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Title: Against Trump Post by WebsterMark on 02/16/16 at 11:29:28 I was never a Trump fan, but I would have voted for him if he as the guy, but no more. I'm done with him. Blaming Bush for 9/11 told me he'd throw anyone under the bus to save himself. I dont believe he'd ever intentionally hurt the nation like obama, but Trump could unintentionally do far worse. Besides, I could never trust him with court picks. Bye-bye Donald. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 02/16/16 at 12:32:28 Trump back off on that already this on Good Morning America this morning. Again, bluster for effect only - it got him lots of press time. Remember he's financing his own campaign and doesn't have any PACs throwing money his way. Truthfully, both Clinton before him, and Bush had lots of intelligence, warning about bin Laden. During Clinton's time, one sniper had bin Laden in his sights, and was on his satellite phone to get the OK to pull the trigger. Permission was denied by the Pentagon. I am a GWB fan, but no one is perfect - we could have gotten bin Laden well before 9/11, but no one got serious about the intel warnings. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/16/16 at 13:44:27 I know how few are REALLY paying attention, but I do. And I REMEMBER things that others don't. And it's made connecting dots easier. August 2001 - Minnesota FBI agents are refused permission, by their Washington office, to obtain a search warrant for Moussaoui's computer. Really? Why? We can Waterboard someone who is Not convicted of anything,but, ohh, to search the computer of someone who Was On the Radar? Ohh, heaven forbid. I guess I'm the only one who remembers the puzzled look on the face of the secret service agents as they were pulled away from JFKs car moments before the shots were fired. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 02/16/16 at 13:47:43 JOG - Please show us a picture of the agents with that look on their faces. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by verslagen1 on 02/16/16 at 15:04:22 655750414657407F534059320 wrote:
devil opposed to Hellery. and his threats to sue Cruz cause now he is a threat... and he lies. pot calling the kettle black (is that pc?) |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by pg on 02/16/16 at 15:12:36 505F5359525F54585F485D5F483A0 wrote:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8[/media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8 Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by WebsterMark on 02/16/16 at 16:35:50 6A65696368656E626572676572000 wrote:
If I thought this was all part of the plan, I'd be all in for him cause that would show an amazing talent, but that isn't the case in my opinion. He's not the guy to lead us back from the brink. I wish he were, I really do. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/16/16 at 16:52:05 Man I respect Jerry E. but when I saw Trump throw a temper tantrum with threats of lawsuits, and 3rd party candidacy, if he doesn't get his way, well, I was aghast. Presently Sanders is drawing my attention. I am not afraid of the socialist tag, they try to hang on him. I think his ideas have merit, and possibilities, how we get there, is the question. It won't be easy, and of course those who have the greatest power and wealth, will be kicking and screaming. However, again, this system is not working and the cliff draws ever closer. This country has some great enterprising, and entrepreneurship minds, among them, we can do better, for all. We will have to have accountability, and say no, to those who refuse to take responsibility, but pave the way for those who can, and will, thrive and contribute, to the betterment of all. We can take some of the chance, of birth and circumstance, out of succeeding in life, by offering real opportunity to all. Lets build up, lord knows we have torn down way too much already, and we have only ourselves to blame >:( |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/16/16 at 17:19:46 717E7278737E75797E697C7E691B0 wrote:
Thank You, PG,, That help you any, Jerry? Maybe that will be sufficient for JUST ONE PERSON to stop just dismissing what I say as the rantings of a Conspiracy Theorist , a phrase concocted after the murder of JFK, to discredit people who think for themselves rather than just swallow the oFISHYal story. n 1967, the CIA Created the Label "Conspiracy Theorists" ... to ... Zero Hedge › news › 1967-he-cia-create... Feb 23, 2015 - The CIA Coined the Term Conspiracy Theorist In 1967 That all changed in the 1960s. Specifically, in ... CIA Invention of the Phrase, 'Conspiracy Theory' to Block ... beforeitsnews.com › 2013/07 › cia-inven... Jul 17, 2013 - “The CIA's campaign to popularize the term 'conspiracy theory' and make conspiracy belief a target of ... CIA conspiracy operations are confirmed in CIA's own report ... www.intrepidreport.com › archives Apr 24, 2014 - (WMR)—It is now well-known that the CIA concocted the term “conspiracy theory” to defame those who ... The CIA Keeps (Accidentally) Legitimizing JFK Conspiracy ... Esquire › news-politics › politics › news Oct 7, 2015 - Now we learn that the CIA chief at the time did all he could to bury "incendiary" information. ... It was to concoct fictions and diversions, most devoted to bureaucratic ass-covering. The education system was SABOTAGED. The NEWS is propaganda and used to Manufacture Consent Look it up. The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national Understand that people are manipulating society to accomplish an end. It's been camouflaged, painted sweet, loving, rainbow colors and named good things, like compassion and caring and progressive. And we've been herded down the path, approaching the cliff. The so called Money we carry? Counterfeit. The Education System that was broken? WHEN it was Declared BROKEN, America was LEADING THE WORLD in everything. So, what was so broken? And when they said Here, we will Fix it. It started downhill. Did they UNDO what they had Done to FIX IT? FiretrUCK, NO! They just went on making Necessary Adjustments. Ohh, lookie,, now, we spend more per pupil and come in about THIRTIETH in the world.. OOPSIES,, |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 02/17/16 at 13:15:34 Raydawg - I cannot understand how any thinking person can be a Sanders supporter. first, he's a one issue candidate - trying to insure that we all live in an equal state of mediocrity. He is clueless about foreign policy, military matters, macro economics, and a dozen other subjects that a POTUS should be a least conversant about. His idea of free college is absurd. Paying for it with a transaction tax on financial deals - a 15 year old knows more about finance than does Bernie. Bernie and Jane are leftovers from the hippie generation of the 1960s, and they still think like hippies, and Jane still looks like one. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/16 at 13:28:52 6A65696368656E626572676572000 wrote:
Every Bit of that Plus HE believes in Mandatory Vaccination. Even IF you can prove that they are 100% Safe and Effective, that is tyrannical. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Serowbot on 02/17/16 at 16:15:03 5D525E545F5259555245505245370 wrote:
Funny,... I feel the same way about Trump... :-/ Might as well vote for a Kardashian... ::) |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/16 at 16:49:25 6573647961747962160 wrote:
Funny,... I feel the same way about Trump... :-/ Might as well vote for a Kardashian... ::) [/quote] You didn't explain why. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Serowbot on 02/17/16 at 17:26:56 332C2A2D30370636063E2C206B590 wrote:
???... :-?... ??? JOG,.. go take the IQ test in the Cafe'... I need proof of brain activity... http://api.ning.com/files/vrQldbUtCmSddPy1WFqfjfKwM6QhnHPjRzuOzzNdQhJLnTHB99DGlHFWeA6XpQCSKIvmA9PaqfLS0J4gtXI2GQpOavtvSg-w/seriously.jpg?width=500&height=375 http://www.dw.com/image/0,,18712858_401,00.jpg |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/17/16 at 17:52:15 I understand what Sanders "represents" to the opposition. Is he not allowed the same "campaigning" liberties you are extending to Trump? His support in at a grassroots level, not BIG backers like many. I understand his ideas have a cost, but I also understand he alone can not make it happen. I am just tired of the SOS and am willing to give something else a try. I won't decide until later after all the carnival shows have subsided and we can get some real debate and feedback. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/16 at 17:55:50 6076617C64717C67130 wrote:
???... :-?... ??? JOG,.. go take the IQ test in the Cafe'... I need proof of brain activity... http://api.ning.com/files/vrQldbUtCmSddPy1WFqfjfKwM6QhnHPjRzuOzzNdQhJLnTHB99DGlHFWeA6XpQCSKIvmA9PaqfLS0J4gtXI2GQpOavtvSg-w/seriously.jpg?width=500&height=375 http://www.dw.com/image/0,,18712858_401,00.jpg[/quote] Not an explanation. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by WebsterMark on 02/24/16 at 05:12:53 If Kasich and Carson don't drop out this week, how is Trump not going to be nominee? If he wins the next two weeks, it's over. If anyone's waiting to play a card that can seriously wound him, they might want to play it now. I was in a manufacturing facility in Nebraska yesterday. I heard three different conversations going on as I walked around the plant and all were about politics and Trump in particular. All three were supportive of trump. The question is, is there enough people like that to overcome the masses in the inner cities who will line up and vote D because they think that's what they're supposed to do? Personally, I think Trump would make a terrible president, but on the other hand I think I'd really love to watch the fireworks from the pu$$yfied left when he takes office. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by pg on 02/24/16 at 05:17:44 754740515647506F435049220 wrote:
Does the RNC have super-delegates as well. I don't know, just inquiring? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 02/24/16 at 06:13:11 I think Trump will make a terrific POTUS. Smart as anyone can be, and surrounds himself with like genius minds. Without an Obama type candidate, I doubt you'll see masses of inner city voters. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by old.indian on 02/24/16 at 08:09:59 68676B616A676C606770656770020 wrote:
Jerry, You are forgetting the power of inner city "political machines". When I lived in Massachusetts during the general election there was often only one candidate on the ballot for many federal, state and local offices. In many inner cities (Chicago etc.) many districts have 100% voter turn outs ;) too. As the old (Boston) saying goes... "Vote Early and Vote Often"... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 02/24/16 at 08:13:52 You may well be correct about the "machine cities" like Boston, NYC and Chicago. I was referring to cities like my own, Columbus, OH and similar where, in the last 2 elections, we had ACORN buses hauling inner city folks to the polls. I doubt we'll see that this time around; but who knows? |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Serowbot on 02/24/16 at 08:35:59 At this point, it will be a historic anomaly for anyone other than Trump to be the Republican nominee... An arrogant, out of touch, silver spoon, billionaire from New England, formerly quite liberal, recently flip-flopped Conservative. Mitt Romney 2.o... with extra expletives... This is going to go so well... ::) |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 02/24/16 at 08:43:36 Bot - What I think will be interesting will be when people see the calmed down, business like Trump after he ( hopefully ) gets the nomination. Most of what we've seen so far has been the showman, using the media for exposure and effect. He said last week that he is $45 Million under budget because he hasn't had to spend money buying TV time, since he gets so much free exposure from the talking heads and the news media. My daughter is his campaign chair for our county, and in private and in working groups, he isn't the bombast that you've seen on TV. I know it's hard to believe, but he is also quite humble, one-on-one. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Serowbot on 02/24/16 at 08:50:02 You're counting on a metamorphosis into the man you wish he was?... That's some faith... Reminds me of the brides that marry a "fixer upper"... ;D Some things can't be unsaid... and Trump has said plenty... |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/24/16 at 10:27:44 2137203D25303D26520 wrote:
Ain't that hard to understand, just use the same reasoning why you will vote for Hillary is she wins the party [ch128541] That person morphs more than trump ever has.....DAILY ;D |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by pg on 02/24/16 at 15:54:22 6472657860757863170 wrote:
I can't say out of touch is an appropriate description, he did get 45.9% of the Nevada caucus. Regarding the flip-flop accusations, can someone elaborate? I hear that from time to time; although, I haven't seen anything other than hearsay. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Serowbot on 02/24/16 at 16:12:10 1304020E0111630 wrote:
Turned a virtual 180' on nearly every issue... Healthcare, guns, abortion, the economy, taxes, immigration, and Hillary,... I can buy that a person might have a change of heart on an issue... ...but, not every issue... ::) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUCLwWCihE [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUCLwWCihE[/media] |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/24/16 at 17:24:31 Gotta agree, no idea Where Trump will take us..But, I KNOW what Hillary will do, so, no way I vote for her. Berny, MAYBE, if for no other reason than to LET THE LEFT WIN, and then, like so many others I try to help, won't listen, gotta watch them crash and burn a few times, Then they start to listen.. So, let's just Let Berny Bern it to the ground. Start over. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by pg on 02/24/16 at 17:32:13 7462756870656873070 wrote:
Yeah, that was a lot more than I was expecting. Even more surprising, why haven't the other candidates used this to their advantage more? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by verslagen1 on 02/25/16 at 10:33:50 He's a RINO, he appears to be SATGE, but really he's all for hellery. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by LostArtist on 02/25/16 at 16:03:11 Jerry, you're bumming me out, I'd have never thought that YOU"D be a Trump supporter. I know it's a nice idea and it's a great soundbite. But government does NOT run like a business, the Constitution insures that. The President ISN'T a CEO. I don't know, lately Trump has been a lot less bombastic than when he started, but the racist and fascist undertones of his campaign are still very worrisome. If Trump and be less of an @ss and actually say something substantive for once that'd be a good start, but he's been running for 10 months, still haven't heard him say anything yet even though he has taken up the most air time of any candidate by far, his language has been evaluated, he speaks at a 4th grade level, do you want a 4th grader running the country? Bernie is very very head in the clouds, dreaming, not nearly as scary as conservatives make him out to be Clinton is Clinton, blah but meh, maybe a bit dangerous as far as being too hawkish, but nothing will really change with her vs now. Maybe another war Rubio is a tool, Cruz is scary as f!!!!!, not so much because of his policies, but because of his no compromise, let it shut down weasel attitude. Kasich I kinda like but he's not getting any traction Gary Johnson is still the best option out there, but he's 3rd party so he'll never win, won't even be in the debates. and that's how I see it, maybe I'm wrong |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/16 at 17:00:14 SATGE? |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by old.indian on 02/25/16 at 17:35:52 LostArtist: I have spoken with many long term/ life long New Mexico residents whos' political views vary across the political spectrum. Their opinions of Mr. Johnson,s term in office here range from corrupt to incompetent to unprintable. NONE had any thing positive to say..... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/16 at 17:54:54 Sucky, suckier, suckiest. Elect your choice. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by oldNslow on 02/25/16 at 18:05:16 Quote:
That's too bad. A lot of what he says must go right over the heads of most voters. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by LostArtist on 02/25/16 at 18:43:23 4C4F470D4A4D474A424D230 wrote:
huh, guess there's another side I haven't seen that though, but I can imagine how a truly libertarian belief system can lead to those conclusions, I'll need to do more research into Gary Johnson now. Thanks for the clue |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/16 at 18:51:37 ruz is scary as f!!!!!, not so much because of his policies, but because of his no compromise, let it shut down weasel attitude. Uncompromising on principle is part of what a real man is. Eight outta ten of us voted. We have decided to eat your right leg. But, we Are willing to compromise. We Might be convinced to just take it at the knee. Get it? |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by LostArtist on 02/25/16 at 19:15:34 081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620 wrote:
understand I didn't say the word "principle" for a reason, it seems to me that Cruz is more uncompromising for political gain than any actual principle, oh, and if you have a principle that is stupid, like on principle you believe that the sky is pink, does it make you more of a man to not compromise because you are stupid? Cruz's shut down the government against Obamacare was stupid, OBAMA WAS STILL IN OFFICE, that idea isn't going anywhere, Cruz was only making a political statement, you are fool if you believe other wise. I'm sure Cruz is against Obamacare, but he cant' be stupid enough to believe that a Democratic Congress and Obama himself, would let that action actually pass into law. It was all a political play to get himself some attention, it worked for that and that alone. you can take your macho man uncompromising attitude and shove it. Cruz's only saving grace is that he is actually intelligent and doesn't talk like a 4th grader |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/16 at 20:35:47 You don't understand the terms, making discourse impossible. Look up Principle |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by LostArtist on 02/25/16 at 20:54:13 6C7375726F6859695961737F34060 wrote:
it doesn't matter, I DON"T LIKE CRUZ, he's a weasel, he's proven that he puts politics and glory seeking above reality. I can't trust a man like that. I admit my "sky is pink" example wasn't good, sorry for that but it still doesn't matter I said enough words for you to get the point, you ignore it because you'd rather focus on my mistake instead of my point. I don't believe that Cruz stands on principle, he stands on how to advance himself in politics, and he's a whiner. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/26/16 at 03:57:41 63405C5B6E5D5B465C5B2F0 wrote:
it doesn't matter, I DON"T LIKE CRUZ, he's a weasel, he's proven that he puts politics and glory seeking above reality. I can't trust a man like that. I admit my "sky is pink" example wasn't good, sorry for that but it still doesn't matter I said enough words for you to get the point, you ignore it because you'd rather focus on my mistake instead of my point. I don't believe that Cruz stands on principle, he stands on how to advance himself in politics, and he's a whiner. [/quote] Assume much? |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Serowbot on 02/26/16 at 07:17:47 prin·ci·pled [ch712]prins[ch601]p[ch601]ld/ adjective adjective: principled 1. (of a person or their behavior) acting in accordance with morality and showing recognition of right and wrong. "a principled politician" synonyms: moral, ethical, virtuous, righteous, upright, upstanding, high-minded, honorable, honest, incorruptible After being called out multiple times for deceptive attack ads,... I hardly think so... Cruz is slimy... |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by old.indian on 02/26/16 at 08:02:44 As an "Independent", I find it extremely disconcerting that the GOP candidates are spending most of their time and energy fighting each other instead of speaking of the various issues of concern and how they, if elected, would deal with said issues. To be truthful, they often resemble a group of spoiled, un-supervised little kids fighting in a playground mud puddle..... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/26/16 at 08:10:12 Principles....... "That's what they paid me" ::) |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by verslagen1 on 02/26/16 at 08:13:55 7D6264637E7948784870626E25170 wrote:
SayAnythingToGetElected some politicians embrace the tactic, others live by it. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Serowbot on 02/26/16 at 08:25:51 7B687F7E616C6A68633C0D0 wrote:
SayAnythingToGetElected[/quote] Thanks for clearing that up... I had no clue... (Must be an Alex Jones thing)...:-? |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by LostArtist on 02/26/16 at 08:32:42 I"m not sure what's worse SATGE or Say Anything To Get Attention, which is what the Republican presidential candidates are doing this year. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/26/16 at 10:40:05 564552534C4147454E11200 wrote:
SayAnythingToGetElected some politicians embrace the tactic, others live by it.[/quote] No, no, no...... Didn't you hear, it's only repubs that do ::) |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by LostArtist on 02/26/16 at 13:07:55 2E3D25383D2B3B5C0 wrote:
SayAnythingToGetElected some politicians embrace the tactic, others live by it.[/quote] No, no, no...... Didn't you hear, it's only repubs that do ::) [/quote] no, Clinton is pretty good at it, she's been doing it for her whole life, Bernie does it from time to time, but not nearly as much as others, Trump had the hang of it, but I think he's losing it, Christie definitely did it, Rubio does it pretty well, Carson doesn't do it well at all, Kasich does it, but only to walls, Cruz takes it a step further and pays for direct mail flyers about it |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by oldNslow on 02/26/16 at 13:23:47 Quote:
The astonishing thing about Trump is that according to the experts and pundits most of the SATGE things he is saying is stuff nobody should be saying if they expect to have any chance to win. Yet he seems to be winning. Maybe the "experts and pundits" aren't all that smart ;). |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 02/26/16 at 13:50:42 What is everyone's thinking about whether Christie's endorsement today gives Trump a big boost? |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by LostArtist on 02/26/16 at 14:58:54 09060A000B060D010611040611630 wrote:
only if Trump was running as a Democrat, Maybe Obama should go give Trump a big hug while Christie's at it |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by oldNslow on 02/26/16 at 15:18:56 242B272D262B202C2B3C292B3C4E0 wrote:
I don't think it either helps or hurts Trump's chances, mostly because I don't really think Trump needs that kind of help. It could be extraordinarily helpful to Christie though, if he has any ambitions beyond remaining the governor of NJ. I can see Trump -assuming he is elected - offering Christie the Attorney General post. I doubt that picking him for VP is in the cards. That would be more likely to hurt than help. In fact, should Trump become the republican candidate, I'd be surprised if his VP pick was anyone that was or is still vying for the nomination. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by thumperclone on 02/26/16 at 15:22:34 737C707A717C777B7C6B7E7C6B190 wrote:
or Mr. KKK's endorsement to hell in a hand basket we go |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by pg on 02/26/16 at 16:32:52 I have heard people say we need a third party. With Trump's popularity and both sides of the isle vehemently opposed to him proves one thing. We need a second party, yes that is correct. There are no conservatives left. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/26/16 at 17:07:29 3126202C2333410 wrote:
Ain't no liberal party either..... Look at how the Bern is getting eaten up by those who claim tolerance, open-minded, etc..... You go along or else. The established, just like the Great and Powerful Oz, has spoken ;D |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by pg on 02/26/16 at 17:15:50 4B58405D584E5E390 wrote:
Simply put, MARXISM. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by pg on 02/26/16 at 18:07:19 35 second clip accurately describing the current state of affairs. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtjCw8zKYbQ[/media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtjCw8zKYbQ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/26/16 at 18:16:52 Trump won't release his tax records..... Hillary won't release the transcripts to her bank/wall street speaking engagements.... YET They say they have nothing to hide..... AND They are both leading their collective party nomination...... Viva la Revolution ;D |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/26/16 at 18:22:56 We'd be Way ahead if we had a second party. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/26/16 at 18:43:01 6B747275686F5E6E5E66747833010 wrote:
I say we need no party...... The most votes, prez. Second most votes, VP. Ditto US senators, etc. No primary, just an election..... But of course that would remove the medias cash cow and the lobbies ability to buy a candidate/party so readily ;D |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by LostArtist on 02/26/16 at 18:46:27 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
you know, some of those scary socialist countries in Europe have many many political parties, I think Italy has like 15, the UK has at least 4 different viable political parties. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/26/16 at 19:26:46 Must I explain? |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by WebsterMark on 02/27/16 at 06:00:20 Rubio: Trump is a con-artist. Reporter: He's leading in all the polls and has won primaries. Rubio: He's a very good con-artist. I have to agree with Marco, Trump has manged to fool the low wage, union member, traditional Democratic voter as well as high wage college educated professionals. I don't think Trump will be the diaster Obama has been. For one thing, Congressmen are egotistical and will get pissed off and fight Trump as soon as he calls them a name, which will half of Congress by January 28th I'd guess.... You think Senators Rubio or Cruz are going to do anything to help Trump? Ain't gonna happen. They'll work against him. So, for us the potential is that nothing will really get done in Congress which is a good thing for the most part. The more Congress tries to help, the more money they take from me. However, my fear of Trump is he'll turn onto Obama Jr. and executive action himself silly. I don't have any choices thos election!..... Maybe Jog's right: put Bernie in office and let him "Bern" the country to the ground. We'll throw the remaining liberals on the smoldering ruins and start over from scratch. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Serowbot on 02/27/16 at 06:37:52 7F4D4A5B5C4D5A65495A43280 wrote:
That'll teach me... :-? |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by oldNslow on 02/27/16 at 06:38:12 Quote:
And everyone else in the race race (with the possible exception of Carson) isn't a con- artist ??? Pot, meet Kettle. ::) |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/27/16 at 07:34:05 2C3A2D30283D302B5F0 wrote:
That'll teach me... :-?[/quote] It very well might........by default. I know, I know, the BIG S word, where it has never worked, yada, yada, yada....... The words of Nelson Mandela, "Wealth without humility is toxic" Maybe, just maybe, we could collectively address why our middle class society has almost vanished. Is it such a bad idea that a governments job should put policies in place that directs most of its energies into assuring a strong middle class, instead of the fringe groups and the wealthy? Access to HC and education would be paramount, once we agree on that, we can argue how to get there..... Providing that HC, we now hold them responsible for their own choices, we all like pro choice, remember..... They will be charged for their crappy diets, drinking too much, drugs, obesity from lack of activity, sloth, etc.... For the betterment of strengthening our society for all. Ditto for education..... You want to be a doctor, great, you pull the grades and apply yourself, we will provide you the tools ( $$$$$$ ). Once you become a doctor, you work so many years in a state clinic, before you go out on your own.... We can do this with many graduate degrees. We teach trades, with payback being to the states needs first. Some still need more assistance, fine, we provide state run stores where you go to get your food, products, etc..... No more unaccountable funds that get spent on crap.... And if you are able body, you work doing road repair, building upkeep, etc, for state facilities, etc.... Accountability for all, not just the government, but those who use its resources ( all of which its citizens fund ) as a means to living their lives. You give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach him to fish, he can now provide for himself, and eat for the rest of his life...... PS: However, ya gotta buy your own friggin pole ;D |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by LostArtist on 02/27/16 at 07:52:31 764443525544536C40534A210 wrote:
polls show (if you can believe them, who knows) that Trump appeals most to uneducated voters, not to say he doesn't have some educated supporters but that's not his core base |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by WebsterMark on 02/27/16 at 08:04:07 No, I'm shocked at the high income level of Trump supporters. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by WebsterMark on 02/27/16 at 08:06:24 4B5D4A574F5A574C380 wrote:
That'll teach me... :-?[/quote] Ever see last of the Mohicans? Remember when Hawkeye shoots the Major Duncan Heyward(?) so he doesn't burn to death? We'd do you that favor! |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/16 at 08:08:58 You give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach him to fish, he can now provide for himself, and eat for the rest of his life...... You build a man a fire, he's warm for the night. You set a man on fire, he's warm for life. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 02/27/16 at 08:16:16 I think we ask politicians to give up too much privacy. It's stupid to ask them to publicize tax returns. Give me the old days when private lives didn't matter - such as who JFK had sneaked into the Whitehouse or who FDR was doing on the side. All that had nothing to do with how well they governed. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/27/16 at 08:24:12 7679757F7479727E796E7B796E1C0 wrote:
Hummers don't count then? ;D |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/27/16 at 08:25:01 504F494E53546555655D4F43083A0 wrote:
Give a man asbestos, he builds himself a suit ;D |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 02/27/16 at 08:29:52 There was even rumor the Dwight Eisenhower had an affair with his femal driver in England during WW II. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/16 at 08:43:52 It kinda implies that If you're not a saint, you can't do the job. Yet, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v5OJPeHCmhA And nobody goes to jail. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mr2oQExxGmU They spent time in the Penalty Box? Really? Where do they steal the children? The governor signed the bill in response to the case of 5-year-old Rilya Wilson — the foster child who was missing for more than one year before anyone noticed. Well, where would you go to get children if you needed one nobody would be overly concerned about? If they aren't in school yet, and someone is getting a check for feeding them, and you offer them an envelope with cash and they say nothing, bye... The level of corruption is beyond the grasp of most. The reality we have been Taught exists, doesn't. The truth of what is Really going on is way past the ability of good people to even grasp without long ,deep study. Guys, Please Remember what has happened that you have seen. The news that they pump At us, over and over, isn't the important stuff. The things we see once or twice, then they drop it and start pumping something else, don't forget That item. It's often a puzzle piece. Remember that guy who was a coach or assistant, I wanna say Penn State, can't remember the guys name, but, I believe that he w a s effectively a supplier. He used his position to get kids excited and got them in comprising situations and manipulated them into agreeing to engage in behaviors that they didn't Really want to do. I'm not unable to see a possibility of international connections. I totally like what Cynthia McKinney did. I respect her, tremendously. I don't know what all her political ideology is, but, she's CORRECT here and Very gutsy. Id really like to play pool and have a beer with her. I Might even let her win. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by oldNslow on 02/27/16 at 11:36:50 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-party.html?_r=0 Not a single one of the republican politicians, donors, or advisors mentioned or quoted in this article said that they thought Trump might be bad for the country. They are all worried that a Trump presidency would be bad for THEM. Scumbags, every one. They just don't seem to understand that Trump is doing well 'cause the voters hate Them. McConnell even said that it might be better for the republicans in the senate if Hillary won. Then they could campaign as the only folks that could protect the country from her. The way they protected the country from Obama ;D ::) |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/16 at 17:49:53 I'm not sure how the electoral college really works, but I'm concerned that it could be used to Protect US from our Obvious Ignorance, Should we actually elect Trump. We have seen the arrogance of D.C. We have watched as They have passed legislation that the majority didn't want, saying, You'll thank us later. Nope, no thanks. Repeal the trade deals. Audit the fed. Audit the Pentagon. Hang the traitorous bastards. Really, nobody has Anything to say about Rumsfeld? Time in the Penalty Box? Really? And it's common knowledge for the awake, that drug money is laundered through some big banks and wall street. Iran Contra ended it? |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by WebsterMark on 02/28/16 at 06:34:05 0937363A2834355B0 wrote:
If I thought Trump was THE GUY to break the stranglehold the business of politics has on politics, I'd be all in, but I don't think he is. I'd love to be proven wrong. It's one thing to say you've been in boardrooms all across the world negotiating deals with the toughest characters the business world has to offer but business leaders don't have armies behind them plus they can be counted on to make decisions based mostly on profit & loss etc... World leaders don't care about money, they care about power. Money is just a fringe benefit of being in power. It's why Hilary wanted so desperately to be Senator, Secy of State and now President. She's lived her entire life granting leave to others. She's got the Royalty mentality. I'm afraid Trump won't be able to comprehend that the end goal of the other guy across the table isn't cash. Maybe he'll learn very quick. Maybe not. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/28/16 at 07:25:35 Is there a fix without total collapse ? Such a strange year with its many new formed alliances, and separations of other old stalwarts..... It seems to me the power, and influence, has long been gathered, and shared, with a commonality of understanding..... And parsed out accordingly. Not sure where this will end, but I am certain things will change eventually, as this anger and distrust will grow, not abate.... |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by oldNslow on 02/28/16 at 07:59:00 Web wrote: Quote:
I totally agree with that. Trump makes me nervous. That said, if the election comes down to him and Hillary he's getting my vote. I think there is a possibility that that might not happen though. Expect the Character Assassination Machine to get cranked up in the next few weeks. The establishment republicans will throw anything that they can think of at Trump between now and the convention. I'm sure that Donald has some skeletons in his closet that the attack dogs will try to use. They will even make sh*t up if they think they can get away with it, Might not work, but if it does, or if they can figure out a way to jigger the convention and deny Trump the nomination, then they will run some worthless Rino again and hand the election to Hillary. And there is always the possibility of an "accident" or a sudden unexplained "death by natural causes". I think Trump would be wise to decline any invites for a hunting trip. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/28/16 at 08:20:26 In the back of my mind I think we are all going to be surprised at what transpires in the end..... If you look at the national polls Sanders does better than Hillary, against the republican candidates, and has the highest trust rating of them all. If you take all the votes of the republican candidates, that are not for Trump, and give them to the last standing candidate in a two-way race, where the debate will be much more detailed in their collective plans as a president, I wonder if he can sway those like me to believe in him..... Hillary has a much bigger task running against a candidate that won't hesitate to point out her lack of trust issues, big bank fees, etc, where her vast right wing crap won't work against the independent voters, that will decide the outcome...... If, she even gets that far. I still think Uncle Joe will appear when/if indictments come down of criminal wrongdoing re: email, Clinton Foundation/State Department conflicts. Will this race be determined by running mate? Seems all those looking to have a shot rightt now, are pretty dang old to first term ;D |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 02/28/16 at 08:29:21 I heard some scuttle butt yesterday that disturbs me. Supposedly the Kochs have raised $125 Million to fight Trump with this scenario: If Trump really hammers it Tuesday, again supposedly, Mitt Romney is primed and waiting to announce his candidacy, and compete in the big winner take all states like Florida, Ohio, California, et al as the primary season goes on, and contest at the convention for the nomination I think this is stupid - I just don't get this hatred of Trump, other than the fact that the establishment knows they can't control him. I think that Trump can still prevail, even if Romney does get in. Romney can't win - he had his chance, blew it, and needs to stay put. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by oldNslow on 02/28/16 at 08:39:18 Quote:
I think that's it in a nutshell. Trump is not a member of their club, and the republican party would rather lose the election than allow him to become president. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 02/28/16 at 08:39:32 One other thought: Many of the establishment Republicans fear a rout in the general election if Trump is the nominee, hearkening back to 1964 when Barry Goldwater got smashed, and took down Congressional elections with him. That began the era of the 1960s when the Dems were totally dominant until Nixon was elected in 1968. However, this is a different time. The 1964 election occurred in the immediate aftermath of the assassination of JFK, who had been the most popular President of the 20th century. No insult intended, but I think the Dems could have run Satan in 1964 and he would have won. Obama is certainly no JFK, nor is his legacy the same. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/28/16 at 10:21:30 69666A606B666D616671646671030 wrote:
Well they might be running Satan's wife ;D On the scuttlebutt, that would only seem to further Trump's support. I base this on the fact when the guy says the most asinine and PC incorrect stuff, and the opposition (press, establishment, etc) think he finally stepped in it, he only comes out stronger :o Guess the dems, and their super delegates, have already figgered out a way to void the candidate they "party" doesn't want ;D EDIT: BTW, if the they did this it would only further prove the effect of BIG money on our system and incite additional forces against the growing anger that is already proving to perhaps be the demise of its influence in the future..... |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 02/28/16 at 10:41:54 Supposedly, again. Mitch McConnell has been having luncheons with Republican Senators who have to defend their seats this year and told them that if Trump is the nominee, to go full steam ahead with attacks against him. McConnell is drinking the Kool Aide and is scared crapless about losing the Presidency and control of Congress. He would rather see Hillary as POTUS if the Rs can keep control of Congress. What these old farts don't get is that Trump can win in a landslide if the party gets behind him. But then, we can back full circle to the fact that the old boys club can't control Trump. I would think that would make Trump attractive to a boat load of common folks who want Washington to be distanced from the outside influences ( spelled "money) that most politicians have to have to fund campaigns. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by raydawg on 02/28/16 at 13:24:58 2B24282229242F232433262433410 wrote:
Mitch should follow JB away from politics and into the nearest tanning salon, mercy, he is a ghost! And a fool. To announce no action will be taken on any appointee for SCJ is reckless, showing a lack of wisdom, and discipline, from leadership. People are tired of these stupid shenanigans, and want HONEST dialogue ( not PC babble either ) but hard, cold facts that deal with reality. This "If I don't say Muslim Terrorist, they will get butt hurt and stop" crap, and all its supporting cast, has got to go away, far away.... Life is real, NOT a Hollywood movie where we MUST make sure every jerk gets a statute because of some cockamamie lame excuse... Life has no prepared script, or rehearsal, we all get one act ::) |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by WebsterMark on 02/29/16 at 10:28:11 does anyone believe Donald Trump is being audited because he's a "strong Christian"?! I have a lot of problems with Donald Trump but one of them is his habit of tossing out one-liners, with no basis in facts, to questions without really thinking. Obama already lies half the time, Hillary lies every time she opens her mouth, so I don't know why we would want a Republican president does the same. Trump is a con artist in the sense that he is portraying himself to be something he's not, which is someone worthy to be president of United States. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Serowbot on 02/29/16 at 16:54:12 Does anyone really want an orange President?... :-? |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/29/16 at 19:30:04 4355425F47525F44300 wrote:
Humor? . I think Trump would be wise to decline any invites for a hunting trip. Especially if Cheney is involved. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by verslagen1 on 03/01/16 at 08:43:43 I vote Trump... most likely to be impeached w/in 6 months... or that other word... begins with a... something. :-? |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by cheapnewb24 on 03/01/16 at 09:17:33 544B4D4A5750615161594B470C3E0 wrote:
Humor? . I think Trump would be wise to decline any invites for a hunting trip. Especially if Cheney is involved.[/quote] "I'm not annoying-- I'm an orange!" :D [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/01/16 at 09:53:45 Voters in Austin calling into a radio station, complaining that Trump votes changed to Rubio. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by cheapnewb24 on 03/01/16 at 17:17:09 474C4145544A4153461610240 wrote:
Humor? . I think Trump would be wise to decline any invites for a hunting trip. Especially if Cheney is involved.[/quote] "I'm not annoying-- I'm an orange!" :D [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif][/quote] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-yvVVye0ds[/media] |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by rolavine on 03/02/16 at 10:29:15 9/11 happened while Bush was president, this is simple truth. Bush W, when he took office stopped CIA programs that were investigating Saudi money flowing to terrorist groups. Rice was put in charge of US anti terrorism forces and did not hold one organizational meeting between W taking office and 9/11. All these are true. Now, realistically, could any admin, such as one set up by Al Gore, have prevented 9/11, No. But this is but a small piece of BS thrown in this campaign. Planned Parenthood is evil. We don't need the EPA. Climate Change is a myth. We can balance the budget while not raising taxes while doubling the defense department. We can provide free health care and education. It won't cost 400 billion to scrap Obamacare, never mention the cost. Mexicans are still flocking to the US. Corporations are just great at regulating themselves. Campaign contributions don't buy votes. And little Jimmie One Leg, who came to me in a rally in Pokitaltie, and told me of how he dreams of being ballerina, and wouldn't it be great to have society that can make his dreams come true. What if some alien race, powered their star ships off of BS, and only had these elections to harvest some extra fuel? If so, could the actual operation be any stranger? |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by old.indian on 03/02/16 at 11:20:19 3E23202D3A2522294C0 wrote:
Yep !!!! That pretty well sums it up...... I wonder if "Obama Care" will cover treatments for the fertilizer burns we're getting from all the B.S. ??? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by WebsterMark on 03/10/16 at 06:10:15 I admit since I wrote this post, I have slowly began changing my views. I'm not 100% against trump any longer. My first choice right now is Cruz, very closely followed by Trump followed by Kasich and forget Rubio. while it's been slowly turning that way, events of this past week have speeded up my conversion so to speak. Go online and read the story about the illegal immigrant who murdered 4 in Kansas and drove across the state to Missouri and murdered some poor guy out of the blue not too far from me. Yes of course it turns out the guy was an illegal immigrant and had been arrested three times before but never turned over to immigration. It's absolutely ridiculous that there are five dead people now because of this guy. Now of course the worthless St. Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper is bringing up the issue that this is a gun control thing because he used an AK-47 assault rifle. Holy Perspective Batman! I'll support either Cruz or Trump. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/10/16 at 06:16:07 To me, Cruz is just too inflexible. While he's a very smart lawyer, he has little to no real business experience and led the gov't shutdown a couple of years ago when he could and should have figured a way to negotiate a deal. Plus, having lived in the Evangelical world for about 20 years, before I became a Catholic, I see Evangelicals as too judgmental and again, too inflexible. I am for Trump all of the way. Although I fear if he loses Ohio to Kasich, he won't get enough delegates to avoid a brokered convention. |
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Title: Re: Against Trump Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/10/16 at 06:59:08 Jerry, are there any issues where inflexibility is a good thing.? |
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