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Title: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by WD on 04/20/13 at 16:29:23 National Stoner Day? -OR- Adolf Hitler's Birthday... Alles Gute zum Geburtstag mein Führer 4/20/1889 - 4/30/1945 Inquiring minds want to know.... ;) |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by Paladin. on 04/20/13 at 20:38:42 National Stoner Day! |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 04/21/13 at 10:36:36 I dont mind stoner day ... just that stoner means someone who's always stoned ... not one who does it for fun - How about MotoGP austin day - http://circuitoftheamericas.com/moto-gp Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by WD on 04/21/13 at 10:58:10 MotoGP? You actually watch that? I don't even thumb through Cycle World anymore with all its sport bike and dirt bike content. Now if there had a been a nice vintage bike race on the tube yesterday... would have gone well with the Bavarian style brats, kraut, potatoes and hot bread... washed down with ice cold beer... 4/20 when I lived in the Seattle area was always a major league party. KISW radio used to have a gathering at Jimi Hendrix's grave... 8-) |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by houstonbofh on 04/21/13 at 14:24:18 On April 20th, I went to the Texas Association of First Responders cook-off. It was a lot of tasty food! So, how about Firefighter Appreciation day? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kEdr4FmbwU |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 04/21/13 at 16:15:04 Yes I can dig that, though I sat @ home and scratched the MZ carbs, the B&K power amp boards and modding CD players and fixing assorted electronica ... Oh yea, and a "shoot the terrorist bastige day ... " Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by rfw2003 on 04/21/13 at 16:18:13 How about none of the above, I support neither of them. This of course is speaking to the OP of the thread, and another un-named self inhabited person of this area of the forum that thinks he's the king and solve it all of the worlds problems. ;D R.F. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 04/21/13 at 16:29:51 45514005070704370 wrote:
You do know that its your bias that makes you keep saying these things in every thread dont you ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by arteacher on 04/21/13 at 17:58:13 595843444B5E422A0 wrote:
B&K made a nice amp. I used to have one (the deluxe st 100 with better components in it), but it wouldn't drive my Maggies very well. (4 ohms, 86 db efficiency). I traded it in on a Classe CA 300 (600 watts into 4 ohms), and got a lot of value for the B&K on the trade. At 105 db the Classe runs slightly warm. ;) |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 04/21/13 at 18:12:06 454E4E474B44455F5E2A0 wrote:
B&K made a nice amp. I used to have one (the deluxe st 100 with better components in it), but it wouldn't drive my Maggies very well. (4 ohms, 86 db efficiency). I traded it in on a Classe CA 300 (600 watts into 4 ohms), and got a lot of value for the B&K on the trade. At 105 db the Classe runs slightly warm. ;)[/quote] B&K and maggies ... what's with B&K and maggies ... that's exactly how this poor beast met its maker. He drove maggies playing jazz. Apparently it was not loud enough, so he cranked it, and poof went the amp. Anyway this is a B& avr 507. I dunno about yours but this is frucked up by design. Turning it off with remote ... yes that's like hitting mute, it leaves the amp powered on, only shuts off input. What ... yea ... that's powering it off for them. Stupid. I have atleast 1 pair of fried smoothing caps (yes coke can sized screw top caps costing 70-80 bones a piece ...) plus atleast 2 output transistors. Classe stuff is good, but no matter what equipment you got, I'd put em on a monster 5100 or similar power conditioner, and turn that sucker off atleast nightly. I dont believe in amps that go to standby when you turn it off any more. I think its a design flaw when the amp stays powered up, when you say off. They power on in 3 stages so your lights dont dim when you switch on ... but when you say off ... it means OFF. BTW My carver 7 monoblocks when you turn them on, not only do the lights dim, they actually killed the 15 amp breaker in that room ... had lots of trouble with that one in the past, its maybe tripped off 10 times in 10 years, and the rest of my house not even 1-2. Anyway those guys worked like a circuit fault finder. I had to run to the store get a new breaker and swap it. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by WD on 04/22/13 at 00:43:37 40544500020201320 wrote:
Guess you won't be showing up for the September gathering... |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by rfw2003 on 04/22/13 at 05:12:17 5043070 wrote:
Guess you won't be showing up for the September gathering... [/quote] I wasn't referring to you specifically WD just your 2 specified cerebrations. As for showing up in Sept. Most likely not, although I wish I could. It's during the school year and I'm a single father so it's kinda impossible for me to make it. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by WD on 04/22/13 at 07:03:13 I was just messing with you anyway. Pot and I are a money wasting combination, I'm immune to it. Always have been, but we're herb friendly. As to the other... remember the General Lee? I have a same shade of orange Super Beetle named "Standartenfuhrer"... car is too little to be a general, so it's an SS colonel... it's good for laughs at the right shows. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by Dane Allen on 04/22/13 at 09:26:24 40415A5D52475B330 wrote:
You do know that its your bias that makes you keep saying these things in every thread dont you ? Cool. Srinath.[/quote] You're soo vain, you probably think this post is about you, lalalala. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by arteacher on 04/24/13 at 16:13:01 6362797E716478100 wrote:
B&K made a nice amp. I used to have one (the deluxe st 100 with better components in it), but it wouldn't drive my Maggies very well. (4 ohms, 86 db efficiency). I traded it in on a Classe CA 300 (600 watts into 4 ohms), and got a lot of value for the B&K on the trade. At 105 db the Classe runs slightly warm. ;)[/quote] B&K and maggies ... what's with B&K and maggies ... that's exactly how this poor beast met its maker. He drove maggies playing jazz. Apparently it was not loud enough, so he cranked it, and poof went the amp. Anyway this is a B& avr 507. I dunno about yours but this is frucked up by design. Turning it off with remote ... yes that's like hitting mute, it leaves the amp powered on, only shuts off input. What ... yea ... that's powering it off for them. Stupid. I have atleast 1 pair of fried smoothing caps (yes coke can sized screw top caps costing 70-80 bones a piece ...) plus atleast 2 output transistors. Classe stuff is good, but no matter what equipment you got, I'd put em on a monster 5100 or similar power conditioner, and turn that sucker off atleast nightly. I dont believe in amps that go to standby when you turn it off any more. I think its a design flaw when the amp stays powered up, when you say off. They power on in 3 stages so your lights dont dim when you switch on ... but when you say off ... it means OFF. BTW My carver 7 monoblocks when you turn them on, not only do the lights dim, they actually killed the 15 amp breaker in that room ... had lots of trouble with that one in the past, its maybe tripped off 10 times in 10 years, and the rest of my house not even 1-2. Anyway those guys worked like a circuit fault finder. I had to run to the store get a new breaker and swap it. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] I put in isolated ground outlets for the audio stuff in my listening room, with a 20 amp line for the power amp. There is NO line hiss at full volume because of this, a fact that impressed my audio engineer sons. The common consensus on leaving amps on is so that there is not a big start up surge (as you are experiencing) when you start them up, and the caps stay saturated (good for them) so there is minimal warm up time. If I listen to the system after it has been completely off for a while it takes 1-2 hrs for it to warm up and sound it's best. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 04/24/13 at 16:57:25 Right arteacher, however leaving them on wears out that 1/2 of the amp. Power supply caps, rectifier, trafo, any switching in that section etc etc ... You'd kill those in 3-4000 hours of use for caps, 5-8K for rectifier bridges, about the same for transistors and maybe 100K for the mains trafo. The rest of the amp - power amp and what not, will run 10-20 years cos they are used when they are making sound ... Anyway there are big amps in some cases power on in 3-4 stages. But they power off proper when you hit off. Carver is the mad scientist of audio. He'd make a unbelievably powerful and sweet sounding amp like the 7 mono blocks - 575 watts of cap coupled power into 8 ohm with .005% distortion, and put a 20c switch for powering it on. Cheap plastic crap. Yuck. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by Face on 04/26/13 at 19:11:47 616A6A636F60617B7A0E0 wrote:
B&K made a nice amp. I used to have one (the deluxe st 100 with better components in it), but it wouldn't drive my Maggies very well. (4 ohms, 86 db efficiency). I traded it in on a Classe CA 300 (600 watts into 4 ohms), and got a lot of value for the B&K on the trade. At 105 db the Classe runs slightly warm. ;)[/quote] Ribbons, planars, and electrostatics. Never liked 'em. I know they are "supposed" to sound real/lifelike, but there's always seemed to be something un-natural about the sound. At least for me. Lots of weird transients and harmonics, and not the good kind. Classe is sweeeeet. For inefficient speakers like yours, I'll bet they're perfect! And 105db, dang, dude! I like it loud, but wow. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by arteacher on 04/28/13 at 06:52:31 262D3F23223F3F4C0 wrote:
B&K made a nice amp. I used to have one (the deluxe st 100 with better components in it), but it wouldn't drive my Maggies very well. (4 ohms, 86 db efficiency). I traded it in on a Classe CA 300 (600 watts into 4 ohms), and got a lot of value for the B&K on the trade. At 105 db the Classe runs slightly warm. ;)[/quote] Ribbons, planars, and electrostatics. Never liked 'em. I know they are "supposed" to sound real/lifelike, but there's always seemed to be something un-natural about the sound. At least for me. Lots of weird transients and harmonics, and not the good kind. Classe is sweeeeet. For inefficient speakers like yours, I'll bet they're perfect! And 105db, dang, dude! I like it loud, but wow.[/quote] That was just to show off the system. ::) I normally listen at 90-95 db. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by arteacher on 04/28/13 at 07:22:19 4C4D56515E4B573F0 wrote:
Amp has been on for about 58,000 hrs since I bought it used in 2006, and actually making music for about 7500 hours. It was made in the late '90s, so the PO must have put some hours on it too. BTW it uses 240 W of power just sitting there, and about 13 amps going full tilt boogie, thus the 20 amp dedicated outlet. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 04/28/13 at 09:27:47 Arteacher: I am not sure your amp is on when its off. Not all B&K's are ... that avr507 was. Face: Planar mag's and electrostats work as a tweeter ... they suck as a full range. I would spend 1/10th on a high end woofer and a mid, and run the ribbons as a tweeter. 5K and up ... brilliant. For daily general listening I prefer horns though ... have to be metal ... I also like AMT's, but my heil's really are mids, they dont work as a front set. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by arteacher on 04/28/13 at 12:28:09 Arteacher: I am not sure your amp is on when its off. I never turn it off. And if you get a planar speaker situated properly in a room they are full range. Mine (Maggie 1.6s) are +- 3 db 30-18000 htz in my listening room. If you think planars are not full range then you haven't heard them when they have been set up properly. Maggie 3.7 and 20 have what is considered to be one of the best tweeters in the world in them. In my 40 years as an audiophile I have heard all kinds of speakers, and all kinds of live music. Really good dynamic speakers sound like really good speakers. Decent planars sound like music. ;) |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 04/28/13 at 14:37:28 But they are 85db - and 30-18K - I have hybrids with electrostat tweets no less that are 22-25K and 93 db if I recall. Anyway in a way nothing but horns work in the front in my house ... I have heils as mids - nothing else works there as well. The only ones I play around with are the rear. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by arteacher on 04/28/13 at 15:43:39 18k is as high as my db meter is accurate, and much higher than my 63 year old ears can hear. ;D |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 04/28/13 at 15:56:03 313A3A333F30312B2A5E0 wrote:
Ha ... I like the treble, the wife likes the bass. If it dont cover like 3hz to 33.33K hz one if us gonna be unhappy ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 04/29/13 at 08:20:42 Check this out on efficiency vs % of loss - http://i41.tinypic.com/161hjco.jpg The problem though is amps have a sweet spot. You cant run em all @ 1/8th volume per say. Some of em like to be run wider open ... some work better lower ... and its not always related to amp power. Its made even worse with those that switch class with volume. Else the 105's would be universally the thing to get ... TBH, the 105 db set on an amp like my crown will just rattle the pots and pans onto the floor. It likes to be ~1/4 to 3/4 volume. And with the 335 per channel into 8 ohm it pushes ... @ 105 db and 60 or so watts will just be deafening. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by arteacher on 04/29/13 at 17:16:06 Since we have totally hijacked this thread I will outline my stereo set. Thorens TD 160 MKII turntable (heavily modded) with a Magneplanar tone arm and a Blue point Special EvoII cartridge. Thorens TD 145 converted to a TD 160 with a less expensive cart for the bad records. Project tube phono preamps. Rega Jupiter CD player. MacIntosh 65 tuner. A JVC cassett deeck that was one of the best you could buy in it's day. Bryston BP 26 Preamp. Classe CA300 amp. Magneplanar MG 1.6s with upgraded crossover components. Nordost wires. All kinds of homemade room treatments. There is NO slap echo anywhere in the room, which has, by pure luck, Golden Rule perportions. I also have an old Fischer tube amp (12W/side) which drove my old Maggies (SMGs, which I still have) acceptably well. Oh and a custom made(by me) chair that looks awful but is VERY comfortable. ;D I am seriously considering trading the 1.6s in on 3.7s. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by Face on 04/29/13 at 19:02:34 Hijacked it is! Sorry WD. :-/ 696873747B6E721A0 wrote:
Ha ... I like the treble, the wife likes the bass. If it dont cover like 3hz to 33.33K hz one if us gonna be unhappy ... Cool. Srinath.[/quote] I like it all, bass, mids, highs, but I tend to focus more on the mids. That might explain my aversion to ribbons. Ever listen to Boelinder Greabner (spelling?) coaxial ribbons? Horrible, just horrible! As super tweeters like Srinath suggested, I don't mind them as much. For example, the Dali tweeter module used on their Ikon and Helicon lines sounds pretty dang good. Too bad the cabinets have so much resonance. It sounds like a cardboard box. >:( And I'll say you like the treble! Horn loaded metal domes? Too much for me! |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 04/29/13 at 19:34:39 Art: JVC casette decks - ha - one of those massive silver jobs with round buttons that light up under the cassette door ... any time I see/hear JVC I immediately think sleeper ... even their newer HT amps are bloody good with very little awareness or fan following ... I recently picked up a pioneer elite CT 91a cassette deck, - 40 bloody lb ... and I have been using its denon competetion a few weeks. Sold a Nak LX5, yamaha K1000 after the denon came in, and now that the ct 91 is here (it needs fixing) I may turn round and sell the denon. I've had 1 thorens ... flipped it for a clean $125 profit after getting the weird 16v ac power supply for it ... I am not mch of a belt drive guy. Have 3-4 direct dr - again the favorite being a JVC QL-y5f (or some idiotic numbering like that) and a few pioneers, fishers ... and 3-4 idler wheel duals ... I like fixing those, but am not impressed with those either ... and I had a rotel rp1000 - turned a profit on it too but wasn't impressed ... I think direct drive is it for me. I want to modify one of em into a record cleaner ... and use the jvc and sell all the rest. I sold 5-6 pre amps ... have a dead c2 carver sitting here and a pityful proton that I got working for someone, only to have him no show me with the busted parasound he was gonna bring as trade ... Sold the 1 mac 754 have the other one, sold a Luxman L430, sold a bunch ... I have a few tube amps and the carvers but all the rest is not even mid fi ... low fi ... Look @ charlotte NC craigslist and look for "3878" in electronics for some of the stuff ... the mc 754 is on there now. Face: Ooooo You said Boehlender Graebner ... I have neo 8's, had neo 3's - the extra sensitivity almost requires one of em zobel's in the X over ... the 8's dont usually in a 3 way and may be in a 2 way ... But no 48 or 75's ... Not horn loaded metal dome ... more like phenolic domes with metal horns. The Ti domes of crites and the ilk ... too bright and not in a good way. I like berillium too ... never had a NS1000, but had plenty of its brethren including my favorite monitor sizes NS25 - again can you say sleeper. I've also got several other types ... Ti or al dome in the Onkyo E 53 (JBL L100 killers replete with sealed cabinets not ported like the jbl's) Here is the kicker ... the 400 I paid for the mac pair would be the single priciest item on the list. I scored a pair of EV's ... 