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Title: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Paraquat on 05/02/13 at 06:16:20 http://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2013/05/01/town-rallies-around-eagle-scout-facing-expulsion-over-gun-charge-n1584367 Cliff notes: Eagle Scout left a shot gun in his vehicle by accident. Called his mother to come pick it up. Was overheard and some jagoff called the police. Where I stand: He's an Eagle Scout, sounds like is a good character, and obviously meant no harm to anyone. He tried to remedy the situation as best he could and when confronted he responded with total honesty... ...but zero tolerance means zero tolerance. Not zero tolerance unless it's an accident or unless you're a boy scout. I'm conflicted on this story. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by srinath on 05/02/13 at 06:21:30 Todd Starnes ? wowee you cant find a more biased source ? I can ... Here it is ... gunssavelives.com http://gunssavelives.net/blog/honors-student-eagle-scout-charged-with-felony-and-expelled-after-accidentally-leaving-shotgun-in-truck/ Ha ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by WD on 05/02/13 at 06:52:11 Read both articles and most of the comments after both. School overreacted, plain and simple. I graduated in 1991. We routinely had guns in our cars during hunting season, most of the male students carried a pocketknife (it still was considered part of your duty as a male). |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by srinath on 05/02/13 at 07:19:45 687B3F0 wrote:
Opinions, schmopinions ... and you only find this opinion on a right wing blog ... This has been on the news in NC since sometime last night ... like I said ... opinions on a biased blog obviously are biased ... 9 out of 10 hard right wing blogs are pro right wing ... oh woweee what a surprise. But what about the 10th right wing blog ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Dane Allen on 05/02/13 at 08:57:47 Zero tolerance is just another phrase for zero intelligence. All these administrators need to be fired since their jobs require no decision making or interpersonal skills. Just look up a rule and pass judgement. A Howler Monkey can do that. "The law is very clear when a person knowingly and willingly brings a weapon onto educational property, spokesperson Tracey Peedin Jones said. The situation was turned over to law enforcement immediately. Public schools are a disgrace, my kids are home schooling next year for Kindergarten and 2nd grade because California public schools are garbage. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by bill67 on 05/02/13 at 09:04:35 You let one get away with it and all the boys will be doing it to be cool,Have and argument start and sooner or later some one will get shot. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Dane Allen on 05/02/13 at 09:11:05 5B5A4146495C40280 wrote:
Opinions, schmopinions ... and you only find this opinion on a right wing blog ... This has been on the news in NC since sometime last night ... like I said ... opinions on a biased blog obviously are biased ... 9 out of 10 hard right wing blogs are pro right wing ... oh woweee what a surprise. But what about the 10th right wing blog ... Cool. Srinath.[/quote] The problem is the opinoin is also very logical and reasonable. Just because it is an opinion doesn't mean it is wrong and just because you have no logical rebuttal also doesn't make it wrong. It is a very solid opinion and you have done nothing to counter it. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Paraquat on 05/02/13 at 09:13:53 Sri - you've got to be kidding me. You're going to dismiss another article because of the source? Google your own darn article then. What part did he embellish? Being an Eagle Scout? Attending church? Being in high school? Having a family? Existing?? Although it pains me I agree with Bill on this. The policy is zero tolerance. If one can skate by it will set a precedent. That all being said 12 years ago I carried a Leatherman with me to high school. The times are changing, however. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Pine on 05/02/13 at 09:21:59 282326267C7D4A0 wrote:
Thats a mighty extreme (though common for adminstrators) position to take Bill. Not sure how cool it is to be calling mom to come clean out the car. Cant really see that catching on. Shotguns ( hunting variety) are not really considered cool down here. Thats something grampa used to hunt. Sure its a gun and all... but cool to drive around with one... not most kids. This is were (to me) why a national anti-gun law is wrong. Each area has its own history and tolerance level for guns. This also shows how people with NO CRIMINAL INTENT OR MALICE are made into criminals. Its not what he did with a gun... its that he just had the gun. No one was harmed, yet he is in jail. This to me is paramount to jailing anyone with a bucket of water becauses they COULD drown someone. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Dane Allen on 05/02/13 at 13:04:41 To reiterate: ...knowingly and willingly brings a weapon onto educational property, He was neither knowing or willing but they punished him anyway. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by bill67 on 05/02/13 at 13:29:45 Ignorant is no excuse. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by srinath on 05/02/13 at 14:01:13 7E4F5C4F5F5B4F5A2E0 wrote:
Its a opinion fluff piece from a right wing blog ... and the commenters were all surprise surprise ... right wingers ... And Yes on precedent, yes on zero tolerance ... the rule - lets try when you get pulled over going 50 in a 35 see if you can talk yourself out of the ticket saying you didn't know it was 35 there ... or better yet see if you can call your mom to come there and remove something ... Ignorance is no excuse ... however even RMoney doesn't know that ... "he has generously offered to leave the country and not pay any taxes ... not knowing he still has to pay taxes at the same paltry 13% he has been paying while sitting here" I think it runs in the republican blood ... if you dont like something ... just call it government waste ... or claim you didn't know the gun was in your car. At the end of it, this kid will probably end up seeing a judge who will say ... "Yea dont do it again, now get out" which is right ... however that is a call only a judge can make ... not a school principal. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Dane Allen on 05/02/13 at 19:56:00 696873747B6E721A0 wrote:
Its a opinion fluff piece from a right wing blog ... and the commenters were all surprise surprise ... right wingers ... And Yes on precedent, yes on zero tolerance ... the rule - lets try when you get pulled over going 50 in a 35 see if you can talk yourself out of the ticket saying you didn't know it was 35 there ... or better yet see if you can call your mom to come there and remove something ... [/quote] I love the apples to oranges comparisons.... ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Midnightrider on 05/02/13 at 23:09:53 We have a new strict right wing governor who will probably fix it. His only crime was being forgetful. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by bill67 on 05/03/13 at 03:04:03 Did you hear about the two brothers in Boston working on a science project. They got tried of carrying them so they just left them on the street. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by srinath on 05/03/13 at 06:45:08 6D48474C6845454C47290 wrote:
Its a opinion fluff piece from a right wing blog ... and the commenters were all surprise surprise ... right wingers ... And Yes on precedent, yes on zero tolerance ... the rule - lets try when you get pulled over going 50 in a 35 see if you can talk yourself out of the ticket saying you didn't know it was 35 there ... or better yet see if you can call your mom to come there and remove something ... [/quote] I love the apples to oranges comparisons.... ;D ;D[/quote] And why is it not apples to apples ... Ignorance of the rule doesn't give you an excuse no matter what you're ignorant of ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Dane Allen on 05/03/13 at 08:59:11 1213080F001509610 wrote:
And why is it not apples to apples ... Ignorance of the rule doesn't give you an excuse no matter what you're ignorant of ... Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Oh, the irony!!! Not completing an inventory of the contents of your car is not the same as speeding. Driving is a priviledge and gun ownership is a right. The rule listed above specifically states "knowingly and willingly." I didn't make this up, only stating the facts. As explained in other posts, you should compare like for like. Ignorance.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Get a dictionary!!! |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Paraquat on 05/03/13 at 09:05:53 I must say, Dane... "knowingly and willingly" kind of shook me. That moment of realization. If you're looking at the 100% legal definition the Eagle Scout should be free and clear. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by srinath on 05/03/13 at 09:32:04 0B2E212A0E23232A214F0 wrote:
And why is it not apples to apples ... Ignorance of the rule doesn't give you an excuse no matter what you're ignorant of ... Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Oh, the irony!!! Not completing an inventory of the contents of your car is not the same as speeding. Driving is a priviledge and gun ownership is a right. The rule listed above specifically states "knowingly and willingly." I didn't make this up, only stating the facts. As explained in other posts, you should compare like for like. Ignorance.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Get a dictionary!!![/quote] Oh yea then everyone would claim they didn't know ... duh ... That's why these things get kicked to a judge. And of course he knew the gun was there - which was why he was calling mom to come and remove it ... right there your argument fails ... Failure ... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Get a dictionary!!! Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Dane Allen on 05/03/13 at 09:59:09 0C3D2E3D2D293D285C0 wrote:
Yes, but we are not a nation of laws anymore but, rather, a nation of convenience, hysteria and corruption. The current system is designed to crush individuals and non-PC, non-Marxist approved identities like Christians and the family. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Dane Allen on 05/03/13 at 10:04:06 3B3A2126293C20480 wrote:
And why is it not apples to apples ... Ignorance of the rule doesn't give you an excuse no matter what you're ignorant of ... Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Oh, the irony!!! Not completing an inventory of the contents of your car is not the same as speeding. Driving is a priviledge and gun ownership is a right. The rule listed above specifically states "knowingly and willingly." I didn't make this up, only stating the facts. As explained in other posts, you should compare like for like. Ignorance.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Get a dictionary!!![/quote] Oh yea then everyone would claim they didn't know ... duh ... That's why these things get kicked to a judge. And of course he knew the gun was there - which was why he was calling mom to come and remove it ... right there your argument fails ... Failure ... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Get a dictionary!!! Cool. Srinath.[/quote] It helps if you read the whole article and not just reconstruct certain parts to suit your world view. It actually states that he discovered the gun AFTER he got to school and was retrieving a school bookbag from the vehicle. OUCH!!! It must hurt to be you!!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by srinath on 05/03/13 at 10:27:41 082D22290D202029224C0 wrote:
And why is it not apples to apples ... Ignorance of the rule doesn't give you an excuse no matter what you're ignorant of ... Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Oh, the irony!!! Not completing an inventory of the contents of your car is not the same as speeding. Driving is a priviledge and gun ownership is a right. The rule listed above specifically states "knowingly and willingly." I didn't make this up, only stating the facts. As explained in other posts, you should compare like for like. Ignorance.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Get a dictionary!!![/quote] Oh yea then everyone would claim they didn't know ... duh ... That's why these things get kicked to a judge. And of course he knew the gun was there - which was why he was calling mom to come and remove it ... right there your argument fails ... Failure ... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Get a dictionary!!! Cool. Srinath.[/quote] It helps if you read the whole article and not just reconstruct certain parts to suit your world view. It actually states that he discovered the gun AFTER he got to school and was retrieving a school bookbag from the vehicle. OUCH!!! It must hurt to be you!!! ;D ;D ;D[/quote] You are so full of sheite ... This is a NC news story ... I heard about it ad nauseum ... and not from right wing nut blogs either. He got the gun to school after using it the previous day ... as in he put the gun in there so he knew about it. No one broke in and put a gun ... so he knew ... in any case ... Right wing nuts will say what they want ... which is why that was a fluff piece ... the news on it has been out for a while longer than you were able to read Todd Starnes blog. He put it there ... he knew it was there ... if he drove it to school that is willingly. The rule is to catch the nut who brings a gun to school before he starts shooting. Duh ... that is the intent of the "gun free zone" ... if you're here with a gun you'll be arressted just for that and charged with a felony. Post columbine that is the reality we live with, and plenty of kids bring guns to school all the time. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Paraquat on 05/03/13 at 11:06:44 http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/02/liberty-university-offers-scholarship-to-n-c-high-school-student-arrested-for-accidentally-leaving-gun-in-his-truck/ It's all said and done now. Liberty College stepped up. His sister is cute. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by srinath on 05/03/13 at 11:19:39 0736253626223623570 wrote:
Oh gee gun nut helping gun nuts ... if he have knocked up someone and he didn't own up and she had to get an abortion I wonder how much trouble he'd have been in ... Ha ha ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Serowbot on 05/03/13 at 12:00:05 What kind of responsible behavior is it,... to go skeet shooting, then come home and leave the weapon in the car?... presumably along with ammo?... Then, diddle and twiddle all evening,... and go to bed,... with the weapon and shells still out there, all night?... Finally, remembering it's in the car the next day at school... When I return from shooting,... the weapons come into the house, immediately, get cleaned and wiped down, and put away... ... and I ain't no scout... but, I do treat weapons with the safety and respect they deserve... This little scout should lose a few merit badges for that... :-?... ... and his sister really is a cutey... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Midnightrider on 05/03/13 at 12:29:57 You guys wanna lock up a model citizen for making a mistake and trying to correct it while multi offenders are running loose everywhere. I know, I have a nephew who has made a career of stealing, been shot in an armed robbery, beat up his mom (my sister) and stepfather, stole old coins from his father, destroyed public property numerous times and he's still running the streets. He's found out the government will pay him for making babies now so that's his new career. He's due back in court next week for beating up my sister and his stepfather with a 2x4. I told his stepfather he's welcome to borrow any firearm I have to protect his self but his stepfather is a good man and wont hurt him. My sister will drop the charges but this time I don't think his stepfather will. My whole family has been begging him to stand his ground. This kid is what jails and graveyards are made for. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by srinath on 05/03/13 at 12:44:34 16323F35323C332F29323F3E295B0 wrote:
Dude you still here posting ... aren't you supposed to be on the road to race RC and my kid is looking for some nasty nascar style crash from my description (sorry I had to use the movie cars as an alanlogy - autism). Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Midnightrider on 05/03/13 at 12:46:54 I'm charging batteries as we speak, the cars ready. I'll be leaving a little after 5. Hope to see ya there. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by srinath on 05/03/13 at 12:49:43 54707D77707E716D6B707D7C6B190 wrote:
I'll be there kiddo in tow ... I'll call you or you call me when you get close to there. I am going to leave 6:30-45. I need to know exact location. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Serowbot on 05/03/13 at 16:37:14 Midnight,.. I'm not saying he should be locked up... ;D... I'm just saying leaving a weapon and ammo in a car, untended,.. is not exactly exemplary Eagle Scout behavior... The "Model Citizen"... title, is pretty subjective... and is being used by the Right to promote their point of view... If there's a merit badge for gun safety... he needs to get a refresher... |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Midnightrider on 05/03/13 at 20:36:35 Being charged with a felony can ruin his life forever. That and screwing up his education. He was caught trying to correct the situation. A gun safety class and 20 hrs of community service and he comes out with a clean record. No one deserves a felony for being forgetful. A felony is serious business , something that belongs on a career criminals record, not a kid that made a mistake. My son was charged with a felony one time by a stupid a$$ cop and all he was doing was defending himself. I hired a lawyer and paid big money to get him out with a clean record. I found out how it can totally ruin one's life. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by scanlory on 05/04/13 at 08:53:13 Probably should have gone to school administration first, vice his mother. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by Dane Allen on 05/04/13 at 19:18:37 4E7F6C7F6F6B7F6A1E0 wrote:
The world is going down the drain just a little slower. I am relieved that there are still some very small pockets of sanity out there!!! |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by bounder on 05/04/13 at 19:40:18 cant vote or own a hand gun |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by WebsterMark on 05/05/13 at 05:32:02 Zero tolerance policies were put in place by cowardly administrators too afraid (or too incompetent) to get to the bottom of an issue and make JUDGEMENTS against the people involved. They are afraid of not suspending a skeet shooter, but then finding a gun in the car of a gang-banger and being put in the position of having to act like the adults they are supposed to be. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/13 at 09:55:15 6455465545415540340 wrote:
Why are you conflicted? The Zero Tolerance policy is stupid, should never have been enacted. Each case has its own merits. The kid should get a pass. |
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Title: Re: Eagle Scout expelled from school Post by srinath on 05/05/13 at 10:53:11 5F6D6A7B7C6D7A45697A63080 wrote:
Correct and a republican communist Idea - Here is Wiki - The term "Zero Tolerance" appeared for the first time in a report in 1994.[6][7] The idea behind this expression can be traced back to the Safe and Clean Neighborhoods Act, approved in New Jersey in 1973,[8][9] of which inherits the same underlying assumptions.[8][10][11] The ideas behind the 1973 New Jersey policy were later popularized in 1982, when a popular magazine published the broken windows theory of crime. In 1982, conservatives James Q. Wilson and George L. Kelling formulated their theory in the article Broken Windows,[9] published in The Atlantic Monthly, a U.S. cultural magazine. The title of the article comes from the following example: Consider a building with a few broken windows. If the windows are not repaired, the tendency is for vandals to break a few more windows. Eventually, they may even break into the building, and if it's unoccupied, perhaps become squatters or light fires inside. Or consider a sidewalk. Some litter accumulates. Soon, more litter accumulates. Eventually, people even start leaving bags of trash from take-out restaurants. According to scholars, zero tolerance is the concept of giving carte blanche to the police for the inflexible repression of minor offenses, homeless people and the disorders associated with them.[10][11][12] A well known criticism to this approach is that it redefines social problems in terms of security,[13] it considers the poor as criminals, and it reduces crimes to only "street crimes", those committed by lower social classes, excluding white-collar crimes.[14] On the historical examples of the application of zero tolerance kind of policies, nearly all the scientific studies conclude that it didn't play a leading role in the reduction of crimes, a role which is instead claimed by its advocates. On the other hand, large majorities of people who living in communities in which zero tolerance policing has been followed believe that in fact has played a key, leading role in reducing crime in their communities.[14] It has been alleged that in New York City, the decline of crimes rate started well before Rudy Giuliani came to power, in 1993, and none of the decreasing processes had particular inflection under him.[14][15] and that in the same period of time, the decrease in crime was the same in the other major US cities, even those with an opposite security policy. But the experience of the vast majority of New Yorkers led them to precisely the opposite conclusion and allowed a Republican to win, and hold, the Mayor's office for the first time in decades in large part because of the perception that zero tolerance policing was key to the improving crime situation in New York City. On the other hand, some argue that in the years 1984-7 New York already experienced a policy similar to Giuliani's one, but it faced a crime increase instead.[14] With Rudy Guiliani @ the center of it. There is more - read it for yourself - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_tolerance There is a 100 arms of this ... drunk driving, harassment and bullying etc etc etc ... You cant take credit for those and wash your hands off the blame when it backfires in your opinion. Seriously I am surprised there was some good that came off it. Cool. Srinath. |
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