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Title: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by raydawg on 01/07/15 at 17:33:59 Upon first hearing about the massacre in Paris, I was outraged..... Then I read further. The publisher had been the target of threats before over his cartoons and articles re" Allah, Islam, etc. His office was even fire bombed previously. He still kept up his articles/cartoons that seemed to taunt those he offended..... I am by no way absolving these perps, or trying to minimize the gravity of their actions, or blame the victims.... However, under different circumstance, if I was to go into let say a Black neighborhood, and hurl racial epitaphs re: Black leaders, and taunting those folks with ridicule, and it led to me be savagely beaten, to the point of death..... Would the media and present day mindset re: race justify it? Who decides who is entitled to be outraged at the actions, words, deeds, of others? Do you understand my confusion? I truly would love some dialogue, if your willing..... |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by Serowbot on 01/07/15 at 22:31:49 Aren't you standing logic on it's head here?... Perhaps you should rethink your sig... Standing against intolerance... is not a passive act... Standing against intolerance, requires that you be intolerant of those that demand intolerance... Standing, requires that you take a stance... |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by thumperclone on 01/07/15 at 23:16:28 wow bot! :o |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by thumperclone on 01/07/15 at 23:23:18 ray who is entitled to express a different view we all are cept yelling FIRE in a theater or having a" *HIT HAPPENS" bumper sticker in Florida (sh*t happens) crap happens I guess its how you present your point |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by Paraquat on 01/08/15 at 06:00:51 5640574A52474A51250 wrote:
That's heavy. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by Pine on 01/08/15 at 07:27:26 I understand your position. There is what society and law say and there is .. well being stupid. Lets remove this to a situation of rape. Is there ANYTHING that a woman can do that would justify rape. NO, of course not. Is there anything a woman can do that realistically puts herself in a position were it is more likely to happen? Is there anything a person can say or print that would justify their murder? NO, of course not. Is there anything a persona can say and or print that could put them a position that would increase their likelihood of it occurring... yes there is. The USA culture and I "think" french culture are the same with regards to freedom of speech. We hold it as a fundamental right. Islamic culture is NOT so inclined. So it becomes a simple clash of culture. The problem is the solution is not simple, or has not been resolvable for many years/decades/centuries. In the past and the indeed currently, it is the norm to blame the person who committed that crime, and not recognize nor deal with the culture clash. Or if the culture clash is acknowledged... to "forgive" the criminal as their culture "made them do it". As a USA conservative, my views are not popular nor PC. It was a criminal act, and the criminals should be caught and punished in accordance with law. If this can be deemed a "terrorist" act then ( in the USA and I think France) additional punishments can be brought to bear. Anything less, if any way the victims can be painted as deserving of thier fate, then freedom of speech and the culture that supports and defends it is abolished and the culture that would suppress such become the new culture. Yeah slow day at work....... :o |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by WebsterMark on 01/08/15 at 10:07:30 3A29312C293F2F480 wrote:
So what you're really saying in essence is "her skirt was too short? It was her fault. She should have acted and dressed more appropriately...." |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by WebsterMark on 01/08/15 at 10:21:24 The difference Ray is that going into a black neighborhood and inciting violence is not the same as a newspaper's editorial position, in this case on the growing acceptance of extremism and violence in Islam. Islamic extremist have been very effective and silencing opposition. If you want to see a ridiculous example, look up the picture in the New York daily news' coverage about the Paris attack. They have a photo of a man standing with a copy of the offending newspaper with one of the cartoons on the cover. They actually blurred out half of the photo that showed an image of Mohammed. The other half of the photo showed a Jewish man with the stereo-typical hooked nose. Did they blur the Jewish caricature of a man with a hook nose out of the photo so as not to offend the Jewish race? No, of course not. They left that fully visible. Now, why did they do that? The answer is of course they know Jewish shooters are not going to invade their newspaper crying out for revenge and shooting down people in cold blood. That's what I mean by Muslim extremist having succeeded in terrorizing and intimidating most newspapers. There is absolutely no place in this discussion for even considering for one half a second there was any amount of justification behind these murders. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by verslagen1 on 01/08/15 at 11:52:23 I suppose you have to understand how small the world has gotten... and that according to sharia law, a woman not covered from head to toe and escorted by a man maybe bent over an legally raped right there. And that 'honor' killings are accepted practice. In our society, the pen is mightier than the sword, laws are written, break them and the books will be dropped on you. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by MnSpring on 01/08/15 at 12:57:53 In this country, comedians, use political figures, positions, actions, etc, etc, etc. Nothing is spared. Religion, Companies, Products, and so on. And I am sure, they all have received, ’threat’, letters as to their opinions. Yet, Freedom, to say what you want, protects them. However, at what point, and what, ‘leaders’, will allow that, Freedom, to erode. ???? Take Ferguson. The people that live their, have the, ‘right’, to express their opinion. But to Loot, Riot, Set fires, are the same as being on a airplane, and in mid flight, saying: “Hi”, to a fellow named Jack. The, shooters, should be caught, strung, and quartered. Yet, their will be some that say: “Terrible event, and to stop future events like that, we need a law, you can not wear a short skirt” Also, where did they get guns? In a country that so prides itself, from ‘removing’ firearms, from the honest citizens? And when will the people, who tout the; “Greater Good”, get a law passed, that abridges your freedom, and say: “Well you know, you can’t say those things, because someone may shoot you”. Do you know, who represents you? Local/State/Federal? Have you reminded them, YOU hire them, and YOU, pay their wages? Or do nothing, and accept the day, when, 'for the greater good', your freedom, to give your opinion, is removed. Because what happened their over their in France. Because it is clear, that giving your opinion on something, could cause harm to someone else. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by raydawg on 01/08/15 at 14:57:31 5E485F425A4F42592D0 wrote:
