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Title: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienials Post by LostArtist on 02/26/16 at 12:17:54 Sure, there is some spoiled nature of the millennial generation, I'm not denying that, but on the education front, the "free" college whiners, well, here's something that makes a point about that. http://i.imgur.com/3LbQRho.png |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by pg on 02/26/16 at 16:24:33 All those college loans can not be canceled under any circumstances. I read an article where federal marshals in full gear went to collect $1,500. :-? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/26/16 at 19:40:49 All chiefs, no Indians, how does that work? This whole notion that Everyone is supposed to get the degree and the cushy job.. how nutty is that? Or are we supposed to expect college educated people to fix flats, drive trucks, fill the order at the lumberyard... not everyone Can be educated. Not everyone Wants to be. I was offered a chance to go to Texas Tech by a man I worked for. He said I should be a teacher. I didn't see it.. I could pass the tests, but , gag Me, no Way I'd work in a school.. Underwater basketweaving. Understanding womens sexuality. Geeeze Louise, American thinking has gotten so screwed up. Everyone is entitled to everything. They Teach self esteem. Good frikkin God, you got low self esteem? Go DO something. Accomplish something, feel better about yourself. It's not my job to get you to be happy with who you are. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by LostArtist on 02/26/16 at 20:30:19 213E383F22251424142C3E32794B0 wrote:
you would indeed be aweful at teaching self esteem, but for some of us, it really is necessary, we aren't all born with this inner drive to feel that we are the greatest there ever has been. Most are born with some kind of inner drive for life, a euphoria for living, but not all. It's hard to accomplish something when you don't feel like anything matters, so until you learn that you are important to at least yourself, then that accomplishing things to make yourself worthy doesn't happen. I agree that there are many more ways to be successful than just via a college education, but that spin is just now making a comeback, and with manufacturing jobs going overseas and wages being depressed as hell over the years, a college education was really the best shot a lot of us had at becoming successful, productive adults. Now there has been a resurgence of non-standard industries that can be done without a college degree, and Thank God for that, but that's just recently come back into play for today's generation. By that I mean, it's just recently become less stigmatized than is used to be. Yes our education system needs a complete redo, and notice that the Millennial in the argument I posted repeats that they are NOT looking for a free education, just explaining why they feel kind jipped now. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by old.indian on 02/26/16 at 21:00:23 Sadly they fail to teach, or know, the difference between self confidence and narcissism. :-/ Self confidence comes with self respect. Narcissism comes with arrogance. "Do. You. Know. Who. My. Father. Is. !?!?" >:( "No. I'm sorry. Don't you?" :) |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by raydawg on 02/27/16 at 07:52:33 686B63296E69636E6669070 wrote:
Perfect.......!!!! I think you nailed part of the problem..... Glossing over reality because it is uncomfortable, is like putting a band aid on a gangrene limb. Here is an observation on how this mindset works..... Ever see a severely deformed person at the store, etc? We do all we can to pretend we don't see them because it makes us feel uncomfortable. However, this person has become acutely aware of our reactions and would much rather a person be honest instead of pretending..... They would rather have us say, "Whoa, what the fruck happened to you?' than to ignore them all together! Oh, lets do away with a flag, it will fix your low self esteem and associated problems, just like a sweet hit off the crack pipe, temporarily. While the real fix gets ignored, because it makes me feel uncomfortable, and I don't want to be called any R words, or cookie names, if I speak otherwise >:( |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by raydawg on 02/27/16 at 08:03:50 60435F586D5E58455F582C0 wrote:
you would indeed be aweful at teaching self esteem, but for some of us, it really is necessary, we aren't all born with this inner drive to feel that we are the greatest there ever has been. Most are born with some kind of inner drive for life, a euphoria for living, but not all. It's hard to accomplish something when you don't feel like anything matters, so until you learn that you are important to at least yourself, then that accomplishing things to make yourself worthy doesn't happen. I agree that there are many more ways to be successful than just via a college education, but that spin is just now making a comeback, and with manufacturing jobs going overseas and wages being depressed as hell over the years, a college education was really the best shot a lot of us had at becoming successful, productive adults. Now there has been a resurgence of non-standard industries that can be done without a college degree, and Thank God for that, but that's just recently come back into play for today's generation. By that I mean, it's just recently become less stigmatized than is used to be. Yes our education system needs a complete redo, and notice that the Millennial in the argument I posted repeats that they are NOT looking