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Title: sidestand switch Post by Steddy58 on 09/12/13 at 14:23:56 Hey everyone,hope everything is cool,just a quick q - should my 1988 savage start with the sidestand down,(presuming its in neutral and the sidestand switch is in place and working).I would try it, but at the moment we're seperated by a few miles (and its 11 0'clock at night so I dont think the neighbours would be too happy either - miserable dicks :)), cheers Steve |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by WD on 09/12/13 at 15:04:09 Theoretically, yes, it should start. Do yourself a favor, cut the wires and twist the bike side of the harness together. The switches are flimsy, failure prone, miserable little bits of excess weight. Once the wiring is spliced, dismount and discard the switch. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Charon - FSO on 09/12/13 at 15:16:04 I disagree with WD. I do not think it is ever advisable to bypass or remove a safety. If it doesn't work correctly, repair it. I can understand a TEMPORARY bypass for troubleshooting, or perhaps for a return to somewhere where a proper repair can be made. Not to mention any possible legal liability which might befall me were I to advise removal of a safety and were you to get hurt as a result. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/12/13 at 15:30:48 Good Gawd! Look at whereweare. Grown man takes advice to REmove a Safety Interlock & THEN wants to spank whoever said he should? Give me strength, Lord.. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by oldNslow on 09/12/13 at 15:56:36 Anybody know when mfrs. decided to(or were forced to) install gadgets such as this. My S40 is the only motorcycle I've ever owned with such a thing on it. Mine still works, but if it ever gives me any trouble it's history. I'm too old to be skeered of the sidestand police. ;) |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Charon - FSO on 09/12/13 at 16:24:53 My '83 Suzuki Tempter had a clutch safety interlock - the starter would not work unless the clutch was pulled in. I do not remember any other safeties on it, unless you count the Neutral light. When Suzuki first introduced the Savage it had a clutch safety (I think) and a "Sidestand" light in the speedometer cluster (the blank space for which is still there). By the next year it had a sidestand interlock, though I do not know what other interlocks might have been there. My old Honda Helix scooter (about '85) had no sidestand interlock, but it had an interlock on the starter that required the rear brake to be applied. With no neutral on its automatic transmission that made sense. Current automatic scooters usually require either brake be applied and the sidestand to be up to start. While we may decry such safeties, and bewail the "nanny state" for forcing them upon us, we also have to remember that such safeties usually result from people getting hurt. If we, as operators, always followed the correct procedures such safeties would be unneeded. Too, if we as operators follow correct procedures the operation of the safeties is "transparent" in the sense that they will never bother us. The biggest gripe seems to be that the safeties may fail (not all that common despite forum complaints) and leave us stranded. Okay. I have had my say. You are free to believe whatever you like. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by oldNslow on 09/12/13 at 16:45:34 I'm not being a wise guy - I honestly don't know. ( And I'm not going to try it myself) but does riding off with the stand down and then making a left turn always/often/sometimes, result in a crash? Seems like the stand would just fold back up when it hit the ground. Or is the point just to keep you from starting the bike in gear, letting go of the clutch lever with the bike on the stand and having the bike lurch forward and tip over - More of a "Holy crap I'm a dumba**" issue than a safety one? |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by HAPPYDAN on 09/12/13 at 19:53:01 Maybe I'm dating myself, but when Kawasaki introduced the rocket sled 750 3-cylinder two-stroke (+/- 1970?), it developed a really bad reputation for the side stand deploying under HARD acceleration due to the incedible amount of vibration. As long as the rider caught it before turning left, all was OK. A good friend who rode (and loved) one, rigged a bungy cord fron stand to frame (I think) to prevent this. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Steve H on 09/12/13 at 20:09:38 My '87 with functional switch starts no problem with sidestand down in neutral. For the other question about wrecks...I think it would depend on how quickly you leaned. If slow enough, it would probably catch just enough to bounce the bike a little, scare the crap out of you, and probably be pushed up. A little quick on the lean and you're gonna get one heck of a bounce probably causing a wreck. I always liked the little rubber thingy on Honda kickstands that would flip it up without any great big bounce or anything. The rubber thingy hit the road before the stand did. Thought that was a great idea some engineer had. A safety thing that requires 0 user intervention or accomodation that works. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Gyrobob on 09/12/13 at 20:49:07 On the Double RYCA build, we jumped the sidestand switch and clutch switch wiring, then removed the switches. I wanted it to be like the first several bikes I owned,...Lambretta 150, Cushman, Ducati 250, Norton Atlas, Yamaha ym-1, Suz t-500, etc. see reply #156 here: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1304722902/156 |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/13/13 at 00:19:45 605E5F53415D5C320 wrote:
I cant say what %age would crash if they stubbed the stand in a turn, but its caused wrecks, Your curiosity could be satisfied if youreally want it,, P:Lease have someone video the experiment. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Gyrobob on 09/13/13 at 04:59:59 The first attempt at sidestand-crash-prevention, was a rubber "toe" that stuck down lower than the sidestand when the sidestand was down. It would flex upward a little when the sidestand was down and the bike was on the sidestand. If you were riding around with the sidestand down, the rubber foot would hit the pavement before the actual bottom of the sidestand, thereby moving the sidestand to the rear before the metal of the stand touched the ground and caused a problem. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Dave on 09/13/13 at 05:14:55 The side stand switch has nothing to do with the starter function. The side stand switch will shut off the ignition if the sidestand is down when you shift out of neutral and put the bike in gear. If the sidestand switch fails....the ignition goes away in any gear except neutral. I have been riding since 1968 or so, and the operation of a motorcycle clutch lever, sidestand, petcock, etc. is pretty well muscle memory for me. My Cafe' conversion does not have the sidestand or clutch safety interlock anymore....and we get along just fine. I can certainly see how these safety devices are a benefit for new riders....and can help them from making mistakes. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Gyrobob on 09/13/13 at 05:20:47 12292433222E353328202D32410 wrote:
Ditto. 1960, for me. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Boofer on 09/13/13 at 18:29:10 A guy who used to ride with my cousin tried a fast left hander with his stand down not far from his home on a Honda and had to under go leg and shoulder surgery--not to mention missing over a month of work. I am definitely not for a nanny state, but some things just make sense to me. :) |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/13/13 at 20:23:04 You mean like always putting the stand up? |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Gyrobob on 09/13/13 at 20:59:20 002D2D242730420 wrote:
A guy I used to work with had a V-max. He was in a left-hand turn too, and had to have shoulder surgery. He was given wrong directions for where to turn left, and he hit the curb. I don't like the nanny state either, but we really do have to get better directions for people. Expanding NHTSA to include,.. nay,.. REQUIRE approved directions for all trips, no matter how long or short, just makes sense to me. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/13/13 at 21:16:40 Heck, man, thats Easy! Just demand everyone have a GPS.. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Serowbot on 09/13/13 at 22:32:49 In all my years I've never ever left the sidestand down... I learned that from my first bicycle when I was 5... Do you mean to tell me there are people learning to ride motorcycles that can't ride a bicycle?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Gyrobob on 09/14/13 at 04:33:04 76696F6875724373437B69652E1C0 wrote:
Then people will be crashing into stationery objects while staring at or programming the GPS. Maybe we could have the GPS flash out a reminder to raise the sidestand everytime it powers up, eh? Another thought, let's just have the SCHLIB ban sidestands. Only centerstands would be allowed. Oh, wait,... |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by oldNslow on 09/14/13 at 06:38:49 Why not take it one step further. Every new motorcyls should come equiped with a government approved, trained and funded driver. Owner would only be allowed to ride as a passenger. That way no one could do anything stupid or unsafe. By my calculations it would only add a couple of hundred thousand dollars to the MSRP. But hey -"if it saves just one life...." |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Boogieman on 09/15/13 at 12:47:14 I've taken as much of that nonsense off my bike as possible. That side stand thingy was the first to go. No speedometer, no fuel gauge, no lights other than head light and brake, no rear fender made from a friggin' sherman tank, no front fender, no weird fairings, no special little brackets to hide your purse... its all crap. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/15/13 at 19:31:14 But I Rawther Lyke my purse brackets.. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Gyrobob on 09/16/13 at 05:37:12 382721263B3C0D3D0D35272B60520 wrote:
Steady on, there, JOG! Some things are better left unsaid. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Steddy58 on 09/16/13 at 06:17:07 Many thanks lads for the replies,although safety is important I know some people like to remove what they think is extraneous nonsense but as I've just gone and still going through a bad ankle smash-up ( not sidestand related - but still my "dumb-ass " fault ;D ) I think I'll still keep it anyway ( if it works ) but your bike is your bike you do to it what you want thats why its called possession -you own it, and nobody can tell you what you should do with it ( bloody government excepted ) cheers again for help and opinions ,Steph " In all my years I've never ever left the sidestand down... I learned that from my first bicycle when I was 5... Do you mean to tell me there are people learning to ride motorcycles that can't ride a bicycle?... Huh... " Serobot you had a sidestand on your pushbike man? There's posh innit :) |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by deejaysham on 09/16/13 at 14:50:52 I read this post and saw this video later the same night... seemed like they belong together: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtb1as36j2Q |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by oldNslow on 09/16/13 at 16:18:01 7574747B70686279707C110 wrote:
Heh ! I guess that answers my question about whether the stand would just fold up. That looks like a pretty new bike. Disabled switch? Or is that feature actually not mandatory from the mfr.? |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Steddy58 on 09/21/13 at 11:01:44 Hi,just a quick update on side-stand switch issue - to be honest the reason I asked the original question is the bike has to go for an MOT. I dont know how it works in the land of the free and the home of the brave (and long may it remain so) but in the UK if your bike is over three years old you have to take it to a certified ( by the gov. ) mechanics shop to have it checked for road worthiness etc and with most things if its on the bike it has to work indicators etc,if you dont have them its ok , Anyway if your bike fails this test its a pain cos its illegal to ride without an MOT so to cut a long story even longer,I've had a quickl look and the switch has been taken off by previous owner anyway so its ok to take it to the MOT centre, sorry for going on and on....and on ,cheers all Steph |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by WD on 09/21/13 at 20:13:25 MOT? Bleah... Foggy old (London), soggy old (rest of the island), NZ, Australia or Ireland? Just curious, since I have relatives in England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales... in order Rainer (Southampton) Ross (Highlands) Owens/McKeown/McGowan (County Sligo) and Owens/McKeown (no frigging clue how to spell or pronounce where they are from). |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Steddy58 on 09/22/13 at 13:54:29 Liverpool (gods own people), England for my sins, Southampton is on the south coast, I'm about 300 miles up and about 80 miles or so left,I know thats a drive to the mall and back in the USA :) but in the tiny islands of Britain theres probably 35 or 40 million people between here and there. As for place names in Wales I have family who live in Caergwrle which is pronounced Ki-girly - its all consonants and double l's most of the time, anyway WD sorry but dont really know too much about the places your family live,cheers mate,Steph |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Serowbot on 09/22/13 at 15:49:59 Hello Steddy,.. I'm originally from Warrington... just a bit east of you... Tucson, Az.,.. now... Welcome to SS.Com... ;)... |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Steddy58 on 09/23/13 at 05:28:38 Hey Serowbot,haven't been to Warrington for a while but I bet its a touch different from Tucson,Arizona - nice weather down them parts i'm betting,thanks for the welcome,cheers Steph |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by WD on 09/23/13 at 06:16:59 So you have to deal with Beatles fans like I have to suffer through Elvis fans. I live about 43 miles northeast of Graceland, which is just south of Memphis TN proper. I live about 35 Miles northeast of downtown Memphis. Far too close to the city for my tastes. |
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Title: Re: sidestand switch Post by Steddy58 on 09/23/13 at 11:02:28 Lol WD, usually its Japanese (or Chinese these days ) shoving a camera in your hand to take pictures with statues, street names (eg Penny Lane ) or red telephone boxes - ah well, they're probably spending some of the money I send in the opposite direction for bits and pieces for the bike :),cheers Steph |
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