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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> This is why I like gridlock in congress /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1359431010 Message started by srinath on 01/28/13 at 19:43:30 |
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Title: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by srinath on 01/28/13 at 19:43:30 Cos when they decide to work together - they do crap like this. http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16741007-senators-hope-to-approve-bipartisan-immigration-reform-within-months?lite This Republicons think will help the mexicans vote for them ... they wont. Mexican vote now is split 70/30 dem/rep. This will let in an extra 12 million (ha, I think its closer to 50 million but hey lets use the lies) ... so the republicons will fall about 5 million further behind. Then the true zenophobes (hey, I'd vote for the guy who'd repeal the 17th amendment inspite of his idea about going back to gold) will stay away - or vote democrap. I'd guess that number to be atleast 5 million more. This seems like a good way to lose by an extra 10million. Democraps - seriously they are alienating the other immigrant groups, which surprisingly is a bigger voting block. Have you seen a legal mexican ? no ... most other immigrants are legal. They seem to be voting democrap for now by maybe 70/30 as well. If that group stays away or flips ... the dems lose a few million. So the dems are playing for 10 million and thinking they can lose the few million - OK rather weak, but I can dig that, the Obama victory margin was slim enough to be a bit worrisome OK fine. Why are the republicons going along. I think these 2 are both clueless. They are out of touch with the people. They have not been people in a very long time. They are politicians. Not people. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by Midnightrider on 01/29/13 at 15:38:38 GOP RIP |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by Starlifter on 01/29/13 at 17:06:24 "GOP RIP" ~Midnight." It is possible (if unlikely) that institutionally, the Republican Party will be further weakened and either collapse or become a regional white-minority party. However, there will still be 1/3 of the electorate that has a radical Conservative political philosophy and they will gravitate to or form a Party to represent their interests. If there were no GOP, it would be necessary to invent one. It is a sad but well-documented fact that at least one-third of all Americans are low information, under educated voters, and so very susceptible to the lies and propaganda of FOX news, hate radio, and super right-wing hate blogs on line. They hear it, they read it, they believe it. The GOP is their party, and killing it will not kill the insanity. For some 30 years the Republican party has packaged humanity's darkest and most craven weaknesses and pawned them off as its greatest virtues. Well, the reckoning is here and the conservatives are found wanting. When the chips are down we are a nation that cares for our citizens and we expect our government to be strong enough, capable enough, and compassionate enough to do the same. |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by Serowbot on 01/29/13 at 17:16:36 Although the Rep's are pandering to the Hispanic voter,... it isn't all Hispanic... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Z6VRduokg7I/TwoWdE-XsVI/AAAAAAAAABw/Rj64lHtiLVU/s1600/2011-0318-origins.png |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by Starlifter on 01/29/13 at 17:58:08 I don't understand why we cannot control the southern border. Is there any other country in the world whose border is such a sieve? We spend as much on securing the northern border as we do the southern border...I have never met a Canadian who wanted to sneak into the US for any reason. The Canadian / US border should be no more restrictive than a state line. ALL of our resources should be concentrated on the southern border. That is where the problem lies. |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by srinath on 01/29/13 at 18:10:57 South america, carribean, and central america are all hispanic. That is what they are pandering to. Asia, europe and middle east have no long term illegals, unless they ahve filed some kind of papers - be it refugee, persecution orin some cases a family based like marriage ( I know a white guy married to a vietnamese woman who is in immigration limbo, but she is OK as long as she stays in the US till she gets a legal status) adoption pending something etc etc Of course there is a few of my country men whose parents over stay their visas routinely, cos the penalty for 6 month or less over stay is a 1 year ban. Since they dont ever intend to come back in a year, they enter for 3 months, extend for 3 more and overstay for just under 6. Then 2 years later after spending time with their other kids etc ... they repeat. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by houstonbofh on 01/29/13 at 21:28:26 123520332D2827352433410 wrote:
I do. Twenty five years ago, my fiancée and her mother walked here from El Salvador illegally. They were fleeing a war that had acts so terrible that I would not describe them here. (And considering the pictures I have posted, that is beyond evil) The only way to secure a boarder from people that desperate is to have a man with a gun every 10 feet and a lot of ammo, and to kill everyone coming. And they will still come. Even that is better than what some have at home. The ONLY way to secure the boarder is to give the people who truly need it a better option. But both parties only want to talk about one side of the same coin. So it will never get fixed, and criminal gangs will have the run of south Texas. (And it royally ticks me off when I have to go through a boarder patrol checkpoint 75 miles INSIDE TEXAS!) And yes, that is another reason we will not give up our guns. |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by Pine on 01/30/13 at 06:41:58 3F3822242338393538313F570 wrote:
I do. Twenty five years ago, my fiancée and her mother walked here from El Salvador illegally. They were fleeing a war that had acts so terrible that I would not describe them here. (And considering the pictures I have posted, that is beyond evil) The only way to secure a boarder from people that desperate is to have a man with a gun every 10 feet and a lot of ammo, and to kill everyone coming. And they will still come. Even that is better than what some have at home. The ONLY way to secure the boarder is to give the people who truly need it a better option. But both parties only want to talk about one side of the same coin. So it will never get fixed, and criminal gangs will have the run of south Texas. (And it royally ticks me off when I have to go through a boarder patrol checkpoint 75 miles INSIDE TEXAS!) And yes, that is another reason we will not give up our guns.[/quote] thumbs up on this post.. |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/30/13 at 11:55:26 755247544A4F40524354260 wrote:
Its not that we Cant.. We have not done so, for a multitude of reasons, some of which fall under the Conspiracy Theory heading, but hold up under scrutiny by people like me, Dont let the FACT that Im right about so much bother you. Youll Poo Poo it anyway, |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by 12Bravo on 01/30/13 at 13:55:29 I have been stationed all over the world and in other countries, the border guards normally will shoot if you try to cross illegally. There is no reason why we cannot secure our borders. |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/30/13 at 16:02:51 Correct, absolutely NO reason why we Cant. That we havent tells a tale. There are reasons Why we chose to not protect our border to the South. Quite a few reasons, actually. Most require a willingness to accept the notion that there is a powerful group with an agenda Not in the best interest of Americans economic future pulling the strings. |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by Trippah on 01/30/13 at 16:21:54 Well, we physically cannot secure the US/Canadian border. Cannot be done within the scope of reasonable expenditures. I studied it for a month with the US Army and the RCMP/Canadian Military. f course, this was only the border from Buffalo to the Atlantic ocean. The US Mexican border is probably worse, given the mountainous terrain, shared River length and I haven't even looked at Calif/Baja border. The Defense in Depth is the only partially functional system we have seen, which is why the boder patrol checks 75 miles into Texas. Houston is correct; the nations to our South have so much horror and terrible living conditions they will risk thier lives chasing the dream God help them..Imagine- the Slums of LA -are safer than home. :'( |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by srinath on 01/30/13 at 16:24:48 Border defence is electronic. Its easily doable with a 5k software development budget. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by houstonbofh on 01/30/13 at 19:15:37 3E3F24232C39254D0 wrote:
And once you detect the 1500 people crossing in one region of Texas each night, then what? Kill them all? I do not know anyone with the will to do that, and nothing else will stop it. |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by srinath on 01/31/13 at 08:09:53 4C4B5157504B4A464B424C240 wrote:
And once you detect the 1500 people crossing in one region of Texas each night, then what? Kill them all? I do not know anyone with the will to do that, and nothing else will stop it.[/quote] No one cares if they come across. We prevent them from getting any other ... no jobs, no DL, no nothing. That is all software my friend. You dont detect them electronically and shoot them. You prevent them form doing anything cos its all electronic. Oh yea 20-30 people use the same SSN - yea I know, we fingerprint and validate when a SSN shows up in an employment list. INS and IRS need to be interlocked. All that is software. We can list a quick check of flagged SSN's. Those that have more than 1 current job. That makes your current 2-3 job people needing to fingerprint register, but past that, it will kill the multiple people using 1 ssn. BTW we think its 11 million, its closer to 80, cos there is no mexican I know that has a real SSN. I know 1 guy who is a legal resident. The rest are all illegal, some who use that guys ssn. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by Starlifter on 01/31/13 at 17:04:03 It's the people who HIRE illegals that we need to crack down on. They hire them for slave wages and pay them no benefits. Fine the hell out of them, cost them money..lots of money. This will go a long way toward solving the problem. |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by Serowbot on 01/31/13 at 22:43:31 143326352B2E21332235470 wrote:
+1... take away the carrot... ;)... |
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Title: Re: This is why I like gridlock in congress Post by srinath on 02/01/13 at 18:37:30 5D4B5C41594C415A2E0 wrote:
+1... take away the carrot... ;)... [/quote] And that is a pitifully small amount of SQL. I will write it in 30 seconds, and I am a unix support engineer, I am not an sql programmer. Border fence = red herring. Its a huge and ineffective government program made to appease the Minute men. Ron Paul suggested it ... even the republicons quashed him. You heard of reagan democrats, there are Ron Paul democrats. The media and the republicons dont like that. They'd rather lose with the guy that tightly lines up with their ideology than win with a common sense guy who has somehow fallen into their basket. Cool. Srinath. |
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