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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just crazy. /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1365599458 Message started by Paraquat on 04/10/13 at 06:10:58 |
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Title: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just crazy. Post by Paraquat on 04/10/13 at 06:10:58 The best part was going back to all my facebook friends who told me I was crazy. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/09/a-form-of-gun-confiscation-has-reportedly-begun-in-new-york-state-heres-the-justification-being-used/ --Steve |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by oldNslow on 04/10/13 at 07:02:25 Confiscation is the end game. Always has been. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. This guy might win his case and get his guns and permit back. At least for the time being. But that won't matter in the long run. Most of the folks that run afoul of this latest legal travesty will not have the financial and legal resources to fight. They will just hand over their stuff - or have it forceably taken from them. Right now this is only a New York issue, but that could change. That's why the ONLY thing Obama really wants from congress is the so-called "universal background check" part of the proposed federal law. And the background checks are not what he's really after. It's the Federal database of firearm owners that he needs. Can't take the guns till you know where they are. It really is as simple as that. Everything else the gun - control folks say is just bullshit. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by 45acp on 04/10/13 at 08:53:48 well said oldnslow. the government knows the last last thing protecting freedom is private gun owners. they want nothing more than to strip us of our last defense againt total domination. i might not be able to take them all, but the ones that are left will remember the day they came to my house. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by Dane Allen on 04/10/13 at 14:03:09 636C7A7A6C79606C7B6A6C090 wrote:
Will probably need to go off the grid long before they show up. Don't expect the Miranda rights and warrants crowd to stop by in the late afternoon. It will be drone snipers and grenades at 4 a.m. on some random night with no warning. Any expression of your "rights" will just be proof of the need to strip you of said rights. :( |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by srinath on 04/10/13 at 18:37:49 So you propose handing out a gun to anyone who asks for one ? What is the answer if your conspiracy were true ? How do you keep guns out if the hands of the criminals, and the criminally insane ? No and dont say you shoot the shooter before he shoots you ... cos we know how well that worked in the case of the 3 people killed in texas by the aryan brotherhood. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by oldNslow on 04/10/13 at 19:16:27 66677C7B74617D150 wrote:
WTF are you talking about? Did you even bother to try to understand what this thread was actually about before you jumped in? ::) |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by srinath on 04/10/13 at 19:22:50 OK Let me just put the point and not the sarcasm - Without background checks - How do you keep guns out if the hands of the criminals, and the criminally insane ? OK simple question ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by 45acp on 04/10/13 at 21:31:07 background checks cant keep guns out of criminals hands, because criminals dont buy guns at the gun store. they buy guns off the street. we already have FBI background checks when you buy a firearm. i have to fill out paper work whenever i go buy a gun. background checks wont stop criminals any more than they stopped a muslim terrorist from getting in the white house. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by Midnightrider on 04/10/13 at 22:00:38 If it will make you feel better I'll tell you you're crazy, just don't hold it against me. If people don't tell me I'm crazy I'm not doing anything. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by Midnightrider on 04/10/13 at 22:06:40 2322393E312438500 wrote:
You carry a gun and the best shot wins. Simple and cool. Pretty soon we wouldnt need lawyers, judges or courthouses. Invest in funeral homes and make sure the funeral homes are not gun free. You might lose business. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by Midnightrider on 04/10/13 at 22:17:07 Is anyone gonna tell the truth with the so called background checks. Everyone I've talked o says they aren't. I buy guns that aren't traceable if the price is right. I can lie as good as Obama, telling us the ammunition is to shoot fish poachers. The part about the Social Security offices being armed I can believe because they will stop paying us. Who are they gonna train with enough bullets to last 20 years? As bad as I shoot I believe they have enough ammo to teach me. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by houstonbofh on 04/10/13 at 22:38:32 44455E5956435F370 wrote:
With background checks - How do you keep guns out if the hands of the criminals, and the criminally insane ? And how is that working for Chicago, and Mexico? |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by Midnightrider on 04/10/13 at 22:40:44 Buy used! |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by WD on 04/11/13 at 00:26:54 Buy black powder, they are exempt! And a smoothbore will shoot whatever trash you care to ram down the barrel. Flint is free where I live, most common rock in gravel driveways, so buy a flintlock. And making your own powder is so easy it's laughable. How do you keep guns out of criminals' hands? Easy... lock down the 'hood. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by srinath on 04/11/13 at 06:51:58 484F5553544F4E424F4648200 wrote:
With background checks - How do you keep guns out if the hands of the criminals, and the criminally insane ? And how is that working for Chicago, and Mexico?[/quote] What - dude - background checks have kept several 1000 - something like 100,000 from getting guns @ gun stores. Obviously they are buying them @ gun shows, or off the street. It would be more and more and more expensive for the criminal if we squeeze it further and further. We stop the gun show loop hole you'd stop the guy who set fire to the house after killing people inside, then shot the firemen who came to put it out. In any case not my favorite way. The $100 a bullet will eliminate the crazy who wants to do a "random shooting into a crowd" they can then resort to exacto knives or pink pongs. The criminal - true criminal who acquires a gun hopes to never use it or use 1 bullet. The background check will slow him down. But seriously, a career criminal does not want to even use the gun. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by oldNslow on 04/11/13 at 07:11:15 Quote:
I think you are refering to the incident In Webster, NY. Those guns didn't come from a gun show. They were purchased at a Gander Mountain retail store by a woman who passed the background check and then gave the guns to the guy who set the fire and shot the firefighters. He killed himself with a handgun that was STOLEN in Ohio over ten years prior to this shooting spree. The police still don't know exactly how he came to posess that gun. Had nothing to do with gun shows. It was two individuals who broke the laws that already exist. And the woman who bought and supplird the guns is being prosecuted. I respect your right to your opinions even though I don't agree with them, but you are not entitled to try to support those opnions by just making stuff up. You'd have a lot more credibility if you at least got the facts right. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by Paraquat on 04/11/13 at 09:20:03 5253484F405549210 wrote:
How do you stop anyone from doing anything? How do you stop a criminal from committing a crime? How does JOG stop you from posting? What stops me from speeding on the highway to work? What stops drunken parents from beating their kids? How do you stop any of this? --Steve |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by oldNslow on 04/11/13 at 10:18:10 Quote:
Government sponsered reeducation camps? Free train ride to nowhere? Free people are kind of annoying to the Utopia folks. Always doing stuff they don't approve of. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by Dane Allen on 04/11/13 at 10:59:54 46787975677B7A140 wrote:
If it wasn't for all that free will and the pursuit of happiness stuff then liberals would be able to drive us like R/C cars. I'm sure the liberal response will be to "just conform and you will have all the happiness we think you need as determined by our special scientists." ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by oldNslow on 04/11/13 at 11:08:04 Dane: Quote:
I really like that line. Probably gonna steal it some time. :) |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by srinath on 04/11/13 at 12:41:10 I am not going to try to solve all of society's ills which no doubt are caused by Librulls causing good people to go insane. However I do theorise this: You can stop the random bullet spraying moron from spraying bullets @ random by making bullets very expensive - that is all. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by houstonbofh on 04/11/13 at 13:49:47 2F2E35323D28345C0 wrote:
Not gun shows, as everyone there who wants a booth needs a dealers license, and does background checks. Been to one lately? And off the street, means buying them from other criminals. Think they will do background checks? |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by houstonbofh on 04/11/13 at 13:51:36 65647F7877627E160 wrote:
Forcing him to blow up a school, or cut people with knives or set a building on fire, or just beat people to death with clubs. Or, just drive drunk, as that kills more people in one year than guns do in 10. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by Dane Allen on 04/11/13 at 15:51:21 6A6D7771766D6C606D646A020 wrote:
On the subject of body counts, abortion is the number one killer in America by far!! Anyone following Kermit's house of horrors? Look at England where "no one has guns" and yet the rape and robbery rates dwarf those of any place in America. In my mind, Anti-gun is pro-crime. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by houstonbofh on 04/11/13 at 18:07:56 74515E55715C5C555E300 wrote:
On the subject of body counts, abortion is the number one killer in America by far!! Anyone following Kermit's house of horrors? Look at England where "no one has guns" and yet the rape and robbery rates dwarf those of any place in America. In my mind, Anti-gun is pro-crime.[/quote] Totally agree. Or at least "pro-criminal." |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by Midnightrider on 04/11/13 at 21:14:43 I've studied this subject hard this from every angle. I have to carry a gun, cops are too heavy. I'm scrutinizing with all my will power concerning this problem. In 2011 323 people were killed with so called assault weapons, 496 with a hammer. Which should we ban? A lot of people think Washington used the 2nd amendment to defeat the British. Not true, he shot them. Is the assault weapons ban gonna work better in the other 49 states as well as it worked in Conneticut. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by Paraquat on 04/12/13 at 06:09:01 Just throwing this out there: Connecticut adopted the 1994 Federal assault weapons ban into state law. The rifle that was sold and used in this/these crime/crimes was, therefore, not an "assault rifle" as it was purchased after 1994. --Steve |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by srinath on 04/12/13 at 18:02:22 797E6462657E7F737E7779110 wrote:
Forcing him to blow up a school, or cut people with knives or set a building on fire, or just beat people to death with clubs. Or, just drive drunk, as that kills more people in one year than guns do in 10. [/quote] OK once again for the hard of comprehension - People who blow up or set fires are motivated by walking away and enjoying their handiwork not to mention the rest of their lives. Knives and clubs and baseball bats and pink pongs - yes and we see 1 guy who tried a knife. He wounded 14, and sandy hook guy killed 28 in 1/3rd the time. People want to kill people ... and with guns they do manage to kill a lot more people a lot faster with a lot less effort. Without guns they succeed in injuring a lot of people. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by srinath on 04/12/13 at 18:03:57 6352415242465247330 wrote:
Yes garbage rules elicit garbage reactions. Nothing needs to be banned, its a constitutional violation. We just charge everyone $100 per bullet. If used justifiably, you get the bullets back. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by srinath on 04/12/13 at 18:16:32 01242B20042929202B450 wrote:
On the subject of body counts, abortion is the number one killer in America by far!! Anyone following Kermit's house of horrors? Look at England where "no one has guns" and yet the rape and robbery rates dwarf those of any place in America. In my mind, Anti-gun is pro-crime.[/quote] Yea more out of context statistics. England is a magnet for arabs, pakisthanis, and 1/2 the third world, and that's just the legal immigrants. They have rape as currency, rape as a pre cursor to an arranged marriage, and rape as a revenge instrument. Now england is almost as densely populated as New jersey and its almost the size of NC. Its 2 X the population of CA as a reference and 1/3rd the size about. Comparing that to a country where you cant find no one to rob is really comparing apples to oranges. It may be correct to compare NYC to london, or NJ to england. Open country is a serious motivation against crime. And yes england even after all that has higher crime, but england also is the "destination" for a lot of the worlds poor. The US is just the destination for the hispanic poor. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by WD on 04/12/13 at 19:13:45 The US is just the destination for the hispanic poor. Really? Then why is the Pacific Northwest full of Slavs, Semites, black Africans, East Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans...? Most of whom have been given a small business or tractor trailer by the government, with no expectation of or mandate for repayment. I worked with several Somali truck drivers, who refused to do any mandated maintenance on their rigs because "when it breaks the government will just give me another one". Stores were routinely taken from American born owners in the late 1980s and handed over to "gooks", now they are losing the stores in favor of Sikhs, Arabs and Africans. None of whom follow food safety mandates, age restrictions on purchases, banned merchandise restrictions, etc. We're seeing the same here in west TN as I experienced out west. My favorite local market went from local born and raised ownership, stocking products tailored to the local area, to being Lebanese run. High school kids are routinely in there buying beer and cigarettes... |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by srinath on 04/12/13 at 19:35:20 WD - I lived in the NW and am injun. I got nothing, not even a used motorcycle from the govt. So what govt is handing over what vehicle to which somali ? The rest of the BS - I have tried to call ICE or other crap on Illegals and criminals to have nothing happen. Month after month, year after year ... we dont have too much law enforcement ... we have none, or far too little law enforcement. Of course that's no indication of the employment in law enforcement, its just the enforcement of law enforcement that is missing. In 2016 I am voting for any one who picks Joe Arpaio as VP or writing in Joe Arpaio if he's not on the ticket. However I should say, Obama has deported more in the first 2 years than Bush did in 8. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by WD on 04/12/13 at 19:56:05 Any immigrant who wanted to work the Seattle/Tacoma container business was given a truck by the US gov't. Small Business Administration "loan" that was not expected to be paid back. 1/07-1/11 is when I worked the container ship piers, railyards and secure Customs warehouses. Those drivers were also GIVEN secure facility access cards and haz-mat endorsements. My t.w.i.c. card (secure facilities access pass) cost around $75, out of my pocket. Haz-mat fingerprinting was $81, the test was $25 and the endorsement (good for 2 years at a time) was even more on top of that. On a container run that I pulled down $100 gross income, they'd happily underbid the run at $10-20 profit. |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by Paraquat on 04/13/13 at 05:34:23 7E7F64636C79650D0 wrote:
Yes garbage rules elicit garbage reactions. Nothing needs to be banned, its a constitutional violation. We just charge everyone $100 per bullet. If used justifiably, you get the bullets back. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] It's not a garbage reaction. If it's not an "assault weapon" why do they keep calling it an "assault weapon"? They are doing it to create a bias and it's obviously working. --Steve |
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Title: Re: No one ever implied confiscation. I'm just cra Post by srinath on 04/13/13 at 20:24:33 0C3D2E3D2D293D285C0 wrote:
What is working ? there are still shootings - OK the librull naming of the gun and taking it away is working ? I guess that is a valid point. WD wrote: Any immigrant who wanted to work the Seattle/Tacoma container business was given a truck by the US gov't. Small Business Administration "loan" that was not expected to be paid back. What kind of immigrant - I know of several compadres who actually owned trucks and made canada/LA type runs including several who pulled for walmart. Injun, Fijian etc etc ... you're missing some detail here. They weren't handing out trucks to immigrants, my friend owned a mid 80's truck he bought in the mid 90's with a million and 1/2 miles for what I thought was a stupid $$$ something like 7-8g. He said it was low. Cool. Srinath. |
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