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Title: One issue candidate..... Post by raydawg on 02/20/16 at 08:23:02 This is the claim HRC is making against the Bern. OK, fine, but think about the issue, its Wall Street/Banking. I have read some of the links you guys have posted about this industry, and how they deploy some sketchy operations, that border on Mafia type behavior.... Doesn't take much imagination to see how these implications impacts a whole lotta folks, in a negative way to our own well being. If we are to start changing our system, for the better, isn't this a great place to start? Lets shine the light into the dirty dark secrets of this industry ;D |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by Serowbot on 02/20/16 at 09:44:39 That, and a living minimum wage, income and wealth inequality, college tuition, Pro-choice, anti-war, nationalized health, climate change, racial equality, vet care, ... etc... Bernie has basically the same positions as Hillary,.. he just states them more simply and forthrightly... His message is more appealing, but less realistic in implementation... |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by raydawg on 02/20/16 at 10:59:54 283E29342C39342F5B0 wrote:
I think she states them for different reasons Bot. She believes she has to say it, and he says it because he believes it..... Hillary is a vote for more of the same, the same ol' SHIIT, that is ;D Would you rather deal with an honest person, even tho you don't hold all the same views , or a accomplished used car salesperson, who will tell you what you want to hear? |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by oldNslow on 02/20/16 at 11:38:09 Some guy named Ditch wrote this comment to an article about who to vote for. Interesting point of view. "Zero hope for Merica is correct. Admit, none of the Repubs can fix any of this. All will offer reduced taxes, cut spending, a border fence,, etc. All of this is like putting band aids on a cut artery. We will continue to bleed for many years and only prolong the agony. The big fat, grossly overweight Merica is dead, pull the plug, no more life support. The only solution is shut it down and try again. That is why I am voting for Bernie, he is the quickest path to a total collapse. Bern it to the Ground, vote for Bernie!" Things are going to get ugly sooner or later anyway. I've been thinking that Trump was the guy to get the trainwreck going but maybe this Ditch guy has the right idea. |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/16 at 12:25:26 That's REALLY interesting. Like tossing the adult, yet failed, child out. Continuing with the policies that got us here will only create larger numbers of wussified people, gutless, unable to Grasp freedom and RESPONSIBILITY . I'm amazed that the schools can even still find boys willing to play football. The gutlessness of this Push button generation sickens me. The idea that minimum wage, entry level jobs should be sufficient to live on is ludicrous. Where would I have ever found a job? A high school student, sacking groceries, trying to get the boss to choose Him as the next to train for checking, and then, to be a stocker... I worked 48hours three weeks a month, and the Sunday I took off, they had TWO sackers. Nobody could keep up alone, but me.. Buddy,you haven't seen unemployment and sky high prices until you try making minimum wage sufficient to live on. Do the math. What DOES it take to pay rent, bills, groceries, insurance, all of it? There is No Way to pay low skill, entry level position people As IF they had somehow Earned a real paycheck. I Had to get a Grown Man job in order to pay Bills. I couldn't go sack groceries at age 21, I had to Roughneck. And a guy who weighs about 110, has a 24"waist and buys his clothes in the boys department ISN'T exactly Roughneck material, but I did it. I'm disgusted by what I see. Maybe Bern it down Is the answer. Fixing what a corrupt system has created by working inside it? Until people realize how society has been manipulated, by social engineers, and how the banks have been used to suck the marrow out of the labor, leaving the people impoverished, there Is no fixing it. Drop YOUR agenda. Read the constitution, study history, What would Be Nice AIN'T HAPPNIN... It was a hardy bunch of people who made America Great, and the dependency on government as the source of making for a good life is Only what government wants. The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a natio Well, if it is or isn't the result of a determined few to feast on the guts of the masses or not, the results are the same. Observed REALITY demonstrates that we are headed into a hole. Looking BACK at the Society we HAD when we were prosperous Might be a clue. America is like a man who worked hard, took care of business, raised his family, relaxed, started drinking, and is coming to, divorced, and homeless, wondering how he got in such a mess. Maybe HOW he got there isn't as important as him Remembering what kinda Man he Had been, when he was successful, and start working on reclaiming Those wwys. How is it that EVERYONE knows that every trade deal has hurt Americans, yet , none are in danger of being repealed? It's Almost as if there is someone choosing to make policy decisions that Hurt America.. |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by raydawg on 02/20/16 at 13:18:30 Look, if we could really, REALLY,REALLY educate our children WITHOUT indoctrination, but to learn a skill, trade, or to use their brain to think...... Removing higher education from the profit industry, and those who seek to only add to their wealth before task.... A lot of the ills of our nation will then be a windfall, finding repair, as these folks will be able to compete in a global market, etc, and become independent and able to produce, instead of take, from the system. It would take a lot of change, but I see it can be a real possibility ;D As I have shared, we GROW the pie, instead of thinking we have to take one piece of it, to give to another..... More pie, more whip cream, elect me :D |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/16 at 19:31:58 Why should Any service or product be Not for profit? I don't work for free. So, who should? And why should I pay for your kids education? It's Your Kid.. you want a doctor, you pay for it Or, he Wants to be a doctor, let him EARN it. Society Pays for basic education, because ignorant citizens are expensive. Look at how well we've done since we started Repairing the Failed educational system, you know,the one that had produced more patents, more entrepreneurs, you know, the FAILED system.. |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by Serowbot on 02/20/16 at 22:13:28 Too easy for you to say, JOG... |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by raydawg on 02/21/16 at 07:23:00 Until people realize how society has been manipulated, by social engineers, and how the banks have been used to suck the marrow out of the labor, leaving the people impoverished, there Is no fixing it. One candidate has the same idea as you JOG ;D And we gut the education system, start over, no more social engineering but result based, producing a product that has the "tools" now to compete in this world who cares not one twit Debbie has two mommies. And JOG consider it an investment, not a FREEBIE, as as educated society will rely less on the government to support it. Dude, you gotta look at the long game here. |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/16 at 08:01:52 I have.. Unless you have a source of wealth , socialism CAN'T CONTINUE. Libya worked because they had oil, otherwise, the Constitution is the answer. Of COURSE, read by reasonable people, not socialist, societal engineers. |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by raydawg on 02/21/16 at 08:05:45 382721263B3C0D3D0D35272B60520 wrote:
Do you think there is only one answer based on the past, or do you think man can find a better way to govern by maybe borrowing ideas or creating new novel ones? If no, then are we correct in saying democracy is a failed system too? |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/16 at 08:30:15 First, we were never a democracy. Second, recall that the Republic we were given was given with misgivings about the ability to keep it. Note the Second Amendment. Understand why it's there. The IDEA didn't fail, the corrupt people did. People who READ the ConstitutionAs they saw Fit. When was the last time Congress actually did what America Needs? Everyone, the rambling, drooling HOMELESS know that Every Trade deal has Hurt America, yet, nobody is ditching them. Everyone Thinks agenda 21 is a joke, How are they gonna force people into the city? Screw up the water... You don't Know what evil bastards run things. Look up Rockefeller and what he ADMITS in Memoirs, I have posted it several times. NAFTA, was gonna make things Fair, level the playing field. Look what got cut down to make things level. |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by raydawg on 02/21/16 at 08:53:31 Ok, so we are broke, no matter what you call it...... What now, revolution? Honestly, Jog, what and how? |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by old.indian on 02/21/16 at 09:13:53 My Opinion, for what it's worth: It doesn't make all that much difference who is in the oval office. The government is controlled by the "Party Bosses" and the funds and patronage they control. The party bosses are, in turn, controlled by the sources of the funds. Bureaucrats are controlled by the politicians and their appointees. The various government departments and agencies are all headed by political appointees. The DOJ, the DoD, even the Fed.. As the man said "Show Me The Money!!" (and I'll show you who is actually running the country). As my grandfather said in the 1960s, "We have the very best government money can buy." |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by WebsterMark on 02/21/16 at 11:22:58 If Gore's lawyers had been allowed to steal the 2000 election, you don't things would have been handled differently after 9/11? Elections matter, they have consequences. |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by raydawg on 02/21/16 at 12:15:06 655750414657407F534059320 wrote:
Care to extend your thoughts on how things might have differed,and why? |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by old.indian on 02/21/16 at 14:04:48 714344555243546B47544D260 wrote:
It pretty much depends on which side of the political spectrum you ask as to whos' attorneys stole/attempted to steal THAT election. And I'm NOT going to get involved in that controversy. My point is that once elected, the office holders are manipulated by factors they have little, or no, control over. :-[ |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/16 at 21:14:07 y point is that once elected, the office holders are manipulated by factors they have little, or no, control over[url][/url] Some are blackmailed, or threatened or bought. The others, like Obama and Hillary, are completely on board with what the globalist want. I believe Bush was solidly in the game, as was Clinton. Reagan wasn't, IMO, one of the Destroy America crowd.I believe Bush was actually calling the shots. I can't grasp Reagan raping south America. How DID Libya manage to get on that list SO,many years before we had reason the media |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by Paraquat on 02/22/16 at 09:21:02 2D3E263B3E28385F0 wrote:
BULLLLLLLLL SHEEEEEEEET. Where I live is a cesspool. We have families stacked up 3 or 4 deep into single family homes. At 2.5 kids each family that's 7.5-10kidseach household. If you believe that to be exaggerated let's take a quick sampling of my co-workers with children. 3, 4, 1, and 3 which is 11, divided by 4 and gives us an average of 2.75 kids per household for single families. Is it really this bad? Is it worse? I can't offer census data. I can tell you they added a second bus to the route and the Mayor announced, via Facebook, that she is in discussions with the Board of Education regarding a tax hike. I don't have kids. Why am I paying into this overly stressed system? Where's my return? Oh, they won't rely as much on government? Not at all. I see the system abused every time I go to Stop and Shop. Prior to the super bowl I saw a woman buy 10x 2 liters of soda and 4 bags of chips and charge it to her WIC card. Better believe she had an iPhone 6 hanging out of her back pocket. I could tell stories like this to no end. I could provide eye witness accounts, to no end, that these people are generational welfare recipients and don't wish to better themselves or decrease their dependency. Web said it best. To paraphrase he said something along the lines that... I'd have to find it but he worded it excellently. I'll edit it back in. Edit: Had to work for this one. Post Number 12. It obviously echoed with me because I've cited it three times now. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1345696132/0 Post Number 23 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1412898322/5#5 Post Number 5 and this thread today. 566463727564734C60736A010 wrote:
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by pg on 02/22/16 at 10:08:20 6352415242465247330 wrote:
Where do you live? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by Paraquat on 02/22/16 at 11:12:28 I live in New Britain, Connecticut. We were once thriving with industry during the Second World War. At the time Stanley Works had to build housing because so many Polish immigrants came here to work. They were running three shifts 24/7 and lived across the street from the factory. The properties were kept nice and tidy. There was a ton of industry during the Second World War (and sometimes I feel that could be what the government is trying to rekindle: revitalizing the economy through war). Waterbury has the Brass City Mall. It was nick named the Brass City. No one remembers why. Now they are dilapidated, run down. The projects at the end of the road, which I've described here before, had wood covering the windows because it was cheaper than replacing the glass. Bars on the windows. These buildings looked condemned except that during the summer the wood would be removed and loud rap music would blare. We used to have a community pool that is now lined with broken glass and chicken bones the last time I tried to walk my dog in that park. Broken bottles and trash line the main streets. Scooters are a scourge. Traveling in packs of 5 or 6 they limit traffic to 20 mph and obey no posted signs or lights. Businesses have cages over their windows. I've offered to take pictures to validate all of this - except that the projects were bulldozed last year. The city had to send in a special team to remove asbestos. I walk my dog in the next town over. --Steve |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by pg on 02/22/16 at 11:33:23 I'm sorry to hear that, I was going to guess Mass. From your description, it sounded very similar to Detroit. There were lots of Polish people there and they prided themselves on making their home as nice as they could. The decay is spreading even faster and to more areas. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by Paraquat on 02/23/16 at 06:15:06 Springfield is on the decline also. Two months ago there were 5 shots fired. The official report said it was some kids joy riding and took 5 pot shots out the window as they drove around. You know, for fun. --Steve |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by old.indian on 02/23/16 at 10:00:16 Before I retired I lived near Boston and worked the New England area. As industrial manufacturing was "outsourced" (sent to overseas factories) the towns surrounding the now defunct factories went into decline and became slums and drug havens. Mini Detroit's . When this economy became a "service" economy instead of a manufacturing economy, we started our downward slide into historic oblivion. |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by Paraquat on 02/23/16 at 11:05:20 On that note, Bridgeport is worse. --Steve |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by pg on 02/23/16 at 16:19:24 Is there any place where things are going well? Texas & SD were doing well until the price of oil tanked. Honestly, anywhere? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by Paraquat on 02/24/16 at 06:02:18 When you find it, let me know. Before gentrification begins. --Steve |
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Title: Re: One issue candidate..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/24/16 at 17:35:28 3D3E367C3B3C363B333C520 wrote:
And SINCE NAFTA, other wonderful deals have been made. Anyone who believes America CAN be saved had better understand that Step One is burn every trade agreement made , at least back to and including NAFTA. Anyone can see the connection between Our GDP, jobs, everything, and the trade deals. Anyone who can't is so stupid that they NEEDED a scientific study to link cancer and smoking. What the dumb masses call Unintended Consequences I call The Goal... f free trade could hang over Hillary Clinton in 2016. [PDF]1 Bill Clinton, “NAFTA: Embracing Change,” September 13, 1993 It's ... Michigan State University › history › files Bill Clinton, “NAFTA: Embracing Change,” September 13, 1993. It's an honor for me today to be joined by my ... [PDF]Clinton and the Process to Pass NAFTA: Making Sausage - ... Defense Technical Information Center › f... by CD McMenomy - [ch8206]2002 - [ch8206]Related articles Clinton Administration embraced NAFTA and deftly crafted a triumphant political strategy that ensured the passage of ... Still believe we have a Two Party system |
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