So, these guys took a stance against something they believed was intolerable........ is that what you suggest? |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by pgambr on 01/08/15 at 16:23:13 22312934312737500 wrote:
Interesting inquiry, I will add my .02 from the direction in which this thread was initiated. I think Raydawg posed a rationality question of who is entitled to be outraged and why. Who decides would primarily be the populace of the offended demographic (or perhaps how much the populace as a whole is willing to tolerate), media (propaganda ministry), political factions (political parties and or political action campaigns), non-governmental organizations (to many to address), other special interest groups, the financing for various causes & agendas (whether that be direct donations or indirect funding such as in the form network funding from advertisers), and of course religious influences. All play a role how topics and issues are viewed and to what degree they may be deemed acceptable. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by Serowbot on 01/08/15 at 17:29:25 Firstly,... intolerable, and intolerance are two different things... Secondly,... epitaphs and epithets are two different things... ;D... My mistake for commenting... The French cartoonists were not being intolerant... They were making social commentary... ...and bravely standing against intolerance... There is a difference in that,.. and hurling racial slurs in Ferguson... |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by WebsterMark on 01/08/15 at 18:09:05 Geez I hate it when Sew and I are on the same side of an issue..... I have to go back and double check my thought process. Sew is absolutely correct. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by raydawg on 01/08/15 at 19:22:24 I think pgambr has framed the perimeters, as such, and "they" get to pick, and choose their outrage, accordingly. Ferguson was just an example, tho weak in comparison, but I believe it reveals the hypocrisy of those entities pgambr exampled...... BTW Bot, tolerance is a noun, tolerant is an adjective, according to Merriam-Webster they both share the same definition: willingness to accept feelings, habits, or beliefs that are different from your own But the eptitater thing, uh, you got me ;D |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by Serowbot on 01/08/15 at 21:41:10 I want my epitater to read... "See,... I told ya' I was sick"... :-?... ...and Web,... you should be scared... do you imagine a bunch of French cartoonist's to be liberal,.. or conservative?... ;D ;D ;D... If I might.... refocus this thread, without a total hijack... Why is it,.. that the ACLU is a liberal organization?... As I see it,.. they defend the Constitution, with an unbiased fervor... As I see it,.. the conflict lies in the Right-wing attachment to the steadfast interpretation of the Constitution and Christian dogma... ... a conflict, if there ever was one... They seem to me, to defend freedoms of thought and expression, equally...Right and Left... ... but they are interpreted as a leftist organization... How is the defense of individual rights,... a leftist cause?... Puzzling to me... :-?... These French cartoonist's would have been supported by the ACLU... Is it not a conflict to the Right-wing theology?...?... It is my belief... that the differential between Right and Left... is not about "freedoms"... or "rights"... (we all believe in them)... but in empathy... The understanding that, we must defend the beliefs of those that we don't agree with... (while still having the right to disagree)... Equally,... we must resist making our disagreement, law... Is there a difference between a day before abortion and and the day after pill?... Is there a difference between a blunderbuss and a an AK-47?... Is there a gray.. or is everything black and white?... Should we meet in the middle?... Shouldn't we be able to agree to accept each other"s difference of thought... I really believe that we basically want the same thing... What is in the way?... :-?... Is it purely interpretation?... ...and this is why, us, atheist's,.. are so argumentative... It's not that anyone's beliefs offend us... it's just that they conflict with with the ideologies of so many..,including they're own... You can't believe in individual freedoms,.. while restricting the personal freedoms of others... We all need our freedoms of thought... and expression... Peace,... Serow |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by WebsterMark on 01/09/15 at 06:39:18 do you imagine a bunch of French cartoonist's to be liberal,.. or conservative?... I don’t speak French, so I can’t read the paper. Given that the conservative arm of the French government is probably more tax and spend than the conservative arm of the US government, I’d say in general, France is more liberal than the US. Given that most media outlets are liberal, all that points to these cartoonist having strong liberal tendencies. However, I think France, Germany, Italy and a few others fit the phrase: a conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged. Europe is on the front lines of Islamic fascism and academic niceties fall apart when the reality that immigration is destroying your nation strikes home. (even Democrats support their military after 9/11..at least for a few minutes) I’ve never walked the back streets of Paris; only been through the airport a few times, but I’m told there are places in Paris you just simply don’t go unless you are a Muslim. This is no different than most major US cities; if you are white, there are places it’s just not safe to venture into. I spent some time in Budapest Hungry. Stayed in a hotel in the central area of downtown next to their parliament building (their equivalent of our US Capital) and I walked all over the city. All over Buda and all over Pest as they say. Beautiful place. Point is, I never felt unsafe a single time. I went through working class neighborhoods and stopped in local bars. I did the same in Bergamo Italy, Taipei Taiwan and Tokyo. In none of those places did I feel unsafe. But I’ve been told that’s a no-no in Paris now days. I think even the liberals in France are beginning to push back. Why is it,.. that the ACLU is a liberal organization?... As I see it,.. they defend the Constitution, with an unbiased fervor... Okay, I’ve got my early morning laugh out of the way, thanks….. If you think the ACLU defends the Constitution with an unbiased fervor…. You’ve been watching too many re-runs of Michael Douglass in The American President…. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by WebsterMark on 01/09/15 at 07:13:59 These French cartoonist's would have been supported by the ACLU... Is it not a conflict to the Right-wing theology?...?... No, the reality is it is conservatives who defend free speech. The concept of hate speech is a liberal agenda. Liberals will fight tooth and nail to remove Condoleezza Rice, Ann Coulter or in my town Bristol Palin gets special attention from the left. Their thoughts are not worthy so the left just can't let others hear them so they shut down their speeches. However, those same leftist will call themselves courageous for inviting Ahmadinejad from Iran right in the middle of the time period when he was killing protestors in his country. It's the left whose most active in silencing opposition. Remember Flush Rush?! Trying to use government regulations to quiet someone they can't stand to hear talk! How many conservatives have had to resign for saying something when lefties say things 10 times worse and remain on the job? It is my belief... that the differential between Right and Left... is not about "freedoms"... or "rights"... (we all believe in them)... but in empathy... The difference between Left and Right is: idealism vs reality. It’s a truism is you’re not a liberal when you’re 20; you don’t have a heart. If you’re not a conservative at 40; you don’t have a brain. The Right needs the idealism of the Left and the Left needs the pragmatism of the Right. Left to its own accords, the Left would destroy us by spreading every facet of government over every facet of life…. On its own, the Right would destroy us by not venturing outwards into the unknowns which is a trait that kills all organizations. We need each other. Just like the good Kirk and the bad Kirk on that old Star Trek episode! The understanding that, we must defend the beliefs of those that we don't agree with... (while still having the right to disagree)... Equally,... we must resist making our disagreement, law... Is there a difference between a day before abortion and and the day after pill?... No. Is there a difference between a blunderbuss and a an AK-47?... Yes. But an AK-47 is a blast to shoot! I’m a firm believer that “If guns kill people then pencils make spelling mistakes” Is there a gray.. or is everything black and white?... Of course there’s a gray. In all areas? No, of course not. You don’t think so either. Should we meet in the middle?... How can we always meet in the middle? You brought up abortion. I just held my 3 month old granddaughter this morning. She’s old enough now to smile and reach out at you. What do you want me to say; that 6 months ago if her mother had decided to kill her in her womb because she just lost a job or had some other set back and society encouraged her to abort her unborn and try again later; I am supposed to ‘give ground’ to you accept that? You want me to think that the hacked up pieces of flesh sitting in a plastic bag behind the Planned Parenthood office waiting to be hauled off to the incinerator is not my little Sadie? Bull$hit. My wife and I were both conceived and born in very bad situations back in the early 60’s. Today, our mothers would likely have aborted us. Now I have two children and a beautiful granddaughter. In your world, none of these lives would have ever happened. Convince me that how I’m supposed to clear the pathway and make it easier for women to kill their babies… We had a 'six months' from conception-three months to go' party for her. We put her ultrasound picture on the wall with the rest of the family. They gave her a name, we called her by name before she was even born. And you want me to agree that simply moving a few inches down a birth canal after being alive for 9 months is what made her a person worthy of legal protection? How am I suppose to meet you in the middle when your middle would have been agreeing to chop those little girls into pieces and throw them out like trash? |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by Serowbot on 01/09/15 at 08:19:51 Take your soapbox to Sandy Hook... To value a couple of cells more than 6 year old child that is loved is nonsensical... ...but,.. I wasn't planning on another choice/life argument... Congrats on your new family addition... :)... |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by WebsterMark on 01/09/15 at 09:05:38 Hey, you're the one that brought it up. Sorry but a six month old unborn child is a bit more than a few cells. And as I have always found, any time you start a discussion with a pro-choice person and you begin to bring up logical fallacies in their argument they run away. Literally, I have had people turn and walk away when confronted with simple realities. They always start off like they want to have a discussion but it never turns out that way. And hey, I don't really blame them or you. Your position forces you to agree with acts that you know are just not right. If I was forced to somehow justify chopping up small babies I guess I'd run away too so I don't blame you. Thank you for the congratulations. I have to admit having a grandchild seems way more fascinating than having my own children. Probably because when you have your own children you're caught up in the moment as far as having to raise them, provide for them and everything else. Maybe having a grandchild is like living next to a city park: you can enjoy everything but you don't have to cut the grass! |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by Serowbot on 01/09/15 at 10:56:56 Just the facts... Quote:
The point here is I will not judge women, while they deal with an issue and responsibility that I as a man cannot realize... I neither approve nor disapprove... because I don't have the right... Keep in mind,... the legal status of abortion doesn't create or prevent it... It just makes it safer... or more dangerous... Abortions didn't start happening with Roe v Wade,... they've been going on since ancient times... they just became safer... Millions of women's lives have been saved... The Supreme Court, a traditionally conservative body, has determined and upheld repeatedly that this procedure is Constitutionally protected... "Chopping up babies" is a Right-Wing red herring... Beyond this, you can soapbox your high morality till your blue in the face... you still don't have a womb... So it will never be your decision... or mine... Women don't deal in the abstract on this issue... they deal in harsh reality... I'll leave the decision to them... |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by WebsterMark on 01/09/15 at 12:22:10 Your statistics are my point exactly. I was one of those unintendec pregnancies as was my wife. We are as much alive today as we were then. My red herring of dead babies is unfortunately true. Your red herring of millions of women alive today is fortunately not true. Very few deaths occurred from back alley, coat hanger abortions. That's lie has been told so many times way too many fully people believe it. And for what it's worth the fear of a back alley abortion is probably why I and my wife are alive today. Frankly we need a little more fear in this regards today. The abortion rate for blacks in inner cities is unbelievably high. As far as women being the only one allowed to weigh in on this decision, that's nonsense is well. I mean if you want to go down the road were only those directly affected by a particular situation are the only ones allowed to make public policy, oh boy what a can of worms that is.... But you're right, so much for the soapbox. This thread has been hijacked. Back to the original topic, it seems the terrorist murderers have been killed themselves in a shootout. Unfortunately, it also seems a few of the hostages died as well. I heard the French president speech and CNN immediately jumped on the single line in his speech that I heard how we need to not blame "ordinary Muslims". I'm not sure about that. Every time there's one of these Islamic fundamentalist/terrorist attacks, we keep hearing how this is not part of the mainstream Muslim ideology. All evidence to the contrary, I'm starting to think that in fact it is part of the Muslim mainstream ideology. Instead of being hypersensitive to some made-up condition of Islamicphobia, maybe we ought to really start getting a real Islamicphobia. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by verslagen1 on 01/09/15 at 12:33:05 30233B26233525420 wrote:
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by MnSpring on 01/09/15 at 13:00:06 Quote:
I can't recall, the ACLU ever defending the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution. Quote:
Absolutely. When I lay down a package of Bacon, on the belt at a supermarket, the person behind me, (wearing full Berke), has a, 'right', to not lay her food down on the same belt, as to her religious believes. She has every, 'right' to, hold it off the belt, to go to another lane, or another supermarket. However, She does NOT, have ANY, 'right' to DEMAND, that store STOP selling Bacon. Quote:
Again a big, A-Yep ! But the only way, that will happen, is for US, to keep holding the feet of the people WE, hire and PAY, to the coals. And do not LET them, take that freedom of opinion away. In the, (warmer months), I have a friend who, the two of us could not be at more extreme ends of the political spectrum. Will sit in the chairs under the shade, having a cool beverage, and discuss views. Often ending with his wife calling me, and asking is Don is their. Of course I tell her, "He just left, will be home shortly" ;D Point is, it is wonderful to disagree on a subject. And when no resolution is readily achieved. We simply, agree to disagree on that subject. It will be a sad day, when, 'someone', who I disagree with, goes to the, 'authorities', and I just, 'disappear'! And more and more, that is getting closer and closer. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by WebsterMark on 01/09/15 at 13:32:55 Good point about the ACLU and the second amendment. Also I guess I can say just like Sew, I'm pro-choice. I think if someone chooses to have an AK-47, the choice is up to them not me..... |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by pgambr on 01/09/15 at 18:19:15 Back to the original topic, presented with no comment. http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/01/20150109_pen2.jpg |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by WebsterMark on 01/10/15 at 05:51:33 Just read an interesting article citing the daft 100,000 French Jews have left France in the past year. What I didn't read was how many Muslim immigrants came into France during that same period.... Are we in the early stages of a time period when Muslim will be synonymous with Nazi? |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by raydawg on 01/10/15 at 08:42:37 Thanks Bot, a good post........ However, in my opine intellectually one-sided without extending any tolerance ( willingness to accept feelings, habits, or beliefs that are different from your own ) to others, but that you freely carve out charges of the opposition based in your beliefs. Re: abortion, it has become a political football and presently a tool politicians use to garner support and power, I wonder if the ACLU would defend Margaret Sanger's rights to freedom of speech...... Here are just a few of the beliefs from the founder of Planned Parenthood: "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." On blacks, immigrants and indigents: "...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people On sterilization & racial purification: Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech. On the right of married couples to bear children: Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932 On the purpose of birth control: The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2) On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities: "More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12 On religious convictions regarding sex outside of marriage: "This book aims to answer the needs expressed in thousands on thousands of letters to me in the solution of marriage problems... Knowledge of sex truths frankly and plainly presented cannot possibly injure healthy, normal, young minds. Concealment, suppression, futile attempts to veil the unveilable - these work injury, as they seldom succeed and only render those who indulge in them ridiculous. For myself, I have full confidence in the cleanliness, the open-mindedness, the promise of the younger generation." Margaret Sanger, Happiness in Marriage (Bretano's, New York, 1927) On the extermination of blacks: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon On respecting the rights of the mentally ill: In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107 On adultery: A woman's physical satisfaction was more important than any marriage vow, Sanger believed. Birth Control in America, p. 11 On marital sex: "The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order," Sanger said. (p. 23) [Quite the opposite of God's view on the matter: "Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled; but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Hebrews 13:4) On abortion: "Criminal' abortions arise from a perverted sex relationship under the stress of economic necessity, and their greatest frequency is among married women." The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3. On the YMCA and YWCA: "...brothels of the Spirit and morgues of Freedom!"), The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3. On the Catholic Church's view of contraception: "...enforce SUBJUGATION by TURNING WOMAN INTO A MERE INCUBATOR." The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3. On motherhood: "I cannot refrain from saying that women must come to recognize there is some function of womanhood other than being a child-bearing machine." What Every Girl Should Know, by Margaret Sanger (Max Maisel, Publisher, 1915) [Jesus said: "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep... for your children. For, behold, the days are coming, in which they shall say, Blessed (happy) are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts which never gave suck." (Luke 23:24)] Will the ACLU defend this, somehow I doubt it. Will they defend this man rights to "freedom of expression" He lost his job, one he did so well that Obama invited him to serve in his cabinet. Not one charge of him using his faith to deny any other firefighter promotion exists, yet, those who stand against a persons freedom to believe and express, got him fired on the grounds that they BELIEVE it would bias him at performing his duties.