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Title: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by Serowbot on 06/13/14 at 09:17:15 I think we all saw this coming 12 years ago, when we first set out to remove Saddam from power... The fact is,.. such a fractured country requires an iron handed leader... Saddam,.. (not the nicest guy in the world)... did keep it in check... Baghdad was a beautiful city, with safe streets... women weren't required to wear coverings, and were allowed to drive, work, go to college, etc... It wasn't perfect... but, I think it was as good as it gets... Better than now... If we want to fix it,... we need to find a new Saddam... No solution is perfect... Maybe we should put WD in charge... ;)... ;D... |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/13/14 at 10:51:24 Sometimes people should leave well enough alone.. Remember, Saddam was our guy,, we put him in, It was only when he started talking about selling oil for Euros that he became a "brutal dictator",, & was smeared in the media in order to manufacture consent for war,, manufactured consent look it up |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by WebsterMark on 06/13/14 at 11:09:04 Aw.....I think that's a bit of revisionist history.... But no matter at this point. Hopey-change is gonna either partner up with Iran or leave them to slow down this Isis train. Either way, it's disgraceful. Can't wait for Sew's inevitable blame Bush comments. They're coming. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by Serowbot on 06/13/14 at 11:12:48 Alright,.. it's all Bush's fault... Who else you gonna' blame?... ;D... |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by thumperclone on 06/13/14 at 11:23:24 Obama for "napping" :D |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by shorty on 06/13/14 at 11:46:19 by no means am I defending going into Iraq.. If he hadn't rolled tanks and troops into Kuwait we might not have gotten involved.. interestingly Saddam thought we had no interest in his invasion, after all we loved him when he was beating on Iran :-X |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/13/14 at 11:54:24 Thats "revisionist" Shorty.. He Asked US how we would react if he did that. We Told him we wouldnt get involved,, Spend some time, look that up. OUr Sec/state told him their affairs over there were not our business. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by Pine on 06/13/14 at 11:58:08 Could make for an interesting 2016 election. What party is gonna jump up and holler for the USA to go back in. Not the Dems.. not their style (or wasn't) The Pugs...except... them dern Tea-baggers ( wink wink) Yep, leave it to the right most of the right most to actually see eye-to-eye with the dems on this point. (actually its not the Tea party, but the Libertarians) But we all get lumped in just the same So with Cantor being stomped by a Tea Party and with my own state looking to dump Barbours boy Thad for another Tea party .. the GOP is in a quandary... they cant push for war without upsetting both of other extremes! Whats the MIC do to??? Quick sell your shares of McDonnell/Douglas and Lockheed!!! |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by WebsterMark on 06/13/14 at 12:18:38 3224332E36232E35410 wrote:
Hey, Nixon gets the rap for Vietnam when it was all Kennedy and LBJ. Hopey needs to man up......oh wait..... |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by raydawg on 06/13/14 at 16:06:55 I really don't think ANYBODY can change the outcome in the middle-east.... It will end ugly, period. One way to diffuse it would be if a new sustainable energy source is found and utilized. The area would most likely suffer greatly economically, along with the ability to buy weaponry, perhaps :-? I am not sure if the USA could ever put together a coalition of its citizens like we saw in WWl & WWll. I do know the USA spends a lot on policing the world, which I thought the UN was suppose to really do..... and it does not really seem the answer for us. I wonder if a "private" force, hired by the in power government(s), of these countries, might be a better avenue...... Boy howdy, that sounds so Armageddon, eh :-/ |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by North Country Girl on 06/13/14 at 20:58:41 “Can't wait for Sew's inevitable blame Bush comments. They're coming.” Bush’s fault?? Why no Mr. Mark, everyone knows that everything is clearly Obama's fault, (and Clinton’s too!) Those two guys have caused the entire universe to collapse. Now that we agree Mr. Mark, you may rest well knowing that the Bush/Cheney administration along with God, Guts, and Guns have made America the greatest and most sh!t-kicking country God has ever founded!..... Yee Haw!! |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by shorty on 06/14/14 at 05:48:56 please state examples like everyone else, otherwise there is no discussion |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/14/14 at 08:00:02 4D45445A5452370 wrote:
You so cleverly managed to avoid all my posts where I eviscerate Bush.. Again, Saddam was OUR guy, we put him in. He only became a "Brutal dictator" in need of invasion after he threatened to stop selling oil for dollars & wanted Euros. Then, WE told him there would be no response should he feel the need to go into Kuwait,, that was a set up.,, "POlicing" the world my eye.. We are the ones providing material support for "rebels" around the world.. Its not dems or bubs, its both of them, Owned & operated by the same $$$ powers that want war. They profit from AND theyre consolidating power. Who here isnt amazed that that eeevil Taliban, who had managed to drive the poppy crops to record lows, are now faced with a country growing now RECORD crops of poppies? How is it that America, ( You know, Drug War America) with planes & toxic crap to dump on fields, would allow such? ALLOW? Bull CRAP allow,, WE are involved in the drug trade. We have banks making millions & millions of dollars laundering the drug $$$. Look that UP,, its not a secret. & no one goes to jail.WE had no reason to be in A/stan, Well,, except the drugs, OUR troops are guarding the fields. Why do you think Pat Tillman was killed? He gave up a lucrative career in the NFL to go fight for his country. He got there & realized it was a con game & was about to come home. He had made it very clear that he intended to speak out when he got home. HE, Pat Tillman, Mr "so Big on America" that he walked away from a multi million dollar contract to go fight for his country,, HE could GET the coverage., He wasnt some schmuck nobody knew or cared to listen to, he was Pat Tillman,, & if he came home & started telling what he saw, the People would want nothing more to do with that "war"..SO, he was murdered. Coroner said so Look that up. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by raydawg on 06/14/14 at 08:14:10 You so cleverly Gee JOG, I can't recall you ever being so generous before....... Maybe it's because _______, or perhaps ________, ya think partner, yee haw ;D |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by thumperclone on 06/14/14 at 13:33:44 Afghanistan will end up the same |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by Serowbot on 06/14/14 at 15:28:36 2438253D203522333C3F3E35500 wrote:
It will,.. but it didn't have that much going for it, to start with... Iraq,.. was quite progressive...for an Arabic country... More infrastructure, better education, hospitals, roads, arts and culture, etc... |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by pgambr on 06/14/14 at 18:18:03 26393F3825221323132B39357E4C0 wrote:
You so cleverly managed to avoid all my posts where I eviscerate Bush.. Again, Saddam was OUR guy, we put him in. He only became a "Brutal dictator" in need of invasion after he threatened to stop selling oil for dollars & wanted Euros. Then, WE told him there would be no response should he feel the need to go into Kuwait,, that was a set up.,, "POlicing" the world my eye.. We are the ones providing material support for "rebels" around the world.. Its not dems or bubs, its both of them, Owned & operated by the same $$$ powers that want war. They profit from AND theyre consolidating power. Who here isnt amazed that that eeevil Taliban, who had managed to drive the poppy crops to record lows, are now faced with a country growing now RECORD crops of poppies? How is it that America, ( You know, Drug War America) with planes & toxic crap to dump on fields, would allow such? ALLOW? Bull CRAP allow,, WE are involved in the drug trade. We have banks making millions & millions of dollars laundering the drug $$$. Look that UP,, its not a secret. & no one goes to jail.WE had no reason to be in A/stan, Well,, except the drugs, OUR troops are guarding the fields. Why do you think Pat Tillman was killed? He gave up a lucrative career in the NFL to go fight for his country. He got there & realized it was a con game & was about to come home. He had made it very clear that he intended to speak out when he got home. HE, Pat Tillman, Mr "so Big on America" that he walked away from a multi million dollar contract to go fight for his country,, HE could GET the coverage., He wasnt some schmuck nobody knew or cared to listen to, he was Pat Tillman,, & if he came home & started telling what he saw, the People would want nothing more to do with that "war"..SO, he was murdered. Coroner said so Look that up. [/quote] Yeah, I was sure happy to see W hit the road. I didn't think it could get much worse; although, I stand corrected. He campaigned on trans parity, ending the wars, closing gitmo, and hope & change. Not only did none of this happen he out-bushed bush. Wars are still transpiring, extended and prepared new legislation to erode liberties, banks are getting 85 B a month to keep the economy at a malignant standstill, 48 M on the welfare dolls, ACA, national debt at 17 T+, and numerous scandals. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by WebsterMark on 06/14/14 at 19:30:26 Yea, but he's getting pretty good at golf. I just read (I'd like to confirm) he's back at it this weekend, some outing in California. Hell, only costing us. Couple million for him to tee it up. FORE!... Actually, now that I think about it, given how f'd up his administration is, he should yell FORE before every speech so we know to duck cause you know someone's gonna get smacked upside the head with another new "change" of his.... |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/14/14 at 21:19:39 31223A27223424430 wrote:
Yea,, well,, see what it got me? Not a reply.. She WANTS to believe that those who criticize Bammy LOVE Bush,, She ( & actually most people) is intellectually dishonest & believes everyone else is. Its called Projection,, |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by Serowbot on 06/14/14 at 23:35:57 It's easy to take comments meant for the general audience here, as personal... I'm often misinterpreted as attacking someone, when I'm just commenting generally on the topic... Unless you are called out by name... it's best to assume that it's not personal... ;)... Peace,... (G'dammt!)... ;D... ...(this may become my new sign-off)... (just,"Peace", ain't workin')... Peace,... (G'dammt!)... Serow |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by raydawg on 06/15/14 at 07:39:17 786E79647C69647F0B0 wrote:
Here sugar, use this tag: PEACE, don't make me hurt you |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by mpescatori on 06/16/14 at 00:59:12 4F5056514C4B7A4A7A42505C17250 wrote:
A-MEN ! |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by mpescatori on 06/16/14 at 01:17:40 392620273A3D0C3C0C34262A61530 wrote:
Absolutely correct (unfortunately...) Here, guys, read some HISTORY (and stop thinking "history" is what the newspapers tell you) http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/upload/yuiupload/312450854.jpg This map shows the British advance into "Mesopotamia", a Province of the Ottoman Empire, in WW1 (yes, the one you guys think was only fought in the Ardennes.. :P) Can you find Kuwait ? No ? Maybe because there wasn't one in the first place ? Here, maybe these maps will shed some more light... http://www.ottomansouvenir.com/img/Maps/Ottoman_Empire_Map_16-17th_Centuries.JPG http://www.ottomansouvenir.com/img/Maps/Ottoman_Empire_Map_1359-1856.jpg (sorry, I know it's oversized...) This is what the "Sublime Gate to the East", the Ottoman Empire looked like when the 13 Colonies were fighting the French and Indian War (7 Years' War in Europe) up until your Civil War. The Ottoman Empire was at peace with the world and busy looking busy against the Pirates who lived in what are now the United Arab Emirates. Can you see Kuwait ? No ? Kuwait City ? Of course not !!! It was all marshland and swamps until a bearded sleazy bedouin sided with Lawrence of Arabia, helped him (and the Brits) in the fight against the Turks, and got a piece of wasteland as his own "Kingdom"... http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/arabworld/bgulf1930k.gif ...in absolutely worthless marshland... except they didn't know there was oil underground ! Oh, and... by the way... what right did the Brits have to cut up those lands, anyway ? So... from a purely historical perspective... Saddam's claims for Kuwait in 1990 were actually rather correct... Too bad he hadn't made those claims in 1980, maybe he would have got a better deal :-X |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by WebsterMark on 06/16/14 at 08:29:44 That's all well and good, but doesn't mean a darn thing right now. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by Serowbot on 06/16/14 at 08:49:02 The latest is that Iran is willing to lend assistance to the Shiite Iraqi PM Malaki to fend off the insurgence... I wasn't expecting that... This could be a good thing, for the whole region... I think... :-/... |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by WebsterMark on 06/16/14 at 10:15:17 Nations help other nations as long as it's in their own best interest. We stick our noses in the middle east in order to secure our supply of oil and to make the region safer for Israel. If it wasn't for those two things, we would treat the Middle East the way we treat central Africa. Which is to say we would feel bad about it, have a few concerts, maybe send a few Hollywood stars over there for a couple of months, but that's about it. The question is why would Iran stick their nose in the middle of this. It could be they are genuinely afraid of this radical terrorist group. It could also be they want Iraq to owe them a favor. It could also be they are looking for an excuse to get troops and equipment into Iraq. Regardless, this is going to be an interesting month or two. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by oldNslow on 06/16/14 at 11:11:59 Quote:
This is to a pretty large degree a sectarian, religious conflict. Iran, and the current Iraqi government are Shia. The insurgents are Sunni. Iran does not want another Sunni Iraq like the one under Hussiein. They already fought that war once, back in the 1980s. Until the cease fire in 1988( I think) both sides took a hell of a beating, with Iran getting the worst of it. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by Serowbot on 06/16/14 at 11:38:11 Oh cr@p... I thought the Sunni were the fundamentalist nuts... I get them mixed up... Maybe they are both nutty... Religion is evil... |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by oldNslow on 06/16/14 at 11:57:50 Serobot wrote: Quote:
BINGO! The actual doctrinal differences between the to sects are about of the same magnitude as the differences between Lutherans and Episcopalians. Of course Lutherans and Episcopalians don't slaughter and behead one another because they disagree. But ,you know, Islam; the religion of peace. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by WebsterMark on 06/16/14 at 13:26:21 Of course Lutherans and Episcopalians don't slaughter and behead one another because they disagree. But ,you know, Islam; the religion of peace. Touchdown! |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by WD on 06/16/14 at 20:40:54 Don't put me in charge over there 'Bot... I'd push the button and the entire north end of Africa, Turkey, and the entire former Persian Empire from the salt water to the land of the 7 Eleven worker tribe would be coated in green glass... ALL of the oil under those sands belongs to the USA and western Europe by right of discovery and development. Same for the oil in the Niger River Delta. Click... BOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!! Followed by the fingernails on chalkboards sound of us drilling through the green glass cap for what is rightfully ours anyway. Nuke them 'til they glow and shoot them in the dark. Let Allah sort them out. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by mpescatori on 06/17/14 at 05:49:08 714344555243546B47544D260 wrote:
Let's not forget the wars between Catholics and Anglicans (England and Ireland) Catholics and Cathars/Hussites (France and Hungary), and the infamous 100 Years' War... :P Not to mention the attitude of Catholics and Protestants alike towards the North American Natives, Central American Natives, South American Natives, Australian Natives and Sub-Saharan Africans... oh... and Pacific Islanders too... Quite frankly, whereas Jesus did preach Peace&Love... the Popes did anything but... and Protestant Bishops weren't too lenient, either. The issue is we Europeans (Caucasians to you) are an extremely aggressive and quarrelsome race... :P (White Americans included... y'all are culturally Europeans, whether you like it or not... ;) ) |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by oldNslow on 06/17/14 at 06:09:10 mepescatori wrote: Quote:
True enough, but beside the point. When you can show me one credible instance where a Lutheran or Episcopalian ,say, strapped a bomb on one of their children and told that child, "Okay Timmy, you go on over to where the Presbyterians are having their church picnic, and you blow yourself and a bunch or those fu**ers up," then I will be willing to concede that that the followers of Muhammad are no worse than Christians or Jews. Until then, I will continue to believe that they are ignorant savages whose prophet is a psychotic pedophile. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by WebsterMark on 06/17/14 at 06:43:49 Until then, I will continue to believe that they are ignorant savages whose prophet is a psychotic pedophile. Another touchdown! Civilized world 14, death happy, sexually frustrated men who beat women, enslave children and live in caves; 0. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by Pine on 06/17/14 at 07:14:05 5C4154425250455E4358310 wrote:
Let's not forget the wars between Catholics and Anglicans (England and Ireland) Catholics and Cathars/Hussites (France and Hungary), and the infamous 100 Years' War... :P Not to mention the attitude of Catholics and Protestants alike towards the North American Natives, Central American Natives, South American Natives, Australian Natives and Sub-Saharan Africans... oh... and Pacific Islanders too... Quite frankly, whereas Jesus did preach Peace&Love... the Popes did anything but... and Protestant Bishops weren't too lenient, either. The issue is we Europeans (Caucasians to you) are an extremely aggressive and quarrelsome race... :P (White Americans included... y'all are culturally Europeans, whether you like it or not... ;) )[/quote] WASP .. long standing common moniker for many "White Americans" White Anglo-Saxon Protestant .. I don't think many deny it? ;) I often ( but only once did it) feel like enforcing someone that "demands" to be called "african-american" to then refer to me in the complete context above. I also like to add: " of European decent" just to drag it out even further. The one time I did this they let me continue to use the local term "black". I did not think of it as racist, but more correctly has not over-empowering one race to another. As for Arab world... I much as I would want to believe that within Islam there could be civility... the last 20 or so years seems to say otherwise. Its a sad thing, to admit that a classical Abrahamic religion may in fact never reconcile with .... the rest of the world. :-[ |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by mpescatori on 06/17/14 at 07:49:22 Old'n'slow, I'm so releived you are so concerned with the well being of "the enemy's children"... most certainly, child soldiers are a scourge... http://www.lwranch.com/admin/_uploads/older-kids/normal/8d96eb8d7c6c9caedba85af52bba2a8f.jpg I assume the picture-riddle below tells you nothing... http://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR00O5kRCgXEmWd6EZo51pfIpLEfdhZxZlJuPSFVuMBA7e0kjajRw NO ? I'm not surprised. Here, let me help... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Bocks-Car-enlisted-flight-crew.png May I help out with your memory... Helping the Japanese understand one million bayonets can't win against just one airplane http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wiredscience/2012/02/DOE-Nuclear-weapon-test-Romeo-The-test-was-part-of-the-Operation-Castle-Romeo-was-the-first-nuclear-test-conducted-on-a-barge-The-barge-was-located-in-the-Bravo-crater-262x300.jpg Of course, it was all for humanitarian reasons, just as it was over Dresden http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20130214/soltani20130214133020610.jpg or in Vietnam... you've got to love those little girls in Vietnam, right, oldNslow ? Or are you just happy to barbecue them ? http://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBIYkZjldYJLS40Oh82aH2gsvCl-IYuX2shQHPxaR8QsnIKpirlghttp://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzGm_X-z8LM9_X6OcYGZh2U2uTdebSsZqsj5G-VesHS7nEXU5FzQ Whose children are you going "help" this time ? http://timeglobalspin.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/2014-01-07t173204z_2010625872_gm1ea180.jpg?w=480&h=320&crop=1 http://glwdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/11db7-native-sitting-bull.jpg?w=474&h=450 |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/14 at 07:52:49 "Nobody's right if everybody's wrong.. " |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by oldNslow on 06/17/14 at 08:18:54 mepescatori,, None of the wars in your post, or the photos you cut and pasted, had anything to do with religion. You are missing the point,and changing the subject, Deliberately, I think. By the way the first photo, the kids in the civil war uniforms, is not even a real war picture. Those kids are reenactors dressed up for a parade. No one looked like that in the 1860s Same with the sumo wrestlers. Pointless. No one here is pretending that children don't suffer horribly in wars. They most certainly do. They are generally not forced to commit suicide by their own parents in the name of some idiotic religion though. And even in the most brutal societies, children are not often used as actual weapons. However our Islamic friends seem to be perfectly OK with doing that. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by mpescatori on 06/17/14 at 08:19:21 "As for Arab world... I much as I would want to believe that within Islam there could be civility... the last 20 or so years seems to say otherwise. Its a sad thing, to admit that a classical Abrahamic religion may in fact never reconcile with .... the rest of the world." The problem is that there are ways to treat men humanely, and prisoners of war even more so... http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/asstd/hoga-klink.jpghttp://www.war-stories.com/images/fonda.jpg ...and then there are those who believe POWs make wonderful Christmans decorations... http://www.unc.edu/courses/2010spring/hist/140/007/Outlines/27.Iraq2_files/image004.pnghttp://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/abu5.jpg There are those who believe you should feed the hungry, and others who ... believe food should be only for those who have the money to pay for it ... or deserve it "just because I said so". http://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/images/photos/gallery/2009-06-12-humanity/2009-06-12-humanity-v-p-il-e-01112.jpghttp://https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*Lwa1-V1tLIRkUaA2XbzJTw.jpeg |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/14 at 12:21:49 Even the most staunch anti-welfare Christian believes in helping needy people. If you want to see what the pro welfare people believe, look at the democrats & their general attitude toward charity. They will adopt a dog before theyll give $$ to someone in need. Thats the states job & thats what taxes are for.. The biggest & most regular Givers are the conservatives. The stats are out there. Thats not to say that youll find charity "across the board" in church going population. I wouldnt even go so far as to say youll find honesty & decency in any higher %age in church goers than in atheists. So far, humanity has been harder to figure out than anything else in life. & the inhumanity among humans is astonishing. The evils perpetrated by our government against the Vietnamese & everywhere else we have gone is simply mind boggling. It may have been DONE under the guise of "spreading democracy" or "Freeing the people from an evil dictator" or, like in Nam, in response to aggression ( which was a documented LIE),, but all those lies were to manufacture consent of a naive & easily led populous who had no idea their military would go & commit such atrocities. That the dumb masses have had many opportunities to wake up & see what the real game is & that so many are still so easily duped & WILL get outraged & WILL not just allow the government to "Take steps", but demand it is inexcusable. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by raydawg on 06/17/14 at 16:37:47 He with no blood on their hands, I will listen to, everyone else is a hypocrit..... Politics and religion when coupled together always destroy in the end , always will. I do believe we are setting up for a one world leader who will appeal to the masses at ending the strife, kinda like what you guys credit saddam Hussein with, but on a much grander scale...... At this point you guys can blame, bicker, and pontificate but in the end it will be meaningless, a chasing of the wind.. The curtain is ready to fall, none of us will get out alive, none..... However, we do have a choice in the matter of what happens after that, but again, it's based upon believing what you can't wrap an understanding around......and trusting in what you can't even see. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by pgambr on 06/17/14 at 18:44:42 Prediction, the offensive that is going to take place will be different from anything the world has seen. The primary weapon of choice will be the drone. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by mpescatori on 06/17/14 at 23:56:47 786761667B7C4D7D4D75676B20120 wrote:
And right you are, JOG ! Here,. let me give you an example of "international solidarity"... Albanians escaping Hoxha's dictatorship and fleeing to Italy... 8 March 1991, 20,000 Albanians on a freighter arrive unexpectedly to Brindisi when all the LEOs are ensuring security at the local soccer stadium... http://www.frontierarieti.