worked, never will. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/15/12 at 21:32:06 Splash, Id love to read your explanation of Seperation?Church/State & while youre at it, please show the part of the Constitution youll be quoting. Yes, this is a challenge,, Ive typed the correct reading of it several times & Im tired of it, so, Ill wait on someone who has no idea what theyre talking about to explain it. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by splash07 on 09/16/12 at 18:42:37 Where did I say it was in the constitution? I have simply been taught from the time I could understand that we have a government that operates seperate from church. I have yet to see that in practice but belive it will be important for us to grow as a society. Simply my opinion, I am not saying church has no place, it certainly does. I dont need anything to tell me what is moral, I know inherently. You feel the same way or maybe you blindly follow whatever the laws and churches tell you is moral behavior. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/16/12 at 20:55:40 11120E03110A5255620 wrote:
I have simply been taught from the time I could understand that we have a government that operates seperate from church. Yes, I kinda remember all that getting started. I cant pin down what grade I was in when it got to being a big deal.,It was based in "The seperation of church & state" supposedly due to the Constitution saying there is supposed to be a seperation. Its based in a mis reasding & mis application of the Big C, just as the Commerce clause is used to micro manage commerce between states, when its intent was to Keep Commerce Regular, as in, one state cant create roadblocks to imports from another by tariffs, etc. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Pine on 09/17/12 at 12:20:37 797A666B79623A3D0A0 wrote:
Ahhh see.. you said two different things: "government that operates separate from the CHURCH" versus "God has no place in our government" "The church" has no place in our government... I agree, But God does. Regardless of religion.. I do not believe anyone is inately moral. An infant has no morals only needs and wants.. it grows to a child ... and it is taught morals (or not). I guess I agree to disagree |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Starlifter on 09/18/12 at 14:02:14 <snip> Separation of Church and State: A First Amendment Primer Separation: Good for Government, Good for Religion -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The right to freedom of religion is so central to American democracy that it was enshrined in the First Amendment to the Constitution along with other fundamental rights such as freedom of speech and freedom of the press. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." -- The First Amendment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In order to guarantee an atmosphere of absolute religious liberty, this country's founders also mandated the strict separation of church and state. Largely because of this prohibition against government regulation or endorsement of religion, diverse faiths have flourished and thrived in America since the founding of the republic. Indeed, James Madison, the father of the United States Constitution, once observed that "the [religious] devotion of the people has been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the state." Americans are still among the most religious people in the world. Yet the government plays almost no role in promoting, endorsing or funding religious institutions or religious beliefs. Free from government control -- and without government assistance -- religious values, literature, traditions and holidays permeate the lives of our citizens and, in their diverse ways, form an integral part of our national culture. By maintaining the wall separating church and state, we can guarantee the continued vitality of religion in American life. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Drifter on 09/19/12 at 07:41:04 Religion is for the weak, gullible and uneducated. Look around the world the most fanatical religious countrys are the least educated. The founding fathers were neither there for they made a very clear point to seperate church and state. Religion has caused more wars and deaths in human history than every disease combined....for what to prove your god is the real one or my god is bigger than yours or mormans are better than jews are better than christians are better than muslims are better than budists are better than......... :( ALL are cults of one form or another, some just more popular or had better salesman or better ways to kill you if you did not agree with them. |
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Title: Re: Dems say no to God Post by Starlifter on 09/19/12 at 21:02:56 "Religion is for the weak, gullible and uneducated." Drifter ...Yup, just look around at the world's most fanatically religious countries" (include the United States of America here) with it's rabid hatred of any of any other belief system (read Muslim, atheist, Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, Jane, agnostic, Gnostic, spiritualism), etc. etc. and you will see that religion is and always has been the greatest perpetrator of hate the world has ever known. |
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