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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Need your help again starting issue (SOLVED) /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1395762622 Message started by wickedbiker on 03/25/14 at 08:50:22 |
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Title: Need your help again starting issue (SOLVED) Post by wickedbiker on 03/25/14 at 08:50:22 Hi everybody I am the guy who bought the cheap savage that had a destroyed engine, bought another engine got it running then stripped out the fuel/air mix screw and drilled out the carburetor badly and now: I hooked up a stereo had everything working great ended up leaving it on and draining the battery so I hooked it up to the tail light wires so it could be turned off with the key ( I chose these wires because they had metal connectors with rubber slip covers so I was able to make the connection without cutting or splicing anything). Well ever since doing this I havent been able to start my bike. It acts like it wants to start but its not getting enough power to turn over more than maybe once or twice then just ticking. I bought a brand new no maintenance high performance battery put it in and same thing turns over barely maybe once or twice then ticking. I checked the wires to the solenoid and the starter they are tight, battery wires are always on tight and the battery is always fully charged by myself. I am, not sure what the F! is going on. Whatever it is it is making a fully charged battery act like it barely has a charge. I'm so pissed I have spent to me a lot of money $1,500 to get this thing going so I could just have some peace and a ride with 2 wheels and it has been a living hell and I am losing faith. Thanks :-/ |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by Oldfeller on 03/25/14 at 09:16:08 2E303A323C3D3B30323C2B590 wrote:
"Electrical frustration" is a common thing among bikers -- we have all had the electrical gremlins drive us nuts at one time or another. Start telling us the battery voltage after you charge it and what it drops down to when you do a single thing. Avoid doing a lot of things before reporting, or it become very difficult to figure out what did what. Do a thing, report. Do next thing, report. Right now make sure you have a good charger. You do that by reporting the voltage on the battery before you hook it up, the initial voltage increase while it is charging, the charging time and the residual battery voltage after you take the charger off and how quickly it drops down if it does drop down just sitting there. |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by Serowbot on 03/25/14 at 09:49:47 Make sure your new battery is fully charged, as OF said... Disconnect your stereo until you get your bike running properly... Once that is sorted out,... Connect it to a switched power source,... with an appropriate sized in-line fuse... What is the wattage draw of your stereo?... A Savage doesn't have lot of spare power for running accessories... The shorter your rides, the less power you have to spare... |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by Oldfeller on 03/25/14 at 10:22:10 Sero, check my memory -- folks who have taken full bore bike stereos off of Goldwings, big Harleys and BMWs have never gotten enough juice to run them for long. Folks who use I Pads and such mobile devices have had pretty good success, as I remember. A charger for a mobile device pulls piddly compared to the amp in a real bike stereo (or worse yet, a car stereo). It takes a lot of power to run speakers loud enough to be heard well over the wind noise. |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/25/14 at 10:30:28 The charge system isnt designed to have much left over. Yes, unhook whatever ya hooked up. Get it running,, Did ya see the Voltage "Gauge" Digger posted? 2 lousy LEDs & some minor circuitry & Violas,,you can see if your battery isnt doing well,, |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by wickedbiker on 03/25/14 at 10:45:53 Unfortunately my volt meter is busted and I have unhooked the stereo ever since the issue started to try to get it going. I had this stereo hooked up to a 1974 CB750 Honda chopper with no mods to the power system except an updated regulator rectifier. I trded in the old 2 peice regulator and rectifier for the one peice. I have a Motobatt big boy charger it does have the maintenance and all the wacko neat junk I got it on ebay. http://media.toolking.com/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/M/o/MotoBatt_MBCBB_MotoBatt_Big_Boy_Battery_Charger_and_Maintainer_12V.jpg The only other charger I have is a car charger that has a 12c volt 2amp option not sure if that will work and a trickle charger that is only meant to keep a full charged battery charged. Heres my luck I just cleaned the negative terminal on the engine and tightened it to much no it sheered off I had to move the ground to a new spot on the engine. I am about to just shoot myself. I swear there is some malevolent force keeping me from riding. I am praying to god it isnt the starter because I do not have another $200 to dump into this thing |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by shorty on 03/25/14 at 11:14:18 I bought a battery maintainer that looks a lot like yours and it doesn't bring the battery to full voltage, fails to start my savage too.. I had to use a REGULAR auto battery charger and set it to 2 amps |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by wickedbiker on 03/25/14 at 11:53:10 4E5C534E5253585A3D0 wrote:
Cool I'll give it a shot bro!! :-? UPDATE! You were right on the money that charger is nuts!! I used my car charger at 12 volts and 2 amps waited about 3-4 hours and the bike started right up my brother You are a life saver like everyone else who has helped me thus far. As soon as my wife gets home I'm goin riden. OH! YEA! I ordered another more simple charger off ebay and its in FL like me so it should be here soon. my wife and I have to have some good ole classic rock when we ride man so the stereo stays but its on the key so it shouldnt get left on again. I hope it won't cause me issues later with the charging system and if you think it will what can I do to have it work out? I'll post a picture of the 100watt pyle system I have below. BTW it rocks I'll make a video for you guys later http://www.amazon.com/PLMCA20-Motorcycle-Snowmobile-handle-bar-Weatherproof/dp/B002UL7YII http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/detail-page/PLMCA20_large.jpg |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by Oldfeller on 03/25/14 at 14:12:58 Harbor Freight will sell you a volt ohm meter for less than $10 (and they periodically give them away for free with a newspaper coupon). Without a volt ohm meter you aren't going to do much troubleshooting. |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/25/14 at 18:47:35 I WILL take the HF meter, BUT, I dont