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Title: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 06/28/13 at 13:24:41 In the case of Zimmerman, the gun on his hip made him feel more powerful than he actually was. If he had not had the gun, he would simply have taken an earned ass kicking, gone home and tended to his wounds and his ego. People keep losing sight of the fact that Trayvon was not guilty of doing anything wrong, and I don't care which scenario you choose (Zimmerman chasing and finally running up on him, or Trayvon got tired of being hunted and turned the table), Zimmerman initiated the situation thinking he would be crowned the neighborhood hero. Well, he got crowned and he did not like the fit. Zimmerman did not decide to fight back with the same amount of aggression he met, he pulled his weapon and fired. Zimmerman bit off more than he could chew, a child is dead, and Zimmerman is guilty. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Paraquat on 06/28/13 at 16:00:01 http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/if-zimmerman-get-off-ima-go-kill-a-white-boy-trayvon-martin-supporters-make-shocking-threats-ahead-of-verdict/ --Steve |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 06/28/13 at 18:02:01 "The Blaze" -- as in a blazing cross? Glenn Beck's "The Blaze" is nothing more than a right wing hate sheet trying to stir the pot of fear and racism. This crap is beyond the pale. It should make mentally healthy people ill. Glenn Beck was fired from Fox. Could it have been for...say child abuse? Or murder? Or polygamy? Or necrophilia? Or sodomy? Or sexual harassment???? The list can go on and on. Speculating about what might have happened or what will happen is just another way to smear a person or people. And Beck is safe because the boy he is insulting is dead. The one thing Beck was NOT fired for was lying. So, he continues to lie in such disgusting venues as "The Blaze". This case keeps getting more and more outrageous. And more and more upsetting. It's also part of a larger trend. The right wing keeps bringing more unstable people into their fold. More fanatics, racists, morons, both in quantity and lower on the intellectual ladder - that's not hyperbole, it's borne out by facts - and what used to be ignored by the sane is now being addressed as if it has merit. It doesn't. They're proudly anti-science, pro-pollution, pro-torture, theocrats that should be ignored during adult conversations. That's not to say their lies shouldn't be debunked, but their ideas should not be part of serious political discussions. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 06/28/13 at 18:22:25 Star ... the balze is 1000 times more credible than some of the other sites that have been presented as "truth" by the wing nuts. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 06/28/13 at 18:45:55 Sorry to disagree Srinath, but if anything Glenn Beck puts out is credible I expect to see pigs flying around the moon. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 06/28/13 at 18:49:10 What station is the trial on? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 06/28/13 at 19:57:58 CNN is covering a lot of it, HNL (Headline News) is covering all of it and so is "Court TV". It is more than interesting to watch. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 06/28/13 at 20:22:41 I hope the racist bastard gets life and shares a cell with a big black guy who has a son Trayvons age. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/28/13 at 22:49:04 odd how much those who werent there know |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 06/29/13 at 13:14:00 I heard the police tell him to back down which he refused to do. He was looking for trouble and he found it. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/13 at 16:59:23 5B7F72787F717E62647F727364160 wrote:
your opinion. true,, cops said" we dont need you to do that" he did it anyway no one here knows hoot about it beyond that, YES, had he stayed in his truck, everbody stays alive, BUT, the fact that he didnt does not necessarily translate to " he instigated a fight in order to be able to justify shooting someone". clarity of thot is difficulkt when the outcome doesnt agree with how we feel. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Ed L. on 06/29/13 at 19:21:32 Been following it since the beginning, only live about 20 miles from Sanford so this whole dog and pony show is going on in my back yard. Travon got shot while pounding the back of George's head on the sidewalk after punching George in the nose. Pounding a persons head on concrete is like hitting him with a brick in the back of the head. Repeated blows on the rear of anybody's head will kill him. My father died because he slipped and fell over backwards smacking the back of his head on a concrete parking lot which crushed the back of his skull in so don't give me the line that Geroge's life wasn't in danger. Travon sucker punched George and then tried to smash his brains out on the sidewalk, George defended himself the only way he could. It was self defense. They both made wrong decisions which ended up with a ambush and a fight. If Travon had just stopped to talk to George instead of punk jumping him he wouldn't of got killed. Travon threw the first punch, not George. Untill that punch was thrown he could of walked away or just of been civilized and said "Hello". Don't try to play the racist card, one witness stated that she hear Travon call George a "crazy cracker", on the phone, an insult and a racial insult to whites in the south. Quit listening to the hype media like Nancy Grace and most of the news stations. Just look at the facts. I'm getting off this soap box. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by JRLeathercraft on 06/29/13 at 20:46:22 3332292E213428400 wrote:
Ha ha ha |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 06/29/13 at 20:55:03 "Been following it since the beginning, only live about 20 miles from Sanford so this whole dog and pony show is going on in my back yard. Travon got shot while pounding the back of George's head on the sidewalk after punching George in the nose. Pounding a persons head on concrete is like hitting him with a brick in the back of the head. Repeated blows on the rear of anybody's head will kill him. My father died because he slipped and fell over backwards smacking the back of his head on a concrete parking lot which crushed the back of his skull in so don't give me the line that Geroge's life wasn't in danger. Travon sucker punched George and then tried to smash his brains out on the sidewalk, George defended himself the only way he could. It was self defense."Ed L. Any other idiotic ways you want to blame the unarmed dead kid for causing George Zimmerman all this trouble by, you know, BEING DEAD? I don't care if Trayvon whacked Zimmerman's head or not; it was Trayvon who had the right to use self-defense. He was the one being stalked by a nut with a gun who had a lust for authority over others. Oh, and if George was truly "afraid for his life", he should have run away, at which point the police could have confiscated Trayvon's candy, George could have apologized for his rude behavior, and the parents wouldn't have had to pay for a funeral. If Trayvon did anything to protect himself because Z had his gun out in his hand, he had every right to. After all, what Z first told the police was that M "tried to cover Zimmerman's mouth with his hand and tried to pull the handgun away from him." Poor Georgie, all scared and stuff. You are seriously saying it's ok for someone to go to someone, pick a fight with them, and then shoot them. That is what you are arguing here??.....no blood was found on the sidewalk. Blood was found on zimmy's gun however. His own. You seem incapable of realizing that an unarmed kid had every right in the world to walk to a convenience store for iced tea and Skittles and then walk back to his dad's house without being harassed (let alone murdered) by some big ass hole made brave by a gun. It seems that the entire defense of George Zimmerman is based on the theory that Trayvon Martin had no right to fight for his life. Mall cop Zimmy outweighed the unarmed kid probably by at least 50lbs. If a 17yr. old scared him, maybe vigilante justice isn't Zimmy's calling. BTW responsible gun owners like Midnight understand that this kind of incident (murder) gives ALL gun owners a black-eye. The nonsense you posted here is just the kind of attitude that brings on more demands for gun control. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 06/29/13 at 21:08:14 One question,... where is the "Stand your ground" law for Travon?... That's all he was doing... He was armed with a soda and some candy,... and was stalked by an armed man... That much is fact... It is not incumbent upon him to submit to this person,... ...he stood his ground... Where is your "freedom" and "Constitution" now?... Are we all to cower and submit to the barrel of a gun?... You guys don't even think the police have that right... but, you think this boy should let some wannabe superhero bully him?... If only Travon had been packin' a piece, maybe he could have defended himself... Great.... problem solved.... just like you say... The solution to gun violence is more guns... :-?... Here's an idea... let's take all those "gun buy-back" weapons,.... and donate them to inner-city youths... They are the most likely to need to defend themselves... most likely to die from a gun... The bad guys already have one anyway,.. and the good kids are defenseless... That is sarcasm, by the way... Isn't it ironic,.. that the most armed members of society, are the least likely to need it... ...and the most likely to die,... don't have guns... Most inner city, ethnic kids,.. are good kids... and they live in terror... and they want better, and they want out... ... and the only option,.. is to risk death, or join... I think they understand that joining doesn't really make them safer... but, it makes them less powerless... Much like any of us arming ourselves.... If everyone carried a gun... it wouldn't be safer... It would just up the ante... It's like this "Zimmerman/Martin" case... Neither guy is really a bad guy,... it's just two guys... one with an ego complex, and the other with an inferiority complex... The reason it is national news,... is that one had a gun.... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/29/13 at 21:12:58 dont let facts get in the way |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 06/29/13 at 23:36:49 27383E3924231222122A38347F4D0 wrote:
Is that your mantra?... regardless of the known facts?... ;D... JOG,.. all things considered... .. the kid had done nothing,.. was doing nothing,... was carrying nothing... and was in his own neighborhood, walking home... He was a teenager,... coming back from the Quickie mart, with a soda and candy, and talking to his girlfriend on the phone.... This is the factual evidence... What is suspicious?.... The beverage?... the candy?... his hoodie sweatshirt... ... or his skin?... If this had been Tom Hanks... walking with a soda, some candy, and a cell phone,... would this be in the news?... would this have happened?... Could this boy have made himself white to avoid this?... I suppose he could have not worn a hoodie sweatshirt... but, I'll bet there are more "Hoodies" sold to white kids than black kids... Minus that,.. he couldn't be less threatening... Talking to his girl, carrying a drink, and candy... walking home... ... unless his color is a threat... Ohhh!... we can't know "how" he was walking,... or if he was "looking funny"... ...but, try looking as threatening as you can... while carrying a soda and a bag of candy... This boy is guilty of being black... If you, or anyone else here,... think you would have acted in the same way as Zimmerman did... come out and say it... Because,.. by supporting him,... you are implying that this was a rational decision... Tell me,.. that this boy's behavior, required that any rational citizen, behave in the same way as Zimmerman... and that you would have taken the same course of action... From calling 911, to following him against 911's advice, to getting so close that you were somehow physically overcome by this boy,.. and then to shooting him... dead... Zimmerman did everything he possibly could, to create this situation for no other reason than he wanted it... Ask yourself honestly,... if you had been Zimmerman, would that boy be dead?... Would you have called 911 to report a black boy armed with candy and soda?... would you have followed him, against the advice of 911?... would you get close enough to scare him, and confront him?.. How many rational lines must you cross to get into Zimmerman's position?... How many of lines would Zimmerman have crossed,... if he hadn't had a gun?... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 06/30/13 at 06:46:02 I’m thinking that if I lived in a gated community, it’s raining outside and there’s a kid STANDING in the rain, yea, I think I want my security guard, cop, neighborhood volunteer, whatever to give the kid a closer look. I remember as a young teenage punk wandering around the streets of South St. Louis in the late 70’s, Johnny-Law questioned us all the time. A few were pretend cops or security guards. One of them busted by buddies lip. (We had a thing for a while where we’d hop fences and take a dip in people’s pools late at night.) The jury won’t get to hear anything about this but this kid was on his 3rd suspension from school, was caught with a burglary tool in his possession and on Twitter a few days before this incident, he and his friend seemed to be talking about an incident where Travon attacked a bus driver. Since everyone else is speculating, here’s my two cents. Zimmerman either questioned the kid or had turned around and was heading back to his truck before he spoke to him. (I don't recall if Zimmerman said he actually spoke to him) Travon sucker punched him from behind, jumped on him and began pounding his head on the walk. That fits the injuries on Zimmerman and what the witness’s saw. Based on Travon’s recent past, it seems to me this was an young thug starting to emerge. He didn’t have a problem fighting. He over-reacted and to his bad fortune, picked a fight with a guy carrying a gun. Is Zimmerman guilty of murder? Nope. Is he guilty of anyting? Yea, something, not sure what however. Ask yourself honestly,... if you had been Zimmerman, would that boy be dead?... I have absolutely no idea what I’d do if attacked. Not long ago, I was at a driving range and saw two punks hitting golf balls at a sharp angle trying to hit people playing on the course next to the range. I walked over and stopped them. There were a few harsh words spoken. Later, I’m on the putting green as they are leaving the parking lot and they stopped in their car watching me. If they had attacked me from behind and I had a gun, what would have happened? (Now Sew, what you want to know is what color they were, don't you?... Because that matters to you.) Would you have called 911 to report a black boy armed with candy and soda?... If I were the neighborhood volunteer and saw a kid standing in the rain, I think it would be my job to ask him what’s up; white or black. why mention 'armed with candy and soda'? did he have a sign on him saying all I have is candy and soda? I don’t recall Zimmerman saying anything in the 9/11 call to make this into a racial case. You and everyone else are making it into that after the fact. How many rational lines must you cross to get into Zimmerman's position?... Again, without being there, I’m not sure how many he crossed? How many did Travon cross? Here's a question for you.... if Zimmerman were a black neighborhood volunteer and the exact same circumstances occurred, would you even give a crap? Remember, there's nothing to indicate Zimmerman was racist in his identification of Travon. by the way, here's a transcript of his call. Sorry, but I don't see anything racist. Zimmerman: Hey, we’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25] Dispatcher:OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic? Zimmerman:He looks black Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing? Zimmerman:Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. Either jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now … he’s just staring. [00:42] Dispatcher:He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK. Zimmerman:Now he’s just staring at me. [00:48] Dispatcher: OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111? Zimmerman:That’s the clubhouse. Dispatcher:He’s near the clubhouse right now? Zimmerman: Yeah, now he’s coming towards me. He’s got his hands in his waist band. And he’s a black male.