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Message started by Midnightrider on 01/12/13 at 18:06:43

Title: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by Midnightrider on 01/12/13 at 18:06:43

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/important-gun-violence-video-to-share-with-friends/

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/15/13 at 08:53:13

Well,, thats just not important to watch at all. It doesnt support the need to hyperventilate & grab your chest & collapse into a corner out of fear.
It Does show how easily & well the masses can be lined up into a chorus & have the majority of them singing the same tune about the horrible violence in our society ( REgardless of the fact that over the last 20 years its down by 50%) & how we need to get those nasty assault weapon rifles out of the hands of the people ( In spite of the fact that fewer than 4% of the gun deaths are from rifles).
You people dont think for yourselves & have no grasp of what freedom is or what made America great, nor does it seem youre able to see where we are headed as a society. We are headed into dark times if the people dont wake up. Laying our guns down is a Very Bad idea.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by Midnightrider on 01/17/13 at 19:04:37

Laying our guns down a bad idea? It worked wonderfully in Austrailia. Last statisyics I heard was crime rate was up 38% since the law abiding Austrailian citizens turned in their guns.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by Paraquat on 01/18/13 at 06:13:21

082C212B2C222D31372C212037450 wrote:

Laying our guns down a bad idea? It worked wonderfully in Austrailia. Last statisyics I heard was crime rate was up 38% since the law abiding Austrailian citizens turned in their guns.

Let's not forget Australia started as a prison colony.

I like how everyone looks at guns as the cause and not a symptom. If we ban guns then murders will stop, right?
Guns are the reason people want to kill other people.

--Steve

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by srinath on 01/18/13 at 13:39:35

Australia has had an extremely low gun crime rate for years and years.
Crime is up mainly recession and in-discrimate open door immigration being the main culprits ... however gun crime is still very very low.

However australia has something we can at best dream of ...

Yes 1000 miles of ocean in any direction.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/21/13 at 05:03:08

PLenty of clear stats to look at. Cities where guns are illegal = high crime.
Florida opened the door to self defense ( wanna say in the 90's), tourists stopped getting mugged. La. opened the door to self defense, in a month, car jackings were passe'.
The media hypes every tragedy & slips quietly past "Mom & kids hide in crawlspace, armed, shoot intruders & live"..
They WANT our guns & theres a reason. They KNOW the economy is gonna crash & the criminals at the top do NOT want the people armed.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by Paraquat on 01/21/13 at 06:13:28

6F7076716C6B5A6A5A62707C37050 wrote:

The new currency will not be gold, or canned goods, but can openers.
I realized last night I only have two can openers. If one breaks I have a back up but if that breaks I'm going to have to knife open a can.

If the dollar gets much worse it will happen. People will riot and kill each other in Stop and Shop for a can of corn.

Hopefully the government will swoop in and disarm everyone like they did during Katrina.

--Steve

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by 12Bravo on 01/21/13 at 06:23:41

6F5E4D5E4E4A5E4B3F0 wrote:

Hopefully the government will swoop in and disarm everyone like they did during Katrina.

--Steve

Most states soon passed laws prohibiting gun confiscation during natural disasters after Katrina. The reasons behind such laws was so that people could defend themselves from looters since the police would be busy.

It has been ruled by the Supreme Court that is NOT the police's job to protect citizens. You are on your own.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by srinath on 01/21/13 at 12:00:56

243B3D3A2720112111293B377C4E0 wrote:

Cities where guns are illegal = target practice with people as targets. Cos in the next town you can reload.
It wont work on a city by city level. It has to be nationwide.
It wont work immediately. It has a squeeze out period.
It wont affect the mom shoots intruder story.

It has to be implemented now, so gun nuts will lock up their bullets.
I found a bunch of 38's yesterday I didn't even know I had. I think my wife put it there.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/22/13 at 09:34:06

HEY,,SRINATH,, The GUNS Stay YOU can leave.,
Read the Constitution, read my other posts,
Do YOu Understand WHY the Second amendment exists? Do you know what it says?

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by Starlifter on 01/22/13 at 17:55:03

"Do YOu Understand WHY the Second amendment exists? Do you know what it says?"JOG

I'm sorry JOG, but I must ask YOU the same question...

This is in Article I, Section 8: Powers of Congress

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress...

We all know that the Second Amendment says this:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

If Article I says the government shall be responsible for organizing and arming the Militia, which means among other things deciding what guns the Militia should have, and the Second Amendment says that this Militia is necessary to the security of a free State.

Does it then not follow that the government can decide it should not be equipped with weapons like Bushmasters and AK-47s?

