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Title: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 04/16/13 at 07:05:48 OK, Folks - Who among us is going to advance the notion that this was another gov't job, like the misguided souls who feel the same about 9/11? |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by mpescatori on 04/16/13 at 07:35:51 I learned of the attack early this morning with my "daybreak coffee" - 6 a.m. over here, midnight on the East Coast. I was waiting for someone to open this thread, didn't dare do it myself. One thing I can say... AFTER I offer my condoleances to any and all who've suffered a loss - is that this is NOT "another Al Qaeda job". Quite the opposite, this is work of either : - an amateur, who distributed his explosives in three, four (five?) locations instead of producing ONE massive "whooomp!" of a bomb explosion; - alternatively, someone who knows quite well what he's doing, and aims at alarming the population and creating a sense of danger and the [hysterical] need for "security! more security!" when actually all that was required was a careful eye and a grasp of things by local security forces, no more than you would at any airport nationwide. For the first explosion caused a "mere" (please forgive the expression) three casualties, when any amateur terrorist wanting to prove his point could have caused ten times as many. Sorry, but this is the terroristic equivalent to a hold-up with a toy gun... Looks awful, potentially could have been a whole lot worse, but was intentionally played down to cause maximum alarm at "minimal" collateral damage. Again, with my most sincere condoleances. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/13 at 07:44:22 yea; mpescatori; you probably should have just kept your mouth shut for a while until a few facts come out...... |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/16/13 at 08:24:16 4D7F78696E7F68577B68711A0 wrote:
I'm definitely following this advice. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/16/13 at 09:25:59 Im leaning that way.. Who had more to gain? |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/16/13 at 09:43:46 36292F2835320333033B29256E5C0 wrote:
;D Liberals, that's who. The very first thing that came to mind was Occupy and Bill Ayers, never let a crisis go to waste is the liberal mantra. What is really going to be interesting is if this becomes an open border issue if it is found that Occupy did not, in fact, do this. If it was foreign nationals who came in through Mexico I see the lid finally blowing off the media embargo of anything negative against liberals. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by bill67 on 04/16/13 at 09:46:58 I think it was a small time guy,And he thought he would kill more than he did. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/16/13 at 09:51:08 Bomb sniffing dogs on scene Prior, announcements Prior, Its a drill, its a drill,, no need to be alarmed. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 04/16/13 at 09:56:57 Where is the world did you get this stuff? |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by rfw2003 on 04/16/13 at 10:00:10 545F5A5A0001360 wrote:
With the new background checks on firearms he was probably deigned getting an AR15, several clips, and a few cases of ammo, so he went with explosives instead, he just miss-calculated on placement of them for maximum damage. That's just one of my theories anyways. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Retread on 04/16/13 at 10:19:17 A needle in a haystack.. I would lean to a homegrown source for this one.. Tax day, Boston home of first tea party, maybe a tea party dingleberry.... |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by mpescatori on 04/16/13 at 11:06:17 794B4C5D5A4B5C634F5C452E0 wrote:
No offence meant, my dear, but Italy has endured more civil wars (without the Capital initials) Revolutionary wars (with the Caps) and Wars against Foreign Oppressors... Ever since Napoleon invaded Italy, there have been bombings against "X", against who is against, etc. just like a very gory Monty Python movie. H3LL, we had OUR anonymous Unabomber placing charges in yoghurt bottles in supermarkets before you even had yours ! >:( It's not a matter of "being a Wise 4ss", it's just a matter of "having seen it all before". From 1972 to the late 1980's we even had right wiing terrorists and left wing terrorists bombing each other's supporting neighborhoods... the Aug.1980 bombing of a major train station in Bologna placed by a "black team" (leftist terrorists using right wing tactics and materiel). Add a bit of Machiavelli... So, no need to feel hurt or offended, but before you can say "they did it" it'll be a looong investigation. :( |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/16/13 at 11:49:19 5C535F555E5358545344515344360 wrote:
http://deadlinelive.info/2013/04/15/marathon-bombing-inside-job-um-coach-bomb-sniffing-dogs-were-at-start-finish-lines-for-drill/ Maybe they said it was a drill after,, need more info,, http://www.naturalnews.com/039926_Boston_marathon_bombing_terrorism.html Go down the page a ways.. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 04/16/13 at 12:33:35 OK, I read your supposed source. To me, nothing but another nut job web site to feed upon people who love this off the wall stuff. But, since it's a web site on the internet, it's got to be believable, right? |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/16/13 at 15:33:41 Several reliable witnesses saw bomb sniffing dogs and LEO's on the roofs of several buildings. As of right now I will believe law enforcement was tipped off. If they were they did a lousy job of protecting the citizens. Jerry I admire and respect you as much or more than anyone on this forum. If you can explain this http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/911/bbc-reports-collapse-of-wtc-building-7-over-20-mins-early.html and why my wife was called in to remove Bin Ladens family before his name was ever mentioned on the news I'll never ever consider another conspiracy theory. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 04/16/13 at 15:51:32 Midnight - Who are the reliable witnesses, and what makes them reliable. As a former Army intelligence officer, I've seen my share of nut cases. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Ed L. on 04/16/13 at 15:59:16 I'll take a guess and say it was done by a loner, somebody who had a ax to grind with society. Can't see how any conspiracy theory could fit what little info the media has been feeding us and none of the big terrorist groups have stepped up and taken responsablity for the bombing. Small simply made bombs on individual timers points to a loner. Conspiracies have a reason for the action or possibly the reaction caused by the bombing. This looks like someone who was just pi$$ed off about something and needed to make a violent statement. For all we know the bomber could of been fired from a company who helped sponser the run and he was getting "even". I don't like trying to get into the minds of nut jobs, It is too easy to cross the line and become a nut also. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/16/13 at 16:59:29 Jerry the one person I remember interviewed is a high school teacher and coach. I'll go back and find the article if you can explain to me how that newscaster announced building # 7 fell 20 minutes before it fell. The BBC Broadcast station was sued over the video and the court case was this week. The BBC won. I'm not saying yesterday was a government job, I said just the opposite and blamed it on lousy law enforcement. 911 was an inside job, the video proves it, it's a live broadcast that was seen on TV, no way to doctor it. With upmost respect. Midnight |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/16/13 at 17:04:20 BBC video feed may be far more delayed than their headset and audio feed. You know that the Janet jackson nipple slip - we may have never seen it on TV right ... they had something like a 3-4 minute delay and the decision to "show" it was made by the CEO of CBS ... The BBC delay may be 20+ mins, they may have heard it on their headset, the video feed took its sweet time to get shown. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Ed L. on 04/16/13 at 18:21:19 Isn't it SOP to have police along with bomb sniffing dogs present at outdoor events nowadays? How does having police at an event relate into a conspiracy when they are at all major events for crowd control. Misinformation is rampant during attacks like the bombing or 9/11, any eyewitness account really needs to be taken with a grain of salt not as the gospal truth. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/16/13 at 18:22:06 Sri the building was still standing in the background when she announced it had fallen. You can see the building standing the whole time while she was talking about it falling. Take the time to watch the video. 20 minutes after she announced it had fallen it fell inside itself just like a building falls when demolition experts rig it. It was live broadcast TV. I don't see how anyone can even think about arguing with this one. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/16/13 at 18:27:38 64404D47404E415D5B404D4C5B290 wrote:
I know I have seen it when JOG posted it. The news caster is on the phone in her ear with a local affiliate who is on the street in front of it - or as close to it as they are allowed to get. She's getting info in her ear. The video upload goes through a lot of BS. That has a delay. What she knows would come to her in seconds. The delay is whatever it is for whatever reason and if its 20 min, she'll hear that its fallen and call it on the air only to have it show up 20 min later. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/16/13 at 18:53:36 Horse crap |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/13 at 19:06:11 So, no need to feel hurt or offended, it's not that, it's just I've spoken to you enough to know you've got a serious anti-American slant and frankly, I don't want to listen to it today. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/16/13 at 19:07:11 You know that the Janet jackson nipple slip - we may have never seen it on TV right ... they had something like a 3-4 minute delay and the decision to "show" it was made by the CEO of CBS ... I call BS on that. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/16/13 at 19:21:20 5F6D6A7B7C6D7A45697A63080 wrote:
Calling BS on what Web ? the delay or the CEO's decision, or the nipple itself ? ;D Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/16/13 at 20:27:56 Victory for 9/11 Justice! Inbox x Apr 15 (1 day ago) to undisclosed recipients Tony Rooke refused to pay a TV license fee because the BBC intentionally misrepresented facts about the 9/11 attacks, he alleged. It is widely known that the BBC reported the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 over 20 minutes before it occurred. WTC 7 was a 47- story skyscraper that was not hit by a plane on 9/11 but collapsed at free-fall speed later that day. So Rooke said the BBC had to have had prior knowledge to a terror attack making them complicit in the attack. He presented the BBC footage to the judge along with a slew of other evidence, and the judge agreed that Rooke had a reasonable case to protest. Rooke was found not guilty and he was not fined for failure to pay the licensing fee. Video (about 8 and a half mins): Victory for 9/11 Justice! Here is the broadcast where the BBC announced the collapse of WTC 7 while it was still standing behind the reporter: Video (about 9 mins) BBC Reports Collapse of WTC Building 7 Over 20 mins Early |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/16/13 at 20:37:50 Whether you believe the 911 conspiracy theory or not when our government orders 1.6 billion bullets (that cant be used legally anywhere else) tanks, thousands of guns and creates a Homeland Security Gestapo common sense should tell you the sh!t is gonna hit the fan. Enough said. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/16/13 at 22:30:16 72565B515658574B4D565B5A4D3F0 wrote:
No Duhhh.. That the dumb masses cant see whats coming is enough to piss a guy OFF. The economy is teetering on the edge, so, theyre preparing for a Seriously angry populace.. Theyve been working us over for decades. War after war to transfer wealth to the elite, who make $$ off both sides, making & selling weapons. Even Rockefeller stated that the elite are in trouble because more people are awake now than ever, that was 2 years ago,, & the number who see whats going on have increased over that time. Jerry, youre an embarrassment |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by thumperclone on 04/16/13 at 22:46:45 that lil twerp from N.K. is behind it Bostons' patriots' day and N.K.s 100th year celebration of his grand daddies birth |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by mpescatori on 04/17/13 at 04:10:19 7B494E5F58495E614D5E472C0 wrote:
WM, you have a PM, read it and think. By the way, I signed as #31 the Presidential Petition to save Wounded Knee. I was there as a kid and still remember that visit. Have you ever been there ? |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/17/13 at 05:39:12 Have you ever been there ? what's the reason behind putting you in italics? |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 04/17/13 at 06:16:22 And, please question these supposed sources as much, if not more, than you question traditional sources. Sorry, but I don't know your wife's story about Bin Laden's family. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/17/13 at 07:34:41 13373A303739362A2C373A3B2C5E0 wrote:
You cant be serious - the time to move and protect them on 9/11 is before the news gets out. After the news gets out that would be the time to bury them. The angry mob will have beat them to pulp. There were people calling me raghead - and I'm bald. People broke temples (Indian - who has been fighting al quaida for 50 years - or we fought pakisthan and they started al quaida to fight India). We'd have had mob justice if Bib laden got mentioned before his family was hidden. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/17/13 at 15:26:34 Sri you're right, hadn't thought of it in that way. I think instead of being flown back to their own country and releases they should have been held for questioning but its a commonly known fact that the Bush's and Bin Ladens were business partners and looked out after each other.George Sr and Osama's half brother are in the same oil cartel. George W Bush made a mistake one day when a camera was running. His exact words were "I don't care about Osama Bin Laden" |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/17/13 at 15:51:10 commonly known fact that the Bush's and Bin Ladens were business partners and looked out after each other.George Sr and Osama's half brother are in the same oil cartel. George W Bush made a mistake one day when a camera was running. His exact words were "I don't care about Osama Bin Laden" There’s a serious amount of BS and misinformation here. To say that Bush and Bin Laden were business partners is a bit of a stretch. That’s like saying because Bush’s family knew Hinkley’s family, Bush Sr. was involved when John Hinkley shot Ronald Regan. Of course the Bushs knew the Hinkleys. Oil is a niche industry, everyone who’s a major player in the market knows everyone else. Example; my industry is fibers. The owners of the company I work for know pretty much everyone in the fiber industry around the world. There’s just not that many, maybe 200 or so. If something were to happened to the head of another fiber company, the owners of my company would certainly know them. You are connecting random dots that have to relationship to one another. This is how the 9/11 truther guys come up with their nonsense. And Bush did not make a mistake in the sense you are thinking. His mistake was perhaps not remaining on guard knowing his words would be taken out of context. The context was bin laden would never again be able to run Al Qaeda like he did before; out in the open. He was marginalized and forced to hide out for the rest of his life. As the compound he was killed in showed, he had been relegated to taking Viagra, watching porn, waxing his dolphin and writing far-fetched plans about blowing up Washington DC. In the big picture of the day to day terrorist management, he was nothing. That's what Bush meant when he said he didn't care about him. His role had been taken over by others and those were the people he was after. Now, that doesn't mean bin laden shouldn't have been killed, he should have. Doesn't mean he wasn't a big target, he was. They searched for him and Obama was sitting in the oval office when they found him. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by bill67 on 04/17/13 at 16:32:59 If all the runners and spectators were carrying a gun that day how would that of helped.I'm against carrying weapon,I grew up that way without people carrying. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Ed L. on 04/17/13 at 17:17:59 Billy, what does that have to do with anything?? How about banning pressure cookers instead or running shoes cause the event was a run and without running shoes no body would of been there. Your comment about guns makes about as much sense as mine does, get the point?? |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/17/13 at 17:37:15 5273485B39170 wrote:
This was a terrorist plot. We cant ban our way out of things with terrorists, well funded and motivated people will find some way . Again its a squeeze, we give em fewer and fewer options. OKC was a huge bomb, the bomb was in a truck, and blew up a building. We have squeezed it to a backpack. The sniffing dogs and cops etc etc will be more present in crowds ... but the NYC subway types are always a liability. Very hard to get a backpack bomb detected. It will probably start attracting attention cos it looks abandoned - like this one didn't. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Ed L. on 04/17/13 at 18:17:22 Terrorist attack or random act of violence, both have the same final effect, more police on the corner without better protection overall. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/17/13 at 19:21:27 Quote:
Hmmm, maybe these motivated people will create some sort of market where things can be purchased outside the law. They may even refer to this market by some sort of color...I think the color black should be used. You are right about not being able to ban our way out of things like pressure cookers and explosives and potassium products and bullets and guns and such... |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by bill67 on 04/17/13 at 19:24:46 If everyone carried a weapon there would be far more killings than there is now.Good people would be killing another good person over a small little argument.Like you got that parking space and I was after it first. And all the crazes will still be killing. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/17/13 at 19:54:03 505B5E5E0405320 wrote:
Actually, that happens now because so few people can defend themselves. I guarantee you the promise of an agonizing death in a hail of gunfire will convince most people to be a little kinder. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/17/13 at 23:50:02 Bill,, isnt it time for you to accept that just because you believe something MIGHT be true, that doesnt necessarily make it so? Have you EVER been wrong? How about you & everyone Like you sit down & SHUT UP & Stop trying to Tell me I would shoot someone because they scratched my darn CAR?? YOu are seldom right, but never in doubt. Thats arrogance, Bill,, My Grampa carried a 38, in he belt, when he opened the store & when he closed it. The cops knew, I imagine all the locals knew. & No ONE ever tried to rob him,, Now, IF the law was such that made it illegal for him to have a gun, then all that would have needed to happen is 3 or 4 punks jump him & they coulda split his skull & then split his $$$. YOu dont have a CLUE what happens when you make it illegal for people to carry. & YOuve been conned into believing some "Warm Fuzzy" idea,, darn,, just SHUT UP.,.all you gun cointro9l experts,, SHUT UP,, America doesnt Need you gutless girl thingies. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 06:08:46 JOG - you may not shoot someone over scratching your car, but I know of quite a few that will. In fact I know of a 1 who would shoot the guy who said his amplifier was blowed up after he gave him the amplifier saying it was blowed up and to fix it. Its a little hard to understand ... so let me drop the 3rd person ... My "friend" gave me an amp to work on cos it was blown up after he ran it on 4 ohm speakers when it was rated @8 ohm only. He knew I am an amateur tinkerer, but I work for peanuts ... I work on it and conclude its had lots of parts burnt or untestable cos other junk was failed and several burn spots in the boards indicating overheat/burn etc etc, you had to replace 1/2 the thing to even test the other 1/2. I tell him so ... Dude flies off the handle yelling and screaming saying I am calling his receiver "blown up" ... huh ... didn't you tell me not 3 days ago it was blown up ... So trust me, there are people who will kill each other over a parking spot, a scratch, a receiver, a dime found on the road, you look @ my woman funny etc etc etc ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Paraquat on 04/18/13 at 06:14:33 http://https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/165489_188158537999679_1763800576_n.jpg Bill - I think more people carried than you realized. I imagine they did so concealed though. Probably where they got "concealed carry" from. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 08:37:07 Quote:
Yes, and the place for those people is in the ground or in prison. I won't give up my right do defend myself and my family so these people can run free. What you conveniently ignore is that this can and does happen now with weapons other then guns. Your premise is greatly flawed because of this. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by rfw2003 on 04/18/13 at 09:11:57 292227277D7C4B0 wrote:
You know bill if that was gonna happen, it would be happening all the time all over the US right now. You would be amazed at how many people have their CCL today and also carry most of the time. Yet we don't have a hail of gun fire on the streets from the stuff you describe now do we. Granted the population is getting less and less smart but there is still some common sense there, not much I grant you but some. I don't have the sites with the stats right now on hand, but it has been shown, that the areas where the CCL's have been allowed to pass the the public does use their privilege and right, the crime rate has dropped considerably. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by bill67 on 04/18/13 at 09:22:57 It will start happening,I went from 20 year old till 64 without a gun,Guns weren't in then,other than hunting,Now all you do is hear about guns and they will be very in for the young people growing up if we don't make some restrictions.Forget about your self and think about the future of your kids and grand kids.Any stats today aren't what they will be 1,2,5,10,years from now. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/18/13 at 09:37:56 So, because you know a stupid person, I shouldnt be allowed to protect myself & family,, Makes Perfect sense |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 09:46:31 405F595E43447545754D5F53182A0 wrote:
BINGO!!! ;D ;D ;D My rights aren't dependant on the foolishness of others. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 10:11:01 694C43486C414148432D0 wrote:
Once again focussing on the wrong thing. What about the dead guy. What about his family ... yea dont even say he should shoot the shooter before he shoots him ... cos we all know how well it worked in case of the texas prison warden and deputy etc. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 10:12:48 0D28272C0825252C27490 wrote:
BINGO!!! ;D ;D ;D My rights aren't dependant on the foolishness of others.[/quote] So you drive drunk then ? Cos you've not driven drunk and killed no one ... why should you have to stay sober while driving. 99% of drunks have not killed anyone driving ... they should all stay drunk while driving ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 10:18:21 5A5B4047485D41290 wrote:
BINGO!!! ;D ;D ;D My rights aren't dependant on the foolishness of others.[/quote] So you drive drunk then ? Cos you've not driven drunk and killed no one ... why should you have to stay sober while driving. 99% of drunks have not killed anyone driving ... they should all stay drunk while driving ? Cool. Srinath.[/quote] ;D ;D ;D There is no constitutional right to drive drunk - or even drive. ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 10:21:10 25243F3837223E560 wrote:
Once again focussing on the wrong thing. What about the dead guy. What about his family ... yea dont even say he should shoot the shooter before he shoots him ... cos we all know how well it worked in case of the texas prison warden and deputy etc. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] What about the dead guy and his family? I didn't shoot any Texas prison Warden or Deputy. I have only been to texas once and that was to Houston for a couple of days on business in 2002 so don't try to accuse me of shooting anyone!! |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 10:46:54 5F7A757E5A77777E751B0 wrote:
Once again focussing on the wrong thing. What about the dead guy. What about his family ... yea dont even say he should shoot the shooter before he shoots him ... cos we all know how well it worked in case of the texas prison warden and deputy etc. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] What about the dead guy and his family? I didn't shoot any Texas prison Warden or Deputy. I have only been to texas once and that was to Houston for a couple of days on business in 2002 so don't try to accuse me of shooting anyone!![/quote] Yikes Dane ... In case of being shot over a parking spot or other trivial crap - I didn't say you shot someone - I was just saying dont use "Shoot the shooter before he shoots you" defence cos well armed people still got shot. Go back and re-read that post. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 10:57:31 4F4E55525D48543C0 wrote:
Once again focussing on the wrong thing. What about the dead guy. What about his family ... yea dont even say he should shoot the shooter before he shoots him ... cos we all know how well it worked in case of the texas prison warden and deputy etc. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] What about the dead guy and his family? I didn't shoot any Texas prison Warden or Deputy. I have only been to texas once and that was to Houston for a couple of days on business in 2002 so don't try to accuse me of shooting anyone!![/quote] Yikes Dane ... In case of being shot over a parking spot or other trivial crap - I didn't say you shot someone - I was just saying dont use "Shoot the shooter before he shoots you" defence cos well armed people still got shot. Go back and re-read that post. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Penalizing me as if I did is the same thing, taking away my rights because of some guy in Texas is the same as pronouncing me guilty. Why should my family suffer for someone else's crime? |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 11:11:16 7D7C67606F7A660E0 wrote:
Once again focussing on the wrong thing. What about the dead guy. What about his family ... yea dont even say he should shoot the shooter before he shoots him ... cos we all know how well it worked in case of the texas prison warden and deputy etc. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Once again you're missing the point. Lets see if I can paraphrase: You said in your post quote here - the guy who shoots someone over a scratch/parking/dime should be in prison or dead. My reply is - What about the guy who got killed, and his family. And you cant say he should have shot that other guy first, cos that didn't work even in the case of a well armed prison warden and deputy. OK is that clear ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Paraquat on 04/18/13 at 11:17:06 303B3E3E6465520 wrote:
How do you explain the constant drop in gun violence? Statistics are awesome unless they reveal trends you don't care to see. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 11:32:50 56574C4B44514D250 wrote:
Once again focussing on the wrong thing. What about the dead guy. What about his family ... yea dont even say he should shoot the shooter before he shoots him ... cos we all know how well it worked in case of the texas prison warden and deputy etc. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Once again you're missing the point. Lets see if I can paraphrase: You said in your post quote here - the guy who shoots someone over a scratch/parking/dime should be in prison or dead. My reply is - What about the guy who got killed, and his family. And you cant say he should have shot that other guy first, cos that didn't work even in the case of a well armed prison warden and deputy. OK is that clear ? Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Yes, it is very clear and you need to explain why I should lose my constitution rights for this? What did I do that justifies being repressed because of what happened to someone else. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 11:50:42 1E3B343F1B36363F345A0 wrote:
Because the assumption that when everyone is armed everyone is safe is fundamentally wrong. Armed people like the prison warden get killed too. If we have $100 bullet, the shooter will have to spend several 10's of 1000's to do a rampage, and this killing - its gonna have happened anyway, its killing for a cause - or an assasination. However the get killed over a scratch, parking spot or a dime wont happen ... cos the bullet is 100, that lying on the floor is a dime. Screw it not worth it ... Everyone is safer from being random killed. You'd need to be assassinated. My idea is not to take away anyone's gun. Lets compare these 2 ... you got a DUI ... guess what your insurance will be ... yes several 100 more ... if not several 1000, how much would you pay in fines ? how much in court fees ? The $100 bullet = same thing. No one is touching your second amendment. You can keep and bear arms ... who said otherwise ? You can kill someone who attacks you. Your famous "department of bullet returns" was it will give you bullet after your trial unless you shot the cable guy. It will just be very $$$ to random kill and that is even before you have thought about killing someone. Random mass killing even more $$$$$. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 12:32:34 3332292E213428400 wrote:
The proof is that when everyone is unarmed, no one is safe. This is not an assumption, this is proven in the real world. Quote:
Unarmed people in malls and movie theatres get killed too. Quote:
Not the illegal, immoral, unworkable, illogical, irresponsible $100 per bullet tax joke again!! Did you forget this makes no sense already??? Quote:
No, just to make sure they can't use it. Like you don't want to take away anyone's newspapers you just want to take away all the ink. They can still get the blank newspaper and so the 1st ammendment is upheld. You don't want to violate anyone's privacy, you just want to examine and catalog all their stuff. Quote:
Can't compare DUI because driving is a priviledge and we have a 2nd Ammendment right to own guns. If your argument holds up then you can use another ammendment to make the comparison. Use freedom of religion or freedom of association to compare. Like a $100 tax on practicing Catholics or a $100 tax on being gay, to compare to your $100 tax on bullets. Quote:
The government has $$$$$ and another $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, what stops them from saying "we will do the mass killing" like has happened in all those other places? |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Paraquat on 04/18/13 at 16:06:48 That's a horrible comparison. Allow me to counter: Kids are stupid. Insurance rates are higher for "kids" because they are stupid, inattentive, don't have experience driving, etc. Why must all kids suffer for the actions of a few? What about the few who never get or have gotten any tickets? Are you going to refund them for every accident they didn't get in when they pull into the driveway? --Steve |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 16:38:43 Quote:
Not that I need to debunk foolishness this anymore than it already has but a couple points here. The insurance penalties that arrise from a DUI come after your Due Process has been observed, that is a trial and guilty verdict by a jury of your peers. This is not the same thing at all, as you allege above, because the 5th Ammendment is observed in the DUI example but totally ignored in the comparison. The $100 per bullet tax violates at least the 2nd and 5th Ammendments to the Constitution and is immoral on its face. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/18/13 at 17:14:52 For the 2nd time shooting is a sport! You cant charge $100 for a bullet no more than you can charge $100 for a golf or tennis ball. I'll probably go to a friends place and shoot some Sat. if the weather allows. I might deer hunt when season comes in.There's too many of them in this area, they need to be thinned out and I eat the meat. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 17:31:37 4677647767637762160 wrote:
This is not quite accurate - this is why - Kids are inexperienced as well. as they gain experience and they dont have accidents their rates drop and drop very steeply, the first 1-2 years are the highest. Once you get to year 3 and no accidents, you'd be shocked @ how low it is. BTW I know this cos I had to go through this @ the age of 23-24. It was a whopping 150 a month. I got around it by owning a motorcycle for 2 years. Then with nearly 3 yrs under my belt of having a licence - and riding a bike in PA and WA - $55 a month on a new truck. Its not age per say, its in experience - and new drivers are inexperienced - no matter what their age ... Midnight - I could suggest you use a Co2 rifle which can do 5-6 shots and will kill the deer same as a bullet - but I suspect you dont want to hear that. Dane: Due process - yea you need to go through that before you can buy the $100 bullet ... ;D again the second amendment says you can keep and bear arms ... it says nothing about "we will sell it to you cheap" You can make your own, that will be OK, not a crime, you see second amendment ... Guys while you have been arguing with me I think the time to have bought bullets cheap is gone. You might as well go out and find guano and sulphur and what ever ... cos everyone I have spoken to has noticed a shortage ... But that is just around here - how is it country wide ... TX prolly has lots ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 17:49:28 10353A31153838313A540 wrote:
The proof is that when everyone is unarmed, no one is safe. This is not an assumption, this is proven in the real world. Quote:
Unarmed people in malls and movie theatres get killed too. Quote:
Not the illegal, immoral, unworkable, illogical, irresponsible $100 per bullet tax joke again!! Did you forget this makes no sense already??? Quote:
No, just to make sure they can't use it. Like you don't want to take away anyone's newspapers you just want to take away all the ink. They can still get the blank newspaper and so the 1st ammendment is upheld. You don't want to violate anyone's privacy, you just want to examine and catalog all their stuff. Quote:
Can't compare DUI because driving is a priviledge and we have a 2nd Ammendment right to own guns. If your argument holds up then you can use another ammendment to make the comparison. Use freedom of religion or freedom of association to compare. Like a $100 tax on practicing Catholics or a $100 tax on being gay, to compare to your $100 tax on bullets. Quote:
The government has $$$$$ and another $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, what stops them from saying "we will do the mass killing" like has happened in all those other places?[/quote] No Dane when no one is armed everyone is safe ... when one bad guy is armed is when the whole equation goes belly up. Armed people getting killed is the example I am using for "being armed doesn't protect you or your family". The $100 or other appropriate big number - maybe 20, maybe 50, maybe 200 ... will be a good hurdle to stop mass killings, you've done nothing to change that line of thinking. You are squealing like pig about it, makes me realize it will really work, but just inconvenience you like hell. Sorry I've already called several congress men and senators offices about it and suggested it. The first amendment isn't evoked by the newspaper. Its individual level. Its irrelevant in the sense you have used it. Your rights are not infringed by taking your newspaper ... its the newspapers rights that have been infringed. OK OK you have paid for the thing. That is stealing - it would be violating the first commandment not the 1st amendment. The right to drive is in the constitution - "You've heard or "pursuit of happiness" have you ? when the whole world has to drive, there aint no pursuit without driving. That is why judges allow people to drive to work and back with the first DUI. 2 within a year or something like that ... you lose it. If the govt wanted to kill you ... they could do so in seconds ... they could level your state, city, block, house ... anything and that is without even thinking of the bullets they have bought recently. You will never have the kind of arms they have ... not even if you were another country. Your guns are for killing your neighbor and eating him after the govt levels your state. Same points over and over again ... sheesh. The last 6 months have been the same dumb ideas just different posters. And almost the same lies ... atleast you're not saying that abortion is hurting women cos 1/2 the babies aborted are girls. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by houstonbofh on 04/18/13 at 20:39:35 6F6E75727D68741C0 wrote:
Why do you keep bringing this up when it can never happen? Not only will bad people still have guns, (Like bad cops, or bad solders, or bad FBI men, or bad politicians) but they will also have knives, clubs, pressure cookers, cars, trucks, bricks, rocks, and just hands to choke the crap out of you. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 20:55:25 080F1513140F0E020F0608600 wrote:
Why do you keep bringing this up when it can never happen? Not only will bad people still have guns, (Like bad cops, or bad solders, or bad FBI men, or bad politicians) but they will also have knives, clubs, pressure cookers, cars, trucks, bricks, rocks, and just hands to choke the crap out of you.[/quote] Once again - this must be the 30000th time I am saying this. Bad guys having guns is a bit of a red herring. Yea they will get them ... but, they dont want to ever use them. They want to show it, get what they want and get away. So they can have a gun, it wont result in a mass killing, in fact it may result in a mugging if you are in a situation like that. The crackpot getting guns and ammo is the real issue ... they want to shoot @ random and with the last bullet kill themselves. You can be armed ... in fact they are armed against themselves. They want to spray 30,000 bullets into the crowd and the last one into themselves. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 21:56:15 3C3D26212E3B274F0 wrote:
Why do you keep bringing this up when it can never happen? Not only will bad people still have guns, (Like bad cops, or bad solders, or bad FBI men, or bad politicians) but they will also have knives, clubs, pressure cookers, cars, trucks, bricks, rocks, and just hands to choke the crap out of you.[/quote] Once again - this must be the 30000th time I am saying this. [/quote] We know!! You have no capacity to learn, we have corrected you for the 30001st time and you still are incapable of understanding your logical shortcomings. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 22:01:02 7E7F64636C79650D0 wrote:
The proof is that when everyone is unarmed, no one is safe. This is not an assumption, this is proven in the real world. Quote:
Unarmed people in malls and movie theatres get killed too. Quote:
Not the illegal, immoral, unworkable, illogical, irresponsible $100 per bullet tax joke again!! Did you forget this makes no sense already??? Quote:
No, just to make sure they can't use it. Like you don't want to take away anyone's newspapers you just want to take away all the ink. They can still get the blank newspaper and so the 1st ammendment is upheld. You don't want to violate anyone's privacy, you just want to examine and catalog all their stuff. Quote:
Can't compare DUI because driving is a priviledge and we have a 2nd Ammendment right to own guns. If your argument holds up then you can use another ammendment to make the comparison. Use freedom of religion or freedom of association to compare. Like a $100 tax on practicing Catholics or a $100 tax on being gay, to compare to your $100 tax on bullets. Quote:
The government has $$$$$ and another $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, what stops them from saying "we will do the mass killing" like has happened in all those other places?[/quote] No Dane when no one is armed everyone is safe ... when one bad guy is armed is when the whole equation goes belly up. Armed people getting killed is the example I am using for "being armed doesn't protect you or your family". The $100 or other appropriate big number - maybe 20, maybe 50, maybe 200 ... will be a good hurdle to stop mass killings, you've done nothing to change that line of thinking. You are squealing like pig about it, makes me realize it will really work, but just inconvenience you like hell. Sorry I've already called several congress men and senators offices about it and suggested it. The first amendment isn't evoked by the newspaper. Its individual level. Its irrelevant in the sense you have used it. Your rights are not infringed by taking your newspaper ... its the newspapers rights that have been infringed. OK OK you have paid for the thing. That is stealing - it would be violating the first commandment not the 1st amendment. The right to drive is in the constitution - "You've heard or "pursuit of happiness" have you ? when the whole world has to drive, there aint no pursuit without driving. That is why judges allow people to drive to work and back with the first DUI. 2 within a year or something like that ... you lose it. If the govt wanted to kill you ... they could do so in seconds ... they could level your state, city, block, house ... anything and that is without even thinking of the bullets they have bought recently. You will never have the kind of arms they have ... not even if you were another country. Your guns are for killing your neighbor and eating him after the govt levels your state. Same points over and over again ... sheesh. The last 6 months have been the same dumb ideas just different posters. And almost the same lies ... atleast you're not saying that abortion is hurting women cos 1/2 the babies aborted are girls. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] This would be funny if it weren't so sad...well, it's actually been fun dismantling your broken logic all over the place, even if you didn't get it or learn anything. You can go back to your dream world now. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/18/13 at 23:29:35 67667D7A75607C140 wrote:
Why do you keep bringing this up when it can never happen? Not only will bad people still have guns, (Like bad cops, or bad solders, or bad FBI men, or bad politicians) but they will also have knives, clubs, pressure cookers, cars, trucks, bricks, rocks, and just hands to choke the crap out of you.[/quote] Once again - this must be the 30000th time I am saying this. Bad guys having guns is a bit of a red herring. Yea they will get them ... but, they dont want to ever use them. They want to show it, get what they want and get away. So they can have a gun, it wont result in a mass killing, in fact it may result in a mugging if you are in a situation like that. The crackpot getting guns and ammo is the real issue ... they want to shoot @ random and with the last bullet kill themselves. You can be armed ... in fact they are armed against themselves. They want to spray 30,000 bullets into the crowd and the last one into themselves. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Yea they will get them ... but, they dont want to ever use them. Well,, that explains drive by's.. Ohh, wait,, No, in fact,, Ohh Now Im confused. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by mpescatori on 04/19/13 at 02:34:20 Pop corn, root beer and Cracker Jacks... The way you guys have hijacked this thread from "Boston Marathon Bombings" into "Gun Control" is really entertaining! Who needs cable TV ? :D |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Retread on 04/19/13 at 06:11:46 I'm waiting for it to morph into birth control.... |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WD on 04/19/13 at 08:35:18 NBC "news" is saying the suspects are a couple of "Russian" born Muslim separatists. From one of the satellite "-stans" along the Russia-China-Afghan border area. Any group with a proven track record of refusing to assimilate needs to be barred entry. We have enough home grown problems, we need to stop importing those from some other part of the globe. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Retread on 04/19/13 at 08:58:43 They have been here in the USA for over ten years.. One dead, one to go... |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/19/13 at 09:08:21 Quote:
This is a lie, a flat out, bald faced lie. Please explain why crime is soo much higher anywhere in England than the worst place in America? And a real explanation, please, not just made up apples to oranges comparisons. Quote:
You aren't very good at math so you might want to back off these equations. But here you seem to state the obvious while hurting your position and strengthening all of ours. It is very bad for just the bad guys to have guns and is equally as good for the rest of us to be armed. You probably weren't aware you helped us out so I'm just letting you know. Quote:
You misuse it as an absolute while evidence shows many crimes prevented with guns. Sorry, your example has been shot down a while ago and is just not true. Quote:
Now that this idea has been demolished with logic and reason you are doubling down because you are incapable of admitting learning from your mistakes. Where is the comparison you promised? Please compare to a $100 tax on being Mormon or $100 tax to join the American Motorcyclist Association. How about a $100 to have a trial by jury or a $100 tax on search warrants servead against you? Feel free to pick any of the Ammendments so as to compare apples to apples. Quote:
Really? So, my alledged ability to mimic the sounds of farm animals (or is it a wild pig) is all the proof you need to show that your unconstitutional $100 tax per bullet idea is sound. When you called the government about your idea did you mention the flouride in the water and violent ground acquisition games such as football is in fact a crypto-fascist metaphor for nuclear war? Quote:
Nice dodge and deflection. Yes, the newspaper is relevant because it does no good for a reported to write a story and then be prevented from distributing it. Silly man!! Quote:
This whole paragraph is just plain wrong but equally laughable. ;D ;D ;D Quote:
I didn't think you could be any funnier then the paragraph before but you have proven me wrong (first time for everything) and soo soon too. Thank you, I really had a good laugh ;D ;D ;D Quote:
