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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1351188539 Message started by caseyLA on 10/25/12 at 11:08:58 |
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Title: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by caseyLA on 10/25/12 at 11:08:58 DISCLAIMER: 1. This mod is in beta testing. 2. If you use the mod as described, the side stand switch will need to be bypassed. Purpose: This mod will allow your S40/Savage to be started in neutral without the clutch engaged. Since the clutch switch is not bypassed, the clutch will still need to be engaged to start in gear. Method: The side stand relay is re-purposed as a clutch switch relay. The relay is activated by the neutral switch. Reason: If you are replacing the automatic decompression mechanism with a manual thumb lever, you need a free left hand to start the bike. You also don't want the bike accidentally starting in gear. http://rycamotors.com/clutch-mod-wiring-small.gif |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by verslagen1 on 10/25/12 at 11:30:12 Moved to RSD until tested and answer question phase. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by SALB on 10/25/12 at 11:34:33 What happens when you get a false neutral? i.e., when the neutral light is on, but the transmission is in gear (which has been known to happen), does the bike start as it takes off down the driveway? :-? |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by Charon on 10/25/12 at 12:01:42 This mod appears to disable the sidestand safety, which is not the best of ideas. I have never seen a "false neutral" of the type which turns on the Neutral light when the bike is in gear. I suppose it could happen with damaged wiring or a damaged switch. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral Post by Dave on 10/25/12 at 12:09:03 755E57445958360 wrote:
I really am not a fan of all the safety switches on the Savage. This is the first motorycle I have even owned with all that stuff on it. I suppose it helps new riders.....and maybe it will help me when I get senile.....but at the moment the side stand switch is not an issue. I get on the bike, sit down and pull up the side stand, turn on the fuel, turn on the switch, then start the bike. I can see that the clutch safety switch would be one that I might/could reap benefits someday, as trying to start in gear is more of a possibility. I believe this modification is a good solution to getting a free hand to operate a manual decompressor. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by verslagen1 on 10/25/12 at 12:09:28 67646773656D63060 wrote:
Haven't heard anyone complain about this. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral Post by SALB on 10/25/12 at 12:24:52 62716667787573717A25140 wrote:
Haven't heard anyone complain about this.[/quote] I'm probably out in la la land again. ;D |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral Post by verslagen1 on 10/25/12 at 12:52:40 32313226303836530 wrote:
Naw, you're in Id, I'm in La La land. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by Charon on 10/25/12 at 16:35:02 I have seen a circuit which allows a start in Neutral with the clutch lever released. In every other way it acts stock. But because I do not condone tampering with safety circuits, you are on your own to discover or devise it. I am not an attorney, and have no idea what legal liability might attach to me if I told someone how to bypass a safety system and they subsequently got hurt or killed. I am not willing to risk it. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by Serowbot on 10/25/12 at 16:46:53 446F66756869070 wrote:
You mean... if I tell someone to take a long walk off a short pier,... and they do,... I'm in trouble?... :-?... Oh boy,.. I'm in trouble... :-?... |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by caseyLA on 10/25/12 at 19:12:04 I officially advise everyone here to stop riding motorcycles. And walking on piers. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/25/12 at 21:41:16 63617365794C41000 wrote:
What? All the piers Ive seen were long enough & wide enough to ride a bike on,, theres no REASON to tell someone to take a long walk on one,, tell them to ride their bike. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral Post by BuckRYCA on 10/26/12 at 07:55:47 I bypassed the clutch safety switch when I put together my Ryca last year. I went with a manual decompression lever instead of the foot actuated one in the Ryca kit. As I do not have three hands, the clutch safety switch had to be bypassed (right hand for the starter button and left one for the decompression lever). My starting drill is to get the bike in neutral -- verify this with the green neutral light and a quick rocking of the bike. Then step on the rear brake, hands in place, and fire it up. Release the decompression lever just as the starter engages. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by caseyLA on 09/18/13 at 11:44:48 Has anyone completed this mod on your RYCA conversion? Did you have any issues? |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral Post by WD on 09/18/13 at 12:45:51 No safety switches, relocated starter button, no dash lights (or speedometer for that matter) for several years. It is a 1950s engine, with a 1970s electrical system, and 1980s safety junk. At least Toyota was nice enough to have a clutch safety cancel button installed. I even bypassed it on my Ranger. But, I'm also the guy who successfully installed a front drum this week... and is boxing/sending away the stock front wheel. AND gave away the master cylinder, hose, lever and caliper (plus mounting bolts)... I may be the wrong one to ask, but... delete them. Preferably well before the kickstand starts to bounce going down the road and shuts you off in traffic. Been there, bike was 2 months old, Savages CAN fly if you have to sidewalk it to stay upright. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/18/13 at 22:31:54 I bypassed the clutch switch on an old chevy pikkup. Came in handy,, flooded it out in a hard rain,, stuck it in first & walked it out with the starter. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by wordet11 on 01/11/17 at 05:33:17 Has anyone verified that this mod works? Would like to be sure before I go ahead and do it. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/17 at 10:20:55 If you just wanna not hafta pull the clutch you can unplug the wire to the switch and short the wires. If that's too tacky looking, trace the wires and jumper them wherever suits you. You're just Telling the bike that the clutch lever is pulled in. Won't affect the sidestand interlock. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by Ruttly on 01/11/17 at 12:21:57 Did it ! No issues ! |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/17 at 13:49:27 Good deal.. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral Post by kiwi rider 89 on 01/11/17 at 15:41:29 To me seeing all the safety fetchers that are in the newer bikes is interesting. The 1989 SL 400 has non, the side stand only has a light (you can ride with it still down), and the bike will start with or without the clutch lever being pulled (weather in gear or not) it's not fun then it is, I'm just happy I managed to catch it before it doped :) |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by Kris01 on 01/11/17 at 18:29:31 A friend of mine rides with a guy who crashed with the kick stand down on his HD. I guess he wasn't paying attention! |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by wordet11 on 01/11/17 at 18:31:27 Thanks fellas! |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by sidecar mad on 02/24/17 at 15:17:59 Hi there, a new guy here! I've shorted out the clutch switch on my and my wifes 650. Had trouble with the switch on one of them so just bypassed it. Both our bikes have side cars fitted, so when you're starting them we are usually on them. In gear or not it now makes no difference. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral Post by batman on 02/24/17 at 20:28:06 Stand next to your bike ,kickstand down,grab the bars and pull up on the right grip. the front tire and kickstand remain grounded,but the back tire is jacked up in the air. If this happens as your taking off and making a left turn, out of say your driveway and the kickstand decides not to fold back you and the bike are going down. I'd think bypassing the clutch switch to be OK but I wouldn't bypass the kickstand switch because when you tried to put the bike in gear the motor would die , and thus avoid something that might ruin the start of a perfectly nice day. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by thumperclone on 02/25/17 at 00:35:50 why do this mod what's the benefit? |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral Post by Dave on 02/25/17 at 03:07:26 4D514C54495C4B5A5556575C390 wrote:
The only real benefit that I see, is you avoid a switch that has the potential to go bad....most often those things go bad at the worst possible time. It can be relatively easy to troubleshoot those things in your garage - really difficult on some dark back road in the rain. It is not all that uncommon that we help troubleshoot a safety switch issue for a new forum member. I started riding around 50 years ago. The drill was to get on the bike, grab the handlebars and pull the bike upright, pull the kickstand up, turn the petcock on, turn on the key and look at the neutral light or roll it front/back to check for neutral on the dirt bikes, then kick start the bike (I didn't pull in the clutch lever as some motorcycles I rode cannot be kick started with the clutch in (early Honda, Ossa,CZ). After all that time it has become ingrained into my muscle memory - but I now have modified that routine to include pulling in the clutch lever and hitting the electric starter button as none of my bikes have a kickstarter anymore. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by buster6315 on 02/25/17 at 07:19:17 If'n you can't learn the drill, perhaps you should not even swing a leg over a motorcycle. |
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Title: Re: "No clutch required to start in neutral" mod Post by Kris01 on 02/25/17 at 18:23:45 The kickstand goes up before I do anything else! I've seen too many people hurt themselves! ;) I like the safety switches. They keep me from hurting myself! |
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