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by LANCER on 01/23/13 at 03:36:57

1B3C293A24212E3C2D3A480 wrote:

You should look at what the founders said about these things. The wrote clearly that the purpose for securing the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms was to protect themselves from an over reaching government...from tyranny. If the federal gov't wants the "State Militia's" to help in time of need then the fed is obligated to foot the bill for that service. That is the way it works. It has nothing to do with the PEOPLE having the right to keep and bear their own arms. Don't forget the end of the sentence ...this right "shall not be infringed" and that means the fed. gov't has no power to touch it.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/23/13 at 11:16:35

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[8]

State is not capitalized.. Soooo,, it doesnt Mean a Free State, as in State of the Union, it means state, as in state of H2O when Hot is steam, when cold is ice & when at room temp, is water,, A free state, as in Freedom for the People.,

& Regulate has been maligned into meaning Regulated, as in Micro Managed.. By the Feds.. Not so..

Remember , this was Written By People who had seen tyranny & were fighting against it & wanted to protect the People FROM a tyrannical government, It would, therefor, be ridiculous to believe they were giving Back to the goobs power over the Arms of the People..

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by srinath on 01/23/13 at 11:25:58

514E484F52556454645C4E42093B0 wrote:

Dude dont selectively quote the second amendment.

The whole wording is about a militia and no military in times of peace.

Since we have a massive military machine, that need for militia is null and void.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/23/13 at 12:10:25

Really? What about POssee Commitatus?

& didnt the C say the Military was to be Raised for war, not always kept?

& DO explain how
The Right of the People to Keep & Bear Arms is dissolved somewhere,

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by Starlifter on 01/23/13 at 13:52:29

"Really? What about POssee Commitatus?"

So what about it?

The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction and was updated in 1981. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of Federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce the State laws.

The Act, § 15 of the appropriations bill for the Army for 1879, found at 20 Stat. 152, was a response to, and subsequent prohibition of, the military occupation by U.S. Army troops of the former Confederate States during the ten years of Reconstruction (1867–1877) following the American Civil War (1861–1865). The U.S. withdrew federal troops from Southern states as a result of a compromise in 1876.

Surely you're running low on "Boogy Men" by now...Such paranoia.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by srinath on 01/23/13 at 18:11:07

26393F3825221323132B39357E4C0 wrote:

Really? What about POssee Commitatus?

& didnt the C say the Military was to be Raised for war, not always kept?

& DO explain how
The Right of the People to Keep & Bear Arms is dissolved somewhere,

The second amendment says in times of peace military is too $$$ and whatever ... so we need a armed militia to fight off an armed invasion. So dont cling to the second amendment as a reason you need to be armed. Its not for national defense ... its for you shooting yourself or your neighbor.

An armed invasion ... really ... if any of em make it across the atlantic ... I think we can worry about fighting them then.

BTW @ the time it was written, canada and the british were a threat.
Now canada is the 51st state, and falls in line behind washington better than California or most of the west coast.

Read the whole second amendment. I have ... in fact webster posted it pretty recently.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/27/13 at 10:55:56

Ive read it, I understand it. I understand the commerce clause, too,
That you Believe you understand something doesnt impress me. I knew the NDAA applied to The People long before the rest of you did. I knew what Nafta would do before it was made law. If you didnt see NDAA applied to US & if you didnt see what Nafta would do ( you mite be too young) then, well,, People who didnt read NDAA & "Get It" should have enough class to limit their opinions until someone like me tells them what to think..

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by srinath on 01/27/13 at 11:27:48

3D2224233E3908380830222E65570 wrote:

But see JOG - its very obvious that you are biased. Much like Ann Coulther ... very smart articulate but biased.
Its like asking Ellen Degenerate if you should be Ghey. You'll get a whole lot of ramble ramble ... all of it very biased.

NAFTA was always viewed very unfavorably by a lot of people, that you didn't like it dont make you some sort of elusive genius. However trade barriers were never going to work, nafta just prefers to drop the barrier to our neighbors first. Now Nafta is mainly used to dump US subsidised grain surplus onto mexico, and the jobs which went to mexico have long gone to china. It hurt US from 1995 - 2003-2004, past which its hurting mexico. Its a switcheroo we've pulled on them. But in the first few years, Nafta was considered bad for unions, bad for nearly every aspect of american business.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/30/13 at 05:31:33

I live in amazement at people who would ARGUE for their chains. Fine, be slaves..,

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by srinath on 01/30/13 at 16:28:23

445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:

I live in amazement at people who would ARGUE for their chains. Fine, be slaves..,

Yea so you say ...