trust them a lot. Im on my 3rd one( But, I did give one away), I also have a Micronta from the 80's. Get a cheapo meter & TEST it on a known voltage if ya can. At least check the car battery & see how it reads,,youll know if its in the ball park or out in left field,, Hmm,, wait a MINNIT! Left field is IN the ball park, innitt? Im so confused! |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by Dave on 03/26/14 at 04:28:18 If you see an old school simple battery charger at a yard sale or flea market - you might want to buy it. A lot of the modern chargers and battery tenders that monitor the charge - won't work on a battery that has dropped below a certain voltage or is dead. For some reason whatever those chargers look at to see the state of charge believe a dead battery is charged.....and they won't charge it. The old school chargers just keep on charging as long as they are hooked up. The battery tenders are great for keeping a charge.....but useless in charging a battery that is run down or dead. |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by wickedbiker on 03/30/14 at 16:31:46 Well I'm back to square one I bought another charger and still having the issues. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/-VQAAOxyLN9SiiIt/$_1.JPG I bought a brand new volt meter and the batteries are fully charged at 13- 14 I really am at a loss........ :-? |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by old_rider on 03/30/14 at 18:46:48 Next then is to watch the voltage and how fast it drops "all by itself" with the "key off". Charge your battery and check it like every hour and see if it drains... or how far down it drains. Mine charges only up to about 12.80v, but rarely drops below 12.30, so my battery might be going. But if yours drops real fast, it could be a short somewhere draining the system. Then all you have to do is find that....by checking the connections you had to connect and the grounds that you had to take off and put back on...or it might be a wire is simply shorting out somewhere.... But first...find out how fast that voltage is dropping with the key off.... Got to add this.... do you have an added 3 or 4 post relay? for added wiring anywhere? I added one to my ninja and had to add a switch to it because it was draining my battery..... |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by Serowbot on 03/30/14 at 18:47:09 I don't think a Savage stator is gonna' handle 100watt stereo amp... I think you'll be doing a lot of battery charging... |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by wickedbiker on 03/31/14 at 06:16:32 OK with the battery in the bike voltage no key is 13. Something pretty much the same with the key on might 12- 13 push the starter the quickly goes to 9 then right to 5-6. |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by oldNslow on 03/31/14 at 06:34:26 Quote:
Try relocating the ground wire. Make sure where ever you put it is nice and clean - no paint etc. between the eyelet on the wire and whatever it's touching. Same for the bolt. Clean and shiny. Drop to 5-6V when the starter tries to is too much I think. You might have a bad battery. I'd try jumping from another battery - even a car battery as long as the car's not running - before I went any farther. |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/31/14 at 09:23:37 6D7379717F7E7873717F681A0 wrote:
Take the battery out & haul it to be tested. Dont waste any more time on a ground. If you can move enough electrons to suck the battery down that fast, the connections are okay. I think your battery is junk. |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue (SOLVED) Post by wickedbiker on 03/31/14 at 09:36:07 I have been thinking bad battery as well after seeing a few other threads with exactly the same issues. I have another battery I'm charging to try if that doesn't work I'll go to the local auto store and have em bench test it. UPDATE: (RESOLVED) Once again you all were right it was a bad factory brand new battery. I swear someone or something does not want me riding this bike. I went to Walmart and they confirmed it. Now I have 3 bad bike batteries and I need to wait either for a refund or a new battery to be mailed out.. I'll let you know when shes up and running again |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue (SOLVED) Post by wickedbiker on 04/02/14 at 06:30:04 Well everything is perfect now, I got a new battery and I'm up and running thanks to all of you and I also wanted to add For those of you who said the stereo probably wouldnt work on the bike. I had this system on an old 74 honda cb750 chopper with old ass components and it never had a problem with the battery. Also I took my volt meter and checked it with the stereo running as loud as it could full blast (Which is loud as hell by the way) and the volts never dropped between 350 and 360 I watched it for about 15 minutes and that was at idle so I'm sure with the engine reeving and riding it will be just fine ;) |
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Title: Re: Need your help again starting issue Post by wickedbiker on 04/04/14 at 06:53:11 3D2329212F2E2823212F384A0 wrote:
Cool I'll give it a shot bro!! :-? UPDATE! You were right on the money that charger is nuts!! I used my car charger at 12 volts and 2 amps waited about 3-4 hours and the bike started right up my brother You are a life saver like everyone else who has helped me thus far. As soon as my wife gets home I'm goin riden. OH! YEA! I ordered another more simple charger off ebay and its in FL like me so it should be here soon. my wife and I have to have some good ole classic rock when we ride man so the stereo stays but its on the key so it shouldnt get left on again. I hope it won't cause me issues later with the charging system and if you think it will what can I do to have it work out? I'll post a picture of the 100watt pyle system I have below. BTW it rocks I'll make a video for you guys later http://www.amazon.com/PLMCA20-Motorcycle-Snowmobile-handle-bar-Weatherproof/dp/B002UL7YII http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/detail-page/PLMCA20_large.jpg[/quote] I just wanted to let you guys know that I have been riding with my stereo and so far so good no battery problems at all and as I stated before it has been maintaining a 13.50-13.60 on a volt meter while running with the stereo on for quite a while. I don't know if it is this particular stereo or what but don't worry about it killing your batteries if you were ever thinking about getting tunes for your bike and they don't look bad either heres some picks. http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/t599/Adam_Dubuque/IMAG0124_zps862dd34d.jpg http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/t599/Adam_Dubuque/IMAG0123_zps7f4d8bca.jpg http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/t599/Adam_Dubuque/IMAG0125_zps6977edb6.jpg |
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