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Title: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/09/12 at 14:02:19 Peter Morrison, Texas GOP Official, Calls For 'Amicable Divorce' From 'Maggots' Who Voted For Obama <snip> As some Republicans continue to cope with the prospect of another four years under President Barack Obama, a Texas GOP official is floating a simple way out: cleaving his state from the union. Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County Republican Party, wrote a column in the post-election edition of his Tea Party newsletter this week calling for an "amicable divorce" from the U.S., the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports. "Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government?" he wrote. "Let each go her own way." Morrison went on to express anger at the "maggots" who backed Obama, specifically calling out non-white voters, whom he accused of voting for the president on an "ethnic basis." Bud Kennedy of the Star-Telegram has more details. Republican officials in Texas have been glum about the concept of a second Obama term in the past. A judge from Lubbock predicted over the summer that the president's reelection could even lead to a civil war. Obama's victory has been weighing heavily on some conservative groups around the country. The Cincinnati Tea Party proclaimed the nation dead earlier this week, ruling it a death by suicide. In Ohio, the Lebanon Tea Party mourned the "loss of our country," predicting that it would be a "socialist nation within months." ************************************************* You are welcome to leave if you don't like it Sir, but this country stays united. Crazy Talks Gettin' Good... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/09/12 at 14:54:26 Maybe we could give them a place to live independently... Like,.. Guantanamo... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Midnightrider on 11/09/12 at 16:16:06 Pubs have enough money to buy their own country, there's no need to fight over this one. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by 360k+ on 11/10/12 at 18:10:18 At least as far as the neo-cons go, let em buy Texas and secede. See ya JOG ;D |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/10/12 at 18:12:12 First thing we will do is declare war, fight just long enough to tear some stuff up, surrender & have you clowns "rebuild" our country! |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/12 at 05:31:52 yes and they'll thing that by spending money to repair everything, they've 'stimulated' the economy....! |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/11/12 at 09:05:42 704245545342556A46554C270 wrote:
Ryan's family business, is road building... made most of their money on govn't contracts... You don't think that boosts the economy?... Romney,"saved" the Olympics,.. with mostly federal dollars... Hey guys,... you didn't build that,... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/12 at 09:23:18 as usual you miss and distort my point. there is a difference between a false 'stimulus' and regular building and maintenance. government stimulus designed to boost the market outside of market conditions is a variation of the b"roken window" economic lesson. Note: i am not up for a useless debate on that economic truism on here today. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/11/12 at 10:05:16 Out infrastructure is antiquated and falling apart... Maybe you haven't noticed?... Water, electric, rail, roads, bridges, airports, levys... ports?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by 360k+ on 11/11/12 at 11:26:50 4056415C44515C47330 wrote:
Yes, but after spending $10 billion per month on multiple unnecessary wars THAT HAVE TAKEN YEARS, there is simply not enough money left to do these things. Therefore, it will require addition tax revenue or more borrowing for infrastructure repairs & maintenance. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/12 at 11:30:15 1) no, i get all over the country and i would not describe it as falling apart. I'm driving from St. Louis to Conway AR tomorrow. Then from Conway to Russellville, to Ft. Smith, back to Conway, to Jonesboro and back home. I'll take photos if you like. Next week i'll be in Omaha, then Lawrence KS and back to St. Louis. The week after that, to Tennessee. I'll take photos of the bridges out, wrecked roads, falling buildings etc.... 2) normal maintenance and normal construction is not the same as a stimulus which as we saw, artificially looks for projects that don't need to be done. There were numerous stories about wasted stimulus projects. besides, the stimulus money disproportionately went to unions. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/11/12 at 11:39:00 1) no, i get all over the country and i would not describe it as falling apart. I'm driving from St. Louis to Conway AR tomorrow. Then from Conway to Russellville, to Ft. Smith, back to Conway, to Jonesboro and back home. I'll take photos if you like. Next week i'll be in Omaha, then Lawrence KS and back to St. Louis. The week after that, to Tennessee. I'll take photos of the bridges out, wrecked roads, falling buildings etc.... What a stupid post...you don't have a clue. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Midnightrider on 11/11/12 at 12:16:22 Have a safe trip my friend. Looking forward to the pics, not because the country is falling apart but to prove a point. We need to work on our home before we spend all our money working on our neighbors house. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/12 at 19:16:43 What a stupid post...you don't have a clue. f you pig. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/11/12 at 19:18:06 before we spend all our money working on our neighbors house. you'll absolutely get no dispute out of me about more sensible spending on foreign aid. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/12 at 19:55:24 Foreign aid? While we have people losing homes? None is my answer. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/11/12 at 21:23:29 "f you pig." Webster What an ignorant and ugly person you are..your daughter must be so proud. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Drifter on 11/12/12 at 04:19:26 Webster that is way over the top even for you!! :( Chill people have a few cold ones go to colorado and burn one........the election is over mitt and lyin lost. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/12 at 05:30:50 Webster that is way over the top even for you!! No it is not. i wasn't even talking to him. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/12 at 05:32:27 your daughter must be so proud. do not bring her up again, do not. do not talk about someone's family unless they bring it up first. You have no idea the fuse you could lite messing with someone's children. Drop it right now and move on. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/12/12 at 07:21:40 0E3C3B2A2D3C2B14382B32590 wrote:
Web,.. there was no personal attack there,.. and no insult to your daughter... He's simply pointing out, that your behaviour here,.. is not something that would make your daughter proud... Why don't you show her what you posted here... and see what she thinks... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by srinath on 11/12/12 at 07:32:52 Yup, texas will within months be a part of mexico once that happens and we withdraw the border patrol we have place @ the border and move it to the north TX border. Heck, we wont even put a border there, we will just enfore it electronically. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/12 at 07:38:20 Don't knowl. My guess is she'd read all of Star's post, laugh at him and wonder if he’s grown up or just a little boy pretending to be a man online. Besides, there are too many crazies on the internet to bring up someone's child out of context. It's completely out of line and no one should defend it. No one. But, I’m interested in understanding the mindset of my opposition and since this post is titled Civil War and I believe your ideas how to run a country will end this country; you guys are my opposition; as I am yours. I do need to tone down my response to you, Retread, Midnight, Sirath and others (not Star and he deserves everything he gets). I promise to be more civil and ignore attacks thrown my way. If I don't, call me on it and I will apologize and stop. Now, regarding the point of infrastructure, anything can be improved, but I would disagree with the picture that it is falling apart. I wonder how much money is spent on infrastructure nationwide and how that compares with others from a % point of view. Anyone know? I drive all the time and I've wondered if I'm in the wrong business. I think the winning business is the guy that sells orange traffic cones to construction sites...... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/12/12 at 08:07:42 Reuters... U.S. infrastructure woes: A roadblock to growth http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/16/uk-usa-economy-infrastructure-idUSLNE77E04E20110816 "America used to have the best stuff -- best roads, best airports, best seaports," he said on Thursday. "We're slipping behind." Rep's really should start arguing about priorities and solutions, instead of denying that there are problems... The problems are fact... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/12 at 08:18:44 America spends roughly 2 percent of GDP on infrastructure, about half what it did 50 years ago, according to a U.S. government report from October. Europe spends around 5 percent and China 9 percent. okay, now there is some real data to sink my teeth into. I'll get back to you. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/12/12 at 11:03:18 "I do need to tone down my response to you, Retread, Midnight, Sirath and others (not Star and he deserves everything he gets)." There's a fuse at this end too ass*hole. You don't like my post's don't respond to them. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by srinath on 11/12/12 at 12:23:21 192B2C3D3A2B3C032F3C254E0 wrote:
No its not ... China is industralising ... europe is well still under govt austerity in a lot of cases. Presumably Europe should be higher, but likely not as high as china. US should be close to europe, we have cut the flesh to the bone and have been sawing through the bone for years. Simple ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WD on 11/12/12 at 12:31:25 WM, if you'll be driving through Memphis make sure your seat belt is tight. Both I-55 and I-40 have sections that send semis airborne. Really shoddy workmanship. And remember that the speed limit is the suggested minimum by common practice... Buildings falling down? Only place I've seen worse than Memphis proper is pics from the 'hoods in "Dead-troit". Don't know about a new Civil War, but I'd love to secede from the county I live in... "new" (1925) county line split our place in half... >:( They could have at least used the existing road as the boundary... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/12/12 at 16:03:50 WD; absolute correct! I-55 just crossing into Memphis is awful. Who designed that exit ramp to 55?... Overall, Memphis is my least favorite town. One of the few places I go where I feel like I'd should be carrying.... The river area by the Pyramid is downright primal... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by mpescatori on 11/13/12 at 03:25:05 Hi Webster, I read your post on the route you're driving, if I've got my cities sited properly you're driving 1800++ miles in... how many days? It's quite a long way. I have traveled in the US quite a bit, always driving personally, and I have to say your speed limites are quite low compared to what we have here in the EU. My last time was in 2008 in the Southwest, and IIRC the limits were 60 in California and 70 in Nevada. Looow... Slooow... Here in Europe the general speed limit is 130 Km/h which is more or less 80 mph. France has 120 Km/h (75 mph) and queasy little England has a stated 70 mph. Not that there's much of an assumed difference between driving at 70, 75 and 80... ...until you realize that if everybody's doing 70, you have three lanes of lukewarm traffic and no overtaking lane. And if WE can cruise at 75/80 in out little euroboxes, why are you guys still stuck at 60/65/70? :-? |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/13/12 at 04:32:46 no, only about 1000 miles. left Monday afternoon, be back Friday. Have 3 large food plants to visit. We drive so slow because we’ve castrated ourselves and allowed wimpy politicians to feel important by ‘protecting’ us. Hell, in some states you can’t even ride a skateboard in your own driveway without a helmet on. As a nation, we can be very stupid sometimes. I drove on the Autobahn once and it’s true, they haul a$$ over there. It was fun. Berlin to Frankfurt I think, not positive where we started but I know we ended in Frankfurt. I drove a little 5 speed something or other, no idea what it was, in the back country of Hungary a couple times. I don’t recall even seeing a speed limit or a traffic cop. I was also picked up at the airport in Budapest and driven to our plant about 2 hours away. I don’t think the guy ever dropped below 90 mph regardless of the road. Scary…. You guys might go bankrupt and drag us down with you, but darn you guys drive cool…. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by srinath on 11/13/12 at 07:17:34 You do know that in most of europe, they have insanely strict and tiered and very bureaucratic drivers licence laws right ? They can run fast, but they train the drivers like hell to be able to do so ... I am pretty sure that will get you ruffled up what with the uncle sam nanny state and all ... And 2. The accidents they have when they do occour are simply absolutely horrendous on the autobahn. and 3. Gasoline is very expensive in most of those countries mainly due to taxes. They use those higher taxes to ... guess what ... maintain the roads. And darn fine roads they are ... but one more of the nanny state taking our $$$ to buid us something ... Take all of that as an overall ... not just the 1 aspect you like ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by rfw2003 on 11/13/12 at 14:53:51 Speaking of TX, there is a petition at the Whitehouse.gov site right now for Texas to withdraw from the U.S. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B Quote:
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/13/12 at 17:07:12 Yes started on the morning after the election. It's a silly notion. My basic reply is, "um, bye", but it's still silly. 3.5 million Texans voted for Obama, and 70,000 nuts are getting the media spotlight.. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/12 at 20:30:00 Nothing nutty about wanting to get in a lifeboat & away from a sinking ship. I werlcome the idea. I would welcome it with the same conviction had Mitt won, because the policies that are dragging us down will not change, regardless of whether its a D or an R wearing the Captains hat. The same ideology drives the advisers of every recent president. ALL of the presidents advisers come from one of 3 groups. Every one of those groups is a Globalist think tank., How can anyone pretend there can be a policy change? Whats WRONG with people? Please. anyone R or D, I dont care, someone please explain how it is reasonable to expect policy change while EVERY adviser is either TRilateral Commission, B/berg group, or CFR? Its been the same story for decades,, & GEEE,, In LOCK step with our economic & social demise,, GO Figger! |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/13/12 at 21:47:04 "Nothing nutty about wanting to get in a lifeboat & away from a sinking ship. I werlcome the idea." ...umm, okay, do it. First step, renounce your US citizenship. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/12 at 21:58:26 Offer a false solution? Good move. Who would have ever thot a man of your integrity would do that? |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/13/12 at 23:41:10 Secession eh? That's basically how the last civil war started. We all know how well secession worked for you the last time. I think the union would give you the same answer we gave you in 1861-1865. Personally I wouldn't mind at all if Texas went. Go now and take the Bush family with you. You would be doing The UNITED States OF America a favor. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/14/12 at 00:29:46 But you never address the Main Point Ive made over & over, YOu cant say IM incorrect. Thats Where the advisers all come from, no matter what sits behind the desk, |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/14/12 at 15:05:54 "The Main Point Ive made over & over." JOG, you refer to this in every post.. Just what point am I suppose to respond to?? :-? |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Trippah on 11/14/12 at 20:25:57 Much of west Texas seems to be dying economically anyway.....but I don't think we have to break up the nation yet, it'll happen in less than 60 years anyway due to changing population demographics. How do you say it..oh yes..Hasta La Vista. and Via Con Dios. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/14/12 at 20:45:19 785F4A5947424D5F4E592B0 wrote:
The fact that every pres's "advisers" are either CFR, trilateral commission or B/berg group.. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/14/12 at 22:04:03 CFR? Which one.."Senate Committee on Foreign Relations" or The "Council on Foreign Relations"...if it's the latter thats a "think tank" they are all partison and can't be trusted. If it's the former they (among other things) over-see the funding of foreign aid programs as well as funding, arms sales and training for national allies. A total waste of American dollars. Mitt Romney and Herman Cain are both members of the trilateral commission and they are also members of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations. That's all I need to know about this outfit to know the scope of danger here. Is every pres's "advisers" either CFR, trilateral commission or B/berg group? I don't know...probably. Is this a bad thing? I don't know, probably. Is there anything you or I can do about this? No. Is every president in bed with these guys? I don't know. That's all I can say to respond to your question. *Star |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Midnightrider on 11/14/12 at 23:03:23 I would welcome the idea of going to war, not because I dont like black people or our black president, illegal aliens or any person of any color or descent as far as that goes. I want the job of bombing Monsanto just for starters. Goldman Sachs would be my second choice. I can go on and on and on. This country has poisoned me physically and stolen fom me finacially. I would glady fight. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/12 at 02:58:38 Its not the senate one. Its the council on foreign relations, Thats why there is no real policy change, ever, TRilaterals, CFRs & Bilderbergers all are the same general thinking, Globalists, They are running the decision making process, |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/15/12 at 13:38:23 I'll try to stay on points raised. First, I never use the term "Civil War" to describe the War Between the States. A true civil war is defined as a conflict wherein 2 or more factions are competing to control a country, like what is going on in Syria right now. Our conflict from 1861 to 1865 was one wherein a number states wanted to leave the Union. Call it the War Between the States, the War for Southern Independence ( the most accurate description), or the War of Secession - any of those are more accurate than Civil War. As for our speed limits: Frist, a bunch of fools have persuaded the gov't that "speed kills", rather than being more correct and seeing that incompetent drivers in less capable cars kill. Furthermore, until very recently, American cars were junk, incapable of proper handling, and had horrible brakes and steering. European cars, even less expensive ones, had rack and pinion steering, disc brakes, and tight suspensions, coupled with reasonable size, when Americans were driving 1977 Olsdmobiles as big as a yacht, with steering so loose that you had half a turn of play in the steering wheel, with brakes so poor you couldn't get the thing stopped from even 70 mph in 100 yards, and suspensions so loose that it would roll over if you swerved at speed. Then our licensing laws were so lousy that most people my age simply learned their father's poor driving skills. Still today, I know of no regular driver's education teacher who has ever been on a skid pad, nor who has a clue what a four wheel drift is. But things are slowly getting better - thanks to the global economy, American manufacturers now have to build a decent product that they can sell overseas. If we ever get any true driver's education, that would be great. I wish we had speed limits of at least 80 mph on the interstates, in rural areas. I too spend a lot of time driving, about 30,000 miles per year. Just this week I went from Columbus, Ohio to Chicago and back. I find our roads to be in acceptable, not perfect, condition. Except for that abonimation that they call the Pennsylvania Turnpike, I'm generally pleased with the interstate highways I drive. When people say how our other infrastructure is so poor compared to Europe, a good part of Western Europe's was destroyed in WW II and was rebuilt in the 1950s. Some our ours goes back 150 years. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/15/12 at 15:40:55 The war of southern treason works for me.... Below is a petition currently circulating that I am very much in favor of. We the people petition the obama administration to: Rename portions of federal highways between Atlanta and Savannah the "William Tecumseh Sherman Memorial Highway". In the fall of 1864 General William T. Sherman led his troops on the "March to the Sea," capturing Savannah, which brought the end of America's bloody civil war much closer, and thus preserving the Union. Today, much of General Sherman's route is paralleled by interstate highways I-75 and I-16. In memory of one of America's greatest patriots, this petition asks the government to rename those portions of those highways after General Sherman and add significant places along that route to the National Register of Historic Places. :D |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/15/12 at 18:18:18 Just over a 1000 miles this week. Very little interstate. Mostly 4 lane divided state highways. South of Poplar Bluff MO and into Northern Arkansas, it’s 2 lane for about 80 miles as the road weaves around rivers and bluffs. Now, to the question about infrastructure which is what Midnight and Mpes asked about. There were only two areas of construction. One was replacing a bridge over the Black River and the other was lane widening outside of Little Rock on I-40. I can’t say the economy is being impacted significantly over that 80 miles of 2 lane. It’s sparsely populated. Spending funds to extend the 4 lane divided highway so there is a straight shot from St. Louis to Little Rock might create a little more economy activity, but it wouldn’t offset the hundreds of millions it would cost to build it. If the towns of Poplar Bluff, Jonesboro and maybe Paragould grew significantly, maybe the demand would be there. I was also thinking about this often repeated phrase of ‘crumbling infrastructure’. Honestly, I don’t see it. I think this is one of those phrases that has been tossed around so much, it's assumed to be true. Sure, there are projects to be done, but crumbling? I wouldn’t agree with that. I’ve been selling industrial products to 3 different industry the past 25 years or so and I can’t recall ever hearing anyone use the phrase crumbling infrastructure as a reason or excuse for a project not proceeding. I’ve heard managers tell me industrial plants prefer to be away from population centers because they get cheap, but more reliable labor. Plus, many smell so they would rather avoid the complains. I guess that is an acceptable trade off for dealing with 2 lane roads. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Midnightrider on 11/15/12 at 18:37:08 A large percentage of the roads in NC suck, I blame a lot of that on our current govenor, she sucks. Our kids go to school in house trailers. Built a brand new school a half mile from my house and before it was completed there were 8 doublewides sitting there. Maybe its a state or local goverment problem but none the less theres work to be done. When they finally decide to replace a bridge or repair a road it takes years when it should only take months. They have been talking about building a loop around Winston Salem for over 28 years now. When I built my house 28 years ago the loop was supposed to be within a quarter of a mile from me and I was informed my house could be taken. Twenty Eight years ago, Duh. When the roads in NC were actually kept up by the state they were in a lot better shape and construction was completed in a timely manner. Now everything is bid out to private contractors and its a friggin mess. It took them over 3 years to build a bridge that I use weekly over Hwy 52. Thats rediculous and irresponsible. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Midnightrider on 11/15/12 at 21:20:58 When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/16/12 at 20:58:41 Back during the Vietnam war, we would bomb the hell out of North Vietnam destroying tens of steel and concrete girder bridges in and around Hanoi on a weekly bases. Two weeks later the bridges would be rebuilt and up and running, and they would have to be bombed again. The main highway I travel daily here in Michigan has a bridge over a little creek that needed to be replaced two years ago. The road was closed and detoured around for a year and a half...go figure. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/17/12 at 04:37:39 It took them over 3 years to build a bridge that I use weekly over Hwy 52. Thats rediculous and irresponsible. So don’t your claims of crumbling infrastructure demonstrate that the US Government (Federal or State) as an organization is incompetent in providing a basic service? So if that’s true, and by your posts you’ve said that over and over, why in the world are you in such a hurry to turn over to them a basic service that’s responsible for not only your personal health, but 1/6 of the US economy? What would make you believe this organization won’t fail miserably, as they are doing with infrastructure, when they have control of healthcare? |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/17/12 at 18:30:02 103722312F2A25372631430 wrote:
Well,, thats an Easy Fix,, Hire a Vietnamese contractor,,duhhh.,. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Midnightrider on 11/18/12 at 21:39:41 1C2E29383F2E39062A39204B0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Midnightrider on 11/18/12 at 22:19:11 370502131405122D01120B600 wrote:
Webster when the state kept the roads up NC was said to have the best roads in the nation. Now its bid out to private contractors. They have a racket going, they bid low to get the job, get a bunch of money up front and when the work is not finished on time and the state starts fining them they declare bankruptcy, form a new company and start all over again. As usual the big man walks off with a pocketful of money. Its nothing but a dam racket. Web not everything the goverment does is screwed up. Our great health care system ruined my life, private corp. stole my retirement I was promised that I worked 37 years for. If it wasnt for the goverment I would starve and I deserve better. The goverment in effect supplied me with my retirement that multi millionaires stole from me. Screw the private corporations, the greedy bastards are my enemy. Web when 400 people make more money than the rest of the population combined something is furcked up. I use to be where you're at, thats why I like you. You're in a position to take care of yourself, please do. I made the mistake of believing in private corp. to take care of me in my last days and you know the rest of the story. How many people are so called moochers living off the gov. because they were screwed over by private corps. like me. If it makes you feel any better I actually voted for a Pub LOL. If Romney would have promised to do for this country what he done for Mass. I would have voted for two. I believe he was a good govenor. Something or someone turned him into a lying sack of sh!t. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Midnightrider on 11/18/12 at 22:26:37 052237243A3F30223324560 wrote:
The next one is gonna be worse except you and I will be on the same side this time. Hope you darn yankees can shoot and hide in the woods as good as us ol southern boys. Chill out and listen to some Lynard Skynard LOL. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/19/12 at 05:41:23 Midnight; the corruptions you are describing are exactly what’s going to happen in healthcare. Human nature is what it is. Crooks will go to where the cash is as was famously answered by Willie Sutton. As far as 400 make more than the rest, I doubt that’s true, but if it is, so what? They’re arent’ taking money from my pocket. I’m a free agent. If I don’t like what I make, I move on and vice versa. What happened to you sounds like it was criminal. I have no idea what the back story is and I’m sure you wish you could go back in time and do stuff different. Lord knows I do. I never finished school, wish I’d go in the military, wish I’d do a lot of things differently. But, I have no intention of sitting around and being forced into your situation of relying on Uncle Sam to give me enough to get by. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/19/12 at 05:50:04 There won't be a civil war. The nation as we know it will quietly die out. All we have to do is look at California as an example. The big difference is smart and hard working Californians have been leaving that state by the bus loads. The problem is, right now, they can go to other states, Texas for example. But when the entire nation finally looks like the fiscal nightmare California is, where to from there? It will be over at that point. All nations die out and most from within and so it will be with the US. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by srinath on 11/19/12 at 06:19:54 497B7C6D6A7B6C537F6C751E0 wrote:
I shoud say right, and wrong at the same time. I moved out of there as soon as I could. However there is a bunch of people who would rather go down with the state than leave. I think its going to turn out like another NY. Some diehards will not leave ... Around them there is a pool of transients ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Midnightrider on 11/19/12 at 10:44:36 Webster do you know what year it is? I'm thankful you dont have to deal with our health care system like I do. I just spent 4 nights in ICU three weeks ago and all they did was give me injections of blood thinner, have blood clots in my lungs. So far I've recieved $12,000 worth of bills and they keep coming in. I have Lupus because one doctor didnt take the time to look and see what drugs another doctor was giving me and I'm dying from it. How more furcked up can a health care system be. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/19/12 at 12:07:19 . How more furcked up can a health care system be. And you think having Uncle Sam in charge of it is going to make it better???? Remove the profit incentive and technology innovation will cease immediately. Remove the profit incentive and do you honestly think they'll be enough surgeons around to operate on an aging population? The irony of Obamacare will be those with money will not see much change in healthcare. You can always pay someone to help you out. Those with nothing, will see an improvement, how much? hard to say. Those of us in middle class who are too poor to be rich and to rich to be poor, will be absolutely screwed..... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/19/12 at 14:45:26 6A585F4E49584F705C4F563D0 wrote:
... because there is no technology or innovation in England or France?... or the rest o the world?... Right?... :-?... My buddy waited years for a hernia operation that was being done routinely in Europe... ... same thing happened with carpal tunnel surgery... They have many innovations... making surgery less less painful, with faster recovery, smaller scars... There are cutting edge (pardon the pun),... medical advances happening all over the world... You really should quit listening to Faux News... there's a whole world out there... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Trippah on 11/19/12 at 14:59:36 Don't forget laser eye surgury - pioneered in Mother Russia when she was the center of commyism. No, we aren't the only center of innovation in this world. Just the best. ;D |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/19/12 at 15:03:56 My buddy waited years for a hernia operation that was being done routinely in Europe... you mentioned someone waiting for a long time before and i questioned you on it so i will on this one. how could anyone wait 'years' for a hernia operation? What's the backstory? |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/19/12 at 15:28:20 There are cutting edge (pardon the pun),... medical advances happening all over the world... You really should quit listening to Faux News... there's a whole world out there... The market for these products has chiefly been in the US and it is from here much of the 'funding' is coming from. Regardless, the European scientific community is looking over the shoulders at what's coming down the line and they are smart enough to know it ain’t pretty. Our company has a large European presence with strong sales in pharmaceutical and high tech. We are run by very smart business men who’ve built this company into the largest and most technologically advance in the world in our field. They are not stupid and neither are they partisan. They are very worried about the EU. Very worried. http://www.yacadeuro.org/news/YAE_Press_release_signatures.pdf Concerns over budget cuts for EU research funding as a result of the upcoming summit of European Union Heads of State or Government on 22-23 November has prompted an online petition. Several Member States are demanding major cuts on the overall EU budget and research is expected to suffer if pitted against other priority areas. The European Parliament proposes a growth strategy of €100 billion for Horizon 2020, the EU research funding programme for 2014-20. However, the European Commission has called for the minimum amount of funding for research to generate an impact in Europe – €80 billion. This amount may be even lower after final negotiations due to current global economic troubles. Arguing that cuts in research and innovation funding are counterproductive to future growth for the EU, 42 Nobel Laureates and 5 Fields Medallists have submitted an Open Letter to the EU Heads of States and Governments. “Reducing the funding available for excellent research means a smaller number of trained researchers. In case of a severe reduction in the EU research and innovation budget we risk losing a generation of talented scientists just when Europe needs them most,” the letter reads. maybe you need to get out more.....or change the channel. and i always chuckle at the Faux News lines. This coming from people who get their news from that angry young man on MSNBC, Rachel Maddow... Or the fair and balanced news reports from Brian Williams or anyone from CNN…. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/19/12 at 15:43:27 5F6D6A7B7C6D7A45697A63080 wrote:
In other words,.. you don't believe me... ;D... Without giving away personal information,... he's a friend I've had for decades... the injury came from working in a boat shop, there was a bulge that would become painful and swell if overtasked, he lived with it for decades as it slowly got bigger and worse... he always feared being cut open,.. and the 2 week recovery period, and pain... He heard about a mirco-surgery technique being done in Europe, and asked his doctor, who told him it would be years before it came here... When it finally did... He had it done,.. a pinhole incision, outpatient procedure, 3 days avoiding heavy lifting, very little pain... and he's very happy... .. and they all lived happily ever after... The end... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/19/12 at 18:05:41 I don't think you would lie to me on purpose, (don't think so...) I'm confused. My mother in law had half her colon removed or something like that, using pin holes. that was 2 years ago. My brother in law had knee surgery with something along this line, that was 10 years ago i think. I think there's a bit more to this story....... maybe your buddy who got hurt at work just kinda missed the boat (get it, missed the boat?.....) If pin hole technology was developed in Europe, and I have no idea, I'm pretty sure it was in the US very, very quickly thereafter.... but the R&D info I posted is real. You can't have the financial issues Europe is having without ramifications. We'll soon follow.... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/19/12 at 21:23:00 Whatever Web,.., I didn't say this just happened yesterday... .. and no matter what I say,.. you'll believe what you want... It did happen... The fact is,... medical innovations are not exclusive to the US,.. and not just to for-profit medicine and research... There are,.. dedicated medical professionals all over the world, that are looking to make lives better... and the very best of them are not so interested in profit, or driving a Bently... they genuinely care about people and their oath... Doctors make good money,.. even in nationalized systems,... maybe not as much as here,.. but maybe they are in it for a higher purpose... Maybe,.. money isn't the only incentive in life.... We can only hope... ... and maybe,... with some better role models,.. people here will start to respect people for more than what they can earn in a year... Because that is a twisted yardstick... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/19/12 at 22:04:43 Just noticed,... this thread is about the next civil war... Obama's idol is Lincoln... and if the south rises again, Obama will knock the holy living crap out of them, again,... and send their bigoted a$$es back home with their tails between their legs... ... and they'll have their wounds tended through Obamacare... ;D ;D ;D... I wonder their new flag will look like?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by thumperclone on 11/19/12 at 22:41:01 THIS is not the next civil war. just a bunch O dis--gruntUled "ultra maroons"1 1 bugs bunny quote |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/19/12 at 23:01:30 10 points for the Bugg's quote!... ;)... Excellence, in accuracy,.. and appropriateness... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by thumperclone on 11/19/12 at 23:07:06 293F28352D38352E5A0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/19/12 at 23:32:49 Don't say that!... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WebsterMark on 11/20/12 at 03:48:41 and no matter what I say,.. you'll believe what you want... As you will too. The fact is,... medical innovations are not exclusive to the US,.. and not just to for-profit medicine and research... Never said they were exclusive. I just said what is commonly known which is the largest market for medical products are in the US, regardless of where they are produced and where R&D money came from. No one can realistically dispute that. (hell, how much do we spend on our pets here in the US....) I also said the fiscal problems the EU faces WILL have an impact on European R&D funding by governments. I told you a division of my company is in that business to a small degree and have look ahead and know the business is dropping off. So I assume you think i'm lying to you.... The soft socialist model Europe has followed has caught up with them and they are in a real financial crisis. You can ignore it all you want, but it’s real. Liberal ideology follows that model more closely than conservative ideology so it would seem to follow that Obama’s policies will produce similar results. If you have evidence that disputes that, what is it? ... and maybe,... with some better role models,.. people here will start to respect people for more than what they can earn in a year... Because that is a twisted yardstick... If you think either myself or other conservatives I know only judge people by the money they earn, you are wrong. That is a twisted yardstick. I’m sure there are people out there with this attitude, but I don’t personally know any. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Paraquat on 11/20/12 at 06:15:40 392F38253D28253E4A0 wrote:
I'm glad someone else said it. I've been saying it! Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and enacted martial law in Kentucky. Obama is already half way there. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/20/12 at 07:56:04 There was an actual civil war going on... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Paraquat on 11/20/12 at 09:16:23 I know, right! I can't wait! --Steve |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/20/12 at 10:09:06 1322312232362237430 wrote:
;D ;D ;D... My Apocalypse preparedness consists of vodka, pork raman's, 3 jars of peanut butter, a WWII bayonet, and a brick of .22's... I'm good to go... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by srinath on 11/20/12 at 11:05:59 0B393E2F28392E113D2E375C0 wrote:
I like the injun method ... you pay for it and it will be done ... you can pay more, you go to a place that looks like a 5 star hotel. You cant pay, you go to a place that looks like a railway station platform. Seriously ... or lets say a WWII infirmary (is that what its called, lots of people on cots with a white sheet over them ... that). I'll go somewhere inbetween ... and I stand a very good chance of being medically treated well while I still get to sit in the sweltering heat ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Trippah on 11/20/12 at 14:06:58 One of the real trends in medicine in the US is that innovation travels primarily from West Coast to East coast then up to New England. New proceedures tend to get proven elsewhere then trickle up to us neah Bastan. Very conservative medical community - partially I suspect cause they really don't want the lawsuits that come with innovation. Lets face it, it takes some mistakes and practice to work the bugs out. Which means that Suzuki is, with the S-40, one of the most conservative or perhaps cheap organiztions..they keep the engineering costs down to a pittance so they can sell an inexpensive machine. :) |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by mpescatori on 11/20/12 at 14:31:58 Pinhole surgery... ...you mean "Laparoscopy"? It's been going on for decades, they teach it in kindergarten classes and even stray cats perform it on field mice. ::) OK, I was serious, with a joke. As for the really delicate issue, "Civil War", may I speak with the memories of an 8-13 year old who went to Fairfax Co. schools: ALL history books used the term "Civil War". If political Correctness has gone to the point you change the names of wars, go ahead, it's your Country... (although I do love it) By this trend, should Europeans one day see WW1 be renamed "The Great war of American Awareness" or WW2 "The yet another War where the US had to scramble and go help the British"? And... what about the Spanish-American War? Korea ? Vietnam ? How many Iraqs were there ? (Three, actually, you paid for all three but only went on two) And so on and so on... Just leave the names as they were given by the men who actually fought those wars. It's a matter of respect to the Fallen and the Veterans. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/20/12 at 16:23:36 MP,.. not gettin' it... Civil War, renaming...???... Although,.. I have heard it referred to as the "War between the States",... which does make more sense... ...'cause,... what was so civil about it?.. Did they bow before they shot you, or what?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/20/12 at 19:38:07 "Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and enacted martial law in Kentucky." Steve Yes, Kentucky was a neutral state in the civil war, later a union state. Confederate guerillas were continually slipping into Kentucky to rally, organize, and arm southern sympathizers. They also engaged in acts of sabotage and general mayhem. And so martial law was temporarily imposed to put down this mini rebellion. "Obama is already half way there." Steve How so are we half-way to martial law under Obama?? |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Paraquat on 11/21/12 at 06:13:40 I'm not dodging this question but I want to let you know I'm at work (chaos mode before vacation/popped on to see if anyone wanted my carb) and then have family BS on Thursday. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by mpescatori on 11/21/12 at 10:42:52 6B7D6A776F7A776C180 wrote:
"What was so civil about it?" Nothing is ever civil about any war... BUT... since you asked... "Civil War" comes from Latin, where "civis" (pl. "cives") means "citizen". So a "civil war" is a "war among citizens". From the point of view of lexicon, "civil war" is a much more correct expression that "War between the States". My own three cents... (inflation ;) ) |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 11/21/12 at 11:20:28 Neat!... didn't know that... :)... |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/21/12 at 16:33:54 "You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace." General William Tecumseh Sherman to the Mayor and Councilmen of Atlanta In the mind of General William Tecumseh Sherman, who made famous the phrase "War is hell," there was no doubt as to the integrity of the North's cause. Sherman was renowned as a fierce - some would say tyrannical - military leader, and in September 1864 he gave orders for the city of Atlanta to be evacuated and burned. Despite appeals from the citizens of Atlanta, including reminders that there were elderly and pregnant women whom it would be difficult and even perilous to move, Sherman's decision was final. He explained himself to the mayor and council members of the city. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HEADQUARTERS MILITARY DIVISION of the MISSISSIPPI in the FIELD Atlanta, Georgia, James M. Calhoun, Mayor, E.E. Rawson and S.C. Wells, representing City Council of Atlanta. Gentleman: I have your letter of the 11th, in the nature of a petition to revoke my orders removing all the inhabitants from Atlanta. I have read it carefully, and give full credit to your statements of distress that will be occasioned, and yet shall not revoke my orders, because they were not designed to meet the humanities of the cause, but to prepare for the future struggles in which millions of good people outside of Atlanta have a deep interest. We must have peace, not only at Atlanta, but in all America. To secure this, we must stop the war that now desolates our once happy and favored country. To stop war, we must defeat the rebel armies which are arrayed against the laws and Constitution that all must respect and obey. To defeat those armies, we must prepare the way to reach them in their recesses, provided with the arms and instruments which enable us to accomplish our purpose. Now, I know the vindictive nature of our enemy, that we may have many years of military operations from this quarter; and, therefore, deem it wise and prudent to prepare in time. The use of Atlanta for warlike purposes in inconsistent with its character as a home for families. There will be no manufacturers, commerce, or agriculture here, for the maintenance of families, and sooner or later want will compel the inhabitants to go. Why not go now, when all the arrangements are completed for the transfer, instead of waiting till the plunging shot of contending armies will renew the scenes of the past month? Of course, I do not apprehend any such things at this moment, but you do not suppose this army will be here until the war is over. I cannot discuss this subject with you fairly, because I cannot impart to you what we propose to do, but I assert that our military plans make it necessary for the inhabitants to go away, and I can only renew my offer of services to make their exodus in any direction as easy and comfortable as possible. You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now, it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war. The United States does and must assert its authority, wherever it once had power; for, if it relaxes one bit to pressure, it is gone, and I believe that such is the national feeling. This feeling assumes various shapes, but always comes back to that of Union. Once admit the Union, once more acknowledge the authority of the national Government, and, instead of devoting your houses and streets and roads to the dread uses of war, I and this army become at once your protectors and supporters, shielding you from danger, let it come from what quarter it may. I know that a few individuals cannot resist a torrent of error and passion, such as swept the South into rebellion, but you can point out, so that we may know those who desire a government, and those who insist on war and its desolation. You might as well appeal against the thunder-storm as against these terrible hardships of war. They are inevitable, and the only way the people of Atlanta can hope once more to live in peace and quiet at home, is to stop the war, which can only be done by admitting that it began in error and is perpetuated in pride. We don't want your Negroes, or your horses, or your lands, or any thing you have, but we do want and will have a just obedience to the laws of the United States. That we will have, and if it involved the destruction of your improvements, we cannot help it. You have heretofore read public sentiment in your newspapers, that live by falsehood and excitement; and the quicker you seek for truth in other quarters, the better. I repeat then that, bu the original compact of government, the United States had certain rights in Georgia, which have never been relinquished and never will be; that the South began the war by seizing forts, arsenals, mints, custom-houses, etc., etc., long before Mr. Lincoln was installed, and before the South had one jot or title of provocation. I myself have seen in Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi, hundreds and thousands of women and children fleeing from your armies and desperadoes, hungry and with bleeding feet. In Memphis, Vicksburg, and Mississippi, we fed thousands and thousands of the families of rebel soldiers left on our hands, and whom we could not see starve. Now that war comes to you, you feel very different. You deprecate its horrors, but did not feel them when you sent car-loads of soldiers and ammunition, and moulded shells and shot, to carry war into Kentucky and Tennessee, to desolate the homes of hundreds and thousands of good people who only asked to live in peace at their old homes, and under the Government of their inheritance. But these comparisons are idle. I want peace, and believe it can only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect an early success. But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for any thing. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter. Now you must go, and take with you the old and feeble, feed and nurse them, and build for them, in more quiet places, proper habitations to shield them against the weather until the mad passions of men cool down, and allow the Union and peace once more to settle over your old homes in Atlanta. Yours in haste, W.T. Sherman, Major-General commanding |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Midnightrider on 11/22/12 at 22:48:10 "You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace." Ah Shucks, does that mean I cant blow up Monsanto or Goldman Sachs :-[ |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by srinath on 11/23/12 at 06:59:43 [quote author=53777A707779766A6C777A7B6C1E0 link=1352498539/75#87 date=1353653290]"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace." Ah Shucks, does that mean I cant blow up Monsanto or Goldman Sachs :-[/quote] I think we must make GS eat monsatan's food and Monsatan should hand over their executives pay over to GS to "invest". Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WD on 11/23/12 at 09:09:46 Interesting read Star. We have a New Testament here in our collection of odd stuff. Was taken off a P.O.W. during the Battle of Atlanta. I don't know which side he fought on, the writing (pencil) is rather faded and the book itself is falling apart. But since it came to us from a descendant of a Confederate soldier, best guess is it originally belonged to a Union soldier. We also have a hand written account of the Battle of Shiloh from a Confederate point of view. Lisa's grandmother's grandfather was in the 4th Tennessee, one of the builders of Fort Pillow (neat place, it's just up the road from us), fought at Shiloh, fought at Nashville (where his brother was killed, a member of Forrest's cavalry), was a P.O.W. in a camp in Indiana. Was swapped in a prisoner exchange and became President Davis' personal military courier. Three times a year you'll find a small Confederate flag on his grave. Confederate Memorial Day in late April, Memorial Day and Veteran's Day. I don't know who puts them up, you can't buy that flag around here except at a couple Haji-marts. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 11/23/12 at 15:35:20 That's facinating stuff there WD. I love history and when there is a personal element to a historical event it becomes that much more real and interesting. There is a great short film out (It's in our local library here) called "Echoes of the Blue & Gray" - Civil War Veterans Volume 1 William B. Styple (Director) It contains amazing footage of Civil War veterans that was filmed between 1913 and 1938 at reunions for the the Battle of Gettysburg. Perhaps you can find a copy of it in your neck of the woods. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by WD on 11/23/12 at 18:59:56 The Confederate reunions around here were 2 towns over from our place. Most of the little town historical groups have footage. Lisa's ancestor made it until 1920, he was 89 when he died. My favorite local gun shop has 2 really old guys that hang out as often as they can shake the great grandkids. Both were born in the 1920s to fathers (in their 80s) who had been Confederate soldiers. Both fathers had taken wives who were under 25 years old and had kids by them. They both bring in REAL battle field guns with them, muskets and Griswold revolvers that had belonged to their fathers. Very cool. |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Paraquat on 11/26/12 at 09:31:31 624550435D5857455443310 wrote:
OK! I'm back. I believe a movement is being orchestrated involving the disarming of citizens and the arming of the police force. I know a few articles have been posted here about police getting armored vehicles and extravagant armaments. There shouldn't be any doubt by now we are being dumbed down. I believe it's to make people easier to be controlled. The next step in this process is just to usurp total control. Every time you do it the act becomes easier. You just need an excuse. Martial law was enacted during hurricane Sandy. Quote:
http://www.infowars.com/nyt-on-hurricane-sandy-were-doomed-without-fema-and-big-government/ They already had the power. Why would they want to expand on it? Quote:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/11/hurricane-sandy-martial-law-and-fema-camps-rehearsal-2500808.html Nice blanket statements like that make it real easy to assume control whenever you want. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Paraquat on 12/12/12 at 14:51:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgMx2F41XD0 US Army prepares to invade the U.S. 4 minutes 33 seconds talks about disarming citizens in a time of "national emergency". 6 minutes 40 seconds in describes how the President can circumvent congress and declare a national emergency whenever he (or she; I'm progressive) decides. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 12/12/12 at 18:13:35 ...sigh, how could anyone with common sense, or even a high school education believe in something like this?? This kind of OMG Obama is coming for our guns!!..meme is getting a little stale. It's so dumb that no one north of a psycho would put any credence to it. No comment on it, just keep those dollars and cents coming into the NRA coffers... ;D ;D ;D And don't forget to buy out the gun shops of arms and ammo, the country needs the business... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Paraquat on 12/13/12 at 06:09:27 http://www.goldismoney2.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21205&d=1344552434&thumb=1 http://www.policemag.com/_Images/blogs/M-Dare-Vehicle.jpg http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/jamesfallows/TampaCops.jpg http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQix_6f2M1y5sX-AmkjnL-_qxzDAuQhyd4FDTke2KdjNfVIFmKg1B6IWgX You're probably right. The local police departments have always needed tanks. They must've been under tarps this whole time and that's why no one ever saw them. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Starlifter on 12/14/12 at 23:04:11 Sorry, I don't understand the point your trying to make with these pictures?? |
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Title: Re: Civil War Anyonr? Post by Serowbot on 12/15/12 at 15:49:45 It's a simple fact that a more armed citizenry requires a more armed constabulary... Police aren't paid to fight fair... if they were they'd go home every night looking a bloody mess... :-?... |
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