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Title: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by houstonbofh on 04/13/13 at 20:55:40 http://www.examiner.com/article/is-it-now-time-for-a-firearms-black-market Had to post this because it will have srinath make some ridiculous and entertaining off topic argument against it. ;D |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/13/13 at 21:05:23 Ridiculous only cos you're from the opposite side - Anyway here is the obligatory post. Black market = $$$ ... the squeeze from background checks to closing of loop holes etc etc get to the point where anyone who buys one on the black market is doing so for a crime ... its prices will slowly skyrocket. Criminals will get guns, cos like the NRA guy said "Criminals will never go through background checks" ... they will get guns as soon as they pay several times the price a non criminal would. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by houstonbofh on 04/14/13 at 08:37:28 2A2B3037382D31590 wrote:
Not just that... 2A2B3037382D31590 wrote:
You mean like the black market Canadian and Mexican pharmacies that were cheaper than the US pharmacies? Or the Gray market importers all over Europe? Often the black market is cheaper than the formal market either because of tariffs, or position pricing. 2A2B3037382D31590 wrote:
Again, not always. They would not pay your famous $100 tax, for example, and that will make a big difference... Also they will not pay the tax and license fees for full auto weapons. But yes, amusingly enough, they will pay a few hundred dollars for a cheap $75 pistol in Chicago. And make their money back that night robbing someone who is unarmed. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by rfw2003 on 04/14/13 at 13:30:18 If you say so Srinath. Right now I know of a few places I can get full auto M4's for less then a grand each. That's way less then the market price for them legally. LE full auto versions of the MP5's go for about $600 on the street which is also way less the the market price for legally getting them, oh wait a minute you can't legally get a MP5 as a civilian they don't make a version of it that has the receiver made with it blocked for the full auto setup. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/15/13 at 00:56:49 Houstonbofh: You're crossing 2 threads. The background checks are not my idea. But expanding the background checks IMHO would raise black market prices was my theory. The $100 bullet isn't use in the accounting of why a black market gun is going to be cheaper. In this thread so far there is no connection to the $100 bullet tax. Rfw2003: You're likely in the iron pipe, I know you're in OK - but AFAIK the famous "Iron pipe" is the NYC to GA, SC and GA have loose gun laws, and these are cheap, and lots of guns bought there end up in DC or NYC crimes. This is like water - it flows to the lowest. The black market will get it off the cheapest location and sell it to who/where/when/what is most $$$. If we start raising the standards in 90% of the country, but leave SC and TX as is for example, the iron pipe will just end in TX and SC and run to every state ... Markets are efficient at doing this my friend, black markets especially so. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by houstonbofh on 04/15/13 at 16:30:49 I like how you totally ignored all of the examples I provided where the black market was cheaper than the public market. Nice straw man on the gun vs bullet thing as well. ;D |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/15/13 at 17:15:39 40475D5B5C47464A474E40280 wrote:
Sorry that is no strawman - and I did explain the cheaper black market - just said you dont bring in the $100 bullet, cos it doesn't figure in to this, cos its not a law. Right now the black market is cheaper. I have explained why. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by rfw2003 on 04/15/13 at 17:59:32 71706B6C63766A020 wrote:
I guess reading isn't one of your better qualities, I'm in TX. As for you saying the black market is more expensive, Then explain how you can get a full auto M16 for around $1K and right now on the streets, to get a legal full auto M16 it will run you anywhere from $4K to $12K depending on where you get it, and that doesn't include the tax stamp you have to get either to own it legally. BTW Full Auto M16's that are legal to own are getting rare now, as those that have them are not really wanting to part with them. The closer you are to any military installation the cheaper it is to get full auto weapons on the street, you just gotta know where to go is all. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/15/13 at 19:27:10 The whole point of the black market is to get things cheaper than you could through the legal (not necessarily moral) process. The market for cigarettes, for example, is a way to evade the high taxes. Same thing for a full-auto M-16, you can bypass the cost of the FFL and all associated monetary and time costs by utilizing the black market. Suppose some idiot gets a bill passed that tacks a $100 tax per bulltet of ammunition. I would go to the black market to buy 1,000 rounds for $1 per round so as to overcome the immoral stripping of my civil rights. They can arrest me and everyone else who bought these bullets but then too many producers will be in prison and no one to provide for the leaches. So, just like prohibition, the law would go away and embarrass the Marxists. Human behavior is economic behavior and there is no form of marxism that will totally erase that. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by rfw2003 on 04/15/13 at 20:53:48 5B7E717A5E73737A711F0 wrote:
exactly my point. I would do the same as well. Hell I might have to start doing that soon anyways, All the good defense rounds are pretty much non existent now at stores for just about every caliber. I can't even find my speer 185 grn full copper hollow points for self loading anymore anywhere, so I can't even load my own preferred defense round for my 1911. :'( R.F. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/16/13 at 05:40:32 OK one more time black market prices vs legal market prices: Sorry you'd have to read this. I will write in short sentenses with good grammar and punctuation. Black market buys guns where there are no laws (you're not talking about a 20 year old gun I presume - else used cheaper than new). So you buy it in SC, say $100. In NYC where there is 1000 restrictions and all sorts of regulations guns are $$$. SC gun gets driven to NY. Markup of 200, $300. Cheaper than the $500 legit gun. If you imposed gun laws state by state, you will leave a lot of holes like SC, TX, etc etc. So you will always find black market cheaper. That's why, whatever you do with gun laws, it has to be nationwide, and you have to get canada and mexico to go along. Else the black market will take the easy route. This has nothing to do with the $100 bullet tax I proposed. This is reality, bullet tax is not. So its not affecting black market gun prices now. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Paraquat on 04/16/13 at 06:08:39 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=337190574 I would double your estimated values. Buy it now is only 30,000. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by rfw2003 on 04/16/13 at 09:07:30 69584B58484C584D390 wrote:
I was going by the last time I looked into getting one, when I was interested in auto fire firearms. Which was about 2 years ago, for the legit legal pricing of the m16 for civilians. I do know that the underground pricing around here is accurate though as I do know a few people that are into that stuff. They also do ammo as well, what ever kind you want, at prices lower then you would expect, definitely lower then what it would cost you to get it legally even if you were a licensed dealer for LE and military stuff. How do I know this, I was an FFL dealer for 4 years and had my class III stamp plus the ability to sell to LE and government agencies. Now how are they able to sell the stuff so cheap I wonder? :o I'd bet Srinath couldn't guess it because he would think it's impossible with the way he's talking. They steal it from the government and law enforcement agencies is how. They get the stuff for free, so they can sell it for cheap and make a 100% profit margin on what they are selling. I doesn't matter how much security there is, criminals will always find a way in. It's in their nature to find the holes in the system. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/16/13 at 09:37:12 5A4E5F1A18181B280 wrote:
Every system in existance has holes, which are defined simply as using a system not in the way it was intended. Take the traffic light system. The hole in the red light system is that people can just drive through the red light at the risk of being pulled over and cited. If you are careful then you can run red lights whenever there is not a cop around and totally bypass the traffic light system. This is a black market for time, you steal back time that the government took from you first in order to maintain order. Anything tax free will be cheaper than the same thing that is sold legally with the taxes and fees. That is a fact, not even up for debate. A $3 pack of black market cigarettes is cheaper than the same kind sold for $5 in the store. Pure fact. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by rfw2003 on 04/16/13 at 09:41:03 61444B40644949404B250 wrote:
Every system in existance has holes, which are defined simply as using a system not in the way it was intended. Take the traffic light system. The hole in the red light system is that people can just drive through the red light at the risk of being pulled over and cited. If you are careful then you can run red lights whenever there is not a cop around and totally bypass the traffic light system. This is a black market for time, you steal back time that the government took from you first in order to maintain order. Anything tax free will be cheaper than the same thing that is sold legally with the taxes and fees. That is a fact, not even up for debate. A $3 pack of black market cigarettes is cheaper than the same kind sold for $5 in the store. Pure fact. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.[/quote] That is the exact point I've been trying to make. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/16/13 at 09:47:52 65716025272724170 wrote:
Every system in existance has holes, which are defined simply as using a system not in the way it was intended. Take the traffic light system. The hole in the red light system is that people can just drive through the red light at the risk of being pulled over and cited. If you are careful then you can run red lights whenever there is not a cop around and totally bypass the traffic light system. This is a black market for time, you steal back time that the government took from you first in order to maintain order. Anything tax free will be cheaper than the same thing that is sold legally with the taxes and fees. That is a fact, not even up for debate. A $3 pack of black market cigarettes is cheaper than the same kind sold for $5 in the store. Pure fact. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.[/quote] That is the exact point I've been trying to make. R.F. [/quote] :) Yeah, I've been trying to help you drive the nail of logic through, think we are making any headway with what either of us is saying?? ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by rfw2003 on 04/16/13 at 09:56:19 7C59565D7954545D56380 wrote:
Doubtful, I think he just likes to argue even when he's proven wrong with all the information shown right to him. Black markets will always be here and will always be a cheaper alternative even though it's not a legal way to get the stuff for whatever it is you are trying to get. He just can't see that for some reason. I guess the black market works differently in the country where he is originally from, and he's stuck on that and won't see how it is here. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/16/13 at 11:13:21 5F4B5A1F1D1D1E2D0 wrote:
Doubtful, I think he just likes to argue even when he's proven wrong with all the information shown right to him. Black markets will always be here and will always be a cheaper alternative even though it's not a legal way to get the stuff for whatever it is you are trying to get. He just can't see that for some reason. I guess the black market works differently in the country where he is originally from, and he's stuck on that and won't see how it is here. R.F.[/quote] Exactly!! And if the black market is more expensive than just going down to the store then why not just go down to the store??? ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by rfw2003 on 04/16/13 at 12:02:07 71545B50745959505B350 wrote:
Doubtful, I think he just likes to argue even when he's proven wrong with all the information shown right to him. Black markets will always be here and will always be a cheaper alternative even though it's not a legal way to get the stuff for whatever it is you are trying to get. He just can't see that for some reason. I guess the black market works differently in the country where he is originally from, and he's stuck on that and won't see how it is here. R.F.[/quote] Exactly!! And if the black market is more expensive than just going down to the store then why not just go down to the store??? ;D ;D ;D[/quote] Yup that's the reason the black market exists. Those that sell in it are making a 100% profit on what they sell because they got it free. So they don't care how cheap they sell it for. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/16/13 at 12:12:42 Once again for the hard of comprehension - I will only talk about new guns. Taxes and regulations etc etc drive up the cost. The black market buys it where there are no regulations. They transport it to where there are regulations. They sell it and make a killing. That much is clear, you guys have been saying it all along. That was why we can not enforce gun control in CT and leave SC WFO. You'd just drive 1000 miles, fill a trunk full and make 100k ... that's the market. It has to be enforced nation wide, and canada and mexico ... You and I have been making the same point, just for 2 different sides - heck its even the same side - you use it to say gun control doesn't work ... I'd say state level gun control doesn't work. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/16/13 at 12:14:35 21352461636360530 wrote:
Really ? you find free guns ? Are those new or lightly used ... Lightly used, just used to fire 4 bullets into 2 people's heads ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/16/13 at 17:00:08 I guess this is one more argument I have lost cos my arms have been removed ... and I am posting with my tongue. Someone used a free gun and shot my arms off ... and legs too ... in fact my tongue has a bullet through it, but luckily I can still move it. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by rfw2003 on 04/16/13 at 17:05:34 7D7C67606F7A660E0 wrote:
See Post in the gunpowder one, You just can't see the light of day with your eyes wide open and someone holding your head facing the sun. See ya in the other parts of the forum where you aren't so dimwitted with you lack of knowledge and idiotic ideas. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/16/13 at 17:10:09 I guess you are going off to play with your free gun now huh ... After you're done playing with it you can sell it and make an infinite % profit ... he he ... you were going to settle for 100% ... you could have made infinite. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by houstonbofh on 04/17/13 at 00:00:21 1) Find truck delivering guns. 2) Stop truck. 3) Point gun at driver and take truck. 4) Sell guns. 5) Profit. Is that really that hard to follow? As an alternative, offer military or police guard $5,000 to let you steal $50,000 worth of guns... When you are a criminal, no place has regulations. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/17/13 at 04:52:16 5C5B4147405B5A565B525C340 wrote:
Oh why stop there, why not find truck with diamonds and steal it. Or find truck loaded with $100 bills and steal that, you can by pass all the selling. Yea ... you dont know which truck is carrying $100, guns or diamonds or anything else for that matter ... nor how well armed, defended the truck is ... and the $ trucks, the ones from loomis and brinks they are rolling safes. You get that truck stopped and the guards dead, you still have to crack that safe open. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/17/13 at 09:14:53 70776D6B6C77767A777E70180 wrote:
You are wasting your time, he is not open for debate, he has chosen a position and no matter how indefensible it is he will not abandon it. He is mentally unable to adjust his world view to the match current reality. He is psychologically locked into a faulty logic and may also be unable to admit any sort of error on his part. I said before, you cannot use reason to sway a person whose idiology is not based in reason. He is incapable of acknowledging any defect in his religion, it's the basis of his personal identity. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/17/13 at 16:00:09 Yea talk all you want ... I think you have lost and are one sore loser. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/17/13 at 17:04:50 585942454A5F432B0 wrote:
I can talk because I have put up, I have found and identified flaws in your logic, statements, ideas and what ever else you have thrown around here. You deflect, ignore, obfuscate, avoid and change the subject everytime someone blows a hole in your argument. Your responses are without reason, illogical and unreceptive to any information that contradicts what is in your fantasy world. I have beat your phylosophy down so much that I don't even bother to engage you any longer. You are not interested in testing your ideas or learning anything. Your goal is to ram through your ideas no matter how many holes everyone else shoots in them. Everyone has tryied to help you understand the errors in your logic but you refuse to accept them, no matter how blatantly and obviously wrong you are. So, you can go on and be the court jester all you want, spouting off bizarre thoughts and ideas and ignoring the logic and reason that has been dismantling your points nonstop. Others may have the patience for your foolishness but, for me, it got old after the first couple weeks. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/17/13 at 17:27:58 13363932163B3B3239570 wrote:
You have done nothing of the sort. You have proclaimed victory as soon as the starting whistle went off. Call it bizzare all you want ... and try to tack on bs garbage add on's in an effort to try to make yourself sound better ... its called a strawman argument. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/17/13 at 19:22:08 797863646B7E620A0 wrote:
You have done nothing of the sort. You have proclaimed victory as soon as the starting whistle went off. Call it bizzare all you want ... and try to tack on bs garbage add on's in an effort to try to make yourself sound better ... its called a strawman argument. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] I just did it again ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by houstonbofh on 04/17/13 at 21:00:18 60617A7D72677B130 wrote:
Wow! Talk about seeing what you put out there yourself... Just frightening. As to how to know what is in a truck, other than shipping bills, bills of lading, or knowing people in shipping companies... You could just look for a heavily loaded truck leaving a gun manufacturer... But that is just crazy talk. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 05:28:48 30372D2B2C37363A373E30580 wrote:
Wow! Talk about seeing what you put out there yourself... Just frightening. As to how to know what is in a truck, other than shipping bills, bills of lading, or knowing people in shipping companies... You could just look for a heavily loaded truck leaving a gun manufacturer... But that is just crazy talk.[/quote] Alright lets back up 1 step here ... I will talk about new guns only. Comparing a used black market gun to a new gun is comparing a used car to a new car. Used = cheaper. OK you suggest criminals will rob a truck filled with guns. I cant do much other than say ... no they wont. OK So - what is the facts you and I agree on. Fact 1. There is a well alive black market in guns. Fact 2. That can be cheaper than the legal market. Agreed so far ? OK. You suggest these are stolen. Cos they found the bill of lading or bribed a truck driver or killed one and took it as it left the manufacturer. OK I may have seen it in movies that way. Yea. However non movie information I have seen and heard over the years says that the guns are bought legally in a state with loose/no gun laws. That also makes them cheaper. By the trunk full, transported to DC or NYC. Transporting a gun to another state is illegal BTW. There they get sold on the street for a 2-300%+ profit ... This is a quick reference for that, from what I say is a neutral source - but you can find your own - http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases-test/gun-runners-picked-up-in-2-states-55562067.html That also happens with cigarettes and alcohol (including my neighbor) anything that has $$$ tax or restrictions in 1 location but wide open in another location = people will traffic in that. We wont have a black market if it was the same everywhere. Like NYC=SC=TX. Nothing is stolen in any real quantity to make any difference. That is my theory. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 09:03:12 4243585F504559310 wrote:
Wow! Talk about seeing what you put out there yourself... Just frightening. As to how to know what is in a truck, other than shipping bills, bills of lading, or knowing people in shipping companies... You could just look for a heavily loaded truck leaving a gun manufacturer... But that is just crazy talk.[/quote] Alright lets back up 1 step here ... I will talk about new guns only. Comparing a used black market gun to a new gun is comparing a used car to a new car. Used = cheaper.Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Interesting, this is like how you compare your 23% tax on wages to Romney's 13% tax on investment income and call it the same money but now you want to separate new guns versus old guns so as to make your weak arguments a little stronger. Just letting you know that we all see this and you aren't fooling anyone. :) |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 09:41:06 Oh cool you want to talk about used guns - easy ... just another parallel ... I omitted it cos it was almost going to run parallel and have a few added twists - not cos I wanted to dodge the issue like Mitt "I hide behind my 3 million in taxes I claim to have paid and an average of 13% back to 1989 when the working class stiffs are around 25%" RMoney - Anyway the story with used guns - easy to buy on the streets in areas without gun laws. The thing is, people sell guns cos of many reasons and in areas with no laws for gun control there is a lot of people selling them cos they bought more/better/newer etc. Guns from SC etc get bought (I dont know it happens en masse like new guns) and transported to NYC. Where due to laws and restrictions you can make a 2-300% profit ... except this twist. you buy a used gun, and its been used in a earlier crime, you're gonna get nailed for prior crimes on that gun ... it makes a used gun purchase a lot more dangerous. maybe that causes people to pay a smaller % as a profit. Maybe closer to 200% ... if you need a gun ... you need a gun. OK how's that ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 10:53:46 3B3A2126293C20480 wrote:
How much did you pay again? I can't seem to find it, would it be easier if you just said how much LESS in taxes you paid than Mitt Romney? While you are at it maybe you could share how much LESS you paid to charaity than Romney's $2 million. Oh, how about this, since you like percentages, and may not want to share your actual tax bill even though Romney has and you are kinda hypocritical in bashing him while hiding your own payments. Can you tell us within a few percentage points what percent of Romney's $3 million in taxes you paid? 50-55% maybe? 1-2% too high? .001-.003%? |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 11:22:27 Very nice Dane, and very stupid. Mitt "I hide behind my 3 million in taxes and 2 million to my cult and claim its 13% and 10% after hiding my $$$ in swiss banks" RMoney is a public person who declared his taxes on national TV. I dont have to tell you squat Dane ... 23% and 7% is all you need to know and as such it for reference it was 70% higher than RMoney, and 30% less to charity than RMoney's Cult donation, and all of my charity was spread across 3 charities, not to 1 cult, and these are genuine charities and in over 50% it was miles driven for delivery/pickup etc. Only miles count for that sort of work in your taxes, no time no nothing else. I'm just staying with the facts. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 11:44:38 65647F7877627E160 wrote:
Nice dodge, I really like how you evade the question with an insult to me, then deflect with bigotry and then change the subject by stating the obvious, that Romney stated his taxes on national TV. Let's go on to paragraph two to see how far you run away from the point... Quote:
Fine, and whether you admit it or not, I accept this as your surrender on the Romney tax issue, though I doubt you will stop using it as a crutch. Quote:
For clarification, stand alone percentages mean nothing unless applied to an actual number. Quote:
You paid 70% higher taxes than Romney, so $5.1 million dollars...is this where I suspend my disbelief? Quote:
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 12:05:09 Dane: The Mitt "I pay 13% in taxes and hide behind the fact that it was 3 million after my cronies manipulated the tax codes to make that legal" RMoney's tax issues will stop being an issue if he pays say 20% - about the same as Warren Buffet and Obama ... that would still be a whopping 15% lower than the working class stiff like me pays ... You can repeat anything you want ... these pixels are free ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 12:41:33 7F7E65626D78640C0 wrote:
Dodge post number 6!! How much did you pay again? Do you still not know the difference between wages and dividends? Oh, I demolished your "cronies manipulated the tax codes" schick in another thread. Might wanna wander over and get educated. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 18:06:37 Oh yea 23% ... OK. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 21:38:13 383922252A3F234B0 wrote:
Make that 7. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by WD on 04/19/13 at 09:08:46 If you want a black market gun here, go to the back door of the police station with a few vials of crack or meth. The guns taken off the street during arrests or buy back programs are "back doored" for drugs or cash. Lots of handguns with case file numbers end up back on the streets. The state of KY auctions off seized guns to licensed dealers. If you live near a base, you can already buy just about any small arm or munitions you desire, including light crew served belt fed machine guns. More than once I found a machine gun nest in the woods, lots of marijuana farms on Dept of Natural Resources lands in western WA. And the firearms used to protect the crops were stolen from Ft Lewis, by black, Mexican or Asian gang affiliated soldiers and either sold cheap at local pawn shops or bartered in the "happy endings" massages parlors for a knob job... ::) I've hauled loads of alcohol and ammo that were imported from Europe. Very easy to tell what is in them if you know how to read trailer seals. Same for domestic origin loads. It isn't hard to spot an ATF seal, chunk of lead around a cable that is wrapped around at least 2 door rods... and it says BATFE in the lead... Military munitions loads are escorted. I've hauled several of them, and when 3 of our trucks had to park off base for the night before delivering in the morning, our rigs were surrounded at all times by armed service personnel. Every port, railyard and airfield has at least one employee per shift who is calling hijackers with the trailer/container numbers for high dollar loads. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/19/13 at 13:38:41 4E6B646F4B66666F640A0 wrote:
Make that 7.[/quote] Very good dane: 7 would be the overall % I paid more in taxes + charity than RMoney. Very good you're catching on. My taxes are none if your business ... you offer up yours ... then we'll talk ... even as a % ... RMoney is a public a$$hole who declared his taxes as though we would see it and think wow ... he paid so much. In comparison warren Buffet paid 17.4 and over a billion $$$ ... Just for the hard of comprehension its 333 times RMoney's contribution and 25% more than RMoney's contribution. And where did you get the Idea I hated mormons ? I dont recall ever saying I hate them. I just hate tax cheats who contribute to their cult and proudly state that as some sort of noble deed. Does the Mormon church do anything other than push mormonism ? NO ... ergo, its a self serving charity. AKA cult. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by Dane Allen on 04/19/13 at 14:29:03 Quote:
Another dodge. Quote:
You are the one who won't shut up about it, we already know that Romney paid $3 million in taxes. You won't even complete your own comparison except to say you paid $5.1 million. I don't need to offer up mine because I am not making the point that Romney cheated. Romney paid way more than me and I am fine with that and appreciate his contribution to the economy. This is all your battle. Quote:
Well, that is because wow, he paid soo much. How much did you pay again? Quote:
Irrelevant, no one cares!!! Quote:
That is a good question, let's see if we can find the answer together. Quote:
Oh, SNAP!!! There it is, you answered your own question. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by rfw2003 on 04/19/13 at 14:37:52 Just to make a point here on how he dodges the actual issue at hand and changes the subject because we blow his theories wide apart. He's gone way off the black market for firearms here. Heck in all the different ones he's posting to here in this area of the forum he can't even keep on the subject of the topic. Srinath are you that unsure of your own theories or just that desperate to argue something that you have to change the subject just to keep an irrational argument open? So far Dane is the only one still putting up with your B.S. everyone else knows your just full of it, and is just tired of trying to get you to pull your head out of your arse so you can see some reason and logic. But as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/19/13 at 14:46:01 I dont have to declare my taxes ... RMoney did ... So I get the right to compare his to Warren Buffets, Obama's (who BTW only declared a % not amount) and mine. You are the one who is screaming about amounts ... RMoney is a dirtbag who paid 13% - 25% LESS THAN WARREN BUFFET. And it is 1/333 of warren buffets 1 billion+. I dont have to declare sheite cos you have asked for it 1000 times ... I simple compare my taxes to public knowledge RMoney's. Your goal is to judge, belittle and blame. You can scream all you want. This is all you get. 23% taxes and 7% charity. Its not my fight either. Its RMoney's fight cos he's declared his taxes ... so has Obama and Warren Buffet. My goal is to simply compare the public information. Too bad RMoney come out looking like a tax cheating dirt bag. Say Obama come out looking like a dirt bag ... well so be it. Its public info. I dont see why you should not post it. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/19/13 at 14:52:54 35213075777774470 wrote:
RF - you see there is no "my own theory" I am looking at the data and it suggests a theory. New data coming up - lets say like the 2 bombers didn't get a gun ... I'll go - well maybe they didn't get gun so they got a bomb, maybe the shooters will turn into bombers if we got gun control. Or I find a Mormon do something other than door to door religion propogation in south america and no not a hospital, those are big profit centers. I'd say OK - they do something other than push their own cause. Or now that RMoney is a CEO of that hotel group, next year he pays 25% in taxes cos he's an employee ... I'll say ... OK man he's not always a dirt bag ... that happens a few more lines ... I'll go OK he's probably legit capital gains in the past and not a straight on 100% tax cheat. Data makes the theory man. Find data that would support your theory, and I'll start changing my theory. Other wise it stays as it sits. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/19/13 at 16:59:04 7063270 wrote:
With all this happening around your hood - have you complained ? What happened, and sometimes you have to do it 1000's of times. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by WD on 04/20/13 at 08:34:44 All container haulers know the odds of getting a load jacked. Just a part of the job you try not to think about. If it happens, hand them the truck and walk away, the loads are insured. The military hardware is a military problem. Most people in western WA don't even know what DNR lands are, let alone where they are or why they are dangerous. I was only on them as wildland fire crew. It does no good to complain about the situation in Memphis, the city knows what is going on and doesn't care. The city council consists primarily of uneducated or criminal class blacks. By statute, the council has to reflect the demographics of the city as a whole. Which happens to be 68% black. I avoid the city like the plague was there. I live out in the country, the very few black families here act like normal people instead of animals. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/20/13 at 09:11:40 You dont complain to the same corrupt fools who are making it happen, you complain to someone much higher ... like the guns being sold out the black door - call homeland security maybe. May take a bunch of calling around to even get the right location. I had to ... like 4 calls to find and then maybe 6-7 ... then one time I was @ the receiving end, they said 10 times before they would act ... and 3 times he said he had been beaten to the punch by me removing the offending item. Long story ... but 10 calls before they would show up. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/20/13 at 09:25:23 This fool - http://www.scribd.com/doc/131975745/H1B-Visa-Immigration-Fraud-Scheme-by-Indian-National I called them for months. I found out over 2 years ago ... long story, I dont want to reveal my source. Must have called em for nearly a year ... Finally ... this was peanuts though, I've called a few more assorted offenses in, for nothing - so far. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by WD on 04/20/13 at 09:48:10 I honestly could not care less what the animals in the city are doing. The worse they get, the more they reinforce public opinion against them. Everyday I see more Confederate and National Socialist battle flags going up around here. |
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Title: Re: Is it now time for a firearms black market? Post by srinath on 04/20/13 at 10:08:24 6073370 wrote:
I guess if that's the result you want ... there is no need to complain, you just avoid it obviously. Cool. Srinath. |
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