60's 3 ways with the X8, X36 cross overs, the T35 tweeter horn and M1832 mid horn (16" wide 4.5' tall cast aluminum) and the sp12 whizzer cone complete with EV attenuators on the back ... a scarcley believeable $20. The EV triaxials in gorgeous home made, sealed raw silk fronted cabinets - $15. I made a lot of audio mistakes in my first 2 years ... and essentially picked up good looking junk for decent prices. The next 2 years I basically flipped them all for around what I paid for em ... or paid for their replacements. I still have a few BS pieces ... but most of this I got as payments for working on other junk ... I would trade 1 dead receiver of x value when fixed, for working on another receiver of x value labor only. Mostly it works out, but some fools try to stiff me ... like the proton pre amp guy. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 04/29/13 at 19:37:57 434848414D424359582C0 wrote:
OK this deserves its own post - tube amps really really hate drifters. In fact in the old days speakers were 16 ohm impedance, they were meant to make tube amps never see less than 8 no matter what they were playing. I would find a set of 16 ohm electrovoices or other old speakers for the fisher tube amp ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by Face on 04/30/13 at 17:53:13 Agreed.... The other option would be some new HEAVY iron output trafos with multiple impedance taps on the secondary windings. Those can get pricey tho. Otherwise higher ohm speakers are the way to go. Out of curiosity, does the Fischer list a load rating? |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 04/30/13 at 19:09:27 Y'know winding an output trafo may be in my near future. Shockingly expensive part of a tube amp. You can get yourself an input trafo on the cheap by gutting a big HT amp with a nice 500 or so VA 30-35v AC supply rail and yanking that trafo and running it in reverse. I have 2-3 sitting round very eligible for that task. Couple are even toroids. You can get dynaco st 70 upgrade boards ... or bloody hell, use the old st 70 board - also cheap on ebay and audio sites. 20-30 bucks. That leaves the chassis and iron and tubes ... tubes gonna cost ya the same ... 2-300. Chassis - almost any price ... your taste and industriousness is the limit here ... That leaves the Iron ... wind them and you got yourself in for $3-400 tubes included, 30-40 watt tube amp. Buy it and you're out nearly 2 X. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by Midnightrider on 04/30/13 at 23:19:38 Not to change the subject but I play only guitar tube amps. It cost over $200 to retube an amp with decent quality tubes, not NOS great ones. But its amazing what a new or different tube will do to the overall sound of the amp. I have 2 1973 Fender Super Reverbs that still have the original tubes. Just for sh!ts and giggles I put some new tubes in one of the Deluxe Reverbs one day and it sounded like sh!t. If I'm alive when the original tubes go out it will probably cost upwards $1000 to retube it with NOS's if I can find them. I've bought several tube amps off of guys that sounded terrible, changed the tubes and I had a great amp. I've been wanting a tube stereo for along time but I just cant justify the cost. Like the moron I am I carried two great turntables to the dump in the late eighties. The older I get the less I listen to music, when I do listen its quality music which is getting harder to find. I'm not into this Thump Thump Sh!t I ran sound for a lot of bands and when I could hear a good cymbal sparkle and glimmer I knew I had it right. The rest of it would come together. My ears are basically shot just like every other rock guitarist ears so it would literally be a waste of money to drop thousands on a tube stereo. I have a 10 year old Harmon Kardon receiver and Klipsch speakers that will probably be with me till the day I die. I have a decent set of Klipsch speakers on my computer and I do more listening to old bands on You Tube than anything. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by Midnightrider on 05/01/13 at 00:05:39 [quote author=44455E5956435F370 link=1366500563/30#30 date=1367374167]Y'know winding an output trafo may be in my near future. Shockingly expensive part of a tube amp. A guy named Paul Reed Smith started building guitars in the 80's One day he ran into Carlos Santana at Manny's in New York and the rest is history. Paul has a factory that turns out superior quality guitars at the rate of 200 to 300 a week that cost anywhere from $2000 to over $10,000 apiece. About 5 years ago he decided he wanted to get into the amp business so he hired a guy named Doug Sewell out of Texas to get him started. Doug is famous for getting any sound you want out of his custom built amps. I don't know if Paul bought or leased Dwayne Allmans amp that he recorded Live At The Fillmore on but anyway he got it in his possession. He also got Jimi Hendrix's most famous stage amp. Both amps are Marshalls. He got Doug to tear them apart and map everything. Paul had in mind to build a dual amp in one box that contained Dwayne's and Jimi's amps. Everything was going fine until they got to the transformers. The transformers were totally different even though both amps are Marshalls. It was gonna be too costly and time consuming to try to build them theirselves. Paul being the relentless man he is searched for 2 years before he found the right guy to build the transformers. That's how touchy the transformers are. That's one of the reasons Paul is so successful, he is a total perfectionist. Now the finished product is Dwaynes amp on the left side of the cabinet and Jimi's amp on the right side. They're 2 different amps with 2 different transformers sharing only the reverb circuit. Being the guitar very *friendly* person I am I had to have one. All of my buddies love it. I'm good friends with the guitarist who plays for the two living original members of the Lynard Skynard Band, Ed King and Artemus Pyle. He told me its the best amp he's ever played through period. Ed is real sick now (has heart trouble)but if he gets better they want me to go on a small tour with them and play bass. They did Florida back in Jan and I was too sick to go. Its been 35 years since the plane crashed. I think Derrick (their guitar player) just wants to use my amp LOL. It would be a dream come true if Ed and I can get healthy. Artemus has the body and mind of a 40 year old. If you didn't know him you would think he's on speed LOL. Anyway Sri, good luck with your transformer, you've got your work cut out for you. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 05/01/13 at 08:21:53 Old Harman kardon ? Klipsch ?? models numbers please ... and if the klipsch'es are the size of a refrigerator ... I want em when you dont ... If I have to carry em the 100 miles 1 @ a time. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by Midnightrider on 05/01/13 at 13:00:53 The Harmon Kardon is an AVR230. 50 watts per channel.Its nothing special though it sounds pretty decent. Its 12 or 13 years old. I bought it new off the internet for $199 while audio stores around here were selling them for 299. The Klipschs are the small ones (Wish they were the big ones) The 5 speaker package. I did splurge and get a 10" woofer. The whole package came in at a little less than a thousand while audio stores were selling the same thing for $1300 to $1500. I would go to an audio store and listen and pretty much pick out what I wanted and go home and buy it off the internet. I'm cheap. I bought a Sony surround sound system for $500 new when they first came out with them in the 80's and my parents still use it today. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 05/01/13 at 13:51:16 684C414B4C424D51574C414057250 wrote:
Oh a hk 230 - not a hk230e right - one with a tuner with a thumb wheel ala old marantz but on top ... that would just be stereo, not 5 channel - I have 2 of those. HK sounds great ... you just dont want to work on it. I bought a sony for $420 - almost the first purchase in the US. I got rid of it about 2 years ago for like 40 or so. I've not got 400 in everything in the house ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by Face on 05/01/13 at 21:14:06 Sri- I agree that the older HK stuff was great, but I've not been too impressed with their new digital topology. From the sound of it, you're not either, as far as working on them. Midnight - I, too, suffer from the effects of too many nights playing in a rock band in dirty little shite hole bars and clubs. My ears are only good for root frequencies up to about 16khz. But I think you'd be suprised how well even damaged ears can pick up on upper register harmonics. Don't let "bad" ears keep you from enjoying quality gear. Especially if you're looking at tube amps. They don't do a great job of playing full range, it's the midrange warmth that sets a tube amp apart. You're absolutly right that an output trafo, on either a guiter or stereo amp must have near perfect values. Sri's idea of winding his own is sometimes the only way to get what you need. Many, many factors must be considered and adjusted for when choosing an impedance ratio for ouput iron. And as for tubes....be careful. If you don't know how to read a tube power curve chart, make sure to only replace tubes with those of the same model number. Otherwise, one of two thing will happen. It will sound horrible, or you'll burn up your expensive new tubes in a matter of hours. Oh, and if your amp has more than one tube per channel, get a matched set. If either of you are looking for decent prices on tubes, I would suggest "The Tube Store" out of Canada. Great selection of new and NOS. Even some pretty cool boutique tubes. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by Midnightrider on 05/01/13 at 21:57:18 The trouble with todays systems is they're designed more for movies than music. Now that they're printing vinyl again I might spend some money on a tube stereo. I do well with good quality headphones. My best friend (I taught him how to play guitar) mows the yard of a guy who was a technician at the Pentagon. This ol geezers basement is nothing but NOS tubes. My friend is trying to buy him out and I believe the old man is about ready to sell. I've got NOS EL84's and 6L6"s from him. The only other power tubes I use are 6V6's, my favorite amps run these and the twenty watts they put out are easier on the ears. I'm a Fender guy, all my amps are Fenders or handmade clones except for my Paul Reed Smith and it takes 6L6's.I have one Vox AC15 I play my Gretsch and Rickenbackers through. They sound fantastic through the Vox. Its EL84's. If you or Sri need some kind of obsolete tube let me know, the old geezer probably has one. Before I lucked up on that find I mainly ran JJ's. I'm having a major brain fart but the guy I bought them from owned part of the JJ factory and he graded and matched all his tubes. He builds stereos, start around 2 grand. I know that you know who I'm talking about. JJ's are sometimes kind of flat sounding but they're highly dependable, at least mine were. If you've played the Do Drop Ins like I have tone is almost impossible in most of those dives. Most of my sound comes from my pedalboard. It hasn't got but about 8 pedals on it but most of them are no longer available. I've got an original Tube Screamer and several more no longer made pedals that sound fantastic. My Cry Baby was built in 1976. I've been offered thousands for just my pedalboard. I have another great friend who ran sound for Dolly Parton and several other famous artist. He builds his amps from scratch and he tweaks mine. Everytime I have bought a boutique amp like the Paul Reed Smith I let him tear it down to get ideas. I can take a stock amp to him and tell him how I want the sound tweaked and he does it. Its cheaper than changing speakers and a lot more foolproof. Changing speakers can become expensive, you don't know if its gonna work unless you put it in your cab and most companies wont accept returns. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 05/02/13 at 06:14:33 I should say the HK amps I have tried have all been uniformly good. However I dont buy anything that tips the scale under 50lb. Or a pound a watt ... Open the suckers up and its an un classified un mitigated disaster ... fuses - all fuses - 8 of em in mt HK avr 7000 in the bottom of the board that is buried under 4 boards ... and can not be pulled out, they need to be desoldered, so you have to get under that board too. I have cut a hole in the thing and made a removable panel and put the fuses on the bottom of the board ... Now the flip side is denon ... sounds fine, and open it up ... its well laid out, but its unreliable as hell ... denon will slap a power transistor onto a heat sink with no mica and no thermal compound ... I should say these all had their high points and their lows ... yamaha my favorite HT amp - RX-v1 - great, dsp3090 - even better, but they had a few dummies ... onkyo TX sr 805 great - tx sr 806 - awful ... so on. pioneer had a disaster in the vsx1020, but I had a vsx 1015, and a 1017 that was simply phenomenal. HDMI - the first 2-3 generations of it were bad for these. The Onkyo 805 died from HDMI issues a lot. Pioneer 1020 and 1021 too Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Ah, 4:20... which holiday is yours... Post by srinath on 05/08/13 at 18:59:10 Check this out on rewinding a transformer - http://www.pocketmagic.net/2011/09/rewound-microwave-oven-transformer/#.UYsB_kotYUU Apparently a microwave trafo is a great starting point. I have a few of these, these are common waste/scrap yard items. Yea I got everything under the sun. Cool. Srinath. |
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