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/vlora1-680x365.jpghttp://www.pugliantagonista.it/osservbalcanibr/fotosserv/mario3.JPG Operation Alba and Operation Pelican, Italy literally FED Albania :o but the Italian Army went unarmed because that's what the politicians had decided :-X http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRO05s-kc7hBYtLo_XKucJl9qdjj68ZuJXE-NFfIs4_PSlMBL5Yhttp://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQz8uRvdLjzxVJOe3wSePyFgmYLVtk5ka8jGEJuGB0EFkHj7Jv8 "Boat People" fleeing the Horn of Africa, crossing the Sahara c/o human traffickers, and gambling their lives on the most godawful rundown boats to cross the Mediterranean and make it to Sicily... http://isaac.guidasicilia.it/foto/news/cronaca/traversata_migranti_deserto1_N.jpghttp://www.palermomania.it/public/news2012/news_51138_lampedusa_immigrati.jpghttp://www.lettera43.it/upload/images/03_2012/l43-barcone-immigrati-lampedusa-120319220938_medium.jpg They don't always make it to the other side... :-[http://images2.corriereobjects.it/methode_image/2013/10/05/Interni/Foto%20Gallery/ROM342-040857-01-02-20131005-155743_MGzoom.jpg?v=20131005195212 http://temi.repubblica.it/UserFiles/limes/Image/Carte/209_colore_latrazioneversosud500(1).jpg We also hold the European record for resident Gypsies... :P http://www.mattinonline.ch/wp-content/themes/mol_ch/scripts/timthumb.php?src=http://www.mattinonline.ch/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/rom.jpg&w=456&h=270&zc=1 ...not to mention Romanians, Bulgarians, Moldavians, Ukrainians... ...Bengalis, Pakistanis, Afghanis and whatnot... 99% of whom are illegal immigrants (aliens to you) It ain't easy, when the Pope had more say than your own Prime Minister... Italy has quite a tradition in Humanitarian Missions... we don't start wars, we try to put an end to the suffering... http://https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSKmFyoQJRNkSg4n19XZTrucrxyjiMqe-AuxOa7EX11EWkgGfzt |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by Pine on 06/18/14 at 06:42:07 Well getting back to the OP... I found this. I am not sure I believe most or even anything they say, but it does make for interesting thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey9tExYbjm8 |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by North Country Girl on 06/19/14 at 11:57:53 “Another touchdown! Civilized world 14, death happy, sexually frustrated men who beat women, enslave children and live in caves”. Mr. Mark “Of course Lutherans and Episcopalians don't slaughter and behead one another because they disagree. But, you know, Islam; the religion of peace”. Mr. Mark Substitute caves for compounds sir, and you have perfectly described the David Koresh brand of Christianity. Or consider the “Church of Christian Identity”. That’s the KKK. The KKK folks believe their burning crosses represent the holy light of Jesus Christ on the cross enlightening the world. Christians in America are not without blood on their hands, nor are the Christian Crusaders of the past. It is not just Islam that is a religion of hate and death, it is religion period that is of hate and death. “I'd push the button and the entire north end of Africa, Turkey, and the entire former Persian Empire from the salt water to the land of the 7 Eleven worker tribe would be coated in green glass... ALL of the oil under those sands belongs to the USA and western Europe by right of discovery and development. Same for the oil in the Niger River Delta. Click... BOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!! Followed by the fingernails on chalkboards sound of us drilling through the green glass cap for what is rightfully ours anyway. Nuke them 'til they glow and shoot them in the dark. Let Allah sort them out.” WD …and I would wager that Mr. WD is a “Christian”. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by oldNslow on 06/19/14 at 12:18:50 Quote:
Bad example NC. The warrant for Koresh's arrest was for an alleged weapons violation. The ATF believed he had a machine gun. The kids inside the compound died when our own government burned the compound down. Koresh could have been arrested anywhere. He regularly left the compound and went to town. Wacky as his religion was he didn't murder kids. Anyway, the transgressions of one religion, any religion, do not excuse the the stuff that is done in the name of Islam. Christians have done horrible things. But doing those things is not part of Christian doctrine. They are part and parcel of Islam however, sanctioned and encouraged. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by Pine on 06/19/14 at 13:33:01 1B13120C0204610 wrote:
Wow... this should be its own thread. Koresh... the KKK... you hold these up as examples of majority of Christians? If I thought that they were representative of the totality of Christians.. then yes.. I would choose atheism. And if you do believe that, then we (you and I have no basis) discussion nor compromise. Your believes are as or more set than any religious zealot (of any faith) that I have ever met. Should I hold up Hitler as one representative of your mind set? Please re-consider position as to such examples as representative of 2000 years of the abrahamic religions. Give us some common ground to work from. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by WD on 06/20/14 at 22:13:22 343C3D232D2B4E0 wrote:
Not even close... I have zero use for any of the monotheistic Big 3. I won't even step foot in a Christian sanctuary for a funeral, I'll stand in the doorway and watch from there. I consider Christianity an incurable, communicable disease. I embrace the heritage of MY ancestry, the Nordic, Celtic and Germanic peoples of northern and western Europe. I practice a blend of Germanic, Nordic, Anglo Saxon and Celtic religious traditions. I've earned my seat at the tables of Valhalla... |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by WebsterMark on 06/21/14 at 04:08:33 Substitute caves for compounds sir, and you have perfectly described the David Koresh brand of Christianity. Or consider the “Church of Christian Identity”. That’s the KKK. The KKK folks believe their burning crosses represent the holy light of Jesus Christ on the cross enlightening the world. Christians in America are not without blood on their hands, nor are the Christian Crusaders of the past. It is not just Islam that is a religion of hate and death, it is religion period that is of hate and death. Your ignorance is monumental. There is nothing in common with Koresh and wide spread killing on a massive scale by a religion with widespread support in governments in numerous countries. And the KKK was a political organization created by the Democrats to keep the black race in line. I know this hard for you "girl", but put aside your MTV style education and at least dabble in a reality now and then. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by pgambr on 06/21/14 at 11:24:45 I ran into a fella who got back from A-Stan not to long ago. He the ISIS is taking over all of Iraq. He said they have 2 of our basses and is they are approaching third. All of the assets on the bases as well, that's scary. He said Iraq's soldiers laid down their weapons, put in civilian attire, and assimilated into the population. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/24/14 at 16:50:44 Yea,, COOL! "They have 2 of our bases"! Uh Huhh.. When did military people get so STUPID that they started abandonong things the enemy could USE!?!???.. Its US arming THEM,, some more.. Lost the bases,, & WHAT?? You didnt blow it all to CRAP first?? REally? Children know better,, |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by old_rider on 06/24/14 at 17:08:27 Posted this on a yahoo newsgroup... sums it up for me... they have been this way for THOUSANDS of years, we will not change them. My take.... they are like a pack of dogs....prey on the weakest.....the tide will change when a stronger dog arrives, then ....prey on the weakest.... The best place to be in that regime, the middle dog, the one that waits till the alpha strikes and joins him, then lies on his back in submission so the alpha won't attack him. We need to get out, and get out NOW.... because the only way to deal with feral dogs, is to kill the whole pack, and we CANNOT DO THAT. So just leave...buy our oil elsewhere, I am already driving on two wheels and letting my four sit in the drive... I can take it. Go back to rationing for a bit, ration cards for gas.... if we stop buying their oil, their economy and the rest of the world will come looking to us for answers, and then we can say "pay us handsomely and we will fix it". Or just let the Chinese take care of it...i'm sure they would love to move in and um...help. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/24/14 at 17:43:32 Youre failing to grasp the essential element. WE caused all this. Not for US, but as the muscle of the globalists. WE placed ADS in January, 29th day, 2014, for Escorts for the soon coming 60,000 Unaccompanied Children on our border. Then we started advertising in s/ american papers for people to send their kids on up.. This is a HUGE game,, & I am one of VERY few who have had time to figure out more than just a few % of it. I dont have the whole thing, but, the Georgia Guidestones were NOT a hoax,, Agenda 21 isnt nice, Bush SIGNED the North American TReaty agreement.. Guys,, step BACK & see the bigger picture. govbiz.org thats where ya go to see what contracts the goobs are offering. |
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Title: Re: The fiasco that is Iraq... Post by thumperclone on 06/25/14 at 09:20:51 "only the dead have seen the end of war" plato |
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