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Title: For the LEFT Post by pg on 11/27/15 at 16:05:36 You are much closer to the socialist paradise you so passionately describe and defend. If we are so fortunate to maintain the course: There is no rich to tax, they already created a one tiered lower class society. That should be satisfactory because no one has more than anyone else and everything is always kept on a level playing field. The government "represses nearly all forms of political dissent"; although, you may be delighted to hear that because no more fair & balanced news. Just think no Obama Care, you get the real deal. The government operates a national health system and assumes fiscal and administrative responsibility for the health care of all its citizens. There are no private hospitals or clinics as all health services are government-run. Its birth rate (9.88 births per thousand population in 2006) is one of the lowest in western hemisphere. There is also unrestricted legal access to abortion. This may not necessarily be a bad thing because there will be less human expansion of the "greenhouse effect". They even had the foresight to protect the environment. Last but not least, no fire arms allowed. I think by now you know what country I’m talking about, this is Cuba. Is this the socialist paradise you are in search of? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by Serowbot on 11/27/15 at 17:16:04 Try Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, United Kingdom and Sweden..... "According to the Index, the freest nations in the world are, in order: Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, United Kingdom and Sweden. The United States is the only English-speaking country to rank outside the top 10." |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by pg on 11/27/15 at 18:02:24 According to the Index, the freest nations in the world are Please elaborate on the criteria in which freest is defined? Also, what index are you referring to? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by MnSpring on 11/27/15 at 18:16:52 Well Well, Nirvana it is then, for the, ‘Left’. However, Nirvana, is often hard to get to. “ Visas in Cuba are generally short-term. The only way you can become a permanent resident is if you marry a Cuban citizen. Even then, it takes a several months to process, and you also have to prove your funds.” “ Because of the strict state control, Cuba is very contained and it is difficult to immigrate there.” Un like, a Person, coming from, Cuba, to the U.S.A.: “ One who makes it to shore ("dry feet") gets a chance to remain in the United States, and would qualify for expedited “legal permanent resident” status “ So. Such a small thing to do, to find/live in, Nirvana. Get a Visa. Find a Woman, (guessing you are a Man, or if a Woman, find a Man). Get Married. Give up any money you brought with. (That you PROVED you, ‘HAD’.) But it’s all worth it. ALL the things you wanted, in ONE Package ! Now, ‘sneak’ into Cuba. And get all the, Nirvana like benefits, ???? Not sure what would happen. Just guessing, it would be very similar to, ‘Sneaking’, into, Mexico. (But of course, Mexico, is NOT, Nirvana, like Cuba is). |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by MnSpring on 11/27/15 at 18:34:22 Quote:
In those Countries you site; OK, Then, what would be the Equivalent, of the 1st Amendment then? That’s right, no need for it, because the Government is Perfect. OK then, on to the 2nd Amendment ? Oh, never mind, forgot, their is NO CRIME, NO Criminals, NO people that want to do others harm, in those countries. Their are NO, Clubs, Chains, Knives, etc. OK, let;’s look at the 4th, Amendment. Oh, Yea, Forgot; “The Greater Good”. etc’ etc’ etc., Their is ONE, “Switzerland”. But WAIT !, How can that be? The Citizens their, HAVE, Firearms ? Must have been a, ’Typo’, or a, ‘Auto Spell’, check !!!! |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by HovisPresley on 11/27/15 at 20:57:40 As for Switzerland, there's a law which says you should have a rifle in the house. Think of the adult males as being potentially 'reservists'. This law is not enforced. I hate to say it but I've stayed in several houses (with locals) at least 3 times in Bern and Zurich. No firearms....they laughed. It seems that the older generation and farmers are the only civilians to actually have guns, despite the requirement. They don't have 'shootings' or wars much either. So Switzerland wasn't another typo.... Which brings me on nicely to Cuba, which has one of the highest literacy rates in the world..... PS. I met the Cuban ambassador to Ireland once....but that's another story :D |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by Serowbot on 11/27/15 at 21:58:58 7B6C6A6669790B0 wrote:
I don't have the link... but, it came came from Breitbart... Is that ironic?, |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by pg on 11/28/15 at 09:41:44 Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, United Kingdom and Sweden..... Hong Kong should fit in with the left as it was absorbed by communist China. What is the effective taxation rate of the European countries? What percentage of every Euro do they get to keep? Perhaps 3 for every 10 earned? Hovis: Is the UK a Socialist Paradise? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by HovisPresley on 11/28/15 at 09:49:36 @pg, no, the UK has a right wing government |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by MnSpring on 11/28/15 at 16:38:08 5D7A637C664567706679706C150 wrote:
Really? Then, why BAN, Guns ? Why, Ban Hunting ? Why Ban, self Defense? Oh, I got it now, You are, ’TOLD’ what to do, by the, Queen. Is that like: The, Speakers’ Corner, in Hyde Park , in the UK. (and other places). Where, Speakers their may talk on any subject, "as long as the police consider their speeches lawful”. Sounds good, BUT it Depends on, ( “ WHAT THAT “, particular , Police man/women’s, views are, concerning, ‘Lawful’.) Depends on, what, ’That’ ONE person, decides, biased on that, ‘ONE PERSONS, Views. (Or, what that, ‘ONE PERSON, is, ’TOLD”, what their, ‘VIEWS are GOING TO BE”) ! Technically, their is, “ there is no immunity from the law, BUT, What IS, the Law ?????? Their is NO, Definition of, ‘Lawful” !!!!!!!!! Their is, NO, explanation of, ‘what’, a, ‘Subject’, can or cannot say in the UK. It is strictly, upon, ‘interruption’ of, ‘ONE person’, (Another ‘Subject’), who views may be different. (And in, MANY, other, Countries, ’speaking’, YOUR, views, will get you, ‘disappeared’ !) In ’92, in the UK the Conservative Party where John Major took his campaign onto the streets, delivering many addresses from an upturned soapbox. and WON, in excess of 14 million votes, from the Subjects, in the highest popular vote for a political party in a British general election. Perhaps, those, ‘Particular’, ‘Police’, were simpatico, to what was said? What would have happened, if the, ‘Police’, were, ‘Progressive’, (Liberal here). ??????? Yep, Work to, BAN, Fox hunting by Horse back. Take AWAY, the individual right to have Firearms. Yet, WELCOME, ALL, ‘Refuges’. A-Yep, that is REALLY gonna make you safe and secure ! In the UK, What was that, that, ‘Chamberlain’, said in the late 1930’s. ? A Quote, from a, British, Subject. Named, Ben Franklin. “Give up, FREEDOM, for the sake of, Security, you will have, NEITHER” Un Like, ‘Count Rumford’, who was, ‘loyal’ to the ‘crown’. ! Both were, ‘Buddies’. Both developed Unique, and more efficient ways of heating a house. (For that time) One a Stove, one a Fireplace. BOTH, were Colonists. Yet ONE, Chose, FREEDOM, and another chose to be a, ’Subject’. |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by HovisPresley on 11/28/15 at 16:55:07 We have a right wing (Conservative) government. Not all guns are banned. Self-defence is allowed. Hunting is allowed, you can shoot anything from deer to pheasant to rabbit, depending. The Queen is a figure-head only, the royal family famously enjoy hunting. Have you been to Speakers Corner? You'd love it ;) |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by pg on 11/29/15 at 15:10:35 567168776D4E6C7B6D727B671E0 wrote:
On occasion I used to watch the House of Commons. That was pretty entertaining! :-/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by MnSpring on 11/29/15 at 17:18:56 74534A554F6C4E594F5059453C0 wrote:
“ … Not all guns are banned. “ Nope only, ANY, means of a ’Self Defense’, firearm. Mostly Shotguns are allowed. LIMITED to 2 shots, ONLY. (When I had the Gun Shop, a group of UK people come in, and they wanted the then, “New’ Rem 11-87, BUT. It had to be ONLY, 2 shots. So we had to modify, weld the Magazines, to ONLY hold ONE shell, before we could, export.) “ … Self-defense is allowed. …” What is that in the UK, a, Whistle’ ? So the Police know where to go, to investigate the, ‘Murder” ? Let’s see, a 100 pound Woman, run’s into a 200 pound man. The Man wants to ‘rape’, her. Her, Defense is, A Whistle ??????? Now, the, ’reporting’, stats, are Different. In the UK, ‘reporting’, ‘RAPE”, is ONLY, Male raping a Female. In the USA, it is, M/F, F/M, M/M, F/F, and Prisons, M/M, F/F, M/F, F/M. Comparing apples to apples, Statics: 1 in 200 Women are RAPED, in the UK, Each Year. Yet in the USA it is 0.5 per, 1000 per year. (of M/F) (You do the Math) Look at, Violent Crime: USA, 470 per 1,000. UK 2,050 per 1,000. Yep, ‘Gun’s’ is higher in the USA, but take away, ‘Firearms’, the CRIME/Assault, is STILL Their, Just a different, ’thing’ used. “ … Hunting is allowed, you can shoot anything from deer to pheasant to rabbit, depending. …” Yea, a LOT, of, ‘depending’. ! A Whole, Lot of, “ Depending”. I have been, ‘Hunting’ in the UK. And it is NOT, EVEN, REMOTELY CLOSE. “ … The Queen is a figure-head only, the royal family famously enjoy hunting. …” I wonder of the, Queen and, Court, can Still Fox Hunt. ???????? How about, ‘you’, Or did Tony Blair take care of that ? And do you think the, ‘Queen and/or, Court, can, ‘Hunt’ in a way, or for a species, that, ‘YOU’ can not ? Speaking of the, “Queen’, What about the WEEKLY, Meeting between the Queen and the P.M. ? Well Known meeting. EVERONE, Knows about, that, meeting. But the, ‘words said’, in that, ‘meeting’ are held in, ULTRA- Secret! Just thinking, if it was the P.M., telling the Queen, what is happening. No need for, ’Secrecy’, Yet if it was the, Queen/ Monarchic, telling the P.M. what to do. Could be quite a different story. ‘ eh? “ … Have you been to Speakers Corner? …” Yep, 3 times. 2 times on first trip, 1 time second trip. 1st trip, 2nd time, I, ‘engaged’, the Speaker. ( I was, ‘called out’ as a, ‘Yank’. Not to hard of a profile, BB cap, Tennis Shoes, Quilted down Jacket) And when the, ’Speaker, talked, GARBAGE, about the ‘Yanks’, and their Country’. I responded, ’to things he knew NOTHING, about’, and after 5 minuets, he, STOPPED, responding. Because he, KNEW, he was, just, SPEWING, Garbage Talk. Oh, BTY, What kind of, ‘box’, do you use, when you, ’speak’, at, Hyde Park ? |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by HovisPresley on 11/29/15 at 18:16:21 Your first sentence is illegible. "Nope only, ANY, means of a ’Self Defense’, firearm." Then, a whistle? What's all that about? A reference with your violent crime comparison would be nice. The "depending" word was used because it depends who and where it is. Common sense, really. Even for a firearms safety instructor: "Who"....because we try not to let anyone with a criminal or mental health record have a gun. "Where" because it could be on your own land, public land, it could be on an country estate, etc, etc. It depends. Hunting in the UK? Here you can shoot foxes, deer, rabbits, pheasant and other animals legally. You can even fox hunt on horseback, using packs of beagles, in parts of the UK, legally. You may have been hunting in the UK, but you know very little of the subject. If I'm "not even remotely close", then tell us all. If the Queen and the PM get together once a week, do you think that she tells him what to do ;D I bet they also talk about their favourite James Bond ::) Or maybe she kneels down in front of him.....like Monica and Bill ;D :-[ |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by pg on 03/12/16 at 17:06:02 495E58545B4B390 wrote:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfw5uOWh2vM[/media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfw5uOWh2vM Bernie likes it. :-? For the left -- why is their a fundamental need to transform society? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/12/16 at 22:05:03 You must've missed the last time I asked the lefties to describe what society will look like when the necessary changes have been made. IF your team just won the Championship, AND you're hopping around, cheering We are Number One! Then, why would you NEED Fundamental Change? Yet, Obama DID Promise, and DELIVER Fundamental Change. The Direction OF those changes is consistent with what we have all been watching for decades. The SPEED of the changes is increasing and the Degree of the impact on our lives is increasing, AND the Time between Adopting a Policy And The obvious negative impact on our lives is Decreasing. Anyone have any FACTS that would somehow make that inaccurate? |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by jcstokes on 03/12/16 at 22:57:57 