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/01/06/atlantas-fire-chief-fired-following-controversy-over-his-religious-book/ I remember Rush said we will have "thought police" and it appears the talking head is a prophet too! Actually, the biggest statist killers in history have been anti-religious...Joesph Stalin, (seven million murdered) Mao Zedung (11 million murdered) Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge (2.5 million murdered)...These are just a few of historys non-religious mass murders, that list is actually quite large. (Including left wing idol, and mass murder, Ernesto (Che) Guevara. So, why do you think "all war is religion, all religion is war"? And one more thought about abortion..... It would all prove a moot point IF people (men and women) practiced "birth control" BEFORE engaging. I mean after all, we ain't animals and do have "destiny" in our grasp, but our selfishness (getting our own fill) trumps, and everything else pays for it, and yes, even over population and the effecting pollution and strain it puts upon our planet. And closing, I believe a teacher or anyone else employed in the public sector has a right to have in their possession a bible to read at their luxury, however, I believe God should NOT be referenced in the pledge or on our coin, as that is indeed sanctioning, as is tax exemptions for churches, etc. I feel a flat consumption tax would repair many of our ills where the system inadvertently "endorses" one faction against another, it would even remove the problems associated with illegal aliens, as they would be paying into the system too, and thus entitled to its benefits.... |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by MnSpring on 01/10/15 at 15:52:40 Quote:
To late, they already are here. Now, what do WE do about it? Stick a head in the sand, and let it grow? Or get involved, and reduce it ? |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by pgambr on 01/10/15 at 16:32:21 71627A67627464030 wrote:
The estimates of the number of people killed by communism in the twentieth century is upwards of 100 million people. Even more startling is the number of non-combatants killed by communist regimes in the twentieth century which approached 70 million people. Mass killings include not only mass murders or executions that took place during the elimination of political opponents, terror campaigns, land reforms, but also lives lost due to famine, disease, and exhaustion in labor camps. The Soviet Union was the greatest evil mankind has ever experienced with 50-60 million people who died from the over throw of the Romanov dynasty (1917) to approximately 1955. If you are not familiar with Ayn Rand, that was why she dedicated her life’s work to forewarn the west of the consequences of a single party centralized state. She was the only member of her family to survive the initial purges of the Bolsheviks . In no uncertain terms, these deeds can only be attributed to far left wing ideologies. Incidentally, the concept of the “thought police” was created by George Orwell in 1949, with his book “1984”. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by old_rider on 01/10/15 at 23:26:01 I think a few of the opinions are going a bit off subject of the story. I don't post much, because the cut and paste crap.... leads to far fetched and totally obtuse angles they take. Story, muslim extremists kill newspaper cartoonists who depict their "prophet/savior" in an inappropriate manor according to the religious sect. Let us say, the same news agency posted an inappropriate picture of jesus violating a sheep.... Would Christians then fire bomb the news office? Let us say, the same news agency posted a picture of the pope being violated by one of his clergy... Would the catholics firebomb the news office? You think of a jewish one...i'm all out... There are NO, extremist Christian, Catholic, Jewish,Prodistant or Hindu ect,, ect,, religious sects now-a-days that would go to the extreme of automatic weapons and gunning down said news agency. Somewhere somehow, this will have to be addressed..... History of ANY religion is NOT an issue....TODAY is... Lets hope our nations can figure out how to put an end to the Muslim Extremism.... |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by raydawg on 01/11/15 at 09:41:07 You are right OR, however...... As evidenced by Bot's declaration of all things not being black/white, but gray, or another way to put it, there is no absolutes.......uh,except that one I guess ;D These others topics are evidence at the ACLU and narrow-minded folk who call themselves liberal, even tho they are extreme, having academia, and press, as willing participants into the deceptions, or disingenuous dialogue, of their tightly held "beliefs." Back to Ferguson.... If this lad had been raised WITHOUT the influences of those I just mentioned, he would still be alive today, or in the least, not had died in the manner he did, and the ensuing riots would never had happened..... Of course it is a vast over-simplification of a complex issue, one so deep in our society it will take a skilled surgeons hand to extract the cancer so embedded in the mind(set) of many.... I think it will take thinking like I finally did when I came to realize I had a problem with booze. I had spent most of my energy in defending or minimizing its effects on me, and my family..... Not until I faced the facts could I begin to even glimpse the truth.... I was so wrapped up in my own emotions, using the actions of others to justify my continuation of my actions and "beliefs", that I had not a snowballs chance in heel at seeing truth. Once I owned it, and more important, believed it, did my life change.... I was so dead in spirit, I don't know how/why I lived there so long... Truth is freedom, not being sanctioned by a political system, people, money, or motorcycle :D And we all inherently know what the truth is, I think it was gifted in the womb, we just get co-opted and indoctrinated from our very first breath.... Try to wrap an understanding around this observation, "We lie the loudest, when we lie to our self" |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/15 at 22:51:10 11021A07021404630 wrote:
And don't forget,moderation in ALL Things..... Sooo,do we moderate moderately? |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by verslagen1 on 01/12/15 at 09:57:26 4B545255484F7E4E7E46545813210 wrote:
And don't forget,moderation in ALL Things..... Sooo,do we moderate moderately?[/quote] Lie to yourself moderately or you'll go deef. :-? |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by mpescatori on 01/13/15 at 08:29:00 I have taken the trouble of reading all three pages of this thread, and have come to the conclusion that none of you, not one, has ever seen one of the cartoons published by CHARLIE HEBDO. CHARLIE HEBDO can only be defined as "An Adult's version of MAD Magazine", because more often than not its satire crosses the line into pornography. And since we are ALL CHRISTIANS in this Forum (perhaps a Jew or two) here is a few cartoons to tickle your humor. http://https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s480x480/10906546_10203428978225750_8552575038082668208_n.jpg?oh=2a0efc0967e4e7492337406b3cae5cda&oe=5535B4AD There. Do you feel amused ? Are you tickled ? Methinks... NOT. To my eye, to see the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost playing buggery to celebrate gay marriage is blasphemy. It Italy the Church would have thundered. Blasphemy is anything but "civilization". In the US anybody would have marched to the local judge or police station to place their complaint. In France they say they are tolerant. In France they say they are "good people"... In Italy, an old saying goes "too good means stupid". I do not condone, but in a certain way, they asked for it... :-X |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by mpescatori on 01/13/15 at 08:57:02 (I am certain this post will live only a few minutes and then be censored by the Mods... which proves my point exactly... that there is a fine line between "Freedom" and "Offensive") http://https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10441036_814644048558735_7134163803054895503_n.jpg?oh=aad634aa83c3f4c0657ebe9a40ae5edd&oe=5521F30A&__gda__=1430009010_afaf5042daf3cd4c72651bffc72a66e4 IF MOHAMMED WERE TO RETURN "I am the Prophet, stupid!" "Shut up, infidel!" http://https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10277933_740964359260038_7667413102675241461_n.jpg?oh=2525f06f8b705e24acd370220f693786&oe=556D6A72&__gda__=1428286532_0db53df298f9a8325851ef915def9e89 THE CORAN IS SH*T http://https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10341994_731587096864431_7022539021825568909_n.jpg?oh=80440f88b2174fae9a81a5d289e7efe6&oe=5537FEAD "Tomorrow I have Jihad" "Lucky guy, I have Math!" http://www.morbleu.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/charlie-hebdo-mahomet.jpg http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/183760/charlie-hebdo-cover-image-jesus.jpg?w=238 http://https://i0.wp.com/cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/iTumRdEJePilN-e1348078503609.jpeg IT'S SO HARD TO BE LOVED BY IDIOTS! ...............JESUS CHRIST: "Next week I will do the Resurrection trick! ..................(Prophet Mohammed on all fours) A STAR IS BORN SEE WHAT I MEAN ? WOULD YOU TOLERATE THIS ? (I am certain this post will live only a few minutes and then be censored by the Mods... which proves my point exactly... that there is a fine line between "Freedom" and "Offensive") |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/13/15 at 09:19:51 6F7C6B6A75787E7C7728190 wrote:
And don't forget,moderation in ALL Things..... Sooo,do we moderate moderately?[/quote] Lie to yourself moderately or you'll go deef. :-?[/quote] As evidenced by Bot's declaration of all things not being black/white, but gray, or another way to put it, there is no absolutes.......uh,except that one I guess Grin |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by MnSpring on 01/13/15 at 09:56:13 Quote:
You have got to be kidding. So you are a Christen, A Catholic, And you see a very graphic, even, ’pornographic’. Cartoon, of the Pope. Ya gonna Shoot Someone ? I don’t think Anyone, even a band of, the Knights Templar, (which many say still exist) Would, SHOOT someone ! Lets say a similar cartoon was published about, Joseph Smith, Not even a, "Avenging Angel”, (Which even Many Mormons, say still exist) Would go out and SHOOT someone ! Now would those people, make comments, about that. Most very likely. Even the Irish Catholics and the British Protestants, have stopped KILLING people ! Don’t care how, distasteful, the CHARLIE HEBDO cartoons are. (In some peoples minds) I find them extremal timely and funny! Lets see: A Priest and a Rabi, were sitting on a park bench. a 12 your old boy walks by. The Priest says: “Wouldn’t you want to F*** that” The Rabi says: “Out of what ?” So now, a Catholic, or Jew is going to SHOOT me now ????? ... Methinks... NOT. ... Quote:
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by MnSpring on 01/13/15 at 10:45:03 I heard in the news the other day. That a Man was charged with Rape, and he got off. Reason: "She Asked For It". He proved her Skirt was to short, and her Blouse was to low. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by raydawg on 01/13/15 at 16:06:24 mpescatori........ Where did I say I ever read the guy? I am afraid you did not understand the context of which I posted originally, before it expanded a wee bit. And to post this mans cartoons so you can prove your point (in your own mind) might suggest you are willing to surrender your scruples in order to score a few intellectual points (again, in your mind) in some kind of debate mentality mode...... I had no idea of the man, or his publication, and I have never opened the "link" to view any of his work, as most of the news stories link it, but thanks to you, that has all been changed, uh, thanks, I feel so enlightened, not. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by Serowbot on 01/13/15 at 17:23:21 The TT is basically unmoderated for content,... other than following Yabb rules, and personal attacks... No porn, no F-bombs... (Yabb says so) ...no personal attacks...(I say so)... You can name call politicians or personalities,...just not other members... Especially,... me... ;D... These cartoons are vile, tasteless, and not particularly funny, ... but they make a political point... (both for Charlie and Pescatori)... I don't consider them to be porn any more than Michelangelo's David... (although they sure ain't comparable talent wise)... ...(I believe "porn" must show nudity for the purpose of titillation, and these surely don't)... I won't take them down, unless Yabb, MJ, or Pescatori asks me to.... Regrettably,... Serow |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by Flint on 01/13/15 at 17:35:33 Charlie Hebdo were very sick twisted perverts. As far as the West claiming free speech ... they gave a fellow a one year jail sentence for offending Muslims in Toronto just before the Paris attacks occured. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by Dane Allen on 01/14/15 at 12:01:48 First a great quote from Ace.mu.nu - "If you can't issue an endorsement of free speech without fearing others will think you are also endorsing the content, something is wrong." [rdbrewer] Funny how libs were all over the anti-flag burners, goes to show how fluid their position on civil rights can be. Look, we all (well, most of us) value a person's right to express themselves as a universal right irrespective of the content of that expression. I have seen the C.H. covers off the current and past issues but I knew the attack was wrong before then, I knew right away. It is a no brainer, controlling expression is a form of intimidation and a step towards slavery. C.H. has a right to their expression as you have a right to not purchase their content. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by Serowbot on 01/14/15 at 14:54:43 6E4B444F6B46464F442A0 wrote:
Say what?... :-/... |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by pgambr on 01/14/15 at 16:03:27 Evidently JOG is still on sabbatical, so I feel obligated to underscore a couple details that haven’t received the proper amount of attention. 1. The suspected assassin erroneously left his ID in the back seat of the get-a-way car. 2. The lead investigator apparently committed suicide shortly after the attack in the police station. I find it hard to believe a trained assassin would make that kind of unforced error. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by oldNslow on 01/14/15 at 18:29:35 http://zionstrumpet.com/2015/01/the-bill-is-due-it-cannot-be-paid-it-is-too-late/ Food for thought. It's a bit long, but worth the time IMO |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by raydawg on 01/14/15 at 19:17:13 You are indeed right, a worthy read, but a very sad commentary in the demise of freedom, as the cost of freedom....... In the scope of shear numbers, these factions are but a fraction of the total civilized population. However, thinking how could one person name Hitler, just a single man, be the catalyst for such destruction and hate.... And too, I think of those who think in "gray" refusing to see things as black and white....as if absolutes are somehow wrong and the reason for hate..... But those who do hate, based on beliefs, are "absolutely" convinced they are superior in beliefs and justified in any action to sustain it, and even promote it...... Freedom is on the radar screen, I saw where France voted today to put restriction on theirs, only one vote in opposition.... As if this is the fix...... |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by oldNslow on 01/14/15 at 20:05:08 Quote:
A lot of people - perhaps most people - are terrified of freedom. Freedom means that they alone are responsible for their actions and the consequences of those actions. They can't hide behind an ideology, a religion, a Prophet, whatever, or pretend that they are acting "in the name of","for the glory of" etc. That's how this happens,over and over, and will continue to happen. There is really nothing new about any of this. In another generation there will hardly be a person left alive in the United States (or pretty much anywhere else, for that matter) who remembers, or has ever known, what it was like to live in a truly free country. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by mpescatori on 01/15/15 at 04:10:04 1A390427253E3930570 wrote:
Their are many people that find the NUDE Statue of David, "Offensive". Who should decide, WHERE that line is? Or even if their should be a line. [/quote] Hi MNSpring, please bear in mind I posted those cartoons non because I support them (I obviously do not) nor to justify the assassination of the cartooninsts (I obviously do not) but merely to show you the kind of fuel that was thrown on a very radical fire. I (meaning "Europe" have a history of Reformation, CounterReformation and Inquisition, and Socialist Revolutions, all three of which have generated such a high number of deaths we now invoke freedom of speech as a fundamental human right. In arabic countries such freedom of speech has never existed, not ever from the very times of King Jugurtha onwards. Hence the moral justification - from an arabic point of view - to the assassination. In the US there is a stout defense of human rights - your Constitution is one of the oldest in the world - but also a persecution of human rights when these provoke or are in contradiction with the ethical or religious beliefs of the so-called "silent majority" - which is an oxymoron: it is always a very loudmouthed noisy minority which rises to defend a silent majority which actually couldn't care less ! These two pics may perhaps refresh your memory: http://clatl.com/images/blogimages/2011/04/22/1303504479-web_kkk_rally009.jpg The Good Ol. Boys, known for their tolerance and flexibility; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Baptists-against-jews.jpg Other even Better Ol' Boys, known for their love of their neighbor. So... Im not throwing anything on anybody's fire; I'm just saying that you can't go about baah-baahing like Mary's Little lamb, when bad mad wolves are loose, on the grounds you have a divine right to Baah-Baah... ...and axpect to get away with it... |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by WebsterMark on 01/15/15 at 10:25:21 I think mpes comments are typical of arrogant, but emasculated Europeans who've been under the cloud of political correctness so long, they've lost their moral compass. Any variation of the phrase "the paper asked for it" is evidence of Europe's in pending doom. This Muslim situation is only going to get worse. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by MnSpring on 01/15/15 at 11:51:17 Let’s see: Mussolini’s ‘power’, was stopped, because Why? Was their some Italians, who, Spoke Out ! And did NOT run away afraid? The KKK’s, power, was, stopped, because Why? Was their some black skinned people, who Spoke Out ! And did not run away afraid? Quote:
So, the, ‘correct’, thing is to, ‘Run Away, and Shut Up” ??? Because their are, ‘Bad Wolves’, about? Photos of groups of people, ‘protesting’ with signs. Or looting, or setting fires, or rioting. One can find them all over in the US. and Most every other, Free Country. EVEN in Italy. Now, someone stands in the street, (in the US), and burns a US Flag, in a, ‘protest’. Which is their right to do so. A right given to them, by the very Constitution the Flag, (they are burning), represents. I think, that is rather silly. But, it’s their right. And yes, their have been some, ‘attempts’, to make their point with violence. But when that happened. When it turned, ‘Violent’ ? It was summarily dealt with. Let’s say, someone drives a red Motorcycle, And a, ‘group’, does Not like red MC’s. That, ‘group’, then, ’Threatens’ violence. But people are still driving red MC’s. Than that, ‘group’, fire bombs, some, red, MC’s. Yet people still are driving red MC’s. Now that, ‘group’, KILLS some people driving red MC’s. Is the answer, to get rid of all ‘red’ MC’s. Or is it something else ???? |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by MnSpring on 01/15/15 at 12:05:07 704245545342556A46554C270 wrote:
I agree 110%. And the 'political correctness', (Or what I call it, "Azz Kissing".) In this Country, is getting worse and worse! Choice is simple. Turn on the TV, and order more Pizza. OR Communicate, with the people, YOU HIRE AND PAY ! |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by oldNslow on 01/15/15 at 12:11:18 0E3C3B2A2D3C2B14382B32590 wrote:
It's called "appeasement" (the policy of granting concessions to potential enemies in order to maintain peace) It didn't work out very well for the Europeans in the 1930's and it isn't going to work any better this time around. Unfortunately the United States is infected with the same disease. " Don't annoy the Muslims" seems to be the basic tenet of our foreign policy right now. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by pgambr on 01/15/15 at 12:24:57 7B4544485A4647290 wrote:
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by MnSpring on 01/15/15 at 18:50:04 I built a new garage. I suppose 200+ years ago their was a tree on that spot. So I guess, that’s why the, ‘bees’, have now, taken up residences over the door. I can’t go in or out of it, without being, ’stung’. Any suggestions, as to how I can, “appease the bees". (Food, Water, Shelter, etc.) So they do not sting me, when I use my garage? Or should I just knock down their nest, and step on them? Many years ago, I was in Denmark. At a party. I dropped a cigarette butt into a empty beer bottle. All of a sudden, people looked at me, ( like I just pooped in my pants, and it was running down my leg.) The, Hostess, demurely whispered in my ear; “We don’t do that here”. I never did that again ! So tell me again, WHY, should, ‘I’, need to hold my, ‘bacon’, off the belt in the supermarket, Because someone from a, DIFFERENT, Country, does not like it ????? Why should I, curtail my Opinion, Because someone from a, DIFFERENT, Country, Who, Try’s, ‘EXTORTION’, to further their views ????? Why should I, modify my, ’tolerant’, behavior to all people, (Who are, Tax Paying Citizens of THIS Country) who have a ‘right’, to a a different view, Because someone from a, DIFFERENT, Country, (Who is NOT a TAX PAYING CITIZEN, of THIS Country), Thinks otherwise ?????????? Please tell me why? Perhaps I should travel to a Country, Let’s say Italy. And then DEMAND, that the, Values, Thoughts, Ideas, FROM, the country I come from, be applied in THAT Country ! Or, perhaps, next time I am on a Airplane, And the person next to me is wearing a full Beria, I need to SUE, the Airplane Company, Because I was, ‘OFFENDED” !!!!!! Wonder how well that would go ????? |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/15/15 at 23:38:51 In some places the bottles are recycled,so,butts are nasty. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by mpescatori on 01/16/15 at 03:46:35 6B595E4F48594E715D4E573C0 wrote:
No, Sir, the typical emasculated are those who live in a would-be castle, with two oceans as moat. Had the 13 Colonies not been so isolated from Europe, history could have been much much different. But that is another story. We still have our testicles, thank you very much, we also have scars from previous wars against the arabs and turks (and we only won a few of a long series) and have learned that diplomacy works better than war when dealing with a culture that makes "immolation in war" as perhaps the only way to win a ticket to heaven. And before you think I refer to the Crusades alone, look up the "naval battle of Lepanto" or simply read of the history of naval expeditions of the Republics of Genoa and Venice, or by the Knights of Malta, against the ottoman Turks and Saracen pirates. Or of Spain's questo to drive out the Moors and gain independence. Incidentally, read the Pope's statements on respect and tolerance; while he doesn not invoke war, he also said "If someone insults my mother, he should not be surprised if I punch him in the face". So a reaction is justified and to be expected. Too much of a reaction is an overreaction, and, as of late, you guys have quite a reputation in overreacting... |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by mpescatori on 01/16/15 at 04:33:17 "Perhaps I should travel to a Country, Let’s say Italy. And then DEMAND, that the, Values, Thoughts, Ideas, FROM, the country I come from, be applied in THAT Country !" This is exactly what has been going for the last 50 years, kind sir. Starting with Coca Cola, Pepsi and Fanta (thankfully Root Beer was refused and classified as a toilet cleaner ;) ) Jeans... many dress fads and music styles (rap and wearing trousers 5 sizes too large very loose around your butt... not to mention sweatshirts with double hoods...) We have (alas !) McDonalds, Burger King (which isn't so bad after all) and KFC (in Northern Europe mostly) and many regional dishes have all but dissappeared in the last 30 years or so... ...to make way for the Halloween pumpkin :o or the XMas turkey (we always had roast beef, roast pork or lamb...) Please tell me what is the last film you saw at the movies which was a 100% European movie, or what book you read recently which was by a European author, please tell me what food you ate recently which was 100% originaol European recipe (incidentally, "Pasta Alfredo" "Pepperoni Pizza and "Chicken Pesto" are three crimes against humanity, and do not exist across the ocean other than for those places who cater to the easily disoriented overseas tourist...) Is THIS your idea of "culture" ? http://https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4e/f8/d3/4ef8d3db0f00dcf5f3195cae77260ed1.jpg http://themoderatevoice.com/wp-content/uploads/caglecartoons11/70003_600.jpg Next time you want to call someone "demasculated", read the ingredients in your "Diet-whatever" salad dressing and see how much olive oil is in there... and how much nondescript "vegetable oil" is in there... It's palm oil, gentlemen... we use it as diesel fuel replacement... and you actually eat it ? :P |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by WebsterMark on 01/16/15 at 08:05:35 Next time you want to call someone "demasculated", read the ingredients in your "Diet-whatever" salad dressing and see how much olive oil is in there... and how much nondescript "vegetable oil" is in there... Seriously?..... that's your retort to being labeled ball-less..... to proudly exclaim the amount of olive oil in your dressing?... Yea, okay.... I stand by what I said; any variation of the phrase 'the asked for it' is evidence the Islamic Fascists are winning. Which by the way, is the name we need to refer to 'them' as. Sure, i get the phrase "Not all Germans were Nazi's, but all Nazi's were Germans" and I know not all Muslims are terrorist, but all the recent terrorist attacks of any concern were carried out by Muslims so let's call a spade a spade. |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by Paraquat on 01/16/15 at 11:03:33 What McDonald's has pizza? --Steve |
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Title: Re: Conflicted.....input appreciated Post by MnSpring on 01/16/15 at 16:23:40 Quote:
No, it’s not. And I didn’t have anything to do with it. I don’t need to consume 1-1/2 days worth of calories, in one fast food meal. When on the road, I look for a ’Subway’ for a fast meal. I simply do NOT, spend money at those places. That is, MY Choice. I Don't tell them, 'they cannot exist'. When in Denmark, when politely told, "don't put buts in beer bottles". I did NOT Say: "You Will Do As, I WANT you To Do'. I simply did what was the, 'local' custom. I do NOT, tell them, they cannot serve Bacon or Ham. I do NOT, tell someone, they can not put a package of Bacon, on the supermarket, 'belt'. (Because it, 'offends' them). A Suggestion: Go to one of those, 'fast food', places, Stand outside with a sign: “Don’t Eat Hear , Because …” See how long you get to do that, in Italy. Next, record the people that eat their, (Because without people eating their, they would not exist) And tell them, what, YOU, want. Bottom line. Their is NO, excuse for: ‘… they asked for it …’. Anywhere, Anyplace ! In ANY Form !!!!!!! Islamic Fascists are, Islamic Fascists, No matter HOW MANY Azz’s one Kisses ! |
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