Are you referring to the voices in your head because day-to-day you don't seem all that different. I can tell you part of the problem is you seem to come up with solutions without ever understanding the problem. The $100 per bullet tax is a perfect example. Another problem is you admit to a lot of different people over the past 6 months have tried to educate you and help you understand but you have refused them all. Your refusal to listen, think, discuss, open your mind, use logic, use reason and ask questions rather than just state a bunch of nonsense and then defend said nonsense to the end. Quote:
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/19/13 at 09:09:29 60574640575356320 wrote:
Good Lord, NO!! |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/19/13 at 09:10:35 02352422353134500 wrote:
No American friends...10 years is a long time to not make any ties. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Retread on 04/19/13 at 09:52:42 Anti-gun, Progun, both sides have their lies to adhere to.. One, a gun is but a tool with one purpose, to kill. Now you can argue self defense, family protection, defense of the nation, blah blah, but it is still designed to kill. Most pro-gun people like playing with them, shooting contests, most hunt for the sport, not the need for meat.. Most anti-gun people live in a fairytale world, where the police are there to protect you and your family, and think that all will be better without guns. Even though violence is becoming more and more prevelant in our society, as apathy and mental illness spread. And if society breaks down they will ignore the crazy with a gun in their face.. A car is not designed to kill, therefore it is not and should not be part of the debate.. I grow weary of the pro-gun people saying the government is going to take their guns, so far I have seen no evidence to support their claim. And I tire of the NRA being such a bunch of ignorant, pro gun industry zealots.. Common sense safety should take precidence! I grow weary of the anti-gun people claming the evil of the gun, the limit of rounds in magazines is going to stop mass killings, and the outlawing of AR's, Ak's, and other weapons will magically make it better, IT WON"T! Some of the worse killing in this nation were done with single shot rifles, airliners, bombs.. For the rest of the nation, we live in a society that worships war, we are taught from a young age to use plastic guns, play war, video games with blood and guts, movies, we are surrounded by the good guy/bad guy, kill em all mentality.. What do people expect? As the population grows, the insane, the lack of REAL mental health treatment, and the prescription of more anti-depressants, along with easy acess to weapons, goes BOOM..... I don't see much common sense, and when it shows, it gets shot down... |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by bill67 on 04/19/13 at 12:42:42 We are not a society that likes wars.I was a kid in the forties,Almost all of the movies were cowboy movies,Cowboys shooting at each other,but it never made anyone want to shoot someone.The wars we have started were to profit the rich.There isn't a country in the world thats wants wars.All countries want to be treated fair. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by bill67 on 04/19/13 at 12:49:42 How did that cop get killed in Boston he much of not been carrying a weapon.So much for carrying.You are much saver not carrying a weapon.If you shoot someone its up to the court to decided if you go to jail.Lot of people have went to jail because the courts were wrong. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/19/13 at 13:18:12 OK so now we know these 2 boston bombers also had guns. So the whole theory of "If we restrict guns people will kill with knives, baseball bats, pressure cookers or pink thongs (man saw one guy who was killed with a pink thong, like he was strangled and it took like 36 minutes ... and you could not tell where the pink thong ended and his fat ass began ... scary) ... OK what is the theory suggested by this data ? I'll tell you mine. Fundamentally the bomber wants to walk away and potentially live a long life planting more bombs. Our social media saturation has got him in under a week now ... but he hoped to do this many more times. we can hand out guns to these guys, they will only use it to shoot a cop when he's cornered. You can also restrict guns from these guys and they'd go ... OK we make bomb, gun we dont need. The shooter wants to cause mayhem and die on the scene. Keep guns from this guy and he'd strangle people with pink thongs and then strangle himself when cornered. Of course the true career criminal wants to just have a gun for protection and for show, and wants to make away with whatever he is after. Keep guns from this group, and they will find em ... or use knives in some situations. There is a fundamental difference between these 3 groups. Stopping team #2 is easy - gun control, bullet control etc. #1 dont care, #3 will get em anyway. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Retread on 04/19/13 at 14:14:09 646F6A6A3031060 wrote:
I said we worship war, every little town in this nation has a memorial of some sort... We have to have an enemy at all times, hell, we even made enemys of tactics (Terror), and substances (Drugs)..... |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/19/13 at 14:54:43 487F6E687F7B7E1A0 wrote:
I said we worship war, every little town in this nation has a memorial of some sort... We have to have an enemy at all times, hell, we even made enemys of tactics (Terror), and substances (Drugs)..... [/quote] I think he meant historically. We now have war on everything ... even good causes - poverty, hunger and homelessness. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/19/13 at 15:18:52 6774300 wrote:
100% agree and how did I miss this post of yours ... in fact this was what Rush Limbaugh said in the 1 hr I listened to him back in 07. I agreed with him for once ... The jist was this - you sneak into this country, take up jobs illegally, socialize only with your ilk, speak only your language and live here for years and years breaking the law and we are to believe you wont break any more laws ? Yea something like "Welcome to america. Now speak english". We dont even care if you murder it. It just needs to be english. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Ed L. on 04/19/13 at 18:28:29 I think this covers it, "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/19/13 at 18:34:05 Should have been an amendment ... too bad, now it has the same value as used toilet paper. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/19/13 at 21:41:22 The bastards killing this country speak English. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/19/13 at 21:55:50 637C7A7D60675666566E7C703B090 wrote:
They reside in Washington and Wall Street. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by maxtowers on 04/20/13 at 11:54:47 I just wanted to extend to all the American People my deepest condolences for what happened in Boston... I am born in Italy but always looked at the USA with so much love and admiration that basically i live my life here following the american values, and professing openly my passion for the USA (and let me tell you, here it's not easy, as i live in Tuscany, a so called "red region" where also is placed Camp Darby, one of the biggest Army Base in Europe, and many italians don't like that). If i had the necessary skills to move to the USA as the INS requires i would probably already did, but i'm no doctor or surgeon or astrophysic so i guess i stay here and come to the US for vacation once in a while... i don't want to be an illegal immigrant, it would be pointless and against what i belive. Anyway, i followed on Fox News the development of the search of those two suspects and i' m glad that this is over... at least this part, while the grief for the families that has lost loved ones will continue indefinitely... But i know that american people are strong and will defeat fear and evil. Again, my most sincere condolences and all my love. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Retread on 04/20/13 at 14:30:00 The only thing you must change maxtowers is watching Fox news, it aint news, its opinion... My family was from the Tyrole area, my Dad was born in Rallo.. They imigrated in the early 1900's, my Grandfather and Grandmother died when my Dad was three from typhus.. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WD on 04/20/13 at 16:18:30 Max, you don't need to have viable skills anymore to become a resident of this country. A quick pass through any "ethnic" neighborhood in Seattle on one of your vacations would prove that to you. Lots of Slavic gangsters, tribal Africans, south east Asian gangsters... just claim "oppression" in your homeland and some church will sponsor you... If you are going to watch one "news" channel, balance it out with one from the opposing viewpoint. Right down the middle of the 2 is somewhat closer to reality. If I want actual news about what is going on in the USA, I'll watch an internet channel out of Finland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Spain, Germany, Belgium or Holland. They haven't sold out to this country's special interest groups yet. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Retread on 04/20/13 at 17:01:40 Their are some good people in those neighborhoods also, people seem to only see the bad... |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/20/13 at 17:03:04 Man dont listen to WD - Or I am not sure what he's talking about ... But I was bloody well qualified to run a mid sized data crunching operation when I started my career, I still was on the bleeding edge for 3 or so years with a set of packed suitcases in case I lost my job, 30 days to get out ... then around 96-97 my employer assured me 90 days of work after I get let go from a contract - as in they had an internal project going so if I was out of external billable work, I'd work 90 days minimum. Then in 98 my 6 years ran out. So off to canada I went for 1 year - lucky I had serious experience by then. Back to US in 99, green card in 01 - 2 months before 9/11. And citizen in 2010. Anyway I wont say its easy to do it the legit way. It is possible if you have qualifications and experience and well patience to work in the immigration prison for a decade or 2. I am not sure about the refugee way which may be what WD talks about. I have asked him and not got answer. The illegal way - really its only open to mexicans. They are about the only ones who have a full blown underground economy ... no one else is allowed in, and they survive based on it. You dont find 30 brits in 1 house , or 30 french in 1 house or 30 italians in 1 house or 30 Injuns in 1 house (well they do if there is a wedding going on - else no) mexicans ... you find 30 in 1 house only if much of them have gone to work, and 2-3 women are coralling the 28 kids that belong to 12 families that live in that house. Otherwise the minimum is 50. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WD on 04/20/13 at 20:20:12 Correct, refugee way. War criminals, war lords, generic lazy... I'm all for allowing hard working, willing to come here and not only help themselves but help the community as a whole types. There are at least 2 mega-churches in the Seattle area that will bring over anybody who is willing to "convert", the church sponsors them in, knowing full well the "refugees" are feeding the congregation a load of $hit. As far as the ethnic neighborhoods, the only young male residents you see during normal business hours are the dregs, the decent folk have legit employment. Or have gotten older, made their money and moved on. Go to Belltown, Capitol Hill, Queen Anne, Rainier Beach or Columbia City, all Seattle neighborhoods. Or go to Lakewood, Salishan, Ponders, Tacoma's Hilltop District... |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by wambr on 04/20/13 at 21:03:10 guys, I'm sorry that late... I just don't really like the theme of the policy, and therefore this is my first post in this section at all...I offer you my sincere condolences to those two freaks made her nasty stuff...I'll never understand those people, who are ready to make a very hurt others for the sake only, to show that they were so cool(or justify some not understandable religious ideas and stuff..), I am pleased that these noobs still found and defused and justice I think [ch1074][ch1086][ch1089][ch1090][ch1086][ch1088][ch1078][ch1077][ch1089][ch1090][ch1074][ch1091][ch1077][ch1090]. PS sorry for the "sharp " expressions |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by maxtowers on 04/21/13 at 02:01:26 1102460 wrote:
Well, i watch Fox News because it's the only live channel here on the italian satellite dedicated to the US... CNN it's the international edition and basically speaks 80% of the time of Africa... you have a good point there checking the internet, tha fact is that i'm a little bit tired of the snobbish attitude of many european towards the US... To Retread: i love Tyrole, i use to spend many summers over there when i was a kid ... Now that i think of that, i could have a trip with my Savage to the tyrole area, in the summer would be awesome |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by maxtowers on 04/21/13 at 02:16:42 5253484F405549210 wrote:
Man you're right, but WD got a point, last time i was in New York there wasn't one cab that i took drove by an american driver... and in San Francisco was almost the same, russian, albanians, nigerians and many other ethnic groups. that confused me a bit, because you don't need much expertise to drive a cab, and an american born and raised in one of those cities i guess knows the place better than an immigrant... some of them spoke english very badly also, not to mention the latinos in L.A. that don't speak english at all... but i could speak with them because italian isn't that far from spanish. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/21/13 at 06:57:43 Lots of Indian cabbies in most cities, some time in the 70's and 80's they did some family based migration and they sorta went into an entrepreneurship type cab ownership. Yea figures Faux news is all you get over seas. They're the only ones with any real $$$. Love tha simpsons ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Retread on 04/21/13 at 07:11:38 [ Well, i watch Fox News because it's the only live channel here on the italian satellite dedicated to the US... CNN it's the international edition and basically speaks 80% of the time of Africa... you have a good point there checking the internet, tha fact is that i'm a little bit tired of the snobbish attitude of many european towards the US... To Retread: i love Tyrole, i use to spend many summers over there when i was a kid ... Now that i think of that, i could have a trip with my Savage to the tyrole area, in the summer would be awesome [/quote] Yep, my dream would be to come over and ride a big Ducati through the Trentino district.. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by mpescatori on 04/22/13 at 04:46:57 Max Towers, like many Italians, still dreams the American Dream. It's not his fault, but ever since 1944 Italians have seen Americans as people from... another planet, literally. We even had a famous comedian play a similar part. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un_americano_a_Roma http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_KfUVSvwU_Q/UT2WUT0wnHI/AAAAAAAAFwY/R5SO7DxV_Ww/s1600/1.jpg MaxTowers would never obtain status as a refugee... what do you think, Italy is in the middle of a civil war? Or that we jail political opponents? We grant more civil rights than most European Countries, that's why most Albanians, Rumanians and Gypsies come to live the Dilce Vita in Italy, rather than France (who shooed them away) or Germany or England. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371896/Italy-attacks-scandalous-refusal-European-nations-Lampedusas-migrants.html http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/04/18/italy.france.tunisia.migrants/index.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/26/eu-borders-arab-protests |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WD on 04/22/13 at 07:13:53 He'd have to claim some form of religious persecution... Does Venice still smell as bad as Alexandria Egypt? That could be considered torture... ;) Haven't been to either since the early 90s, can still feel the sinuses burning if I dwell on it... |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Trippah on 04/22/13 at 07:23:03 Doesn't matter where you come from or where you are now, someone is unhappy and thinks they are getting shafted. Some are doing great and don't see what the fuss is about. and unfortunately some think their "God" has given the ok to kill people who don't agree with them. Max - when my oldest daughter went to Italy on a school trip, she felt at home for the first time..everyone looked a lot like her. So maybe visiting isn't so bad, I'm told your part of Italy is wonderful..and as a native of Greater Boston, thanks for your condolonces. Another daughter of mine lived briefly on the street that connects the shoot out and the final capture in Watertown, MA. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Retread on 04/22/13 at 07:43:44 The worse atrocities ever comitted were done in the name of flag and religion... Put crazy in between Falg and Religion, you have a caustic mix... |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by bill67 on 04/22/13 at 14:45:29 I believe the guy should be tortured,He tortured a lot of people. Maybe that would stop people from doing that. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/22/13 at 20:39:51 Yea parade the fool through the streets, let people beat him with sticks and like someone said the prison system would get even with him. Toss him in somewhere really cold, wet and crappy ... like sing sing or rikers ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/22/13 at 22:06:40 Nothing is going to stop the mentally ill or terrorist. Most of the time they take their own lives. We cant act like a 3rd world country, we must set an example for the rest of the world. Give em a fair trial and a real high dose of sleep medicine. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/23/13 at 05:29:16 0A2E23292E202F33352E232235470 wrote:
Mentally ill - they can be stopped by gun control - or bullet tax. They dont care about dying. They keep the last bullet for themselves. You drop them into a crowd and tell them everyone is armed. They would still shoot away ... get return fire and relish in that return fire killing other people. Sorta when they get to the judge in the sky they go - like I shot 30 people, and those that tried to kill me missed and shot 10 others. If we cant identify these in a pre gun purchase screening ... we are doomed. However a bullet tax will drain them so fast ... Terrorists - like these 2 in boston - they dont care to kill using guns unless cornered. They prefer to start their mayhem/statement with a bomb. They get to walk away and admire their handiwork. This group has no real need to have a gun ... they are bomb people. Unless they are gun terrorists ... and not in the previous category. I however believe bomb people will never be gun people. Go back to where you want - Unabomber ? Eric Rudolph ? anyone. Bomb people are not gun people. These 2 and Eric Rudolph had plenty of guns. They use them only when cornered by cops. Criminals of course are the ones that are easiest stopped with a gun. These guys dont want to use theirs, they have em for protection. They also are the hardest to stop via gun control. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/23/13 at 15:11:30 they dont care to kill using guns unless cornered. Tell that to the MIT cop shot in the head while sitting in his car. Bomb people Harris and Klebold of Columbine fame, set bombs up and waited outside with guns to shoot the ones who ran out after the bombs went off. When the bombs didn’t work, they went inside and started shooting. they can be stopped by gun control - or bullet tax. They dont care about dying They saved money from their part time bombs, sold stolen goods etc.. to raise funds for their attack. They broke gun laws (gasp!) to get their weapons. Nothing was going to stop them, nothing. Not your stupid little bullet tax, not another gun law, not a amateur psychologist like you who has no idea what he’s saying. If we cant identify these in a pre gun purchase screening ... we are doomed. Both Harris and Klebold had been arrested for theft and while Klebold blew off the diversion program they were put into, Harris completely fooled everyone he came in contact with. Not long before the day of the shooting, the officer wrote Harris was a bright young man and would likely succeed in life. Psychopaths are rare and you can’t identify them easily, certainly not in a government designed screening process which will be watered down to prevent offending any group other than Christians, white southern men, or anyone who’s name has Muhammad in it….. You should probably just shut up now. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/23/13 at 15:18:21 Webster - you are reading my whole post backwards ... This is the right way - the way I intended it. Bomb people have bombs as their primary. For them guns are secondary. You give them a gun, they say OK, I'll still make my bomb. You dont give them a gun ... they say - OK I'll still make my bomb. The point I am making is: They are not bombing people because guns are not available. They are making bombs in spite of guns being available. So the question of ... "If we do gun control they will make bombs" does not arise. They make bombs no matter what. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/23/13 at 18:59:16 no, you're just talking nonsense like you always do. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/23/13 at 19:04:47 102225343322350A26352C470 wrote:
I know webby this is your natural defense mechanism. But these guys had guns. Plenty of em. They used bombs. The columbine guys also preferred to use bombs and guns when they did not work. Anyway you're making a good case for the $100 bullet you know that right ... You cant screen for mental illness. You have to make guns in accessible to the mentally ill. That leaves the only option as the $100 bullet. Cos we know the cheap bullets and easy guns result in gun nuts getting guns and shooting. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/23/13 at 19:07:37 383922252A3F234B0 wrote:
The things that are Nothing more than opinion that you so strongly believe in that you argue them as fact are just amazing to me. YOU believe this,, YOU,, & based in what science? Show me the study that was done to make such a determination. Now, I know not everything requires a study in order to have a clue, but to press this idea as "Just an obvious fact" when its just NOT,, & before you guys hang these young men up & paint them Guilty, remember the Olympic bomber? Remember the guy who supposedly sent the anthrax? Hatfill? Just because someone has been "proven" guilty in the press doesnt mean they are. Im expecting pictures & video evidence to raise some very serious questions, IOW, Im not at all convinced these guys did it,, Why such short memories? Remember the Arrest? The news was out, there had been an arrest, gonna have a news conference At the Courthouse ( You know, where the jail is, where arrested people are held),, then, someone posted some pictures that the FBI said "Dont look at those pictures, theyre misleading",, " Suddenly,, What? Ohhh, Uhh, NO,, we actually Havent made an arrest,, coff, coff,, Then, they blocked access to the Courthouse, a van rolls in, then rolls out,, Who did they haul out? Most likely some redneck moron with about a 75 IQ & no friends or family who would miss him,, Be thankful they didnt get to hang it on some bumpkin,, |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/23/13 at 19:31:49 JOG - I dont have to have scientific research, this info is out and verified and accurate ... these 2 had guns a plenty. They could have shot 10X as many as the 3 killed by the bomb. They knew that. The rest of your post - yes we wait for that, there is more to this story, plenty more I am sure. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/23/13 at 19:56:04 This country has changed, cops have changed. Now all the cops are concerned with is making a quick arrest and satisfying the public and news media. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/23/13 at 20:59:46 51757872757B74686E7578796E1C0 wrote:
And ONWARD, to The Next American Disaster! Anyone else remember how things were in the 60's? It wasnt just one huge disaster after another, was it? I remember plane crashes & hijackings once in a while,, but Gee frikken WHIZ,, REally? Shooting after shooting. plant explosion, Hugh Jass Storms,, dang,, seems like a constant onslaught.. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/24/13 at 05:34:41 & before you guys hang these young men up & paint them Guilty, remember the Olympic bomber? Remember the guy who supposedly sent the anthrax? Hatfill? Just because someone has been "proven" guilty in the press doesnt mean they are. Im expecting pictures & video evidence to raise some very serious questions, IOW, Im not at all convinced these guys did it,, Why such short memories? I agree with you to a point and you only have to look at the guy arrested and released in the Ricin case as evidence, but the younger brother already admitted guilt. I doubt they'll be a trial unless the death penalty is pushed. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/24/13 at 05:40:08 That leaves the only option as the $100 bullet. No and you want to know the only reason that matters? Because if I want to buy bullets and blow the hell out of every beer can lying in the woods or shoot (and miss) at clay pigeons , I should be able to. I realize every semi-commie liberal like you is trying to micro-manage my life, but screw you and your $100 bullet tax and screw your internet tax and screw your stupid 39% Romney tax arguments and the rest of the Bloomberg style nanny government and your soda bans. This is getting outta hand..... leave me the f alone and I'll live my own life thank you. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/24/13 at 07:11:33 754740515647506F435049220 wrote:
Yup the famous I dont want to change argument ... BTW RMoney paid not 39% ... 13% ... yea isn't that cool. 13% for RMoney. 17.4% for Warren Buffet, 20.5% for Obama and 23% for me. Its the old "Leave me the F alone ... and I aint paying no taxes either, cos you're just wasting it" Ideology. If we went to the no govt model, as in leave everyone the F alone ... the rich will be the first ones to start screaming their head off ... there will be no cops to prevent the people from stringing them up ... If we went to the Govt funded out of printed $ and not borrowed $$$ like India used to - the rich will be the first to start screaming their heads off again ... they have $$$ and lots of it, and inflation will hurt them far more. The only model the rich want is lower tax for them, and higher tax for the rest of us. It will be sold to the rest of us as "smaller govt" and "smarter govt" - what a crock ... no such thing as smarter govt. Oh yea, bigger govt is smarter govt. Waste is just the word Republicommunists use to refer to payments made to retirees, SS, medicare etc etc. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/24/13 at 07:49:04 Its the old "Leave me the F alone ... and I aint paying no taxes either, cos you're just wasting it" Ideology. No it isn’t moron. They take enough of people’s money. Stop. BTW RMoney paid not 39% ... 13% ... yea isn't that cool. 13% for RMoney. 17.4% for Warren Buffet, 20.5% for Obama and 23% for me. And I know this is beyond your capability to understand but guys like Romney and Buffet don’t draw salaries. They get their money from return on investments made with income already taxed at 33 or 39%. Here’s how short sighted, vindictive and jealous guys like you are. You would rather satisfy some warped sense of fairness and steal yet more money from people than you already do now and kill investments rather than man up and deal with your own problems. Like I say; if you think these guys don’t pay enough, hang out at a Morton’s steakhouse and hit up the first guy that walks out the door in a suit for $50. Have the balls to get handouts yourself, stop asking Uncle Sam to be your enforcer. I’m in Omaha today so many I’ll run into Buffet; he lives here. If I do, I’ll give him a link to SuzukiSavage and you can ask him yourself. now i'm done with you for the day. I have enough morons to deal with in person, I sure don't need to add you to the list. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/24/13 at 08:42:16 They take enough of people's money ... only the ones that aren't making millions ... those people who take in millions are taxed very lightly cos they are "job creators" And, No You Idiot - no they are not being double taxed. They have made investments that they are supposed to have made many years ago ... the returns from that are what they are paying capital gains tax on. They dont have double taxation, and hence they pay 13% ... bull sheite. They made "investments" long time ago and the returns are long term cap gains. RMoney lied about it and he paid cap gains on all of it. Buffet paid more taxes, cos he likely lied less - or was being truthful. They both have similar profile of "investment" with RMoney being more of a vulture by killing companies. Buffet has been very hands off and just been buying and selling. RMoney has been gutting companies ... Talk about "Legitimate rape" and "abortions" and gay rights, that's what you know. Y'know sentences that begin with "The bible says". You know nothing about this tax crap. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by bill67 on 04/24/13 at 08:59:15 544B4D4A5750615161594B470C3E0 wrote:
And ONWARD, to The Next American Disaster! Anyone else remember how things were in the 60's? It wasnt just one huge disaster after another, was it? I remember plane crashes & hijackings once in a while,, but Gee frikken WHIZ,, REally? Shooting after shooting. plant explosion, Hugh Jass Storms,, dang,, seems like a constant onslaught..[/quote] Yes I remember very well how things were in the 60's and 50's,Few people had guns and the ones that did had 22s,And it was a must more peaceful time. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Paraquat on 04/24/13 at 09:14:49 What? Are you living in a protective barrier? The 50's and 60's when everyone had a fully automatic Thompson (Tommy gun)? Or when it was still legal to buy, build, convert fully automatic weapons? You know why they grandfathered in short barreled shotguns/AOWs? Farmers were using them. There are still tons of exemptions for farmers. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by bill67 on 04/24/13 at 09:30:08 1120332030342035410 wrote:
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/24/13 at 09:41:23 Those two idiots who bombed Boston were living off of Welfare. We were giving them a free ride and they hated us enough to do the damage they done. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/24/13 at 09:53:09 I lived on the far North end of Houston, 64 to 69. Across the street was Greens Bayou. Guys brought guns to that place & set up targets down the bayou from this high point. Every coupla weeks someone would show up down there. I shot a 30-06 & a M 14. One guy had tracers & we ( buncha kids always came down when we heard guns) drug up wood to shoot into. I still remember the red smoke coming outta that wood. NO,, 22's werent what they brought. In fact, I dont remember ever seeing a 22 brought in there. The only time I saw a 22 was when one of the neighborhood kids had one. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by bill67 on 04/24/13 at 10:10:27 A lot of BS from a bunch of cowboys. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/24/13 at 12:02:53 45616C66616F607C7A616C6D7A080 wrote:
How in the world these 2 manage in 10 years to become citizens, get on welfare and become radical and bomb the place and die ... man I feel so in adequate ... in 10 years I've done nothing other than scratch a few bikes up some audio junk and basically became a citizen from being a green card ... Anyway not only do we not give a freaking citizenship to the illegals, we also need to register everyone, put a chip in them and prevent them and their anchor babies from ever getting on welfare. Did these 2 come here as refugees ? This is putting rush's statement about illegals in a whole new light ... yea criminals, and we are to believe they wont commit another crime. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Paraquat on 04/25/13 at 06:07:39 7D76737329281F0 wrote:
Speaking of cowboys... How about the famous lever action .22's that all the cowboys used. Oh, wait, they were 30-30's. Samuel Colt popularized the .22 revolver. Oh wait, that was a .45. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by bill67 on 04/25/13 at 06:23:08 Cowboys went out long before the 50' ans 60',We don't need to bring that back. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/25/13 at 07:15:15 Cowboy movies of the 40's and 50's were very different from cow boy realities of the 1800's. In cowboy reality, they took everyone's guns @ the city limits. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WD on 04/25/13 at 07:59:19 You know why they grandfathered in short barreled shotguns/AOWs? Farmers were using them. There are still tons of exemptions for farmers. 12" barrel, handgun grip break open .410 in my desk drawer. How about the famous lever action .22's that all the cowboys used. Oh, wait, they were 30-30's. .30WCF (.30/30) is very late period. Most lever actions pre-1894 were in .32-20, .38-55, .44WCF and .45/60 calibers. Did these 2 come here as refugees ? Yes. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/25/13 at 08:24:10 I didn't say those two were citizens. I don't know Marylands welfare laws. But its a well published fact they were drawing welfare. Maybe immigrants can draw in Maryland, I don't know. I'm sure we'll learn more as time goes on. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/25/13 at 13:22:16 Quote:
Are you high?? $3 million dollars is being taxed very lightly?? What about those that pay no tax or get money back in some form of credit? I probably couln't make $3 million in my life, let alone pay that much in taxes. Quote:
Name calling, huh, a sure sign you are cracking under the pressure of being unable to deliver a coherent point :o :( :o :( >:( Quote:
The money to pay the cap gains was taxed before it was paid in cap gains. Quote:
Like I said elsewhere, call and report it. That is all you have to do and I will take back everything think I said about paying $3 million in taxes. Quote:
So you are a fan of uber-rich Buffet but not very rich Romney? Do you have any integrity at all? Quote:
Hold on, let me read this again with the tinfoil hat and see if it makes a difference...nope, still stupid. Quote:
You do not need to branch out in your opinions, you can barely express the ones you have now. Quote:
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/25/13 at 15:11:10 And, No You Idiot - no they are not being double taxed. They have made investments that they are supposed to have made many years ago ... the returns from that are what they are paying capital gains tax on. sorry, but I don't speak stupid; could you re-phrase that. RMoney lied about it and he paid cap gains on all of it. Lied about what? what he paid in taxes? is that what you are trying to say? RMoney has been gutting companies ... so when president hopey gives tax payer money (not even his own) to GM and the first thing they do is cut dealers so they lower expenses, that's different from a private venture capitalist in what way? Talk about "Legitimate rape" and "abortions" and gay rights, that's what you know. pretty sure you can do a search and not find a single time I mentioned legitimate rape.... You know nothing about this tax crap. I (and no one else on here) can even begin to figure out what you are trying to say your position is. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/25/13 at 17:45:46 5C78757F787679656378757463110 wrote:
They are not in Maryland - they were in Massachussets. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/25/13 at 18:01:10 OK on the point of capital gains being double taxation - That is a possibility in some cases. Like here - you use post tax money to make payments on your house. The principal is paid with post tax $. Pre tax for interest cos that gets written off. When the house goes up in value - and here there is inflation which was why this used to be 15 years. This was the classic case for capital gains cos you have paid for it with post tax $ and the proceeds should there fore be taxed lower. Long term capital gains. Now its not 15 years any more its 3. However Investment returns are not under capital gains for this reason at all. The reason investment returns qualify for capital gains because investment spurs industry and job creation. However returns on investment is what is taxed at all - not the investment itself. And Your subsequent sale of the investment and profit if made are capital gains if held for 3 years. The returns - the dividends are straight income and should be taxed as such ... unless they are something called a qualified income. Anyone who says he's an investor which RMoney is but has no dividend taxed at the income tax rate, and has nothing but capital gains, is lying. Case in point: Warren Buffet: He has tons of investments, he sells and buys etc etc. All profits there of are capital gains. Clean 15% on it. However those investments paid him a dividend. Income tax @ the top rate. So 17.4% effective rate ... he paid 35% on some of it and 15% on the rest for 17.4. So 15% is complete bogus for an investor. RMoney is lying. Simple. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/25/13 at 18:06:13 645651404756417E524158330 wrote:
Pretty sure I cant ... cos this forum deletes threads after 3 months ... However - You were railing about abortions and how you didn't want them even in case of rape. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/26/13 at 00:26:47 Lets talk about the rich not paying taxes. Have you heard the latest. There's a huge oceanliner parked right outside our international waters off the coast of California. All the rooms were booked before the ship was completed. There's a ferry that runs to LA every morning and returns every evening. They're doing and running their business but since theoretically they don't reside in the US, thus they pay no taxes. Its amazing to me the ideas these bastards can come up with these ideas to sh!t us and our country. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/13 at 07:25:14 However - You were railing about abortions and how you didn't want them even in case of rape. which has absolutely zero to do with Akin's legitimate rape comment...... geez dude; wake the freak up. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/26/13 at 07:26:03 Lets talk about the rich not paying taxes. Have you heard the latest. There's a huge oceanliner parked right outside our international waters off the coast of California. All the rooms were booked before the ship was completed. There's a ferry that runs to LA every morning and returns every evening. They're doing and running their business but since theoretically they don't reside in the US, thus they pay no taxes. Its amazing to me the ideas these bastards can come up with these ideas to sh!t us and our country. I'm calling BS on that Midnight. Cough up the details. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Dane Allen on 04/26/13 at 07:54:58 083A3D2C2B3A2D123E2D345F0 wrote:
Assume for a moment it is true. Were it not for the oppresive businesss environment then they wouldn't need to do this and goes to show that some people still do not understand what a black market is. Success is darn near against the law because the more successful you are the more government punishes you and guys like Srinath call you a cheat and a liar and a fraud and go off on tangents about Mormans being a cult. If this wasn't just fantasy I'd say good for them!! These are the last outposts of freedom from a continually aggressive and repressive government. This is the sunset of freedom, my friends, and the forces of evil are much more determined and coordinated than we the people. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/26/13 at 08:05:43 695B5C4D4A5B4C735F4C553E0 wrote:
I didn't say anything about Akin ? ... I only suggested you should go back to one/more/all of Abortion, rape legitimate or otherwise and gays. Oddly I am with you on Abortion ... so there you're already ahead. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/26/13 at 08:10:29 65404F44604D4D444F210 wrote:
Assume for a moment it is true. Were it not for the oppresive businesss environment then they wouldn't need to do this and goes to show that some people still do not understand what a black market is. Success is darn near against the law because the more successful you are the more government punishes you and guys like Srinath call you a cheat and a liar and a fraud and go off on tangents about Mormans being a cult. If this wasn't just fantasy I'd say good for them!! These are the last outposts of freedom from a continually aggressive and repressive government. This is the sunset of freedom, my friends, and the forces of evil are much more determined and coordinated than we the people.[/quote] Oh yea I guess RMoney is more succesful than say Warren Buffet so he needs to pay 25% less taxes than Warren Buffet and 333 times less ... wow isn't that eye opening. And Yea I called Mormon's a cult ... however separately - I am blaming RMoney for funneling his charity to 1 self serving charity and writing it off in his taxes. And it is in the rules of Mormonism to donate to them ... gee isn't that really the definition of cult ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/28/13 at 09:25:29 695B5C4D4A5B4C735F4C553E0 wrote:
Plans for floating city off California coast to house entrepreneurs ... Plans-floating-city-California-coast-house-entrepre... Dec 16, 2011 – Silicon dreams: Plans revealed for floating city off coast of California to .... their ideas and ultimately the jobs that they create and the taxes that they pay. I was wrong about one thing, its not completed yet but its coming. Peter Thiel, the billionnaire founder of PayPal — and a noted libertarian, is Blueseed’s principal financial backer. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/28/13 at 10:11:18 They've been doing it for years ... bahamas and dutch and ireland ... look up what is a double dutch sandwich. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WebsterMark on 04/28/13 at 20:26:43 That's never going to happen Midnight. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/29/13 at 08:11:29 One more case of Tax code ignorance by the people who proposed this idea ... You can float anywhere ... you can move anywhere - timbuktu if you like ... you still owe US taxes on income you made over there. You earn 100 rocks in timbuktu - 25 rocks go to IRS ... he he ... RMoney doesn't know this, so no reason just a .com billionaire has to. US is the only country in the world to do so. However the US is also possibly the only country that lets you collect retirement when you're living over seas. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/30/13 at 08:05:14 497B7C6D6A7B6C537F6C751E0 wrote:
Argue with the news media and quit calling me a liar. I'm passing alone what they print. Every rich man is searching for loopholes in the taxes, legal or illegal. How many of them have overseas accounts in that little house in the Caymans like Romney does. With Mr PayPal behind it chances are it will become a reality. The money is there, the legal loopholes are being worked out. We're behind according to Sri, they're being built all over the world. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/30/13 at 08:10:00 Tsarnaev family received $100G in benefits Monday, April 29, 2013 PrintEmail Comments (192) By: Chris Cassidy The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance — a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned. “The breadth of the benefits the family was receiving was stunning,” said a person with knowledge of documents handed over to a legislative committee today. The state has handed over more than 500 documents to the 11-member House Post Audit and Oversight Committee, which today met for the first time and plans to call in officials from the Department of Transitional Assistance to testify. “I can assure members of the public that this committee will actively review every single piece of information we can find because clearly the public has a substantial right to know what benefits, if any, this family or individuals accused of some horrific crimes were receiving,” said state Rep. David Linsky (D-Natick), the committee’s chairman. Linsky’s committee has requested documents from the DTA, the state’s Medicaid director and Health and Human Services Secretary John Polanowicz. But so far the committee has not released the records publicly, citing a privilege the DTA is asserting under state law. Transitional assistance officials also told the Herald tonight that the agency was conducting its own investigation into whether Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s family ever notified the DTA about his extended trip to Russia, and has since expanded its probe to include a full history of the benefits received by the entire Tsarnaev family. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by WD on 04/30/13 at 08:26:46 2223383F302539510 wrote:
You do have to return stateside every so often for a specified time period, within a specified time frame, in order to keep Social Security. One of Lisa's cousins and his wife retired to Mauritania (in north Africa somewhere). They have to return once a year for a month or so to keep their benefits. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by Midnightrider on 04/30/13 at 08:37:23 They might be American citizens but their company will be based offshore and not considered an American Co. so they wont have to pay American income taxes. They're working for a offshore foreign company. You only pay American taxes if a foreign company (like the foreign car companys) have factory's here. Their employees living on the mainland will undoubtably pay taxes.The kind of money these CEO's will be making will make them laugh at a $1500 a month SS check. If you don't reside in any country you don't have to pay income tax. Ingenious idea, they'll come up with anything to get a free ride and turn around and acuse the poor of it. |
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Title: Re: Boston Marathon bombings Post by srinath on 04/30/13 at 09:48:49 587C717B7C727D61677C717067150 wrote:
How did they manage to do this ... didn't they just arrive 10 years ago. How did they get on welfare right away. This is so depressing. If I were to drop dead tomorow, my wife and son will be destitute in a matter of days. This is really really depressing. I am all for a safety net ... but the fools that suddenly show up dont deserve to be put into a net ... they need to be put into a ship and send back. 4251150 wrote:
I think its dependent on the country they have gone to - and if they were US citizens when they moved away. India used to be one of those countries you could not receive US SS benefits till a few years ago. It may have something to do with that tax thing. One of the founders of face book I think moved to singapore to avoid paying any taxes when they went public couple years ago. I suspect there is an agreement that lets US use the foreign country's tax system to collect taxes and the flip side is that you can collect SS benefits from there. 7D59545E595758444259545542300 wrote:
Companies already pay almost no tax - look up "double dutch sandwich" on google. In fact google paid under 3%. Personal income tax is what they are hoping to avoid via floating city. Which right now is somewhere between RMoney's 13% and maybe Warren Buffet's 17.4% on personal income. Cool. Srinath. |
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