New Zealand has been largely governed by a somewhat centre right party since I was born in 1949. The somewhat centre left party gets in now and again. In the early 1970's, the somewhat centre left party gave me tax rebates on overtime and superannuation contributions. In the late 'seventies, the somewhat centre right government put me in my own home, with a government loan and in 1981 gave me a tax rebate on mortgage interest. In 1984, the centre left party embraced the principles of "Neo Liberalism?" and jobs, including mine began to disappear, the currency was floated and consumers could get second hand Japanese import cars real cheap. The local car assembly industry disappeared within five to seven years. In 1991 the somewhat centre right government "Neo Liberal", introduced an act which significantly reduce the strength of the trade union movement. Highly qualified foreign immigrants began to arrive along with the not so highly qualified'. All in the name of "Free Markets". "Neo Liberalism" was a little watered down in 2004 with the election of a somewhat centre left coalition government, and possibly has regrown slightly since the re election of the somewhat centre right coalition in 2011. Yes we are one of the "freeest" places to do business in the world, our health and education systems are the envy of many countries, except some in western Europe and possibly Japan. Home ownership rates, which in many ways are the cornerstone of a western style democracy, have fallen dramatically since the 1980's and buying a house in a major city is now far beyond the repayment ability of the working and lower middle classes. However consumer electronics, white ware and cars are cheap as chips, we are supposedly free. Dear Americans, try getting a pistol licence in New Zealand, two years membership of a pistol or gun club, who will say you are suitable to own one. A police interview with your wife or partner, if you have one, then endless paper work and fees. This doesn't stop the crims getting pistols or assault rifles as the poor benighted police proved when they busted a P /ice operation this week. Four of them took gunshot wounds in a separate incident The point of this drivel. In New Zealand we are "free", but at a price, unaffordable housing in our major cities, decimated manufacturing, weak unions, a small amount of racial tension, poor wages. We do, however, have some right, depending on gender and social class, to throw plastic dildo's at senior politicians, and to award senior politicians "Dork of the Year?" awards with a free plastic dildo. |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/12/16 at 23:33:17 free plastic dildo. I guess, since it IS a free country, you can't toss a wooden up there. That Could be thought of as a Wood pecker. And, a solid left-wing judge could possibly find a form of copyright infringement, re, Woody Woodpecker. |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by jcstokes on 03/13/16 at 00:51:10 A wooden one could be difficult JOG2, if it injured the politician, he could have a claim for accident compensation. New Zealand accident compensation, defeats much of the American idea of suing people. |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/13/16 at 23:18:31 HE? |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by jcstokes on 03/14/16 at 01:44:04 Yes JOG2 accident compensation would apply to male, female or transgendered people, but not to animal mineral or vegetable, you cannot include live politicians in the animal, mineral or vegetable category, despite what many would believe. |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/16 at 04:27:57 Just call me JOG, thanks. I can't envision tossing a dildo towards a guy, well, maybe one or two, but I would not toss it at a man who has not been wearing a skirt. Still don't quite grasp the law, there. But, it's okay. I'm betting im never arrested in New Zealand. |
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Title: Re: For the LEFT Post by jcstokes on 03/14/16 at 12:57:47 JOG, it was a woman who threw the dildo, and she was never charged with any offence. The same woman subsequently presented another cabinet minister with a dildo, I'm not quite sure wether he accepted it. A man who threw a mixture of flour and coco at another cabinet minister was arrested and charged. Dildos bounce off, flour and coco stick like shiest to a suit. |
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