[1:03] Dispatcher: OK How old would you say he is? Zimmerman: He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens. Dispatcher: Late teens? Zimmerman: Uh, huh.Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out. He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01:20] Dispatcher: OK, just Let me know if he does anything, OK? Zimmerman: OK. Dispatcher: We’ve got them one the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else. Zimmerman: OK.These assholes. They always get away. When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and make a left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:39] Dispatcher:OK, so it’s on the left hand side from the clubhouse? Zimmerman:Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you'd make a left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left. Sh** He’s running. [2:08] Dispatcher: He’s running? Which way is he running? Zimmerman: (Sound that indicates perhaps Zimmerman is getting out of his car) Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14] Dispatcher:OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards? Zimmerman:The back entrance. [Disputed utterance by Zimmerman at 2:22 that the subsequent affidavit of probable cause said was " "these f---ing punks".] Dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24] Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25] Dispatcher:OK.We don’t need you to do that. [2:26] Zimmerman: OK. [2:28] (wind noises heard) Dispatcher:Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34] Zimmerman:George. He ran. Dispatcher:Alright, George, what’s your last name? Zimmerman: Zimmerman. Dispatcher:What’s the phone number you’re calling from? Zimmerman: 407-435xxxx (wind noises die down) Dispatcher: Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there? Zimmerman: Yeah. Dispatcher: Alright, where are you going to meet with them at? Zimmerman: Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then they go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10] Dispatcher: Alright, what address are you parked in front of? [3:21] Zimmerman: Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3:25] Dispatcher: OK, do you live in the area? Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah, I live here. Dispatcher: OK, what’s your apartment number? Zimmerman: It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40] Dispatcher: OK, do you just want to meet with them at the mailboxes then? [3:42] Zimmerman: Yeah, that’s fine. [3:43] Dispatcher: Alright, George, I’ll let them know you’ll meet them at … Zimmerman: Could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at? [3:49] Dispatcher: OK, yeah that’s no problem. Zimmerman:My number … you’ve got it? Dispatcher: Yeah, I’ve got it. xxxxx? Zimmerman: Yeah, you got it. Dispatcher: OK, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4:02] Zimmerman:Thanks. Dispatcher: You’re welcome. Call ends 4:07 |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Ed L. on 06/30/13 at 10:12:29 Hey Star, I know you won't change your mind about George shooting Travon but the facts still remain that Travon was the one who through the first punch and as an eye witness stated was doing a ground and pound on George. Yes I think Travon was a troubled kid who had already started to go down the wrong path and it is tragic the he lost his life. Both George and Travon made a series of wrong decisions but the initial act of violence, the punch was Travon's doing, look at the facts not the cr*p that is pumped out by the media. Put your emotions aside if at all posible and get rid of that chip that you seem to love carring on your shoulder. Use a little logic if at all possible. Much Later Dude ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 06/30/13 at 11:36:14 I got into all kinds of mischief when I was a kid, drank, smoked a little weed, got suspended from school for 3 days for fighting but I didn't deserve to die. You could say I was well on my way to being a criminal but nothing is further from the truth. I wasn't mean, just mischevious. I heard Dispatch telling him to back off until the police got there, which Zimmerman refused to do. If he would have followed orders instead of trying to be Billy Boy Bada$$ both of them would be alive today. When the police broght him in he didn't look like he had been beat up at all, at the least a light a$$ whooping. If he had been beat like he said he was he couldn't have walked and should have went to the emergency room. His father is famous for being a racist and I don't think the apple fell far from the tree. The Boy Scouts and an occasional whipping from my dad helped set me on the right path. Once I learned how to play guitar that's all I wanted to do. That's why I don't believe in video games, Ipads or ipods, whatever you call them. Its important to learn how to think and learn for yourself. I never had a single guitar lesson. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 06/30/13 at 11:48:55 Bot its good to see you back. Sometimes we disagree but your opinion means a lot to me. Wecome back my friend. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by raydawg on 06/30/13 at 12:45:25 What I find perplexing, or perhaps more of a symptom of a world that seems addicted to "news" , is that this happens every day, somewhere, somehow. A life is lost prematurely, be it white on black, white on white, black on black, black on white etc, to circumstance that upon reflection could have been avoidable. I venture to say, using the same rationalizing that the "gun" is a major component to the outcome of this sad affair, then so is the press, akin to (them) chumming bloody meat to sharks, then exclaiming its wasn't a feeding frenzy that killed the innocent photographer who leaned over the rail a little too much to get a better picture..... As it will continue to feed racial discourse, not mend it. Until people can learn to forgive, reaching out, instead of striking out, to one another, accepting, instead rejecting, their own uniqueness (which we all are) as not a threat to "themselves", and acknowledging we ALL hold prejudice (for that is the way our mind is wired) then we will continue to slide into further decay as a society. A question to all: What have you done today, putting the other person first, before your own needs? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Ed L. on 06/30/13 at 17:28:16 Star, no one deserves to die, that phrase keeps coming up and I totally agree with it. If George didn't have a gun would he have pursued Travon? don't know and that scenario didn't occur. If Travon had talked to George instead of jumping him would Travon still be alive probably yes. My point is that Travon did something stupid by jumping George and ended up getting killed because of it. Travon used violence instead of acting civilized, he could of just run away, he only lived 45 seconds from where he got shot. He didn't deserve getting shot and killed but he put himself in the posistion where it could happen by chosing violence. Tragic at all levels |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 06/30/13 at 18:04:38 1D3C071476580 wrote:
That is a big assumption on your part... No one knows who was the aggressor... no one witnessed the start... Unless you are assuming that Zimmerman is telling the truth... which is unlikely seeing as he's told several different versions... What is known,.. is that Zimmerman was pursuing Travon... Travon was just going home... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 06/30/13 at 22:16:02 Sucker punched by Travon? ...It doesn't take much of a stretch to conclude that your opinions are based on something other than the evidence. The bloody nose? Who knows who was on the top or bottom as the scuffle ensued. I theorize that the blood appeared on his face after Zimmerman pulled the trigger and the gun kicked back and hit him in the face. Grappling around Z must have shot Travon with one hand and couldn't control the recoil. Head bashed in on cement? ...EMS took all of five minutes to wipe off and look at zimmy's head. They didn't even put a BAND-AID on his head. I think Zimmerman apologists routinely ignore the facts and evidence of the event and invent their own scenarios backed by their own version of "facts" so that the event corresponds to their wishes as to how IT happened. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WD on 06/30/13 at 22:38:08 Haven't been watching, don't care. There are multiple black on black homicides in my county weekly, 2 second news blurb and forgotten by not only the broadcast media, but the print media and the community at large. This case made news become somebody decided to try and make some political hay out of it. It was a local shooting, it should have stayed a local issue. I don't live there, really don't give a rat's ass about the case either way. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/01/13 at 05:41:26 That is a big assumption on your part... No one knows who was the aggressor... no one witnessed the start... Unless you are assuming that Zimmerman is telling the truth... which is unlikely seeing as he's told several different versions... Several different versions implies at least 3. I've only heard one which was at his arraignment. What over versions has HE told and what are the differences? What is known,.. is that Zimmerman was pursuing Travon... Travon was just going home... that doesn't appear to be the case. According to the transcript; when he was told to stop pursuing; he did. Travon than ran off. Dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24] Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25] DispatcherShockedK.We don’t need you to do that. [2:26] Zimmerman: OK. [2:28] (wind noises heard) Dispatcher:Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34] Zimmerman:George. He ran. Zimmerman then was heading back to his car to meet the police. It seems that Travon came back to him; doesn't it? Dispatcher: Alright, where are you going to meet with them at? Zimmerman: Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then they go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10] |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/01/13 at 05:44:25 to conclude that your opinions are based on something other than the evidence. The bloody nose? Who knows who was on the top or bottom as the scuffle ensued. I theorize that the blood appeared on his face after Zimmerman pulled the trigger and the gun kicked back and hit him in the face. Grappling around Z must have shot Travon with one hand and couldn't control the recoil. wow.... that's quite a conclusion there based on stuff other than facts Star..... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by oldNslow on 07/01/13 at 08:02:05 Quote:
Gun is a 9mm. Pretty light recoil even in a very light gun(which that one is) I'm a lot smaller and older than Zimmerman and I've shot .357s, and 44 magnums one handed hundreds of times and never had one hit me in the face. Sorry, that theory aint gonna fly. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/02/13 at 17:21:06 "Gun is a 9mm. Pretty light recoil even in a very light gun (which that one is) I'm a lot smaller and older than Zimmerman and I've shot .357s, and 44 magnums one handed hundreds of times and never had one hit me in the face. Sorry, that theory aint gonna fly." oldNslow Not true. Yeah I've shot those guns also...maybe ten thousand rounds or more in 43 years. A light weight 9 mm snub-nose packs a hell of a wallop. Sure you've shot such a gun one handed...so have I. At The range. Arm extended And Locked. Firm grip exactly where it should be. Braced for recoil. Piece of cake. Now we have Zimmerman on his back (supposedly), Travon on top of him (supposedly). Zimmy manages to free his gun one handed, wrest the gun upward just above his face and fires. The recoil Smacks him in the face, and ergo the bloody nose, lip, or whatever. (I have an image of Zimmy's cell-mate....and he ain't white). BTW, you seem to be a pro-gun kind of guy. As I've said before this kind of incident is just the thing to bring about more cries for gun restrictions if this guy gets away with this...you are metaphorically shooting yourself in the foot here. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by oldNslow on 07/02/13 at 19:12:24 Quote:
Sorry, still not buying it. The most plausible explanation for Zimmerman's bloody nose is the simplest one. Travon punched him. Getting smacked in the nose by his own gun strikes me as just an attempt to deny the obvious because you happen to believe Zimmerman is guilty of murder. Maybe he is. But I hope the jury decides that question based on the actual evidence and not on speculation about some remote possibility. I've not shot a Keltec 9mm which I think is what Zimmerman used, but I've put quite a few rounds downrange from a Ruger LC9 which is pretty much a copy of the Keltec, and the recoil is pretty insignificant. Saying that a lightweight 9mm - or any 9mm for that matter- packs "a hell of a wallop" is a real strech IMO. Quote:
So the case should be decided based on the possible political repercussions, rather than evidence and the law? How about just convicting him cause if "he gets away with this" a whole lot of black people are gonna be really pissed and might retaliate.? And consider this. Even if Zimmerman caused the whole incident by being stupid, once the fight started he had a right to defend himself. You don't lose that right because you're stupid, or a racist, or a wannabe cop or any of the other things he's been called. Even a dirtbag(And I don't happen to believe that Zimmerman is a dirtbag) has a right to keep himself from being harmed. Whether he was justified in using the amount of force he used defending himself is what this case is really about - nothing else. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/02/13 at 19:22:18 "How about just convicting him cause if "he gets away with this" a whole lot of black people are gonna be really pissed and might retaliate.?" Oh so, the race card now? "And consider this. Even if Zimmerman caused the whole incident by being stupid, once the fight started he had a right to defend himself." ...and so he's NOT guilty because Travon punched him??? What about Travon's right to defend himself? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Paraquat on 07/02/13 at 19:38:34 Act like an animal, get treated like an animal. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/02/13 at 19:55:35 (I have an image of Zimmy's cell-mate....and he ain't white). Star, you really are a racist POS. you're too stupid to even know how racist that is. Blacks are only good for votes and a$$rap1ng crackers in jail. You suck. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/02/13 at 20:53:05 Ha ha, that didn't take long....heerrrrrrrss *webby* chiming in with his name calling. ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WD on 07/02/13 at 23:19:19 Zimmerman isn't white... don't you remember, the magazine covers were doctored... even the more left leaning visual media recognized/admitted that they got conned. ;D Web, you've been through the "dankest,darkest" parts of Memphis, you know that most young black males can't legally vote... ;) |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/03/13 at 05:11:20 Star, you are a piece of sh1t and a racist f'ing pig. It's more of a title with you..... Not following your line of thinking there WD. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by oldNslow on 07/03/13 at 06:02:42 5B7C697A64616E7C6D7A080 wrote:
Go back and reread what I wrote. The statements you quoted were questions directed at you, not statements of my opinion. The point I'm trying to make is that regardless of how you happen to feel about Zimmerman the guy is entitled to a fair trial based on the actual evidence. As far as the "race card" goes, it isn't me that's throwing it down. That was done by most of the media and the usual race baiters - Jackson, Sharpton etc. - right from the beginning because they saw this situation as a perfect vehicle to further THEIR agenda. I shouldn't make any difference what color either of these guys are. Quote:
If it's determined that Travon was the attacker then he forfeits that right. Same for Zimmerman if he attacked Travon. But based on the testimony so far that doesn't appear to be the case. So we're back to the question of whether Zimmerman's response was justified. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/03/13 at 12:52:49 "Star, you are a piece of sh1t and a racist f'ing pig. It's more of a title with you"..... ...odd responce, are you a bed wetter? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/03/13 at 13:11:00 That's a stupid retort. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/05/13 at 19:02:32 Yea, that fool needs to go to jail. Never liked his "You're gonna like the way you look" ... The mens wearhouse fool. Now he's killed someone. Yea toss him in jail. "You're gonna look like a racist the way you look" and "bubba's gonna like the way your a$s looks". Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/05/13 at 20:36:44 ive never seen so much stupid in one place REALLY? None of us saw what happened IF TRayvon attacked him & got shot, he shouldnt have attacked him. if zimmy cat called him & goaded him into something, I hope he rots.. IDK what happened, but would you guys stop pretending youdo? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/06/13 at 16:17:46 293630372A2D1C2C1C24363A71430 wrote:
Hey ... You gotta like the way you look ... Jorge Zimmerman guarantees it, or he's gonna kill you. If only Trayvon was wearing Mens wearhouse Hoodie, and had liked the way he looked ... he'd be alive now. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/07/13 at 11:40:39 We'll probably never know the real truth. Zimmerman has already been caught in one lie. If he would have followed police orders Trayvon would still be alive. That's my take on it. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/07/13 at 12:01:24 4B6F62686F616E72746F626374060 wrote:
& if tray hadnt jumped on him, he would be alive.. NOT following police"orders" ? really? police say you do it,, then thats right? no,, |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by oldNslow on 07/07/13 at 12:48:12 I'm pretty sure Zimmerman was on the phone with a 911 dispacher not an actual policeman anyhow. A telephone operator basically - they can't ORDER anyone to do anything. And according to Zimmerman when the dispatcher said "we don't need you to follow him - or something to that effect - Zimmerman said OK, and was walking back to his car. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/07/13 at 12:50:08 clearly, the media played with the recordings,,thats been proven., |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/10/13 at 11:52:31 I just wish it had never happened. If Zimmerman gets off Rev. Al, Jesse Jackson. will start riots and encourage blacks to shoot white people. Its OK and encouraged for them to be racist. The last thing we need is another race war. With Obama being a Muslim we've had enough racist crap. The last thing we need is being mowed down by black people. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/13 at 13:05:10 the3 media was trying to start a race war the goobs grow in power if there is there artre people who want it this is being used |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Dj12midnit on 07/10/13 at 23:19:35 033D3C30223E3F510 wrote:
How do you figure? Zimmerman stated you have my cell have them call me and I will tell them where I am. He told the dispatcher where his truck was, if he was going back to his truck why would they need to call him? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/13 at 01:25:21 i dont see the connection, in truck, out,, hes where the cops are headed, he has the id, why would it mean they wont need to talk if he goes to his truck? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/11/13 at 05:49:58 I agree with jog. How many times when you are meeting someone do you say call me when you get there? One things for sure, I don't want to be anywhere near Florida for the next few days.... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WD on 07/11/13 at 06:41:11 Best to avoid ANY city for the next few days... if Zimmerman "gets away with it", the dregs of black youth will riot... if Zimmerman "gets falsely convicted", certain elements of white society will "retaliate" (conveniently forgetting that Z is not white until after they have their fun)... "Swart op swart, niemand omgee ... swart op wit, par vir die kursus ... Maar God verbied 'n swart jeugdiges doodgemaak word deur enigiemand anders as 'n lid van sy eie ras en sosiale klas ..." "Schwarz auf schwarz, niemand kümmert sich ... schwarz auf weiß, für den Kurs ... Aber Gott bewahre ein schwarzer Jugendlicher von niemandem außer einem Mitglied seiner eigenen Rasse und sozialer Klasse getötet werden "... And just for Srinath... "[ch2325][ch2366][ch2354][ch2375] [ch2346][ch2352] [ch2325][ch2366][ch2354][ch2375], [ch2325][ch2367][ch2360][ch2368] [ch2325][ch2379] [ch2346][ch2352][ch2357][ch2366][ch2361] [ch2344][ch2361][ch2368][ch2306] ... [ch2360][ch2347][ch2375][ch2342] [ch2346][ch2352] [ch2325][ch2366][ch2354][ch2366], [ch2346][ch2366][ch2336][ch2381][ch2351][ch2325][ch2381][ch2352][ch2350] [ch2325][ch2375] [ch2354][ch2367][ch2319] [ch2348][ch2352][ch2366][ch2348][ch2352] ... [ch2354][ch2375][ch2325][ch2367][ch2344] [ch2349][ch2327][ch2357][ch2366][ch2344] [ch2319][ch2325] [ch2325][ch2366][ch2354][ch2375] [ch2351][ch2369][ch2357][ch2366] [ch2309][ch2346][ch2344][ch2375] [ch2361][ch2368] [ch2332][ch2366][ch2340][ch2367] [ch2324][ch2352] [ch2360][ch2366][ch2350][ch2366][ch2332][ch2367][ch2325] [ch2357][ch2352][ch2381][ch2327] [ch2325][ch2375] [ch2319][ch2325] [ch2360][ch2342][ch2360][ch2381][ch2351] [ch2325][ch2375] [ch2309][ch2354][ch2366][ch2357][ch2366] [ch2309][ch2344][ch2381][ch2351] [ch2325][ch2367][ch2360][ch2368] [ch2325][ch2375] [ch2342][ch2381][ch2357][ch2366][ch2352][ch2366] [ch2350][ch2366][ch2352][ch2375] [ch2332][ch2366] [ch2350][ch2344][ch2366] ..." |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/11/13 at 07:36:43 the judge just said the jury could consider a lesser charge of manslaughter which to me means it's 50/50 now he'll get convicted of something because clearly, he's not guilty of murder. If the jurors feel the outside pressure of race generated by the media and race hustlers, then they might go with manslaughter thinking sacrificing Zimmerman is a better alternative. All I know is, if cities burn and people die, race hustlers such as Sharpton, Jackson (and even Starlifter and to some extent Sew on this forum) the media for talking up the 'Coon' comment when there was none, NBC news for editing the phone call to make it sound like Zimmerman brought up the fact he was black first when in fact he was answering the dispatchers question; all these people bear some responsibility for turning this into a referendum on race when it never was. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/13 at 08:32:09 If the jurors feel the outside pressure of race generated by the media and race hustlers, then they might go with manslaughter thinking sacrificing Zimmerman is a better alternative. Good point How would you like to be in his shoes today? anyone? he knows political pressure is part of the equation here. the jurors all know if he walks, bad stuffs gonna happen. they either hang him for something or watch all hell break loose. if i was on the jury, i hope i would have enough guts to cast an innocent vote IF, IF, IF, i truly believed him innocent based on facts & not allow threats from outside to force me to punish him, all these people bear some responsibility for turning this into a referendum on race when it never was. clear thinking |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by oldNslow on 07/11/13 at 08:51:41 Heard an interesting comment yesterday: What if the prosecuting attorney's closing argument is simply. "Ladies of the jury, please remember that as soon as you render your verdict, your names, addresses, and the names and addresses of all your family members will be made public. Please consider that before you decide." Bingo - convicted. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/13 at 09:15:12 you know the jurors have to have thot of that |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/11/13 at 09:51:38 ....and by the way.... let's not forget the role Presidential politics played in all this....... If the prosecuting attorney did that, it would be the last trial he was ever involved in. he'd be out of a job in a second..... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Dane Allen on 07/11/13 at 10:09:16 The government has screwed this case up soo bad that even if he does get convicted it will be tossed on appeal. So much for Obama's outreach to Latinos. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by oldNslow on 07/11/13 at 10:24:13 I think it's pretty plain that the judge here wants a conviction - on SOMETHING, even if the jury won't go for murder 2nd. Pay attention to what lesser charges she allows the jury to consider, and what her instructions to the jury are. If I'm right, the way she addresses the jury will let THAT cat out of the bag. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Dane Allen on 07/11/13 at 11:08:20 7B4544485A4647290 wrote:
And will guarantee and mistrial on appeal. This should never have gone to trial!! |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Paraquat on 07/11/13 at 11:09:33 I wish I could "like" posts like that. (OldNSlow) --Steve |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/11/13 at 12:16:33 at least the judge had the 'balls' to not allow child abuse charges to be considered. The prosecution should be embarrassed they asked for that. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 07/11/13 at 18:16:13 45606F64406D6D646F010 wrote:
A boy was killed... a boy with no harmful intention,.. walking home, unarmed, carrying an iced tea, and candy... He wasn't going anywhere to do anything wrong... he was walking in the direction of his home... You really think his death doesn't deserve his killer even going to trial?... If he had killed Zimmerman would you want a trial?... That is,.. if the unarmed boy had managed to kill his armed attacker with his bare hands?... ::)... Here's is why I no longer tend to participate in the TT... The arguments have become ridiculous.... Whether you believe Mr.Z is guilty or not,... a trial must be deemed necessary by any reasonable person... Fact is,... if Zimm had not been armed,... this would not have happened... Zimm had his macho on,.. and felt invulnerable... he was the root cause of the incident... and he, being armed, and a legal adult, in a public place, had the responsibility to use better judgement... He's lucky I'm not on the jury... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/11/13 at 19:57:19 I have been in Canada for a week and have just now read the last two pages of this thread. I cannot bereave the raw and ignorant racism of some of the people contributing to this topic. It sickens me to the core. The hatred being thrown at this boy is sickening, and that should make any rational person sick. How people here keep defending this sociopath is beyond reason. Did Martin fear for his life after being followed and confronted by a stranger while going to the store to buy candy and a soft drink? Was he, Martin, justified in standing his ground and defending himself when this stranger, an apparent stalker, approached him in a threatening manner? Think about it: We're told over and over that if Zimmerman was afraid of Martin, according to Florida law, he had the right to put a bullet in the chamber of his concealed handgun, get out of his car after being told not to by the 911 dispatcher and follow and confront Martin and shoot him to death. At the same time, we are told that Martin, who had far greater reason to fear Zimmerman, practically and for reasons of American history, did not have the right to confront his stalker, stand his ground and defend himself, including by using his fists. We are told that this was entirely unjustified and by doing so, Martin justified his own execution. The phrases "stand your ground" and "self-defense" have been repeated endlessly by anchors, pundits, analysts and experts, of the right-wingnut media, but never applied to Martin. What's going on here? How can the Florida law apply only to Zimmerman and not to Martin? If Travon had managed to grab Zimmerman's gun and shot and killed him with it, there's no question he would have immediately been arrested, charged with murder, and convicted of 1st degree murder in a week. Or say Travon was a white teenager and Zimmerman was black? Would everyone here be posting that the white kid was asking for it and got what he deserved?? I am upset that there are so many people here who are happy to marginalize this young man because he's (gasp) BLACK when the kid was on his way back to the home of his father with candy and a soft drink. I thought we were EVOLVING as a species, but I guess not. I believe all things considered there will be a compromise, a manslaughter conviction could still get him 30 years. That would be fine with me even though it was clearly murder. Now cue' webster to chime in with his stupid and never-ending name calling. You can set your watch by it. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/11/13 at 20:16:01 The arguments have become ridiculous.... Not sure how you can say that?.... How is it a ridiculous argument to say that this has been made into a race case when nothing, repeat NOTHING during the actual event indicated it was such. I posted the transcript of the call; now you look thru it and tell me where you see race as an issue? There had been break ins and he saw a kid he didn't know standing in the rain. Like I said before, if that's my neighborhood, and there's a watch guy on duty, he better darn well take a second look. You want ridiculous arguments? Read your own post. If this had been Tom Hanks... walking with a soda, some candy, and a cell phone,... would this be in the news?... would this have happened?... Could this boy have made himself white to avoid this?... I suppose he could have not worn a hoodie sweatshirt... but, I'll bet there are more "Hoodies" sold to white kids than black kids... Minus that,.. he couldn't be less threatening... Talking to his girl, carrying a drink, and candy... walking home... ... unless his color is a threat... Again where in the transcripts of the call could you have gotten any idea Zimmerman targeted him because he was black? Specifically point that out for us. ,... a trial must be deemed necessary by any reasonable person... No, if both had been black, white or Hispanic, none of us would have heard about this and there would have been no trial. It was turned into something it wasn't by race baiters such as yourself (as demonstrated above) and a host of others who need to keep themselves in the public eye. Now if the sh*t hits the fan, you'll take the crap you helped to start and use it to stir up even more crap. Nice going... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WD on 07/11/13 at 20:56:12 No, if both had been black, white or Hispanic, none of us would have heard about this and there would have been no trial. Guess you ran what I wrote back through a translator program... Star, how long has it been since you were in the South? Lisa and I left here in October 2001, and returned in April 1911. Yes, 1911, things had slipped back a bit in the less than 10 years we were out of the area. Based 100% on the actions of the black majority in this county. Familiar with the term "Black blight, White flight"? You should come down here in September for the get together. Happy to run you by the Lorraine Motel, er, "National Civil Rights Museum" as it is called now... wear body armor, you'll need it... Come to a city council meeting, the one where the loudmouthed convicted prostitute crackhead is trying to ram through some more legislation that in civilized cities would be considered, um "sh1tting where she eats"... 6 fire stations and 3 city police precincts are on the chopping block, supposed to go away this month... The trial needs to end, before they are gone. This area is a powder keg just itching for a spark. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/11/13 at 21:45:32 The racism Mr. Mark is coming from you and others here....Race wars? Blacks looting and burning cities? Blacks mowing down white people? All this and more if Zimmerman gets off? Isn't just saying these things racist? ...I don't know what to make of all of this?? I can only shake my head and wonder... Why are so many here defending this murderer?? Perhaps the gun people are afraid that a conviction will cast a shadow on the nation's 'Stand Your Ground' laws, and that due to the abuse or misapplication of the law, it may be repealed? Quote: "No, if both had been black, white or Hispanic, none of us would have heard about this and there would have been no trial. It was turned into something it wasn't by race baiters such as yourself (as demonstrated above) and a host of others who need to keep themselves in the public eye." WM No, it goes like this: If the police had arrested Zimmerman immediately after the killing (as they should have), this case would not have been much of a national issue at all. ...and so it goes. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 07/11/13 at 23:54:26 Cum'on guys... if a man kills someone, in his house, or even on his property,.. maybe... ... or even in a store or a bank,.. during a robbery... ... but outside, on a public walkway... and it turns out, he's armed with iced tea and and Skittles?... This dude needs some more justification... ... beyond,... he was black, and looking around... ...(he was looking around, because he was black, and saw a pudgy, dude with an attitude, coming down on him)... I'd have done the same... Some guy starts stalking after me... white, black, Hispanic... .. in the rain... You do that to me,... you better have a gun... ...and, if you use it,.. you better go go to trial... .. because I was just going home... WTF were you doing?... How 'bout you?.... You gonna' let a guy confront you, on a walkway, in the rain, and not get defensive?... Are you the guys that are so scared to be out,... ...that you pack a weapon?... Bullsnot!, cough, cough!... Hippo,,..cough, cough,..crisy... Honestly,.. if you are scared enough to carry a gun,... but not on edge when confronted, alone, for no reason,.. you are nothing more than a gun exchange for criminals... Just lay your weapon on the nearest flat surface... it's useless to you... give it away,.. before it kills you... ;D ;D ;D.... HUh?,... and the thought just occurred to me... What if they had both been armed?.. both been vigilantes?... ...both been there, staring suspiciously at each other, wondering why each of them were looking so suspicious?... Nothing more suspicious looking, than a suspicious person... Yes... if only there were more guns... ... and Travon had been armed too... Just a Utopian dream... I suppose... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/12/13 at 04:44:49 The racism Mr. Mark is coming you and others here....Race wars? Blacks looting and burning cities? Blacks mowing down white people? All this and more if Zimmerman gets off? Isn't just saying these things racist? No, it's not. Only people like you think it is. Explain to me how that's racist? In fact, why do you give me your definition of racism? Type out what in your mind racism is. People have different "working" definitions of words so let me hear yours. Why are people "defending" this "murderer"? For the same reasons I have to put words in quotes. You've made this into something it's not. You pushed until lines were drawn in the sand and forced sides to be chosen. I'm not defending Zimmerman but I'm defending your push to railroad someone who is not a murderer. If I'm in that neighborhood, I want someone looking long and hard at a kid he doesn't know standing in the rain. As was said, the neighborhood had seen its share of break ins. Here, read the article below (put aside your hatred of coulter, she's a brilliant researcher) and tell me honestly, if you lived there, do you think Zimmerman watching a kid standing in the rain was unreasonable? This week, instead of attacking a Hispanic senator, Marco Rubio, I will defend a Hispanic citizen, George Zimmerman, on trial for the murder of Trayvon Martin. (Zimmerman would make a better senator.) It's becoming painfully obvious why no charges were brought against Zimmerman in this case -- until Al Sharpton got involved. All the eyewitness accounts, testimony, ballistics and forensics keep backing up Zimmerman. We should send a big, fat bill for the whole thing to Sharpton, courtesy of MSNBC. With the prosecution's witnesses making the defense's case, the inquisitors' last stand is to claim that, if the races were reversed, the black guy would have been instantly charged with murder. As explained in The New York Times: "Had Mr. Martin shot and killed Mr. Zimmerman under similar circumstances, black leaders say, the case would have barreled down a different path: Mr. Martin would have been quickly arrested by the Sanford Police Department and charged in the killing, without the benefit of the doubt." (Also, CNN could have dropped the "white" and referred to Zimmerman exclusively as "Hispanic.") The people who say this are counting on the rest of us being too polite to mention that it is nearly impossible to imagine such a case in a world where half of all murders and a majority of robberies are committed by blacks. To reverse the races with the same set of facts, first, we're going to need a gated, mixed-race community, similar to the Retreat at Twin Lakes, that has recently experienced a rash of robberies by white guys. The only way to do that is to enter "The Twilight Zone." There were at least eight burglaries in the 14 months before Zimmerman's encounter with Martin. Numerous media accounts admit that "most" of these were committed by black males. I'm waiting to hear about a single crime at Twin Lakes that was not committed by a black male. Just six months before Zimmerman's encounter with Martin, two men had broken into the home of a neighbor, Olivia Bertalan, while she was alone with her infant son. She had just enough time to call 911 before running upstairs and locking herself in a room. The burglars knew she was home, but proceeded to rob the place anyway, even trying to enter the locked room where she held her crying child. Bertalan had seen the burglars just before they broke into her house -- one at the front door and one at the back. They were young black males. They lived in the Retreat by Twin Lakes. In another case, a black teenager strode up to Zimmerman's house and, in broad daylight, stole a bicycle off the front porch. The bike was never recovered. Weeks before Zimmerman saw Martin, he witnessed another young black male peering into the window of a neighbor's house. He called the cops, but by the time they arrived, the suspect was gone. A few days later, another house was burglarized. The thieves made off with jewelry and a new laptop. Roofers working across the street had seen two black teenagers near the house at the time of the robbery. When they spotted one of the teens the next day, they called the police. This time, the roofers followed the suspect so he wouldn't get away. The cops arrived and found the stolen laptop in his backpack. This was the same black teenager Zimmerman had seen looking in a neighbor's window. The only reason it's hard to imagine the Zimmerman case with the races reversed is that it's hard to imagine a white teenager living in a mixed-race, middle-class community, mugging a black homeowner. This is not a problem of society's reactions, but of the facts. There is, however, at least one case of a black homeowner fatally shooting a white troublemaker. He was not charged with murder. In 2006, the ironically named John White was sound asleep at his nice Long Island home when his teenage son woke him to say there was a mob of white kids shouting epithets in front of the house. The family was in no imminent danger. They could have called 911 and remained safely behind locked doors. But White grabbed a loaded Beretta and headed out to the end of the driveway to confront the mob. A scuffle ensued and White ended up shooting one of the kids in the face, killing him. White was charged and convicted only of illegal weapons possession -- this was New York, after all -- and involuntary manslaughter. He was sentenced to 20 months-to-four years in prison, but after serving five months was pardoned by Gov. David Paterson. With all due compassion for the kid who was killed, the public was overwhelmingly on the father's side -- a fact still evident in Internet postings about the case. The kids were punks menacing a law-abiding homeowner. Even the prosecutor complained only that Paterson hadn't called the victim's family first. The local NAACP had campaigned aggressively on White's behalf. There were no threats to riot in case of an acquittal. The centerpiece of White's self-defense argument was his recollection of his grandfather's stories about the Ku Klux Klan. George Zimmerman's memory of young black males committing crimes at Twin Lakes is somewhat more recent. John White wasn't jumped, knocked to the ground, repeatedly punched, and his skull knocked against the ground. He wasn't even touched, though he claimed the white teen was lunging at him. Talk about no reason to "follow," there was no reason for him to leave the safety of his locked home. White's son knew the kids by name. They could have waited for the cops. So, yes, this case probably would be very different if Zimmerman and Martin's races were reversed. It is only when the victim is black that we must have a show trial, a million-dollar reward paid to the victim's parents and the threat of riots. COPYRIGHT 2013 ANN COULTER DISTRIBUTED BY UNIVERSAL UCLICK |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/12/13 at 04:49:13 This dude needs some more justification... ... beyond,... he was black, and looking around... See?! This is what pisses me off to no end. You say sh1t like this with no justification except you own bias. How do you know that? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by oldNslow on 07/12/13 at 05:25:20 Quote:
OK. How about this. Travon threw the first punch. Broke Zimmermans nose. Had him on the ground pounding his head into the sidewalk. Even if Zimmerman is the biggest racist piece of crap that ever walked the earth(which I don't happen to think is the case, but that doesn't matter)he still has a right to protect himself from harm. The legal question here is whether or not the amount of force he used to do that was justified. Everything else is irrelevant. If you can't see that this case has been turned into a show trial about racial politics then you're either not paying attention or you are so blinded by your own preconceved notions, that you can't see what's plain as day. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/12/13 at 06:48:10 But ... but ... but ... Zimmerman banged his own head into the sidewalk after shooting the guy ... Legal mexicans think they're better than whites. The first thing they do, is distance themselves from their illegal brothers when they become legal. No way he's not the biggest racist POS to walk this earth ... cos he is a legal mexican. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/12/13 at 06:56:01 Sri, keep your incomprehensible comments out of this. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/12/13 at 07:11:48 1A282F3E39283F002C3F264D0 wrote:
You find that incomprehensible ? Seriously man, you need to learn english. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/12/13 at 08:30:31 I watched the 2nd half of the prosecution's closing arguments and the first part of the defense (which is going on now) and I gotta tell you, lacking pressure put on the jury, there is no way there is evidence for conviction. The only way they come back with manslaughter is because they feel the pressure that they've got to do something. Again, this is why this trial would have never happened if both were the same color. Race baiters choose this bandwagon to jump on for their own personal gains and it was the wrong one. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/13 at 09:05:29 & the black [anthers are publicly making threats & no one is being visited by doj or cops.. so, the threats are beng ALLOWED, for a reason.unrest is what the gooibs want. that way, they can put it down with force & initiate martial law |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/12/13 at 09:31:46 the prosecution is having their final rebuttal and are making excellent points. Enough to overcome the reasonable doubt offered by defense? Not sure. unrest is what the gooibs want. that way, they can put it down with force & initiate martial law I can't believe that JOG. What value would that give the 'gooibs'? the black [anthers are publicly making threats & no one is being visited by doj or cops they are not being visited because the DOJ are somewhat cowards and not wanting to get bad publicity. Remember, the media is an extension of the liberal party which has choosen sides and have a history of legal double standards. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/13 at 09:38:25 power, control, |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/12/13 at 10:02:13 Power and control over what? Sanford FL? Martial law would be temporary at best. The federal government wants to be in power, but they don't want to control. All they want is the votes. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/13 at 10:03:34 i disagree, |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/12/13 at 10:45:00 How to make illegal immigrants go from "We came here looking for a better life" to "you'd all die without me" ? Give them amnesty. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/12/13 at 12:53:34 I keep reading here that "Travon Martin was the aggressor". Travon Martin was the aggressor ??? (Well Travon was obviously guilty of WWB (Walking While Black), in that case you have no rights and should submit yourself immediately to any punkass who wants to prove their manhood.) WTF??? Martin was the aggressor???...Zimmerman was trained in mixed martial arts and was a so-called security professional who was much older and larger than Martin. Martin did nothing to provoke Zimmerman - Zimmerman spotted Martin from a distance and chased him down, forcing a confrontation. THAT IS AGGRESSION. Without Zimmerman's aggressive actions there would have been NO confrontation, and Martin would still be alive. I'll bet most, if not all, of Zimmerman's reports to the police were unfounded. Zimmerman is a sick paranoid weirdo. Throw a gun in there......and it makes for a tragedy ready to happen. George Zimmerman is the antithesis of a "responsible gun owner"....and yet the gun people here defend him??? How often do people with guns decide to follow kids walking along the street? I've never known anyone who did that, especially after being told not to do so. Once you are stalked by someone with a gun on a dark night, or your teenage daughter is stalked and killed by someone with a gun on a dark night, then maybe you would feel differently, and maybe you would be right. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/12/13 at 13:21:17 I don't defend him. If he had followed the disptchers instuctions Trayvon would still be alive. Its no secret he is pregidous. If Zimmerman goes free racial wars are gonna start up everywhere. The blacks have already threatened to shoot random white people even there were no white people involved. The whole ordeal could have been prevented if Zimmerman wasn't a racist and he listened to the police dispatcher. I don't know if he's guilty of 2nd degree murder but at the very least he's guilty of manslaughter. Responsible gun owners hate it happened, it gives us a bad name. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Dane Allen on 07/12/13 at 13:23:01 7E687F627A6F62790D0 wrote:
A boy was killed... a boy with no harmful intention,.. walking home, unarmed, carrying an iced tea, and candy... He wasn't going anywhere to do anything wrong... he was walking in the direction of his home... You really think his death doesn't deserve his killer even going to trial?... If he had killed Zimmerman would you want a trial?... That is,.. if the unarmed boy had managed to kill his armed attacker with his bare hands?... ::)... Here's is why I no longer tend to participate in the TT... The arguments have become ridiculous.... Whether you believe Mr.Z is guilty or not,... a trial must be deemed necessary by any reasonable person... Fact is,... if Zimm had not been armed,... this would not have happened... Zimm had his macho on,.. and felt invulnerable... he was the root cause of the incident... and he, being armed, and a legal adult, in a public place, had the responsibility to use better judgement... He's lucky I'm not on the jury... [/quote] I respectfully disagree with several of the points of this reply. First off, though, I think it is important to remove emotion from the consideration because I am sure we all agree that this has been a terrible tradgedy, a boy is dead and families are suffering. But, we do not convict people because we feel bad for someone. That said, I think we can agree that Zimmerman did everything right at least up until the point Martin attacked him. There were many recent burglaries in the community, Zimmerman observed a guy he didn't recognize from the community climbing fences/crawling through bushes. He called the police and kept an eye on the suspect. The 911 dispatcher asked questions and provided some simple instructions. Martin came after Zimmerman - Zimmerman, who is supposedly martial arts trained, folded like a cheap deck of cards. Martin, known as an accomplished street fighter, narcotics abuser and gun trafficker, pounded Zimmerman with impunity. Hardly unarmed, Martin had aggression, rage and a sidewalk at his disposal in addition to his youth, fighting skills and fists. Zimmerman was a guy helping his community which was suffering a crime spree by taking his turn keeping watch and calling the authorities when he witnessed something suspicious. He did it right. If Zimmerman was not armed then it would be Zimmerman who would be dead. It's odd that in todays world it is ok for a 17 year old, for the sake of being a minor, to visciously assault a resident for whatever reason he had. Why didn't he just ignore Zimmerman and continue home, Zimmerman didn't approach, talk to or engage Martin? Why attack a guy while he is on the phone to 911? Martin was the aggressor and it is sad that his life ended the way it did but we as a society can't jail Zimmerman because we feel bad for the family. Zimmerman rightfully protected himself and for the state to try to railroad him while whipping up racial tensions is inexcusable. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/12/13 at 13:30:10 Zimmerman was trained in mixed martial arts You’re talking crap cause you’ve not read up on anything. All you know is, you’re supposed to say Zimmerman killed Martin cause he was black. If you had read anything, you’d know Martin’s instructor rated him a 1 on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the highest. Saying he was trained in mixed martial arts is like saying the 9/11 hijackers were expert pilots cause they took a couple lessons and I know you wouldn’t agree to that. In a one on one fight; all experts who testified said Zimmerman stood zero chance and would have gotten his ass kicked. And, what they could not say in the trial, Martin was certainly not opposed to attacking people as the attack on a bus driver indicates. Zimmerman spotted Martin from a distance and chased him down, Again, not true at all. Either read up on the topic or stop making stuff up. Zimmerman did not ‘chase him down’ when he saw him from a distance. I'll bet most, if not all, of Zimmerman's reports to the police were unfounded That came out in the trial. How about you go read up on that and get back to me. Zimmerman is a sick paranoid weirdo Based upon what? You're assessment after studying the background of the case? ha ha, that's laughable. gun people here defend him??? as opposed to anti-gun people who make up stuff like you’ve done above? How about you go learn the facts of the case first and then open your mouth for a change. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/12/13 at 13:31:04 Its no secret he is pregidous just how in the hell can you say that Midnight? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/12/13 at 13:35:10 I see punkass kids like Trayvon Martin all the time ... Most of the time its obvious to me ther are about as bad a$$ as Justin Bieber ... and are also just about as good @ acting bad a$$ as the Beeb. Yea, he's the Beeb, stands for Baaaaad a$$$B ... However to a "wanna be holier than thou I've never seen anything whiter than me and I am shocked he can wear a hoodie and walk around" fool like Zimmerman ... these black kids are the equivalent of Al Capone. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/12/13 at 13:45:13 Neighborhood watch people are taught not to engage. They're taught to call the police and let them handle it. I smoked a little pot when I was 17, the majority of teenagers have. If Zimmerman had follwed police orders none of this would have happened. I haven't heard anything about Trayvon being a gun trafficker. He was no angel but he didn't deserve to die. Its no secret Zimmerman is a racist, if Trayvon was white this wouldn't have happened. I don't think Zimmerman should get off scot free but I'm not sure about the 2nd degree murder charge. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 07/12/13 at 13:46:38 03262922062B2B2229470 wrote:
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Dane Allen on 07/12/13 at 15:15:02 5F495E435B4E43582C0 wrote:
[/quote] The text messages and pics on Martin's phone that were withheld by the prosecution until the last minute detailed drug use, attempts to find .38 pistols, attempts to sell a .22 pistol and details of street fights and requests from a half-brother to teach him to street fight too. This is a very emotional situation but you can't convict a guy based on feeling bad for the family. Yes it sucks. The kid had very poor judgement and, based on some of the activities the kid was involved in, poor parenting and supervision. It sucks, it really does. The witnesses corroborate much of Zimmerman's testamony and very little of the prosecution's case. Zimmerman would have called the cops on anyone he didn't recognize that night, he's done it in the past. If you have proof that Zimmerman is racist then show it. I've avoided this topic because it is soo emotionally charged, including the state's effort to get Zimmerman at all costs. What it comes down to is reasonable doubt and Zimmerman's story held up to scrutiny. Now we will see if the jury can withstand the pressure and do the right thing. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Dane Allen on 07/12/13 at 15:18:01 Quote:
A report I read stated that Martin didn't walk around to one of the entrances to the community, rather he jumped a fence or shrubbery or somethign to take a short cut home through the small community. I will see if I can find that. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/13 at 15:30:05 racist! zimmerman HATES blacks! ooops,, uhhh,, weelll,, maaayybe not.. In late 2010 and early 2011 George Zimmerman, the Hispanic Sanford, Fla., man who shot and killed 17-year-old black teen Trayvon Martin, publicly demanded discipline in a race-related beating case for at least two of the police officers who cleared him after the Feb. 26 altercation, according to records obtained by The Daily Caller. In a letter to Seminole County NAACP president Turner Clayton, a member of the Zimmerman family wrote that George was one of “very few” in Sanford who publicly condemned the “beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on Dec. 4, 2010, by the son of a Sanford police officer,” who is white. TheDC has confirmed the identity of the Zimmerman family member who wrote the letter but is withholding that person’s specific identity out of concern for the family’s safety. Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/zimmerman-demanded-discipline-in-2010-race-related-beating-for-officers-who-investigated-martin-shooting/#ixzz2YsBLTbVd of course, if its not on every station, it couldnt be true |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by oldNslow on 07/12/13 at 15:56:55 Dane Allen wrote: Quote:
Not likely. This judge has done everything she could to guarantee a conviction.She allowed the jury to consider manslaughter on the next to last day of the trial, even though the trial started with ONE charge -murder 2nd. And the jury is not aware that the possible sentence in Fla for manslaughter is 30yrs. Which is the same as the minimum possible sentence for murder 2nd. Imagine their suprise when the women on the jury decide that the prosecution didn't prove murder, but that since they feel sorry for Travon's family, they'll throw them a bone and convict on manslaughter; and then they find out that they've sent Zimmerman to jail for 30 years anyway, on a LESSER charge. Regardless of what any ones opinion is regarding Zimmerman's innocence or guilt, this trial has been a travesty. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/13 at 16:26:09 Regardless of what any ones opinion is regarding Zimmerman's innocence or guilt, this trial has been a travesty. +1, & i believe its more likely to go on downhill from here. new black panthers are spreading hate & making threats. larry pinkney, founding member from the 60's, says its an "owned & operated" cia funded operation., |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 07/12/13 at 16:36:50 4C5355524F4879497941535F14260 wrote:
From the same source... Report: Matt Damon likes to mud wrestle midget prostitutes when he’s bored Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/12/report-matt-damon-likes-to-mud-wrestle-midget-prostitutes-when-he-is-bored/#ixzz2YsShDV42 Are you buying that one too?... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/13 at 16:57:34 lovely game, innit? you go hunting, it was made public shortly after his arrest |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Dane Allen on 07/12/13 at 18:00:28 15303F34103D3D343F510 wrote:
Ok, the community Martin encountered Zimmerman in is a gated community surrounded by fence so Martin went over this fence, through some neighbors yards and over their fences. I guess that is what triggered this whole thing. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/12/13 at 19:19:22 No, i believe he was staying with relatives while he was suspended from school. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/12/13 at 19:20:55 283E29342C39342F5B0 wrote:
Ooooh no, Dane's now going to accuse you of shooting the messenger and then declare victory. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 07/12/13 at 19:53:39 Sarah Silverman is not a midget... :-?... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOtCkSBxrdQ[/media] |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/12/13 at 20:18:25 "Florida: Supporters of Trayvon Martin are using social-media sites to organize nationwide riots and issue threats of murder if George Zimmerman is found not guilty. [Despite laws against inciting riots, federal and state law enforcement are ignoring these serious threats. If war protestors or critics of the Federal Reserve made similar threats, they would be in prison before dawn.] InfoWars 2013 Jul 8 (Cached)" If you don't have a carry permit it might be a good time to start thinking about getting one. No white people were involved but that's who they're threatening to shoot. Jesse and Al will be edging them on. Its OK for them to be pregidous. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/13 at 21:31:52 prejudiced root pre judge |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 07/12/13 at 23:00:29 Many Zimmerman supporters are trying to make this a race issue... It is not.. It is a gun rights issue... Specifically, it is a "Stand your ground" issue... This law, is new... and it is controversial... There has been a rash of state laws enacted, allowing a "Stand your ground" defense... ... and this is the reason that this crime attracted media attention... This is not a matter of opinion,... it is a matter of short term memory... We are talking about the rationality of the "Stand your ground" laws... Misdirection,.. is not a method of argument... it is a method of obfuscation... If you can't argue your point... you have already lost the argument... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/12/13 at 23:29:42 No responsible gun owner would try to defend Zimmerman. He made all gun owners look bad. He made a racist comment to the police. Those blanket blank blanks always get away. Everyone can figure out how to fill in the blanks. Neighborhood Watch groups are taught never to engage!!!! That's about all I know about what went on but not following police orders got him in a lot of trouble. Someone made a comment a few pages back that dispatch are not police and you don't have to follow their orders. You have to go to a class to become a certified neighborhood watch person. The first thing they tell you is do not engage, call the police and let them handle it. George decided he wasn't going to let the blankety blank blank get away. It wasn't his job,it was the polices. He had been told that at least twice. I'm not defending Zimmerman but race did play a part. I believe if Trayvon was white he would still be alive. Stand your ground law can be a good law if its not abused. All morality is gone. This new generation,most of them come from single parent homes and have no conscious and take no responsibilty for what they do. A lot of them are raised on Ridlin and cant distinguish the real world from their violent video games. Thirty years ago I stayed downtown at night, a lot of live music and most of the time I was playing in a band. I wouldn't go there at night now unless I was heavily armed. I'd make the perfect target, a disabled old man who can barely walk, sometimes I have to use a cane. That's why I carry everywhere I go and the Stand Your Ground law would benefit me if I were threatened. I would never start a fight but I should have the right to defend myself. Like they say I'm to old to fight and to slow to run. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 07/12/13 at 23:36:57 12363B313638372B2D363B3A2D5F0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/13/13 at 04:05:38 Many Zimmerman supporters are trying to make this a race issue... It is not.. It is a gun rights issue... If that's the case Sew, then why are you always talking about walking while black and your other references to Martin's race? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 05:14:40 the media made it a race issue. ive been arguing on points, not race, this is a lynching now, due to pressure to convict from outside the courthouse |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by oldNslow on 07/13/13 at 05:15:09 Quote:
No, it's not. The real legal issue has nothing to do with either gun rights OR race. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 05:26:37 i think you otta just go ahead & say what it is, then, cuz, im stuck unless its self defense? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Ed L. on 07/13/13 at 07:00:36 I just don't get this, there are a whole bunch of protesters outside the court house in Sanford. What are they protesting??? the jury is still out and can't see the signs or hear the protesters. WTF are they doing except acting like a bunch of uneducated trouble makers. Oh wait a minute, that's a racist comment isn't it. How can the truth be consitered racist when it is the truth?? It was self defense, nothing else except one person defending himself from bodily injury when his head was being slammed against a concrete sidewalk by an attacker. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by oldNslow on 07/13/13 at 07:04:13 0B141215080F3E0E3E06141853610 wrote:
That's exactly what it is . Was Zimmerman in danger of death or serious bodily harm and was his response justified? Yes or no? Look - a guy is dead, another guy is likely to spend the better part of the rest of his life in jail,and the legal system, the same system that is supposed to protect you, me, or anyone else, if we are accused of something we are innocent of, and punish us if we are guilty, has been made a mockery of. Most of the media, almost all of the so-called "experts" and unfortunately a lot of the posters here, have decided that this case is not about the right to self-defense, which it is, but that it's just another stone to use on whatever particular axe they have to grind. No matter how the jury decides; the television, radio, and internet circle jerk surrounding this case is going to go on forever - they are still talking about OJ Simpson fer cryin' out loud - and when the next case comes along, that can be perverted into something that it is not, just for the sake of inflaming entrenched prejudices and political agendas, the same crap will start all over again and we will all be the worse for it. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by raydawg on 07/13/13 at 08:58:40 I've seen people who navigate through life perplexed and wanting....they seem to never find any lasting peace or serenity. Reading this thread reminds me further of those who I have come to observe......do they drink the poison hoping the other person will die? I wish I could say or do something that would open their eyes and ears......I can't. Its up to each of us to choose. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 09:35:53 i know you wont like this, but, factodamattah izzzz,, i can piss you off & you can start whoopin my tushy & if i decide i cant reasonably defend myself from your right & righteous ass whoopin, i can defend myself with a gun IF,, IF,, IF,, IF,, IF,, i am afraid you are gonna knock my dumb ass out & keep pounding,, |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 07/13/13 at 10:58:07 407E7F73617D7C120 wrote:
This past year or so,.. has seen a rash of mass shootings by crazies, and a lot of discussion about gun laws... Much more than usual... Dem's have been pushing for better background checks, especially at gun shows... Rep's at the state level have come up with the "Stand your ground" laws, and enacted the all over the place... Meanwhile all the attention has made for booming gun sales, and ammo shortages.... This incident made national news amidst this frenzy,.. and the issue was does "Stand your ground" hold up as a defense, if you are in pursuit at the time, rather than retreat, or standing your ground... Gun rights people are trying to paint the picture, beginning at Travon's first physical contact,... and saying Zimm acted in self defense... Myself, and others, see the event as beginning when Zimm spots Travon,... from there, Zimm was the aggressor... -he got out of his truck in the rain (this would look suspicious and aggressive to Travon)...(a guy is coming at him from a vehicle pulled over in the street, not parked at a house, and in the rain)... - Zimm ignored the 911 advice... - Zimm hung up with 911... Then info is vague... but the two became close enough for physical contact... Witnesses only saw what they saw after they heard screaming or gun shots... before that, there is only Zimms word... SO, the national question is... can you have a "Stand your ground" defense, if you were not standing, but actively seeking the confrontation?... The fact that Zimm was loosing the confrontation is secondary... Zimms behavior, from a reasonable point of view, was more suspicious and aggressive that Travon's... he left his car, in low light of dusk, to pursue someone, in the rain... if I were Travon, I'd have been scared and on defense, just like him,... and just like his girlfriend said he told her... Travon was standing his ground... Zimm was rushing toward him... (and he was rushing... you can hear him panting on the 911 tape,.. the 911 person commented on it... Why, at this point, did Zimm hang up?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 11:51:29 +1000 If Zimmerman walks we have the blueprint for legalized murder. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/13/13 at 12:06:00 It already is - that stand your ground crap - Florida's "stand your ground'' law has allowed drug dealers to avoid murder charges and gang members to walk free. It has stymied prosecutors and confused judges. • It has also served its intended purpose, exonerating dozens of people who were deemed to be legitimately acting in self-defense. Among them: a woman who was choked and beaten by an irate tenant and a man who was threatened in his driveway by a felon. Seven years since it was passed, Florida's "stand your ground" law is being invoked with unexpected frequency, in ways no one imagined, to free killers and violent attackers whose self-defense claims seem questionable at best. http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/florida-stand-your-ground-law-yields-some-shocking-outcomes-depending-on/1233133 Oooo dont forget this beauty - COLUMBIA, S.C. - The George Zimmerman case brought the "Stand Your Ground" defense to the forefront. It gives you the right to use deadly force to protect your home, your car, yourself and others on your property. But now, one murder case is on hold while the South Carolina Supreme Court makes big decisions about the law. In a Columbia murder case, a man accused of breaking into a home and killing the man who lived there is trying to use the "Stand Your Ground" defense. The attorney for Gregg Isaac says Isaac was defending himself because the man whose home he broke into was about to pull a gun. The judge would not hold a hearing on the use of that defense, so the state Supreme Court will hear arguments on when during a trial a judge has to hold a hearing on the use of the "Stand Your Ground" defense. http://www.wsav.com/story/22829330/photo-cutline-gregg-isaac-is-charged-with-murder-during-a-home-invasion-but-wants-to-use-the-stand-your-ground-law Yup, you need to stand your ground in every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse regardless of whether you are breaking in or not. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 12:29:59 I just don't want every neighborhood patrolled by swaggering gun thugs with god complexes, which is exactly what we'll get if that plug-ugly walks. It will be open season on anybody the gunners don't like. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/13/13 at 12:55:26 - Zimm ignored the 911 advice.. Facts matter and this is not true. It is a lie that has been retold so many times, it's taken as truth. He was on the phone when he was told we don't need you to do that. Go back and read or listen to the transcripts and tell me how you can allude (and that's what you're doing) that he ignored the advice? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/13/13 at 12:58:40 +1000 If Zimmerman walks we have the blueprint for legalized murder. That's the kind of stupid comment that will incite riots. You, like the two Rev's should think before you talk. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 13:31:40 Only in Amerika can a black kid go on trial for his own murder. If there had been two teenagers, Zimmerman would have stayed in his car. (More than two, and he would have sh!t his pants.) But because he believed Trayvon was afraid of him, George got out and followed. He caught up to Trayvon, and began to bark orders in his best John Wayne imitation. With gun in hand, he believed "the suspect" would be safe to push around. Trayvon realized that this was no police officer -- it was an aggressive, unhinged, punk not a very nice person with a gun. And Trayvon was exactly right. So he fought back, quite literally fighting for his life. Zimmerman was soon lying flat on his back. Since his MMA moves weren't working, he shot the kid through the heart. I am hoping for a guilty verdict simply because it is the only justice Trayvon or his family can hope for now, I also hope Z ends up in prison for the simple reason that if he does not, he will be lionized and enriched by right-wingers, the same way G. Gordon Liddy, Oliver North, Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin, and other truly awful people have been simply for being so very, very awful. I don't think I could stomach seeing him asked his opinion on the major issues of the day, starring in NRA ads, giving keynote speeches at RW forums, hired by FOX news, or otherwise being made much of by those reactionary fools. It is already pretty bad ($30,000/month pouring into his defense fund). The worship and enrichment of Z is beyond reason. *In expectation of the nutter deluge coming shortly, I'll say in advance, I will not budge on this position, so save your energy please. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/13/13 at 13:55:59 But because he believed Trayvon was afraid of him, George got out and followed. He caught up to Trayvon, and began to bark orders in his best John Wayne imitation. With gun in hand, he believed "the suspect" would be safe to push around. Trayvon realized that this was no police officer -- it was an aggressive, unhinged, punk not a very nice person with a gun. And Trayvon was exactly right. So he fought back, quite literally fighting for his life. Zimmerman was soon lying flat on his back. Since his MMA moves weren't working, he shot the kid through the heart. That's amazing! I mean with the ability to transport yourself through space and time back to an event and not only watch it, but to actually know the inner thoughts of the participants with certainty! Amazing! |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 07/13/13 at 14:44:30 003235242332251A36253C570 wrote:
...he was told "we don't need you to do that". .. and did he follow that advice?... No,.. he ignored it... You'll notice I said advice,.. not order or command... They can't prevent him from doing anything, only advise against it... he ignored it, and played John Wayne... Do you interpret "we don't need you to do that", as saying do that?... :-?... If you tell your child that's running a bit wild in the store, "we don't need you to do that",... are you telling them to run wild some more?.. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/13/13 at 15:09:54 From what I watched of the trial, the prosecution, defense and the judge were a joke. The police force mishandled all the evedince. If he would get a guilty verdict it will be automatic appeal. The crazy thing about Florida is manslaughter is up to 30 years and 2nd degree murder is 30 years. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 15:16:14 What drew attention to the murder of Travon was that the man who killed him was not arrested, but rather treated as a sort of junior colleague by a local police department with a record of civil rights violations |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 15:38:22 amazing, people not there so able to "know".. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 15:40:46 7D6264637E7948784870626E25170 wrote:
& thatsa fact, no matter how stupid I was to get there. Apparently, EMT's ( BTW, did the prosecution or defense CALL the attending emts to the stand to SWEAR what injuries there were?) noted injuries that substantiated Zims claims,, |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 16:13:31 "amazing, people not there so able to "know".. Umm, does that also go for unsubstantiated conspiracy theories? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/13/13 at 16:18:44 042336253B3E31233225570 wrote:
Man you've now stepped in it ... JOG is going now say both your legs need to be in a fire. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 16:34:08 56716477696C63716077050 wrote:
Big difference between accepting a story that is beyond the laws of physics. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/13/13 at 16:37:22 17302536282D22302136440 wrote:
+1 If the police had their way he never would have been arrested. It looks like they mishandled the evidence on purpose. Concealed carry and stand your ground laws can be good for an old disabled geezer like me but Zimmerman abused them. You cant start an altercation with a kid coming home from a convenience store and kill him. Stand your ground and concealed carry are for the person being attacked, not the instigator. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 16:44:52 What is required to instigate a fight? Ive walked away from fights I figured I coulda won. Ive even been in one fgight & had 2 chances to guy punch this big , slow, fat guy, but I couldnt do it, I didnt wanna hurt him.. I didnt ever find out why he chased me down ( i was on my bicycle), but I knew he worked where I took breaks at work,, I suspect the ladies there who I made laff, well,, he was angry that I made them like me more than him,, I Shoulda dropped hizzass,, but,, all I really was worried about was him landing a big shot, I saw cops comeing, so, I didnt nail him,, I coulda droped him & got on my bike & left before they hit the parking lot, but, I didnt, Zim was, best I can tell, on his back, losing a fight,, he HAS, at that point, the RIGHT to defend himself,.even if he was a dumbass in getting there,the price for being a dumbass isnt life threatening or changing or ending injury,, the price for putting someone in that popsition, ? It can be death,, legaly,,come to grips with reality, |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/13/13 at 17:01:01 ...he was told "we don't need you to do that". .. and did he follow that advice?... No,.. he ignored it... How do you figure that ? Did you read the transcript or read up on this at all or are you just asking assumptions? He stopped and was heading back to meet the police, which asked to confirm they were coming. The dispatcher asked if he wanted an officer sent out and he said yes. Read that again, he said yes, send an officer. He said this yet you and star says he was out to kill. Really?! Out to kill and he ask cops to come! You need to read up stuff. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/13/13 at 17:01:54 Z ignored the Neighborhood Watch rule #1 and he ignored the dispatcher. Coming after some kid with a gun is being the instigator. If the kid jumps you he has every right to defend himself from a racist John Wayne. Z had no legal right to detain Trayvon. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 17:06:13 +1000 What exactly is happening here is this. People are taking the murderer at his word and blaming the murder on the victim. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 07/13/13 at 17:07:59 So now,.. anybody that finds themselves losing a fight, whether they started it or not, has the right to kill the other guy because he's winning?... A bloody nose and scratched head, are not life threatening injuries... Zimm was not even hospitalized, or even taken to hospital... He wasn't even taken by the ambulance... they just looked him over, and determined the injuries didn't require treatment... This is band-aid and ice pack stuff... Hardly a life in danger... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 17:16:44 Poor Zimmy, a bloody nose and a bump on his head. I will say this again. I think Zimmerman's nose injury was from his pistols recoil or kickback. Those tiny injuries on the back of his head were mostly just smudges of blood, his nose? Those little cuts on the tip of his nose and the one far up near his eye on the bridge of his nose tell me that wasn't a fist that hit him but something far more solid with hard edges - like a gun. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 17:24:42 If youre down & losing & youve no reason to believe someone is gonna stop this guy AND YOU ARE AFRAID he wont stop,, You are in danger,, ask a lawyer,, Not Jerry,, he doesnt seem that well informed, call someone in your town, |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 17:37:22 "If youre down & losing & youve no reason to believe someone is gonna stop this guy AND YOU ARE AFRAID he wont stop,, You are in danger",, Let's put a tiny twist on this. If you are being stalked on a dark and rainy night. you've no reason to believe someone is gonna stop this guy AND YOU ARE AFRAID he wont stop,, You are in danger.. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 17:46:46 YOIURE afraid, so you turn, cnfront & fight? NO,, Ive been afraid before,, I RUN,, |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 17:47:41 Kruidbos retrieved photos and deleted text messages from Martin's cellphone and testified during a hearing June 6. Zimmerman's attorneys were seeking sanctions against the state for not properly turning over the evidence from Martin's phone. http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/former-it-director-ben-kruidbos-fired-state-attorn/nYpx9/ Yea, this trial is all on the up & up.. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 17:55:35 http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/10/experts-george-zimmerman-just-caught-a-big-break.html?obref=obinsite |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/13/13 at 18:15:51 If Z had all the wounds he claimed he should have been taken straight to the emergency room and at least checked for a concussion. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Serowbot on 07/13/13 at 18:16:03 66797F7865625363536B79753E0C0 wrote:
So,.. Zimm wasn't afraid, he had a gun, so he ran towards Travon... he only got afraid once his butt was whopped... Travon was running away... Zimm said, "he's running"... to 911... Travon was afraid... Quote:
Where was Travon running?... "Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]"... Towards the "other entrance", also known as an exit, if you are passing through... He was running home... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 18:28:33 "Kruidbos retrieved photos and deleted text messages from Martin's cellphone and testified during a hearing June 6. Zimmerman's attorneys were seeking sanctions against the state for not properly turning over the evidence from Martin's phone". Zimmerman is the one with a police record not this kid. The person on trial should not be judged on past actions that have nothing to do with a current case. That's why such information is barred. And trying the victim is reprehensible. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 18:34:35 It's the same crap they pull in rape victims. Poison the jury by making the victim look bad even if it is not relevant to the case. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/13/13 at 19:08:08 Not guilty, lets all stay calm. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 19:35:52 Well I'm not surprised really, What a joke. So, in just a few years Florida has had two high profile murders, Casey Anthony, and George Zimmerman, and found them both not guilty. Another reason I won't be visiting Florida, I want justice if I get murdered. Civil suit coming...Federal investigation coming...The feds can step in on a "denial of constitutional rights" basis like they did with the KKK. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/13/13 at 19:43:05 I'm not surprised either but I deal in facts. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 20:30:48 ...well here's a fact. Black teenagers armed with the sidewalk they're walking on are now fair game. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/13/13 at 20:40:45 I think if the prosecution had went for manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder they would have stood a better chance of winning. Its stupid, the penalty is the same. Z didn't go out hunting Trayvon and that's what 2nd degree murder implies. Now the anti gun people will come out in droves and try to punish the innocent like me. Right now I'm glad I don't live in that town. I'm sure Jesse and Al are on their way down there. I never heard of the New Black Panthers until this happened but It sounds like another hate group. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/13/13 at 21:01:44 Mother Tracy Martin's Twitter post: "Even though I am broken hearted my faith is unshattered I WILL ALWAYS LOVE MY BABY TRAY". Fathers post: "For Trayvon to rest in peace, we must all be peaceful." ...I admire the Martin family's strength and dignity. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 21:40:54 446376657B7E71637265170 wrote:
ohhh,, geeze,, you watch soaps? Such a drama queen, |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WD on 07/13/13 at 22:23:00 76514457494C43514057250 wrote:
They always have been, in cities all over the country. Mostly from members of their own communities. Hate it all you want, just a simple fact of urban life. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/14/13 at 05:21:51 ohhh,, geeze,, you watch soaps? Such a drama queen, Good one, no kidding, drama queen is right. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/13 at 09:25:03 im just glad the jury didnt bow to threats of unrest & that they showed that we have a right to protect ourselves, even if we get in trouble by being a moron. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Dane Allen on 07/14/13 at 09:48:47 013334252233241B37243D560 wrote:
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/13 at 10:40:00 having posted a position that explains that one has a right to defend even if he found himself in danger by being stupid seems to have been understood by the jury, if not by most here, i feel somewhat vindicated. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by oldNslow on 07/14/13 at 10:55:21 67424D46624F4F464D230 wrote:
+1[/quote] IMO the jury got it right. But I wouldn't be honest if I didn't admit that I'm actually a bit suprised. When manslaughter got put on the table I was concerned that they would go for a compromise verdict even though the evidence didn't really point that way. I'm glad I was wrong. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/13 at 11:06:36 Im actually somewhat surprised that they didnt yield to social pressure & deliver Zim up for some punishment, just the last 2 minutes is all i ask of you,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PIdwu3gHXy4 wanna paint zim as a racist? youll do it basedon lies. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/13 at 13:48:24 Seems we have a good replacement,, That football player,, he Looks like a white hispanic And,, it sure is adding up to him killin a black guy,, can we expect a media push to convict? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/14/13 at 14:06:00 He'll pay for the rest of his life. He'll always have to be looking over his shoulder. Maybe that's a better sentence than prison. As far as being a racist, maybe he's like me. I have black people I love and I know pregidous black people I don't like. The Martin family's lawyer is talking about a civil suit so the court drama may not be over. I carry and if I killed someone in self defense I would probably never sleep well the rest of my life. Carrying is a huge responsibility. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/13 at 14:15:51 So, you wanted him in jail? i dont remember whites w/ signs threatening violence when oj walked |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/14/13 at 15:14:38 I didn't watch the whole trial but I know he disobeyed police instructions and made racist comments and I watched all of your video. He had no business getting out of his truck and if it were you or me instead of Trayvon we would still be alive. What part of the trial I watched was somewhat ridiculous. I don't want anyone to go to jail but an innocent kid is dead. Maybe the jury is right, either way I have to accept their verdict and hope there is no violence. I think Z has a conscious because of his non reaction in the courtroom when the judge announced the verdict. I know Obama will get fired up again about the 2nd amendment and Z just added fuel to the fire. I'm praying for both families and that's about all I can do. Star is just a messenger and the comments about him were unnecessary. We need to be more civil. Jog you know I've backed you up many times when people on this forum made fun of you. Attacking each other shows immaturity. Everyone is entitled to their opinion right or wrong. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/13 at 15:44:20 He made racist comments? I think you got taken in by the medias edited 9/11 call,, he also is a mentor of young blacks, he also went to bat for a black man who was beaten by cops, he has been smeared & used, the jury saw thru it, in SPITE of the threats of social unrest, they decalred him innocent, they had ALL the evidence we havent had, the state even went so far as to wipe TRays phone of incriminating evidence, NOTE, People are Now Fired from the DA's office for telling that.. You gotta start seeing things for the manipulations on our hearts & minds that they are., |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/14/13 at 15:54:25 Jog that's your opinion. Sounds like you know more about the case than I do and I respect your opinion. Like I said before I hate it happened and I'm praying for both families. Some vigilante fool will probably try to take Z out. I would hate to be in his shoes right now. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/13 at 16:09:51 Whats my opinion? That the media edited out a question just before he said "Hes Black"? The dispatcher asked if he could make any identity, he said , IIRC, "It looks like hes black", media reported the call, edited the question, made it sound like he just said the guy was black,, thats not opinion, thats indisputable, proven & admitted fact. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/15/13 at 05:10:14 Last night’s not-guilty verdict in the George Zimmerman trial will enable the neighborhood-watch volunteer to resume his case against NBC News for the mis-editing of his widely distributed call to police. Back in December, Zimmerman sued NBC Universal Media for defamation over the botched editing, which depicted him as a hardened racial profiler. George Zimmerman (R) talks to defense counsel Don West during his trial on Saturday. (EPA/JOE BURBANK / POOL) Here’s how NBC News, in a March 27, 2012, broadcast of the “Today” show, abridged the tape of Zimmerman’s comments to a police dispatcher on the evening of Feb. 26, 2012: Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black. The full tape went like this: Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black. I hope Zimmerman sues NBC out of existence...... |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/15/13 at 07:45:34 i dont just form opinions, i pay attention, then think. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/15/13 at 09:25:50 I think Z should get on with the rest of his life and not worry about NBC. It looks like the Martin family is going to bring a civil suit against him so its not over yet. Z trying to make money off of NBC would look bad and that's the last thing he needs right now. Killing a child is bad enough, whether the child is innocent or not, the last thing you wanna do is try to make money off of it. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/15/13 at 09:53:09 And it all goes to show if the criminal gets to go home and clean up and take it easy for 45 days before being arrested, all the evidence is washed away. Have we learnt nothing from CSI ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/15/13 at 10:03:50 But the martins can file suit and pocket cash? That makes no sense. Sri, no evidence was "washed" away. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/15/13 at 10:26:21 It was raining, Trayvons hands should have been bagged to check for Z's DNA but I think the police dept didn't want to arrest him or charge him with anything. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Midnightrider on 07/15/13 at 10:30:50 6C5E59484F5E49765A49503B0 wrote:
It may not make sense in this case but look at OJ's case. That's the only punishment he got. The Matins lawyer has been with them the whole time, but he acts like he doesn't have sense enough to get out of the rain. I wish everyone would just let it go and get on with their lives. Trying to make money off of a dead son is simply wrong. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by LostArtist on 07/15/13 at 11:02:23 47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 wrote:
yeah, that thinking thing, that's your opinion working there. The intention behind the editing is unknown, the results of the editing are it works against Zimmerman. The intention may vary from simple time savings (in broadcasting every second really does count), to "this tells a better story" to, "this makes better drama for tv" to "my boss told me to" to a differing of priorities about word usage. if you want to base your opinion off the result, then just remember that voter ID laws have the result of working against minorities, does that make those laws racist? based on the result you'd have to say yes, even thought their intent may not be racist, their result is. with the editing, the intentions may not be defamatory, but their result kinda is. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/15/13 at 12:37:25 497B7C6D6A7B6C537F6C751E0 wrote:
Yup yup ... right ... he did not shower for 45 days ... 1B3824231625233E2423570 wrote:
yeah, that thinking thing, that's your opinion working there. The intention behind the editing is unknown, the results of the editing are it works against Zimmerman. The intention may vary from simple time savings (in broadcasting every second really does count), to "this tells a better story" to, "this makes better drama for tv" to "my boss told me to" to a differing of priorities about word usage. if you want to base your opinion off the result, then just remember that voter ID laws have the result of working against minorities, does that make those laws racist? based on the result you'd have to say yes, even thought their intent may not be racist, their result is. with the editing, the intentions may not be defamatory, but their result kinda is. [/quote] Y'know about thinking ... 5% of people think, 10% of people think they think, and the other 85% would rather die than think. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/15/13 at 13:16:33 The shooting of Trayvon Martin, it turns out, was that most perfect of crimes. The jury was packed with sure-fire Zimmerman supporters. The "fix" was in. George Zimmerman Juror B37 Hates the Media, and called Trayvon ‘A Boy of Color’, Oh, and she is already writing a book...Quote: "When he was finally charged, I predicted that any group of jurors from central Florida would let Zimmerman off." The police corruption / ineptitude tied the prosecutors hands. this entire case stinks to high heaven. In Florida, it appears that it is legal for any person to shoot another so long as the claim that they felt threatened. That law is rotten to the core. Florida gun shows aren't filled with Confederate flags because they're red, white, and blue. The heart of racism lives there. Today, Trayvon was buried from the bullet he caught They lowered him down in the rain But when the shadowy sun sets on the one That fired the gun He'll see by his grave On the stone that remains Carved next to his name His epitaph plain: Only a pawn in their game. ~ Bob Dylan |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/15/13 at 14:38:09 Oh shut up crybaby..... You cherry picked evidence, told lies about the facts of the case and act shocked when clearer thinking people other than yourself saw the reality of the situation and not the racism you see in everyone but yourself. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/15/13 at 14:53:48 ...yawn, more name calling...it's getting old, but still amuses. ;D |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/15/13 at 16:01:15 54776B6C596A6C716B6C180 wrote:
yeah, that thinking thing, that's your opinion working there. The intention behind the editing is unknown, the results of the editing are it works against Zimmerman. The intention may vary from simple time savings (in broadcasting every second really does count), to "this tells a better story" to, "this makes better drama for tv" to "my boss told me to" to a differing of priorities about word usage. if you want to base your opinion off the result, then just remember that voter ID laws have the result of working against minorities, does that make those laws racist? based on the result you'd have to say yes, even thought their intent may not be racist, their result is. with the editing, the intentions may not be defamatory, but their result kinda is. [/quote] The intention behind the editing is unknown REALLY? You cant BE that naive! They offered that UP as The Entire call. They didnt say they cut out the question,, Geeze,, what little credibility youve had with me is GONE.,. thats unbelievable,, thats beyond begging to be lied to. I stopped reading RIGHT there,, because if youre willing to accept that, youre willing to accept turds for steak & call it good, |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by WebsterMark on 07/15/13 at 16:12:14 We agree on that point Star, you are a joke. Seriously, let it go. It's over and never shouldn't have started to begin with. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by LostArtist on 07/15/13 at 16:35:22 415E585F42457444744C5E52192B0 wrote:
yeah, that thinking thing, that's your opinion working there. The intention behind the editing is unknown, the results of the editing are it works against Zimmerman. The intention may vary from simple time savings (in broadcasting every second really does count), to "this tells a better story" to, "this makes better drama for tv" to "my boss told me to" to a differing of priorities about word usage. if you want to base your opinion off the result, then just remember that voter ID laws have the result of working against minorities, does that make those laws racist? based on the result you'd have to say yes, even thought their intent may not be racist, their result is. with the editing, the intentions may not be defamatory, but their result kinda is. [/quote] The intention behind the editing is unknown REALLY? You cant BE that naive! They offered that UP as The Entire call. They didnt say they cut out the question,, Geeze,, what little credibility youve had with me is GONE.,. thats unbelievable,, thats beyond begging to be lied to. I stopped reading RIGHT there,, because if youre willing to accept that, youre willing to accept turds for steak & call it good, [/quote] yay the man who's never worked in MEDIA doesn't believe me anymore. wow, I'm heartbroken. you are assuming intention, bottom line, you can't admit that to yourself, that's your problem. the intent was probably to create more drama (which by the way, is not an intent to defame), but could have also been simply a matter of time and it could have been an intent to defame and alter the perceptions for nefarious reasons. but there is reasonable doubt on what the intent was, and YOU WEREN"T ANYWHERE close to the editing room or that culture, for you to assume intent is a very bold move, maybe you can replace God sometime he's on vacation. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/15/13 at 17:14:50 IF, IF, IF it wasnt their intention, it would have required a fool to not see what it would do. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by LostArtist on 07/15/13 at 17:31:52 081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620 wrote:
now that I can agree witih |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/16/13 at 01:04:05 considering the obviousness of the result, I believe its reasonable to believe they did it on purpose, & to accomplish what they did, create racial tension & paint Zim as a racist, can I prove it? No,, I couldnt prove the idiot throwin lit matches in the vacant house wanted to burn it down, either,, |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by LostArtist on 07/16/13 at 11:51:52 697670776A6D5C6C5C64767A31030 wrote:
yes, the more drama the better for ratings the more money they make, if they wouldn't have made this racism trumped up then this trial wouldn't have been a national news story and they wouldn't have been able to milk it for ratings |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/16/13 at 19:53:11 2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:
Zimmerman being the amnesty illegal alien ... can I prove that he's holier than thou and considers himself "better than white" ... yes ... can I prove it ... no. Dude - much like I am very very very anti illegal alien and anchor baby alien and whatever else, this fool considers himself as "above all the native whites, but they can live", blacks ... hell no, not on my turf. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/16/13 at 22:07:38 Only racists can have the cheek to defend a racist murderer. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/16/13 at 22:24:41 Listen, Im not a racist. You cant prove Zim is a racist. I paid attention to as much of the facts of the events that nitre as I could, NOW, LISTENJ, Pay attention Last TIME IF,, did you see that 2 letter word? IF,, okay, use your brain now,, IF Zim made that guy mad & that guy jumped on him & was poundin his ASS, which evidence supported sufficiently for a JURY to accept a self defense position, IF he is on his back and IF he is afraid the guy is gonna seriously hurt or kill him THEN he has the RIGHT to defend himself Now, in spite of the unsubstantiated evidence he Is Not a racist youre determined he is. Based on what? Explain why he is a racist. Now, after being found Not Guilty why is he a murderer? |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by Starlifter on 07/16/13 at 23:08:34 You proved my position with one word...IF. |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/16/13 at 23:44:29 No, I used that word to make you think, well,, it was an attempt. Your mind was made up when you heard the tape He looks black then the shooter was a white hispanic Forensic evidence says he was on his back, tray was leaned forward, gunpowder residue on the shirt, but not the skin indicated a distance between shirt & flesh, indicating he was leaned forward, He was SITTING on the guy Beating his face, Now, stupid as Zim may have been to GET in that spot, th state was unable to demonstrate any racial motivation, GET OVER IT,, Youre dangerous. Ohh,, explain how the word IF helped prove your point, Ive typed PLenty, now you lay out YOUR reasoning |
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Title: Re: Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial? Post by srinath on 07/17/13 at 06:16:53 Racism takes all forms ... I am racist ... hardcore. However I am not racist toward any ethnic group. I am racist toward Illegals and their anchor babies. I also know how their thought process works. BTW I found South Florida as one of the most racist places in the freaking country. Its now whites or blacks being racist, its the cubans, the mexicans, the other hispanics, asians all hating each other and the loud a$$ music they play to combat each other etc etc ... Could be different now, that was in 1994. Cool. Srinath. |
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