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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazines? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1366301490 Message started by Paraquat on 04/18/13 at 09:11:30 |
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Title: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazines? Post by Paraquat on 04/18/13 at 09:11:30 According to New York state Senator Greg Ball (R), the Department of Homeland Security is seeking 7,000 self-defense weapons--all of which are AR-15 variants. These are the very weapons Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Chuck Schumer (D-NY), and Joe Manchin (D-WV), have been telling us nobody needs for self-defense. Apparently, DHS disagrees. As I wrote on January 14th, a "Personal Defense Weapons Solicitation" was circulated within DHS describing an AR-15 variant as "suitable for personal defense." Now, 7,000 such weapons are being sought. DHS is also seeking 30 round magazines for use with all the rifles. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/28/DHS-Seeks-7-000-AR-15s-With-30-Round-Magazines --Steve |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 09:15:22 Wow ... breitbart.com ... why were you all out of Bartsimpson.com ? Not that it cant be true ... but that is hardcore right wing propaganda. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 09:22:34 64657E7976637F170 wrote:
Since you only accept truth in certain formats and from marxist-approved sources maybe this link from the OP link will allow you to accept the truth. http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/department-homeland-security-latest-highlight-flawed-logic-cuomo-gun-grab Notice the .gov domain, I believe this is accepted as divinity in your religion.... |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/18/13 at 09:41:23 Why is the source a problem? If the information is true, who cares Where it came from? How about this idea? The media drops info thru different channels, KNOWING it wont be accepted by one "side" or the other, simply because of where it was released? Why is it that certain facts SImply Will NOT be brought out thru ceretain "News Sources"? Divide & conquer. The media is owned & operated by the same people who own the goobs. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Midnightrider on 04/18/13 at 10:02:15 Sri its very true along with 1.6 Billion hollow point bullets which are illegal to use in war. The government admits to it, its all over the web. They claimed its for training purposes. 1.6 billion bullets would last 20 years in the Iraq War. They've ordered a number of tanks and armored vehicles. They've admitted they're going to arm the Social Security offices. What does that tell you? The Dept Of Homeland Security is nothing but an American Gestapo. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 10:55:42 193D303A3D333C20263D303126540 wrote:
Well, I decided to call my friend ... My friend the gun nut (the good gun nut) pretty much says they have choked off a lot of it out of the market. I would guess it is to prevent a run on those items while legislation is being considered. When the laws are in place, and the new gun ownership landscape is stable it should come to the market. Till then you cant even make em. That's his assessment. They seem to have choked off brass, bullets, primer, smokeless powder, gun powder everything. He also says though there are co2 cartridge guns and there has been a run on those - these are non gun nuts buying them for protection I'd think. In a way I dont think you need a gun for protection, and if you do, 5-6 shot capacity Co2 works just well enough. I guess the govt has choked it off. Lets see if we see a bunch of mass shootings with home made ammo now. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 11:00:57 637C7A7D60675666566E7C703B090 wrote:
JOG - "News outlets" have a journalistic integrity or a journalistic obligation. They have editorial slant, but the news they report has to be accurate. They then analyze it their way. Breitbart.com is you or me ... you can post anything to your blog. Not required to be accurate or even true. Of course breitbart has posted truth ... and analyzed it his way, we know that, but quoting breitbart for straight up news makes you wonder ... what they cant find anything more unreliable ? Like snopes ... Anyway it is the news, but I just thought for that there is better source than breitbart. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Paraquat on 04/18/13 at 11:11:14 3D3C27202F3A264E0 wrote:
Oh, please. New outlets are bought and paid for. They are told what to run and what not to run. It started in the 80's with GE. You know why Bradley Manning went to Wikileaks? No news outlet was interested in his story. He violated a heavy federal law to bring people the truth... and no one wanted to listen. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 11:15:47 0435263525213520540 wrote:
Oh, please. New outlets are bought and paid for. They are told what to run and what not to run. It started in the 80's with GE. You know why Bradley Manning went to Wikileaks? No news outlet was interested in his story. He violated a heavy federal law to bring people the truth... and no one wanted to listen. --Steve[/quote] He he ... in theory they are supposed to say what is correct, then twist it the way they like. Breitbart doesn't even have that in theory. Its some guys blog. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Paraquat on 04/18/13 at 16:02:40 Really? That's all you've got for a retort? If you don't care for my source then take your pick: http://www.activistpost.com/2013/01/why-are-ar-15s-personal-defense-weapons.html http://www.infowars.com/dhs-buys-7000-full-auto-assault-rifles-calls-them-personal-defense-weapons/ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/26/if-assault-weapons-are-bad-why-does-the-dhs-want-to-buy-7000-of-them-for-personal-defense/ http://www.easybakegunclub.com/news/2825/DHS-wants-to-purchase-7,000-AR-15s-plus-30-round-m.html http://www.examiner.com/article/homeland-security-seeking-to-purchase-7-000-assault-rifles Do what I did. Type it into Google and pick whatever source you choose. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by houstonbofh on 04/18/13 at 20:34:26 57564D4A45504C240 wrote:
It was some guys blog. He died. It is now an organization. Of course ignore the fact that he was a conservative American publisher, commentator for The Washington Times, author, and occasional guest commentator on various news programs, who served as an editor for the Drudge Report website. He was a researcher for Arianna Huffington, and helped launch her web publication The Huffington Post. Oh, and that it wasn't a blog, but a news aggregation site. Or that he played key roles in the Anthony Weiner sexting scandal, the resignation of Shirley Sherrod, and the ACORN 2009 undercover videos controversy. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/18/13 at 21:04:14 Excellent, I will there fore be quoting mother jones then. After all they predicted the 47% so accurately ... they said 47% are freeloaders who will vote for RMoney no matter what didn't they ... yea ... I'll quote them as fact. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Paraquat on 04/19/13 at 09:32:07 You know what? I've tried to keep neutral and not degrade myself to the petty name calling that seems to end all these threads here but I can hold my tongue no longer. You are the problem with the world today. You, and people like you... so close minded and short sighted. Republicans who agree with the same ideals as Democrats but won't even listen to what they're saying just because there is a D after their name. Democrats might agree with Republicans too. Hell, they might have the same exact idea but if it is proposed by a Republican they are instantly against it just because this duopoly is an us vs them situation. I propose an article and you dismiss the entire thing just based on the source. At the risk of sounding like a Communist we are all one collective here and we need to start focusing on the greater good rather than this trivial us vs them two party nonsense. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by 45acp on 04/19/13 at 09:43:28 5-6 shot capacity co2 for self defense. try to stop a crack head with that. hell sometimes it takes 2 shots just to kill a cat with one. let alone a drugged up obama supporter bent on destuction. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/19/13 at 16:31:11 7C73656573667F73647573160 wrote:
Stopping a Crackhead - 1-2 shots to the head will stop someone crack or not, republicommunist or not. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by 45acp on 04/22/13 at 19:49:11 not with a co2 gun. all that will do is piss them off more. your crazy. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/22/13 at 20:00:29 I have not fired the co2 rifle myself, but I know of someone who's been hunting deer with it. Point blank range it should kill anyone. I have to ask the guy (and I talk to his friend most often) ... but a few years he has been hunting with them, 2200 psi 5-6 shots he said. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/22/13 at 20:14:02 Oh here is another idea, and in India they still used these - as of 04 when I last went to India. A Bayonet - with a big knife. Easy way to stop a crackhead. In India cops used those more than actually using them as a rifle. My dad one time bluffed saying they can fire that knife too, and being I dunno like 10 I believed it ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Paraquat on 04/23/13 at 06:12:12 A bayonet makes your average rifle into an "assault weapon". Spetsnaz had knife guns. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/23/13 at 06:58:26 Yea well I guess to stop a crackhead you just stick a big knife into his jugular. Right a Bayonet other than qualifying to be an assault weapon also is liable to grievously injure the user ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by WD on 04/23/13 at 08:10:43 Best ways to stop a crack head? On your own land a couple rounds of 00 buck or a rifled slug. If you want to be a bit less sporting about it use a regular hunting rifle and load. In your own home? Large bore handgun rounds, I keep a loaded .44 Special (246gr fmj) in one desk drawer, a loaded .45 above my easy chair, and a loaded .380 in my back pocket. There is a loaded pump shotgun next to the fireplace, a loaded semi-auto shotgun in the bedroom... and a loaded 30 round SKS (takes AK banana mags) with alternating armor piercing and hollow point rounds in my game keeper's quarters... We don't like trespassers around here... We actually keep so many loaded guns around for crop and livestock predation problems. That 30 round SKS makes short work of coyotes and feral pigs. An 8 round revolver with .22 short (frangible rounds) takes care of rodents. The ability to take out 2 legged vermin is just a side bonus. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by 45acp on 04/23/13 at 10:05:37 , 5253484F405549210 wrote:
5-6 shots to kill a deer? if it takes that many to kill the deer it wouldnt be leagal for deer hunting. i run a shooting range and NO ONE comes here to sight in there new co2 "hunting rifle" that just sounds stupid. and i dont believe it would stop a crack head either. unless you shot him directly in the brain. wich you couldnt, because you dont see the need to practice with a self defense weapon. at least thats what you said on another post. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/23/13 at 10:17:34 No I didn't say 5-6 to kill the deer. He gets 5-6 shots before it start to lose muzzle velocity. I'll easily shoot a crackhead in the brain at point blank range ... I have not practiced in years. If you cant you're blind you need glasses not guns. Cool. Srinath. 7E71676771647D71667771140 wrote:
5-6 shots to kill a deer? if it takes that many to kill the deer it wouldnt be leagal for deer hunting. i run a shooting range and NO ONE comes here to sight in there new co2 "hunting rifle" that just sounds stupid. and i dont believe it would stop a crack head either. unless you shot him directly in the brain. wich you couldnt, because you dont see the need to practice with a self defense weapon. at least thats what you said on another post. [/quote] |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by WD on 04/23/13 at 10:23:55 Point blank range isn't very sporting of you... ;D |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Dane Allen on 04/23/13 at 11:48:45 180B4F0 wrote:
Yeah, but what about all the effort to sneak up behind the crackhead? Doesn't that count? ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by 45acp on 04/23/13 at 16:08:04 you obviously know nothing about guns or self defense. any noteworthy self defense instructor teaches you to aim for center mass not the head. when your life is on the line you have enough trouble just hitting someone. let alone playing super sniper. i dont care what distance your at. also i dont need glases. i can clearly see you dont have a clue. ::) |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/23/13 at 18:10:14 3837212137223B37203137520 wrote:
What ... when he's close enough, shoot him in the eye. Muzzle velocity 8-900 ft will pretty much kill anyone and a co2 will deliver that. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by 45acp on 04/23/13 at 19:18:21 ok im done. this is the stupidest conversation i think i have ever had with anyone. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/23/13 at 19:27:08 6A65737365706965726365000 wrote:
I guess you always feel that way after losing huh. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Midnightrider on 04/23/13 at 20:26:29 Sri is right on this one. I have a competition pellet rifle that cost more than my deer rifle. I live in the city and I like to shoot around the house and the gun is legal in the city limits.. Its built more for accuracy and I would not take it deer hunting but I've heard of people doing that. They have CO 2 guns now that you pump up with air from a divers tank, up to around 2000psi. They go all the way up to 50 caliber. They are very lethal weapons. Anyone that doesn't believe me they're all over you tube. There's video's of people hog hunting with them in Texas. Other video's of target shooting and operation also. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t-7lEPKeWY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uesuW4BnJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2SqGcdUJR8 Here's a guy hog hunting with an air rifle similar to mine. I wouldn't do it because I believe in clean one shot kills and I don't want the animals to suffer, but it is possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugyO7dcF1n8 As far as so called assault weapons go I've never really had a desire to own one. I own several guns for hunting and home protection. The minute the government said I shouldn't have one I started looking and now I own two. If The government says you don't need or have the right to own an item you're gonna need it real soon! |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/23/13 at 20:53:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pqFyKh-rUI Lewis & Clark carried one of these.. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Midnightrider on 04/23/13 at 22:34:27 That is cool!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Pine on 04/24/13 at 08:44:38 wow a co2 gun for self defense.. have fun with that. a co2 gun is NOT "generally" lethal. Ok yes a shot to the eye socket maybe. But YOU will not make that shot. I participate in shooting sports... and I would probably miss under duress a single shot to the eye at 10 feet with a pistol. other than shotguns, I generally dismiss a rifle of any kind for home defense. You simply cant wield it in most homes.. just too long. Your not getting 900 FPS with a co2 pistol. Barrel is too short. Plus damage is a function of speed and mass, the .177 just does not have the mass to cause much damage. Deer hunting with a pellet rifle is against the law in this state, same with a .22. You just wound the animal, not kill it. By the way.. I could not find a single 900 FPS co2 powered rifle. Tops was 760. However I did find this: http://www.airgunwarehouseinc.com/py-343-742.html has to be charged with a SCUBA tank! thats a friggin far cry from "co2"... you get 10 shots... then you have to recharge. So much for self defense. sri.. you hate guns.. I get that but... this is waaaaayy out there |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/24/13 at 08:59:58 645D5A51405B46340 wrote:
Yea ... why are you killing a crackhead who is 10 feet away ? Why not shoot him @ 100 ft with a sniper rifle ? The whole self defense argument and needing to practice etc etc is not valid, cos self defense is at very close range. I've been over this so many times. I am not against guns, I am just against stupid arguments cos you dont want to change and no solutions to the problem of random spraying of bullets. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by WD on 04/24/13 at 22:13:57 I hadn't shot for several months, took one of the pop guns out Tuesday, 7 of 9 into a paper plate at 10 yards. Considering the pistol is a jam-o-matic from 1936 (CZ24 in 9mm short, that means .380), it is fair accuracy, maybe. Monday I shot at the same paper plate with my (heavily massaged Ruger Old Army) .45 cap and ball revolver, at 100 yards, shooting downhill. Could cover the shots with the paper plate, but they were all 3" low. If you think you don't need practice, think again. Last summer I could put every round in the target with those same guns, at the same distance. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/25/13 at 07:11:40 I think I can still hit a crackhead in the eye socket with an air gun if I was holding it to his eye ... I am pretty sure. @ a 100 ft away ... sorry I dont think I am qualified to be a crackhead assasin. And how is killing someone @ 100 ft self defense ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Midnightrider on 04/25/13 at 08:26:27 If they're shooting at you 100' away. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/25/13 at 09:52:44 5F7B767C7B757A66607B767760120 wrote:
LOL Coff Coff |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Dane Allen on 04/25/13 at 13:11:03 24253E3936233F570 wrote:
I guess you always feel that way after losing huh. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] ;D ;D ;D Can always count on Srinath to throw in a joke!! |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 04/25/13 at 17:40:48 0B141215080F3E0E3E06141853610 wrote:
LOL Coff Coff [/quote] Very good, now you see how a $100 bullet tax would be so cool to have ... crackhead dont have no bullets now ... Anyway, you want to return fire ... and 100 ft air gun is still available. I however would like to know why a crackhead is shooting @ you from 100' ... are you trying to steal his stash ? 100 yards - 300 ft accurate - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emz_-bbTpb4 Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Midnightrider on 05/01/13 at 15:37:22 We need well trained vice cops and FBI to infiltrate these gangs, take names and let the National Guard take them out. The ones that survive I would post bill boards all over town of them with their bright orange suits on and tombstones of the dead ones advertising we have openings for new members. We cant predict who the next mass shooter or bomber will be but we can stop these gangs from gunning down people and controlling the streets. Attack them like the motorcycle gangs were attacked, you don't hear a lot out of them anymore. Street gangs are organized domestic terrorist and should be treated as such. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by bill67 on 05/01/13 at 19:18:45 I think everyone should have their own personal bodyguards.And we have plenty of money to do it. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by srinath on 05/01/13 at 19:22:35 06222F25222C233F39222F2E394B0 wrote:
See motorcycle gangs were obvious ... well they rode motorcycles. These fools are rats ... they will hide till its absolutely safe for them to drive by in their black tinted car and spray bullets. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by WD on 05/01/13 at 21:32:45 They don't still have DWB where you live? It works pretty well... ::) |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Midnightrider on 05/02/13 at 00:16:43 See motorcycle gangs were obvious ... well they rode motorcycles. These fools are rats ... they will hide till its absolutely safe for them to drive by in their black tinted car and spray bullets. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] That's why I said go undercover and infiltrate them. A good drug dealer on our side would be a great start. It wouldn't take long to find out who they are and where they hide. Create another gang and start taking over their territory and see what happens. I think the government wants to stay out of it because 99% of them are minorities. Our cities are becoming criminal havens. Us good ol country boys just shoot the low life SOB's. That's why we need our guns. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/13 at 11:36:21 Its not a Bill of Needs, its a Bill of Rights. How does anyone determine "needs" for another? Usually very selfishly. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Midnightrider on 05/05/13 at 12:06:50 Well said Justin. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by bill67 on 05/05/13 at 12:48:49 554A4C4B5651605060584A460D3F0 wrote:
JOG your all mixed up its what Bill says is Right. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Dane Allen on 05/06/13 at 10:43:22 594640475A5D6C5C6C54464A01330 wrote:
Exactly!!! Why does anyone need newspapers with the capabilities of the internet? Why does anyone need to be Catholic? Why does anyone need to be mirandized?Why does anyone need to be presented with a warrant to have their house searched? Why does anyone need a jury trial? |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by bill67 on 05/06/13 at 16:33:22 For you guys that want a AR15 The Army wants you Free guns, ammo and targets in Afghanistan. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Dane Allen on 05/06/13 at 17:24:51 2B2025257F7E490 wrote:
Army doesn't use the AR-15, no military branch does. |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by Paraquat on 05/07/13 at 06:13:34 1F3A353E1A37373E355B0 wrote:
Army doesn't use the AR-15, no military branch does.[/quote] I am tired of arguing the technicalities but I'm glad someone else caught it. Yes, the appropriate designation for the civilian issued version of the rifle is the AR15 (semi automatic). M16 is the military's fully automatic. M4 is the military's latest toy, 14.5" barrel and a collapsible stock. Another article I read said "fully automatic AR15's". It's a shame how little people know about the world around them. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Why does anyone need an AR15 or 30 rnd magazin Post by WD on 05/07/13 at 07:31:44 Even the fully automatic M16 has pretty much gone away. When I was on active duty, the USMC Force Recon Gunnery Sgts could not believe that Seabees were issues M16A2E3 rifles, full auto. No 3 round burst like the standard issue Army/USMC version. We had a 3 position switch, safe-single-auto... I personally have no love for plastic guns, the traditional hardwood stock is more appealing. Be it on an SK/AK platform or a western forces rifle such as the M1 or M14. The SKS paratrooper model we have here has a folding plastic stock, it's ugly as sin, but I have not been able to track a wooden SKS stock that takes the AK magazine like the para model uses. |
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