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Title: What to do with Iran? Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 01/28/13 at 11:56:51 I cannot believe that any thinking person isn't scared sh!tless over what Iran has done recently. Does anyone believe that they are not pursuing a nuclear weapon? Now that they have shown the world that they have a missile capable of putting a monkey in space, it's obvious that they either have, or are very close to having, a delivery vehicle. So, what does the civilized world do about this rogue state? Do we continue to talk, and pretend that they aren't a real threat to humanity, like Chamberlain did with Hitler prior to WW II? Or, do we organize the civilized countries at risk - U.S., France, Great Britain, Israel, Turkey and others, and just level the place in a premptory strike, or wait till they kill thousands, or hundreds of thousands, and then have a much more costly war with them? |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Starlifter on 01/28/13 at 12:13:21 It's Israel's problem. Let them deal with it. We already have too many irons in the fire. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 01/28/13 at 12:34:29 Star - While it may be Israel's direct problem, the politics and international relations implications are immense if Iran were to attack Israel. It's kind of like saying that Hitler was Poland's problem in 1939. That's were Hitler struck first, but certainly they weren't the end of the story. Rogue states have to be dealt with eventually. And putting it off only worsens the eventual outcome for everyone. To me, it's like ignoring a cancer in its earliest stages - a simple operation now to cut out the tumor, or let it grow until it becomes a fatal illness. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by srinath on 01/28/13 at 13:05:33 3A35393338353E323522373522500 wrote:
Yes Jerry, and we will have done something about it if we weren't in 2 wars under false pretenses so thingy Cheney's old company could mint $$$. So there, as soon as we go back to the troop level where we have rested and ready troops and the funding approved by congress with all the right information we can work on Iran. You know why Bush attacked Iraq instead of Iran right ? yes there was a typo in the report he read ... I mean colored in ... apparently ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by bill67 on 01/28/13 at 13:32:36 If GWB hadn't of bombed Iraq,Iraq would have taken care of Iran.If Russia couldn't beat Afghanistan,Why did GWB thing he could. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 01/28/13 at 14:03:05 Bill - That is totally non-responsive. What do we do NOW? Forget 2003. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by LostArtist on 01/28/13 at 15:01:44 I'm more scared of N. Korea |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 01/28/13 at 15:17:09 LA - I don't poo-poo North Korea as a threat, but the country is literally starving. There is some good intelligence out there that parts of the country are engaging in cannibalism. N. Korea has a history of blowing its horn to get concessions like food aid, from the West. Iran is another story - on a mission to destroy Israel and secualr Arab countries in the region. Since the Middle East is such a global powder keg, I would suggest we deal with Iran first, let N. Korea see what happens to a rogue state, and then deal with N. Korea if we must. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by bill67 on 01/28/13 at 15:43:57 Jerry why doesn't Russia have a problem with Iran and North Korea. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Starlifter on 01/28/13 at 15:55:10 ...or say..Iceland?? |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Midnightrider on 01/28/13 at 15:55:34 Lets blow up our neigbors house because we think he might try to hurt the people down the street. The rumor is he has WMD. By the way old people we cant afford your Social Security checks this month. Its costing a lot more to rebuild Iraq than thingy Cheyneys quote. WE cant rebuild the bridge that fell last month because Paul Ryan wants to give the wealthy a tax cut to stimulate the economy. Its gonna cost a lot of money to build the bomb so lets lay off some school teachers. That crack in the dam will hold a couple more years while we build some more drones. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Starlifter on 01/28/13 at 16:01:06 "I don't poo-poo North Korea as a threat, but the country is literally starving. There is some good intelligence out there that parts of the country are engaging in cannibalism."JE <snip> "North Korea Cannibalism Reports Emerge Amid Food Shortage, Famine." A source said: "While his wife was away on business he killed his eldest daughter and, because his son saw what he had done, he killed his son as well." "When the wife came home, he offered her food, saying: 'We have meat.'" "But his wife, suspicious, notified the Ministry of Public Security, which led to the discovery of part of their children's bodies under the eaves." (Under the eaves?? Oh good God give me a break.) Another Asia Press' journalist said: "There was an incident when a man was arrested for digging up the grave of his grandchild and eating the remains." (Nothing like rotting grandchildren for dinner eh?) The big question here is whether this is all true or new urban myths. Considering this is North Korea, we will certainly never hear it from them. Ya know, just because it's on the "innertubes" don't mean it's true. ...and if that IS true, let us send them food...not bombs. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by houstonbofh on 01/28/13 at 16:04:50 75515C56515F504C4A515C5D4A380 wrote:
So you would not call the police about the rock house at the end of the street? |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Serowbot on 01/28/13 at 16:58:28 I think we should send Iran another computer virus that destroys all their WMD making stuff... ...and I'll bet there's one already set to go, just waiting for the time it will do the most damage... Nobody knew about the first one we sent,... and nobody's gonna' hear we have another one ready... It'll just happen... Just like last time... ... and all will be well, once again... (all their computers are supposedly secured, and "off line",.. but, someone will bring it in on a flash or something)... (we just gotta' bribe one guy, with a million dollars, or a new Ipod or something)... ;D... You gotta' know this is being worked on,... 5 hackers with a keyboard are mightier than a thousand man army... ;)... |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Trippah on 01/28/13 at 18:23:59 Why don't we put some anti-missle batteries in and around the gulf states, and let Iraq know the next missle they fire as a test we will react like its aimed at us- shoot it down and then nuke the area ( mountain) they are doing the work in; although frankly nuking the entirety of the middle east from the Anatolian border around to the Pakistan/Indian Border might be a better option. If no one likes that, lets move the UN headquarters from NY City to Jerusalem so all the interested parties can be one with that place. Then the UN might get motivated to do its job. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by WebsterMark on 01/28/13 at 18:54:38 Jerry why doesn't Russia have a problem with Iran and North Korea. ...or say..Iceland?? Because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by srinath on 01/28/13 at 19:57:30 437176676071665975667F140 wrote:
Dude ... we the US are the only ones to have enemies. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Midnightrider on 01/29/13 at 10:58:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nG_u9TbzRwA We're on the verge of a civil war over the 2nd amendmendment. No one is taking my guns peacefully. We can turn Iran into a piece of glass anytime we want to. There's nothing to worry about. Its time we straightened out our own country. Gun laws will not protect anyone, lack of guns will cause more killings. All the wars during my lifetime have acomplished absolutely nothing. I was born during the Korean war. Take out one communist dictator and he just gets replaced with another, all the while our own country is going straight to hell. We havent even begin to pay for Bush's lying ass wars and its not time to start another one. Its time to straighten out our own problems and get our own house back in order. Israel is a big girl and she can take care of herself. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Midnightrider on 01/29/13 at 16:19:15 Does anyone know what a petrodollar is. Back years ago, I think it was 1973 Opec agreed to be paid in American Dollars in trade for American protection. OpEC called it Petrodollars Chna is mining and buying all the gold reserves they can get their hands on. They produce more gold than any country on earth and they're importing more gold than any other country. They're buying oil wells in Latin America, Africa and Russia. They're buying coal mines in Russia. They're buying various metal mines in Latin America. They're planning on doing something that hasnt been done in over 30 years. Creating a precious metal backed currency, the yuan. Iran, Iraq, Lybia and Russia are were in with them on it. If they convince OPEC to accept the yuan instead of the US Dollar which everyone knows is worth nothing it will be WW3 but not a shot will be fired. The Us economy will completely collapse. I know we're their biggest customer but they will create middle classes in all the countrys they deal with and their will still be a market for their manufactured goods. Thats why W lied about WMD's. Thats why they're trying to get you stirred up about Iran.Thats why we took out Kadafi.If Opec starts accepting the Yuan we're economically demolished, period. No one refuses to try to control the Federal Reserve, ya see what Kennedy's silver certificate got him. Our only hope is to demolish the Federal Reserve and follow China's lead and start backing our money with something besides a promise we cant keep. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Starlifter on 01/29/13 at 18:05:52 Indeed, let us get our own house in order before we engage in the folly of further military adventures...Have we not spent enough blood and treasure on these foolish wars?? |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by srinath on 01/29/13 at 19:24:46 16323F35323C332F29323F3E295B0 wrote:
OK finally someone posts a real reason why we cant run up debt. And it is ... well plausible. However you have to realise, chinese dont trust china's govt with their currency. China is polluting the world, yes, but they are polluting themselves 10X worse. They may be buying gold and backing up their yuan, but you realise their govt will print the yuan to capitalise themselves right. We hae crony capitalism, they have it 1000 times ours. We will have to watch china closely, and china is strip mining the world, australia, south america etc etc, but I would also conclude they are going through an industrialisation. They are 4 X our population and under just under 4 1/2 our population density. They may just be trying to get resources they need. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 01/30/13 at 06:45:36 Star - I guess we'll agree to disagree - I view Iran as the biggest global threat to civilization. I said back in 2003 that Iraq was the wrong target - we should have invaded Iran then. These Iranians are bent on the destruction of Israel, and the killing of all other infidels. They are as dangerous as Hitler was. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/30/13 at 11:53:11 & I disagree, Jerry. The"Quote" of The Dinner Jacket has been proven a lie, over & over. Iran has a less hostile posture than anyone else over there. Re: Petrodollar One further point, they had to agree to use a %age of those dollars to buy T bills. Now that the Fed is buying its own T-Bills ( The economic equivalent of YOU writing up a paper & loaning yourself a few billion dollars), we will see the demise of the value of the dollar at a rate previously unheard of. As nations cease to Use dollars in their trade, those dollars will come home, inflation will result. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by srinath on 01/30/13 at 16:23:34 2D3234332E2918281820323E75470 wrote:
Correct it will "result" but it has not yet and may not for a long time to come. It was more likely in 2007 than 2013. (Y'know when the Bushies were driving the drain) yea then. So y'all kept your mouth shut when interest rates were 4-5% and now complain when its 2%. Get real, your rhetoric is politically motivated. Plain and simple. As it stands right now, that is not on the horizon ... and we have steep deflation in durable goods, and slight inflation in consumables. This stays that way, we will have no problem for the rest of our lives, and most everyone alive's lives. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/30/13 at 17:37:33 Dear Srinath, YOU, sir, were not even HERE when I was dragging Bush around & calling him a criminal, so, SHOVE your calling me a liar or "biased" against Bammy. Both Sides SUCK. I have exactly Zero political motivation for my criticisms of anyone. I operate on a strict Constitutional platform & Right & Wrong is how I call it. I am a Libertarian by nature. I was a Libertarian before I even knew what it was. Its just who I am. I never found myself able to support either party. The game of "It was okay when your guy did it" is very destructive to America & very juvenile. That you would play it is certainly no shock to me. If it was bad when Bush did it, its bad now. We WILL see painful inflation. Its as sure as falling if one jumps off a building. Everything to create it has been done & is continuing to be done. The Fed is buying up 40 BILLION dollars worth of Mortgage Based debt every MONTH!,, Guess who is now the owner of many, many home loans? What happens if they decide to call the notes? You guys see the world as if it is operated by people who live their lives ruled by the same moral compass you live by. Not So. The people who have managed to get to the top of the pile dont love us. They love whats written on the Georgia Guidestones., Theyre eugenicists, like Bill Gates. "If we do a real good job with these vaccines, we can halt the population growth".. & you guys somehow manage to hear that & believe that means something other than what it says,, |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by houstonbofh on 01/30/13 at 19:18:52 Why do libs always assume that conservatives liked or supported Bush? We hated him then even more than they did. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by ZAR on 01/30/13 at 20:04:09 67405546585D52405146340 wrote:
I believe differently Star. As a Christian I believe it is the duty of all Christians to stand by Israel. The Satanists or Athiests among you can disagree and that's fine,believe as you will. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Serowbot on 01/30/13 at 21:29:35 43445E585F444549444D432B0 wrote:
Then, WTF did you guys vote for him?... It wasn't liberals that put him in office... PS... seriously,.. does nobody expect that Israel and the US, ain't working to get a computer virus into Iran?... All it takes is one weak link among the employees loyalty... In such a large operation,.. someone must be coercible... Even Hitler had his detractors amongst the German people... There are sensible people in Iran that know,.. a nuclear program will be a death sentence for them... Many Iranians are very progressive and liberal (most likely even more so amongst the educated, scientific community, that were western educated)... it is only the Muslim, conservative faction of the people that are causing the problem... Viral computer warfare can take down a country/regime, or weapons program, without casualties... In fact,.. it can happen without their knowledge of being attacked at all... For 5,000 years,.. an army, ran on it's stomach... Now,.. it runs on information... The first thing we do now, in war,... is block communications, disable radar,... and isolate the enemy from command... |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by WebsterMark on 01/31/13 at 04:39:27 Then, WTF did you guys vote for him?... It wasn't liberals that put him in office... Two words: Al Gore. But you're right on the other point about other methods of attack. I'm pretty sure the US and Israel are both working on E-warfare. As far as the general population of Iran and what they think; who knows? There were plenty of German detractors of Hitlers but that didn't stop them from killing millions; same with Japan. We had a little opening when Iran had large protest a couple years ago. Remember that woman who bled to death while someone filmed it? Hindsight is 20/20, but i hope we don't live to regret the fact we didn't use that as a jumping off point to gain more favor with the general population and press them to continue until they toss the little short pri*k out on his ear. Problem is, like all those states over there, who moves in to fill the vacuum? |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by WebsterMark on 01/31/13 at 05:28:51 Jerry why doesn't Russia have a problem with Iran and North Korea. The regional officials said Israel had been planning in the days leading up to the airstrike to hit a convoy of trucks shipping weapons bound for the Islamist militant group Hezbollah in Lebanon. They said the shipment included sophisticated, Russian-made SA-17 anti-aircraft missiles, which would be strategically "game-changing" in the hands of Hezbollah. i think we have our answer to that question.... It's 7:30 AM CST where I'm at today (Sioux City Iowa where it's 3 below freaking zero....) and I wonder what will happen in the Middle East by this time tomorrow.... There are incidents like this from time to time, but I always think that one time, one of these, is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and all hell is going to break loose. Let's hope not. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Midnightrider on 01/31/13 at 09:46:32 445F4C1E0 wrote:
I believe differently Star. As a Christian I believe it is the duty of all Christians to stand by Israel. The Satanists or Athiests among you can disagree and that's fine,believe as you will. [/quote] The 12 Tribes of Irael referred to in the Bible died out hundreds of years ago. They crossbred, died in Germany, they no longer beleve in the same bible we do. They're a whole different religion than Christianity. They're big boys and girls,they can take care of themselves. Our bank account says we cant. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by bill67 on 01/31/13 at 13:51:33 544F5C0E0 wrote:
I believe differently Star. As a Christian I believe it is the duty of all Christians to stand by Israel. The Satanists or Athiests among you can disagree and that's fine,believe as you will. [/quote] What has Israel ever none for us, We give them money and weapons.I think they are the worlds biggest problem and have been for years. They would cheat their own mother.I am a Angelist. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Starlifter on 01/31/13 at 16:13:15 Satanists??? Holey Cow!...whom among us are Satanists?? We need to know this vital information!! :o |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by LANCER on 02/01/13 at 14:54:26 As a Christian I believe it is the duty of all Christians to stand by Israel. GOD says, "I will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel". GOD always gets HIS way. If we turn away from Israel we are toast. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by bill67 on 02/01/13 at 15:37:35 What did god say about the American Indians. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by ZAR on 02/01/13 at 19:03:26 0B2C392A34313E2C3D2A580 wrote:
Star just watch the pictures....I've seen a few scoots with "666" on them here. Since 666 has been universally accepted as the number of the devil I can only assume the old line of "if it walks like a duck......" |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by ZAR on 02/01/13 at 19:07:33 454E4B4B1110270 wrote:
Bill since America was not a country during Biblical times it's not covered in the Bible,and God has never seen fit to give me a personal message on that subject. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by srinath on 02/01/13 at 20:10:25 7F7471712B2A1D0 wrote:
American Injuns are like regular Injuns, No tolerance for alcohol. Seriously, no built up generations of drinking ... 2 and we're out. Yea I dunno what ... just throwing it out there. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by LANCER on 02/02/13 at 04:04:56 2D26232379784F0 wrote:
God said He loves everyone, including the indians of which I am a part, and wants them to come to a SAVING knowledge of Jesus Christ. And that includes you too, Bill. It is easy to do. Admit to God that you are sinful (not perfect). From your heart ask Him to forgive you and come into your heart and save you. If you do that from your heart, He will come in. It WILL change your life for the better. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by mpescatori on 02/02/13 at 10:46:53 58555A5751460603340 wrote:
I have read many words written in alarming tones, and many words written in hate, but only one of all the ones I have read really alarms me. Allow me to be rational: 1) We, the western world, are in no way obliged to back a nation whose government openly and plainly supports and applies apartheid as THE LAW; there are four castes in Israel: white Jews; black Jews (i.e. from Ethiopia or Morocco); Palestinian Christians; Palestinian Muslims. Note, this apartheid is not based on ethnicity, because ALL Christians and Muslims living in Israel have been legitimately living there for the last 2000 years; but only 10% of the Jewish population can be traced to the Jews living in Palestine up to the 1930's. Source, Genetics Research done by many, many universities. 2) We, the western world, are NOT in any danger from Iran, any more than we are from Abkhazian separatists or whatever; the real issue is that someone is convinced only HIS Nation is entitled to WMD, not because said nation is benign to the world but simpy because it had the money to develop it 70 years agom and to USE IT to win a war. To the eyes of world opinion, bad precedent... 3) How many of you know an Iranian ? How many of you know anything at all about Iran ? I know quite a few, there's a large Iranian community here in Rome, many left when the Shah was inh power, others fled when Khomeini took power... yet nobody gets shot in a dark alley by the secret police... From what I can tell you, the Iranians living in Italy can regularly go back to their home city, spend the summer holidays there, and come back to Italy without any hassle. IF there was such an extremist regime, they would never dare go, for fear of never coming back. What I CAN tell you, is that 80%+ of Iranians can't wait for Ahmedinejad to finish his second term and get the H3LL outtathere, because THEY know he got his second term by rigging the elections... Incidentally, nobody in Europe still understands how Al Gore lost to GWB when Al Gore got the majority of people's votes... 4) You guys want to invade Iran ! SURE ! GO AHEAD ! They are baaad guys, see how close they put their Country to all your military bases in the Middle east and Afghanistan ? You know what's going to happen ? Allow me to prophetise: "And lo, the Imperial Eagle spread its wings and flew east, to the rising sun, and tried to grasp the fire in its talons; but the talons smote not the fire, and the fire did burneth the talons, and the wings of the eagle, and the eagle fell and was destroyed" Do you feel I am talking about the USA ? NO ! I am telling you of when THE ONE military empire that ruuled the Mediterranean tried to cross Mesopotamia to seize Persia, and failed. ROME. The English took Mesopotamia but were repelled by the Persians. The French tried to take Russia and failed. The Germans tried to take Russia and failed. The Russians tried to take Afghanistan and failed. The Americans tried to take Afghanistan and failed (only Kabul is safe, you know...) The Romans tried to take Persia and failed. The British tried to take Persdia and failed. The Americans... never mind trying to take someone your size. You may bomb them, but occupying the nation? Ain't gonna happen... no matter what your preacher tells you on Sunday. And, Lancer, modern Israel IS NOT te Lord's chosen people, You and I are. Else, we're both of the wrong religion. Think about it. Modern Israel is NOT King Solomon's Israel. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Midnightrider on 02/02/13 at 11:17:29 I saw a chart the other day. My figures might be off a liitle from my bad memory but I'm close enough. Say your salary is $21,000 a year. Your credit card debt is $165,000. Thats the financial shape we're in. If its not to late we had better start taking care of ourselves and quit worrying about the reat of the world. Why do you think Fema, Social Security and all these goverment agencies are loading up on ammo? Our money is not going to be worth the paper its printed on while China's gold backed Yuan is going to take over the world. The goverment is going to raid the retirement plans and they're getting ready for a civil war. They want our guns and our retirement. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by LANCER on 02/02/13 at 16:05:04 Quote:
Yes, we are chosen individually by God, but that does not change the fact that God says that the nation of Israel is chosen by Him. When Jesus returns it will be to Jerusalem, a very special place to Him. As the time draws near for His return, the events in the world center around Israel. The final battle will be in the Valley of Megiddo, as I'm sure you are aware. He chose that location for a reason. The quote I wrote above, about the blessing and curse, was said to the Jewish people, which is the Jewish nation. That promise by God still stands. It has nothing to do with politics or that modern Israel is not like it was in King Davids or Solomon's time, it is God's will. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by bill67 on 02/02/13 at 18:45:12 Jesus will return to Africa,That was were the first man and women began,Not the Garden of Eden in Iraq.Even tho God wanted the Africans to be slaves they are his chosen people. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by WebsterMark on 02/02/13 at 19:11:57 I have read many words written in alarming tones, and many words written in hate, but only one of all the ones I have read really alarms me. Allow me to be rational: 1) We, the western world, are in no way obliged to back a nation whose government openly and plainly supports and applies apartheid as THE LAW; there are four castes in Israel: white Jews; black Jews (i.e. from Ethiopia or Morocco); Palestinian Christians; Palestinian Muslims. Note, this apartheid is not based on ethnicity, because ALL Christians and Muslims living in Israel have been legitimately living there for the last 2000 years; but only 10% of the Jewish population can be traced to the Jews living in Palestine up to the 1930's. Source, Genetics Research done by many, many universities. Then I suppose the western world is not obliged to back India, Taiwan, Japan, or your country of Italy. 2) We, the western world, are NOT in any danger from Iran, any more than we are from Abkhazian separatists or whatever; the real issue is that someone is convinced only HIS Nation is entitled to WMD, not because said nation is benign to the world but simpy because it had the money to develop it 70 years agom and to USE IT to win a war. To the eyes of world opinion, bad precedent... No, the US is entitled because we’ve proven over the years we do not and would not use WMD for territorial gain. If we did, you’d be speaking English right now. We rebuilt Japan and set her free. You are being unbelievable naive and foolish if you think it is fair to compare the US to Iran. Wait for the next big earthquake to devastate Italy and see how long until Iran shows up to help dig out survivors… 3) How many of you know an Iranian ? How many of you know anything at all about Iran ? I know quite a few, there's a large Iranian community here in Rome, many left when the Shah was inh power, others fled when Khomeini took power... yet nobody gets shot in a dark alley by the secret police... From what I can tell you, the Iranians living in Italy can regularly go back to their home city, spend the summer holidays there, and come back to Italy without any hassle. IF there was such an extremist regime, they would never dare go, for fear of never coming back. What I CAN tell you, is that 80%+ of Iranians can't wait for Ahmedinejad to finish his second term and get the H3LL outtathere, because THEY know he got his second term by rigging the elections... Incidentally, nobody in Europe still understands how Al Gore lost to GWB when Al Gore got the majority of people's votes... Again, comparing the two nations is not even realistic. You’re not even going to begin a comparison between European politics and the US are you?... I’ve met a few Iranians and worked with one. However, the ones we meet are not the extremists that have some influence in Iran. Those guys don’t exactly take vacations in Italy you know… That’s like saying the Americans you meet in Paris visiting the Effie Tower are representatives of inner city street gangs and they don’t seem so bad…. Here's something to consider as the truth. All cultures are not equal. How they interact with the world defines their worth. 4) You guys want to invade Iran ! SURE ! GO AHEAD ! They are baaad guys, see how close they put their Country to all your military bases in the Middle east and Afghanistan ? Not sure what you mean here. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by LANCER on 02/03/13 at 02:49:24 72797C7C2627100 wrote:
When/where did God tell you that Bill ? |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by Midnightrider on 02/03/13 at 08:32:37 Its a one hell of a coincedence (sorry Webster) that every country that wants to pay OPEC with gold or the Yuan has or is developing weapons of mass destruction. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by bill67 on 02/03/13 at 08:41:03 4449464B4D5A1A1F280 wrote:
When/where did God tell you that Bill ?[/quote] God has never told anyone anything,God didn't write the Bible.The Bible was written by men.Men also said Iraq had WMD.So you can't believe everything men say. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by mpescatori on 02/03/13 at 09:15:57 WebsterMark, your views are as ignorant and snotty as those of a princess who's been living in her ivory tower all her life. What makes you think YOU are "the western world"? For starters, "western thought" originated in the "Graeco-Roman Empire". I say "Graeco-Roman" because, although ancient Greece and Rome were really contemporaries, up until the conquest of Greece by Rome, the general philosophy comes from Greek philosophers, but was distributed throughout the known world (Europe) bt the Romans. YOU, Webstermark, speak a language which is borrowed (English) use political symbols which are borrowed (the Roman Eagle on your Quarter, the Roman Fascii on the Dime, the Graeco-Roman temples on the Nickel and penny, Presidential Memorials built according to Graeco-Roman style and architecture) even your legal system is based on Roman Law ! What do you think you can teach me ? ZILCH ! When I pointed out my disagreement to Lancer's words, it is not because I disagree with Lancer as a man, but because I disagree with a philosophical current of thought which insists that "Israel is the Lord's chosen place". I once read an essay by a contemporary jewish historian, who pointed out the 12 resons why the modern State of Israel (SI) is not the "Kingdom of Israel" (KI)as mentioned in the Scriptures (you are aware of the importance of the symbolism of "12" to the Jews?): 1. SI is a Republic, KI was a Monarchy 2. SI The Head of State is elected by his peers, in KI the King was anointed by the Prophet 3. SI The land was granted by the United Kingdom, KI the Land was granted by God through military conquest (Books of Exodus and Joshua) 4. SI has one people of multiple origins, mostly European; KI was organized into 12 Tribes of Abramitic (Semite) origin 5. SI is divided into 6 Provinces; KI was divided in 11 Provinces (one to each Tribe), with the Levites acting as Deacons in the land 6. SI has a mix of Sepharidic and Hassidic culture; KI was Caananite all lthe way. 7. SI has the capital city in TelAviv (instituted by the United Nations who overrule all other authorities); KI had its capital in Jerusalem 8. SI has Synagogues, but no Temple; KI had its Temple built, destroyed and rebuilt, but it had a Temple! 9. SI has Rabbinical Schools to which anybody can go; KI had High Priests of the line of Aaron (Moses' broither, so in Moses' bloodline) and Levites reserved for other religious tasks. 10. KI has an Army; KI had its Army AND the Temple Guards 11. SI has the people of essentiall European DNA, with minor presence of Ethiopian and Moroccan origin; KI everybody descended from the one patriarch, Abraham 12. I forget the 12th. The point is... just because one has the tradition of "King David in Jerusalem", it does not mean they can claim their right to the same land nowadays, not any more than the Franks who took (liberated?) Jerusalem in 1098 and set the Christian Kingdom of Outremer (Holy Land). Ironically, the only time when the Holy Land was in true peace was under Turkish rule... I will avoid falling into the "it's legitimately theirs" trap, else a good 50% of the US west of the Louisiana Purchase should go back to the American Indian... Texas to Mexico, Hawaii become sovereign, etc. What I'm trying to say is THE WORLD IS NOT COMING TO AN END AND THE SKY IS NOT FALLING! And we should not misinterpret words written down 3000 years ago for the peoples and rulers of those days. I find it so very hard to understand why, of all Christina Peoples on this Earth, only in the US is the Doomsday fable taken so seriously. Jesus said "at the end of days", and NOBODY has a way to calculate whether we are even halfway there. Last, Webstermark, when I said "see how close Iran put their Country close to our military bases", I am quoting a cartoon I saw somewhere on Facebbok. Starting from the 1990 and the first war agains Saddam Hussein, the US have planted bases in Saudi Arabia, Turkey (even more than before) Cyprus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, other 'Stans, Afghanistan, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar and Bahrein... not to mention Pakistan, Diego Garcia and a few other places... In other words, since 1990, in the last 20 years Iran has been completely encircled by US bases. Just like 1962, when the Soviets tried stting up ONE base in Cuba... |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by LANCER on 02/03/13 at 12:19:17 Quote:
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Bill, just because you have not heard God speak, that has absolutely no bearing on His communication with me or others. I talk to Him and He talks to me. You can not negate that fact because you were not part of the conversation. |
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Title: Re: What to do with Iran? Post by WebsterMark on 02/03/13 at 12:29:58 What do you think you can teach me ? ZILCH ! Really? Nothing? I suppose you're right; there's nothing an insufferable doesn't already know.... |
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