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Title: This should end the debate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/20/13 at 15:33:05 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls&feature=player_embedded about 10 minutes & covers the bases well.. If you STILL believe tray is just some poor innocent kid gunned down by a "White Hispanic" racist after this, youre unwilling to accept truth. Yep,, this for you, S. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by Serowbot on 07/20/13 at 16:44:44 Nice,... character assassination of dead child... How 'bout Zimm's record of assaulting a police officer,... or restraining order from his ex-fiancee?... I guess those things don't matter... :-?... |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by raydawg on 07/20/13 at 16:44:52 Does it....? I think it will only fuel it. I won't debunk the charge/observation by the host, for I am not versed in all he reveals. What I can do is offer my own observation and summation, as to what I think transpired. As with any story as this, no one holds the ability to predict the "what if" because it can never be made fact. What I do believe is this "ending" was the result of undo pressure applied against our legal system for their own personal reasons/beliefs/promotions. I feel the proper charge should have been manslaughter. I say this under reasoning of this analogy: You have a good hard working person who agrees with some co-workers to stop off at the local beer bar to catch a few after work... He knows his limit, and he abides to it, and begs off after only drinking a beer or two. He drives home under the legal limit and is enjoying himself from having put in a good week at work, and socializing with his friends.... He decides he needs some tunes to help enhance his mellowness. He reaches down to his car radio, turning it on, trying to find the right station and tune..... He didn't see the kids dart out into the crosswalk as he glanced quickly down. The kids were killed..... Now, were the kids responsible in not looking out to make sure any traffic saw them, yes. Was the guy driving distracted momentarily by his own actions, yes. Did the consuming even a legal amount of alcohol contribute to this tragedy,I think so. Remove anyone of these "links in the chain" and it most likely would never had happen. Zimmerman by getting out and pursuing was the first link that set up the event to unfold the way it did. For that he shares responsibility in the outcome. Does Martin, absolutely, but he has already paid the ultimate price for his actions. This sad stuff happens day in and day out, every day.... It is the deal we make with the powers that be that grant us life, no one ever escapes it, death... of the flesh. What tainted this story was indeed people trying to use this sad story for their own person reason(s). Is it right to try a person before he has his day in court...is it? I think not, a "free press" is NOT carte blanc to print whatever you desire. How can anyone, white, black, gay, straight, etc, ever defend themselves against that sort of publicity without jeopardizing their legal case which is guaranteed to ALL in this nation? They undermine the very thing that separates our legal system from many others around the world....and that is innocent until PROVEN guilty.... I hold most of the media in contempt, the naming of the 777 pilots being a good example to their demise from the days of journalistic integrity trumping personal desires. I do find hope in the access of the INTERNET where instant and total recall hopefully won't let lies ans deceit find root. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by raydawg on 07/20/13 at 18:32:46 4553445941545942360 wrote:
Bot....does the character assignation of either party serve our system of justice? I think that was his point..... By the press altering the 911 call and publishing outdated pictures of Martin gives some credence to his claim of "lynching" Martin was NOT on trial and nothing of his past should be relative or material to this case. The speculation of his drug cooking and resulting personality has no legal theory grounds other than it was a "stand you ground" defense because the charge of murder was leveled when it should never have been. By that claim it let in this defense. With manslaughter, it would not have been allowable, or do I dare say, used. To further remark upon character assignation of a plaintiff (moving party) I can't imagine how many forcible rapes never see the courtroom, as the "victim" quickly has to defend their past behavior, etc. I remember distinctly how "funny" it was when someone in the Clinton defense/media spin team said you could drag a 20 dollar bill through a trailer court and Paula Jones would show up (or something to that effect). I was thankful she was not my daughter for I just might have shown them what I think was funny about castration..... So much of the political/media spectrum is destructive upon our system of democracy. Until people refuse to be useful fools, it won't change I'm sorry to say. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/20/13 at 18:52:29 3026312C34212C37430 wrote:
You know what it takes to get "assaulting a cop" ? Rolling up in a ball while they beat you.. youll need to do better,, need some details, restraining orders? Common,, abused regularly,, need details. take the facts apart. mentoring black kids, went to bat for the black guy the cop beat up,, 6 women saw the state had failed to make their case. Id bet there were more facts before them than we have. I accept the verdict. Anyone who doesnt is a conspiracy theorist.. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by Starlifter on 07/20/13 at 19:18:07 "By the press altering the 911 call". Yes they did do that. They removed the word 'coon' to tone it down for Zippy's benefit. It was on the original tape. But, that's all water over the dam now. Zippy beat the system, beat the rap, committed murder and walked. No reason for any of us to continue to beat a dead horse. Case closed. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by oldNslow on 07/20/13 at 19:43:04 Starlifter wrote: Quote:
Wishfull thinking. You been watching the news? There are a whole bunch of folks who aren't likely to ever let this case be closed if they can help it. Sharpton,Jackson, Martin's Parents, Chris Matthews, Nancy Grace,just about everyone at CNN, MSNBC, FOX, almost all the dumbass Hollywood nitwits, and let's not forget Holder and Obama.... And just to be clear, not a single one of the folks I mentioned actually give a rat's ass about Martin,Zimmerman, or justice, regardless of what you or I happen to think the outcome should have been. They will run with this as long as they can keep the country riled up because it's usefull to THEM to do that. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by Starlifter on 07/20/13 at 19:50:26 "keep the country riled up because it's usefull to THEM to do that". ...how is that usefull to 'them'? |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by oldNslow on 07/20/13 at 20:24:57 4A6D786B75707F6D7C6B190 wrote:
Fomenting racial animosity is Sharpton and Jackson's stock and trade. The media will keep this stirred up for ratings and advertising revenue. The Hollywood a**wipes will jump on any cause they can if it gets them attention. Keeping blacks pissed off at conservative whites - who they percieve as agreeing with the verdict and therefore racist, is politically usefull to Democrats- hence Holder and Obama etc. want the controversy to go on. Nancy Grace just needs another case to yap about for the next couple of years on her stupid TV show. Look, I'm not arguing with you about wishing the case would go away now that the trial is over. I'm just pretty sure that that's not likely to happen any time soon. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/20/13 at 21:54:37 the news station edited out the question about "can you see what race he is" then the answer, '''''''''''''" he looks bl;ack" became a racial thing |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by raydawg on 07/21/13 at 09:23:59 092E3B2836333C2E3F285A0 wrote:
Who deleted that? If that was part of the 911 tape it can NOT be altered, period. That is admissible evidence in court in trying to establish possible motivation. I never heard of such a claim. Can you elaborate more upon this? |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/21/13 at 09:28:06 what was in court was the full tape, im sure the news messed with it to make zim look racist |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by WebsterMark on 07/21/13 at 16:31:23 Nothing of the sort like that happened, nothing was deleted.no one removed coon, but they absolutely edited the tape before they broadcast it. Just like the lie that zimmerman pursued martin after he was told not to, there are people who's careers, whose livelihoods depend upon constant racial strife. They do not want an honest conversation about race, they want one that keeps the issue alive. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/21/13 at 16:34:14 yes, the news report deleted the question can you tell if he is black or white he answered he looks black so, the edited 911 call comes out with zim STATING he looks black not in answer to a question but to make him appear to be concerned because he looks black |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by WebsterMark on 07/22/13 at 04:48:27 The civil-rights leadership rallied to Trayvon's cause (and not to the cause of those hundreds of black kids slain in America's inner cities this very year) to keep alive a certain cultural "truth" that is the sole source of the leadership's dwindling power. Put bluntly, this leadership rather easily tolerates black kids killing other black kids. But it cannot abide a white person (and Mr. Zimmerman, with his Hispanic background, was pushed into a white identity by the media over his objections) getting away with killing a black person without undermining the leadership's very reason for being Bingo.... |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by WebsterMark on 07/22/13 at 04:57:07 One wants to scream at all those outraged at the Zimmerman verdict: Where is your outrage over the collapse of the black family? Today's civil-rights leaders swat at mosquitoes like Zimmerman when they have gorillas on their back. Seventy-three percent of all black children are born without fathers married to their mothers. And you want to bring the nation to a standstill over George Zimmerman? Bingo #2 |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by srinath on 07/22/13 at 07:21:15 White america complaining about Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson is futile ... you should have thought about it before you enslaved their ancestors ... Any case Zimmy is well schooled in the laws, zimmy gonna have injuries to prove that now ... and private big $$$ lawyers and being alive to tell "your story" always wins over being dead and care of the govt lawyer especially after the cops didn't collect no evidence and had treatment for zimmy before collection and to help it all, everything was washed away in the rain ... After the cops let him go, how bad would it look if he got convicted later ... so cops cleaned out the evidence. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by Dane Allen on 07/22/13 at 08:27:37 54554E4946534F270 wrote:
I believe it was the Muslims who enslaved them and then sold them to the Spaniards who brough them over here and sold some to the French and English colonists and keeping some for the Carribean. But why let facts get in the way of a good jab??? Carry-on... |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/22/13 at 08:40:42 Doesnt matter. How you gonna justify the instigators of racial unrest of today by going back to events none of us had any control over? Seriously? You can actually justify these race dividers of society by saying the whites shoulda thot of that 200 years ago? No wonder youre impossible to "debate", youre intellectually dishonest. You KNOW there is not one thing any of us had to do with slavery. They are working against peace. They work to divide society. They help KEEP what racial tension there is alive.. AAANNDD Its an Important JOB. W/O division in society, we become united. If America DID drop some of the division, we could easily take this country back. The New Black Panthers? Gotta be CIA backed, or theyd be in jail for their actions at the polls & after offering $10,000.00 for zims capture, dead or alive. Anyone who pulls a stunt like that would go to jail, unless theyre backed by some serious muscle., |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by srinath on 07/22/13 at 11:17:31 092C23280C212128234D0 wrote:
I believe it was the Muslims who enslaved them and then sold them to the Spaniards who brough them over here and sold some to the French and English colonists and keeping some for the Carribean. But why let facts get in the way of a good jab??? Carry-on...[/quote] The fact is without $$$ and at that time it was gold not US $, there was no way for the warlords to keep doing it, this has been discussed before ... The french and british cant do anything without slaves ... They should have said ... we dont care if its 12 blacks for 1 gold coin, we dont want it, we will work on our house ourselves, and we will not have black people in our country. That was carried over to the US's heritage ... Then the americans kicked the british out ... But kept their worst habit. Blaming the british and french settlers is all fine ... however these people are the same "founding fathers" of the country. You may have dropped in from a different country @ some later point ... much like me. However in your legacy and mine there is slavery where it pertains to my "american" life. That is just the way it is. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by srinath on 07/22/13 at 11:29:47 796660677A7D4C7C4C74666A21130 wrote:
The reason Sharpton and Jackson have any traction is because they are talking to the rest of their blacks like "Look what the white man has done to us, and in continuing to do to us" You dont understand it JOG and Dane, and I dont expect you to ... but India has been in the situation black america has been in. You have to make yourselves a concious effort to work past ... and every so often something will happen and remind us of it ... India does not have an anti british sentiment by and large ... because the british left - there were none left in India after 1947. However situations would suddenly come up, sometimes in sport, other wise in other political aspects that would suddenly bring up all the nationalistic fervor again ... You really need to think of this in terms of the black people ... that's all I would say, and I am not surprised you cant. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/22/13 at 17:05:06 & Therin lies the problem, the society I know doesnt have a thing against blacks. I know I dont. People are people. If I am supposed to NOT like someone because they are a different color, then do I Hafta Like everyone who is the same color? Cuz I dont,, there are blacks I like & blacks I dont,, same with whites & every other color. If someone can tell me they believe they can tell someone is not worth knowing because their great great great grandparents came from Africa, then Ive found exactly one idiot not worth knowing, Since the surgery Ive been hiring a guy to do the stuff Im sposed to be doin,, he is a black dude, rides a Harley, no cage, lives in a small trailer, single, about my age. He uses the N word.. & funny thing is, he uses it the same way I do. It applies to all races, its a type of person, not a race, Im sure there are some racists out there. I think maybe my neighbor may be one, Im not sure, but when I told her she could hire the guy Im using & save a ton fixin stuff up, she didnt seem too excited, O well,, her loss,, Heres the long & short of it,, There are people who make a living, somehow, Al Notso Sharpton ? REally? How does he keep beans on the table? What about Jessee Jackson? Do they unite America? Or do they keep what division there is well defined & tangible? I see them as bad for America. YMMV.. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by srinath on 07/23/13 at 07:23:12 Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are getting traction because there is a segment of the black population who do feel the way they do ... That's all I am saying, there is things that unite (like 9/11 - Sorry the govt produced version of 9/11 etc), and ones that disunite (like this or the OJ trial) happening all the way around ... they just echo 1 sentiment. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/13 at 09:35:58 24253E3936233F570 wrote:
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are getting traction because there is a segment of the black population who do feel the way they do ... & Im saying these guys make their Living keeping that sentiment alive. & America would be better off without them doing what they do. I believe the segment of the population who follows them would benefit to not focus on the divisions in society. I dont have their experiences, dont know who has done what to them, what theyve been hurt by or limited by. Maybe these feelings are 100% reasonable, I simply dont know, I just wish people would work at treating others reasonably & fairly & NOT racially making decisions about Who is worth knowing & who is trust worthy, etc.. There are small minds on both sides. We seriously need to grow up as a society. Zimmerman has exactly ZERO history of being racist, as you will soon see,, or, maybe its all just lies.. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by srinath on 07/23/13 at 10:20:15 382721263B3C0D3D0D35272B60520 wrote:
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are getting traction because there is a segment of the black population who do feel the way they do ... & Im saying these guys make their Living keeping that sentiment alive. & America would be better off without them doing what they do. I believe the segment of the population who follows them would benefit to not focus on the divisions in society. I dont have their experiences, dont know who has done what to them, what theyve been hurt by or limited by. Maybe these feelings are 100% reasonable, I simply dont know, I just wish people would work at treating others reasonably & fairly & NOT racially making decisions about Who is worth knowing & who is trust worthy, etc.. There are small minds on both sides. We seriously need to grow up as a society. Zimmerman has exactly ZERO history of being racist, as you will soon see,, or, maybe its all just lies.. [/quote] Yikes ... the same thing over and over and over again ... The "feeling" cant be kept alive out of nothing ... in a few generations it may die out ... if the incidents like this dont keep on happening. I am sorry, people who do discrimination never find the problem ... the example of getting hit by an suv when on your bike is apt here ... "I never saw or felt a thing officer". You may say he's not racist based on the evidence there still exists ... you dont know what was never collected, washed away and thrown away after being collected cos they let him go, and it had to be an acquittal else they look stupid. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: This should end the debate Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/13 at 10:44:22 How about ya have a look at that other post, answer those questions & see then. |
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