The industrial complexes of the world have taken away your freedom, your money and your health and everything else. You already are in chains.
You'd be armed and in chains if the gun industrial complex had its way.
You'd be in debt and in chains if the financial lobby had its way.
You'd be drugged and in chains if the pharmaceutical lobby had its way.
You'd be unhealthy and in chains if the food industry had its way ...

You're complaining about the chains of the govt, the rest have done that and more.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by srinath on 01/30/13 at 16:47:57

What I mean is - in terms you'd understand.

You want the freedom to eat GMO corn without government intervention.
I want the govt to intervene and regulate them so that they have to write on the box "GMO corn".

OK that makes sense.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/30/13 at 17:40:42

The goobs make it impossible for me to NOT eat GMO corn. Youre so messed up in the head, its impossible to talk to you..

I could sit & have a beer with so many here, but you? Nope,,

I wish you could have your place & the government of your choice & I could have mine. The people where I lived would prosper & be free & have the power to halt the corporations. Your people would die,enslaved

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by houstonbofh on 01/30/13 at 19:21:16

10110A0D02170B630 wrote:

I want the govt to intervene and regulate them so that they have to write on the box "GMO corn".

Oh CRAP! I just agreed with something srinath said! Something is seriously wrong here! Perhaps I just misunderstood it... ;)

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by srinath on 01/31/13 at 11:38:48

7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:

You see if the govt made it mandatory to label GMO as GMO ... there will be a few companies who decide to charge you more for non GMO.

Then you have spent more, but you have your corn as non GMO - JOG.

Like I said ... big corps have taken your $$$, your freedom and your health (in case of the GMO corn) ... the govt could give 1 of those back to you.

Only a fool takes the side of Corporation over Govt.
We need govt to rein in corporations. Corporations need to do as the people want.

We will rein in govt after that.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by srinath on 01/31/13 at 11:42:49

2E2933353229282429202E460 wrote:

[quote author=10110A0D02170B630 link=1358042803/15#21 date=1359593277]I want the govt to intervene and regulate them so that they have to write on the box "GMO corn".

Oh CRAP! I just agreed with something srinath said! Something is seriously wrong here! Perhaps I just misunderstood it... ;)[/quote]

Hey I am just repeating one of the greatest thinkers of our time and you're just agreeing with it ...
John McCain once said "The scariest sentence in the english language is `I'm here from a big corporation and I'm here to help you`" ...

OK OK He may have said Govt ... but it works better this way ... it sounds better with govt but more true with Big corporation.

BTW big corporations are awful in every country. Not just in the US. Even countries with a very loved govt has evil corporations.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by Starlifter on 01/31/13 at 16:53:31

We are now the "United Corporations of America."

Yeah, get the "goobs" out of our lives. Get em' out of the meat inspection business, disband the EPA, there's nothing like the smell of smog in the morning. Pure food & drug administration? Screw em'. We trust that the pharmaceutical companies know what's good for us. Air traffic control? Who needs it, disband the FAA.

Libertarians? disband the fire dept. everybody buy a hose. Police dept.? everyone buy a gun. This will truly set us free.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/01/13 at 11:23:59

You use strawmen to hate thru. PISS on you. YOu have no idea what Libertarian IS.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by Starlifter on 02/01/13 at 11:45:58

"PISS on you."

...wrong side of the bed this morning JOG? ::)

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by Midnightrider on 02/03/13 at 16:19:44

The 2nd ammendment is to protect us from tyranny. Assault rifles have been outlawed for many many years and wisely so. Whats out there now are video game look alike guns. The only thing different about them and hunting rifles are the magazines. I could see where a rancher or a varmint shooter out west might want a large magazine. If you live in a bad neighborhood you could use a large magazine. Telling me I cant own a cetain type of semi automatic rifle is tyranny.Telling me I cant have a large magazine or a pistol grip on my rifle is tyranny. You cant outlaw evil or mental ilness. We have guns to protect us from it and rightfully so. Every now and then some punk is gonna go batsh!t crazy and kill people. Taking away our guns will only make it worse. We'll have no protection.

Title: Re: What The Media Is Not Telling You
Post by Midnightrider on 02/03/13 at 17:46:49

595843444B5E422A0 wrote:

[quote author=26393F3825221323132B39357E4C0 link=1358042803/0#14 date=1358971825]Really? What about POssee Commitatus?

& didnt the C say the Military was to be Raised for war, not always kept?

& DO explain how
The Right of the People to Keep & Bear Arms is dissolved somewhere,