for a free education, just explaining why they feel kind jipped now. [/quote] WOW..... A lot of supposition, but worthy of more introspect. Can you address your observation about blue collar jobs vs. educated careers, leading to esteem issues? I am not disagreeing with you, but wondering where this idea is manifested. Could it be promoted by our own academia elite? Kinda like how Madison Avenue assures us if we buy their product, our lives will be better ( self esteem ) because our neighbors will envy us, as we drive the nicest car, to the biggest house, in the neighborhood? Gotta love how capitalism plays on the weakest link, eh :-[ |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/16 at 18:18:26 It was my Lack of self esteem that drove me. Why do people not see how NEEDING to see oneself in a better light is a Motivating Factor? If you're Number One Why do you NEED to try? Telling a kid how great he is, before he has Accomplished anything, you remove ALL Pressure to Perform. It's So Simple. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/27/16 at 21:27:03 I think I'm considered a millenial, right? :-? |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by Ruttly on 02/27/16 at 23:11:35 Typical millienal doesn't even know if it applies to him ! That's the problem they all think their entitled . Get an education,get a career,then you will be considered for some respect ! Did I say that out loud ? Nothing personal that just a thought . |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/28/16 at 14:07:06 I went over the generations in my business courses. It was just a little fuzzy. I have a doubtful personality. That's the way I am with a lot of things. :-? Get an education? Already got some. Got sick of the educational system lately. Considering getting some more, though, since I don't want to be bored to death. I think I'll play it a little cheaper this time, though. I won't have so much gov't backing like I did before. On the other hand, I sometimes doubt whether I would do well in school again. When I first went to college, I cared about excellence so much that I would drop a class and redo it if I couldn't get an A. I wasn't perfect. I failed a class or two, but I was doing relatively well. For a while, I was ready to be some sort of career student. The school I went to was a big Christian school that liked to pump up its students. Well, I was happy and pumped. Then they jerked the rug out from under me. :(. When I finished my classes, I was doing well to get something better than a C. :( Old wounds and emotional/spiritual problems have me down and broken. :( When you're inspired, all that work comes easy. Try it when you're torn up inside... It ain't pretty. Spoiled and lazy? Yes... Entitled? Maybe... That ain't the end of the story, though. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by Ruttly on 02/28/16 at 14:54:15 That was not a personal attack towards you , I don't know you. That was just a general attack , did not intend to offend you was intending to offend all ! I merely saw you as a classic example of the entitled generation. I always thought my generation was _ucked up due to drugs,rocknroll, etc. but your generation has us beat hands down , the Deevolution of man kind , beware the end is near and so are the millienals ! I'm sure of few of you will be our 2016 hopefuls at the olympics,oh the haven't added beer pong as a sport yet,there goes that dream !!! |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by Ruttly on 02/28/16 at 14:55:23 I must be getting old & grumpy , NOT ! |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/28/16 at 14:57:03 It's all cool. ;) I've got issues. It's true. I guess everyone does. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/28/16 at 14:59:51 What's wrong with some good ol' rock? ;) |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/28/16 at 15:05:34 Should people get learning and jobs for respect, or should they get them to find something enjoyable to do for happiness and self-respect? Perhaps climbing the ladder just so others respect you causes a lot of problems in mankind. "Pride cometh before a fall." How many white-collar crimes are committed in the name of keeping one's good name or pride? It's not just money. It's pride too. Be proud of what you do, yourself, and others, but don't let it turn into that evil pride. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by Ruttly on 02/28/16 at 17:09:59 Got issues too. Just venting. Im sure you a good person. None of that was meant to insult or belittle you. If you own a savage you have to be ok. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/28/16 at 20:50:41 Hmmm... That last statement was interesting. :-? Does that mean the bike makes the man? :-? Hmmm... Don't worry, its all cool. Just continuing this interesting conversation. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by Ruttly on 02/28/16 at 21:40:59 Not so much makes the man , but helps define him. It's not so much that it's a savage as that it is a big single. A stock bike is a bike , once modified it becomes artwork of the builder. Big singles are just cool, part of the past still with us still evolving. I just love building & riding big singles and that's part of what defines me. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/28/16 at 22:00:45 Savages are primitive, simple, down-to-earth, and cheap. Humble too, I guess. I guess some of that can change with mods, but still... It's my first bike, so there's room for change. Might settle in to liking something else as the years go by... who knows? Kinda like the idea of a v-twin. Riding on the back of that old Shadow 750 with it's previous owner was pretty cool. Those V-twins seem to have an exhilarating feel and sound, and they rev higher than the Savage (the old 750 does at least). In a way, the Savage is too smooth! :o (Or maybe I just need the Dyna muffler... :-/Awww! I don't know what I'm talking about! :-/) Never got the opportunity to ride a Harley. I'd probably go for a Sporty with my budget and conditions. On the other hand, if I were to buy another bike soon, it would probably be an old 350 dual sport. Yep, another thumper! ;) Why? Because I want a light, rough weather commuter that will go anywhere and do anything, including giving me a chance to enter the dirt bike world with a road-legal machine. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by Ruttly on 02/28/16 at 22:29:32 I own a sportster too , it's cool but it's a five hundred pound sled on wheels. My other six bikes are all singles. I think the sportster is cool but still love the singles. At times I want to build a old twin but I guess thumpers are my thing. It's good your first bike is a single , you will always remember it no matter what bikes you own in the future. My savage is a RYCA street tracker , my artwork! Still in progress but nearing completion. You may wind up like me someday with a garage full of singles. Yes a Harley muffler and jet the carb will take some of that smooth away a give it a good exhaust note. RYCA has a jet kit for it! |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA Post by cheapnewb24 on 02/28/16 at 23:30:23 Already jetted it. Made it smoother ;D I wouldn't buy Ryca stuff... Too expensive. Go find some #4 washers and buy some $3 jets (+shipping) off Ebay. I got my washers from a local Fastenal dealer, I think, for free. I didn't buy the pilot jet, but I got the same 3 jet sizes (Mikuni brand) for a grand total of 15 bucks, including shipping. Took awhile to get here, though. Must have gotten stuck in shipment. Now compare that to 49 bucks (might not include shipping :-/). That's a lot of cash Ryca makes for simply providing a pre-arranged kit. The spacer mod, by the way, was one of the best things for smoothing the engine and giving it a good onset jolt. I do appreciate a quiet muffler, to a degree. The gentle, low throttle purr of my well-muffled thumper is peaceful, and I would like to not go deaf. ::) Might just do the Dyna, though, especially considering that I put a 150 main in it, and I already have the muffler. Yeah, Sporty's are heavy. I appreciate the lightness of my Savage. You can take those light bikes into situations where heavier bikes would be troublesome, if not impossible, to negotiate. Try pushing a sporty up a steep hill in the snow. ;D Pushing a Savage is enough of a chore. Moving a Sporty like that would probably require help. :o I'd probably be careful about buying from Ryca. Sure, if you need what they've got.... and if you're concerned about the RYCA name... but, if it's something you can get elsewhere (do your homework first), I'd go cheaper. But, of course... I'm the Cheap Newb. ;) |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by Ruttly on 02/29/16 at 16:34:03 Cheap is smart. Don't forget new exhaust may require new jetting. Yes that was a interesting conversation. Don't sell yourself short your no dummy, I was just testing your resolve. You pass ! |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 02/29/16 at 22:03:04 Back to the OP. The discourses obvious winner used macro-econ principles and math only available in collegiate level mathematics, unless you're in "special/advanced" classes in H.S. Just to add, STANFORD and many other colleges had FREE tuition once upon a time. I have 5 months to graduation with my Business degree. I started looking for 1 year MBA programs this past weekend. And OMFG WTF? 20-30 credit hour, 1 year programs for only $100,000 plus. Oh what a crappity smacking great deal, with ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANTEE OF WORK/JOB/CAREER after graduation. Not to mention I have to support myself WHILE attending. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by Ruttly on 02/29/16 at 23:53:47 And going up as soon as they start paying their football teams ! |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by WebsterMark on 03/01/16 at 05:22:10 I have 5 months to graduation with my Business degree. I started looking for 1 year MBA programs this past weekend. And OMFG WTF? 20-30 credit hour, 1 year programs for only $100,000 plus. Oh what a crappity smacking great deal, with ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANTEE OF WORK/JOB/CAREER after graduation. Not to mention I have to support myself WHILE attending. Desert, get a job first. Become "the expert" in whatever functions that job requires. Make your bosses problems go away. Make yourself invaluable to your department, deliver value and you'll be able to make someone else pay for your Masters. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/01/16 at 07:40:16 My daughter wanted an MBA. She looked everywhere and found that Liberty University's on line MBA is a real degree from a real university. Liberty, while a Christian school, doesn't require any particular religious affiliation to enroll in the on line MBA program. I have always been skeptical of on line programs, but this one is for real. The work has been difficult. Liberty is a huge school in Virginia, tens of thousands of residential, on campus students, and they even play in Division 1 football. If she holds her own this last semester, she'll graduate in May with a perfect 4.0 in the MBA, all while working full time in her own insurance agency. Liberty's doctoral program is a Doctor of Business Administration (DBA) and she's going for that next. Her MBA program has not been expensive at all. If you want an MBA, check it out. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/01/16 at 07:50:45 446362627A6F160 wrote:
Yup, we just received notice of ANOTHER rate hike, 3%, to begin with the summer semester. This is a school who's yearly budget is around $1.4 billion and the CAFRs exposed a "slush" fund of $500 million plus. Which administrators claimed was needed for "emergencies". :( |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/01/16 at 08:00:46 646B676D666B606C6B7C696B7C0E0 wrote:
Liberty's MBA program is 36-45 credit hours at $465 per credit, with a minimum time requirement of 24 months. The costs are 16% of what I've seen in the market. NICE. The majority of schools are pushing more and more of their courses online. It's less expensive for the schools and easier to proctor a class online than to "profess" it in-person. The stigma of online diploma mills has disappeared in academia as administrators realized they can make a nuts load more money. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/01/16 at 08:03:20 1C2E29383F2E39062A39204B0 wrote:
Good idea. Thanks. I've had only one company, in the past, offer to pay for my schooling. They're gone now, sold out to a Chinese firm and shuttered operations here in the U.S. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 03/01/16 at 08:46:24 Desert - My daughter looked a several schools. We're Catholic, so she first looked at Catholic schools like Creighton, Notre Dame, Boston College, etc. Liberty was the cost winner, hands down. And as I said, the quality of the program is really good. I'm a lawyer, so having a graduate degree myself, I was impressed. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by pg on 03/01/16 at 14:34:17 1B3A2C3A2D2B0D3E2B5F0 wrote:
What is the discipline of your degree? Your better off to get a professional certification and then work towards a graduate degree. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/01/16 at 14:37:24 I tried to copy one of Lost Artists replies. The last one is so spot on, except that he fails to point out when the government started getting into the tuition loan business. And seriously, look around at LIFE. What percentage of the JOBS in life need a college education? And how many jobs require a college education today that Didn't in the sixties? My dad, high school graduate, oil field worker, worked his way up and eventually ran a coupla oil companies. He was a consultant and had a plane and pilot and was ready to go anywhere, anytime, to get a well under control. He knew how, because he was part of the team that developed the techniques. He was in Libya and Nigeria in the sixties, overseeing the drilling. He was Just a high school graduate. Today, it takes a team of engineers to accomplish what he did. Self esteem I'm Awesome Don't know how to Do anything, but I'm Awesome. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/01/16 at 15:09:35 pg - Management, minor in Finance and Accounting justin - the problem was that I went that route, got tired of the "we only promote/hire college grads" line from companies. Which is why I went back to school. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by old.indian on 03/01/16 at 15:23:02 7F5E485E494F695A4F3B0 wrote:
Amen... I made much better money and got far more respect as a "Consultant" than I did as an "Employee". The college kids the HR department would hire as "managers" had ZERO real life experience and even less ability to think outside of what they found in the textbook....... :o |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/01/16 at 15:56:50 4E4D450F484F4548404F210 wrote:
I notice this in classes all the time. Kids don't question anything, they accept the "profession" of instructors as the gospel. CRAZY nuts is spoken as if it's the truth from G*d. I get into "trouble" all the time for calling B.S. ... only a few professors that have real world experience actually find it funny. The rest who've spent their careers in academia have no clue. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/01/16 at 16:48:22 Z Again, I ask you, what PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION needs a college education? I was Offered a chance to go to Texas Tech. I passed. Yes, could have made more money and worked less, b u t I Like work. I didca y ear of college. Algebra, trig, chemistry and lab, all A and B. Burnt out. Real work has to be done. The oilfield runs on trucks, pumps, chains, sprockets, someone has to Build th, operate them, maintain them. I'm aware that we need doctors, etc. But I think the whole You need a college education thing is way overblown. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/01/16 at 22:00:28 657A7C7B6661506050687A763D0F0 wrote:
I'm not arguing that it's a necessity. My partner has worked in Accounting for 30+ years and makes very good money WITHOUT a college education. BTW justin... I'm blue collar ghetto stock. They used to be called okies. I've served our country (military made budget cuts and we went home), was a framer and carpenter (the economy tanked and we went home), I've got so many GTAW welding certs I lost track (the economy tanked again and we went home). I've heard so much bullchit from suits with regard to promotions and pay and stability (all lies), I could give a ratsass what comes outta their mouth anymore. If you can't beat them join them. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA Post by old.indian on 03/01/16 at 22:26:21 Both JOG2 AND 'Rat are correct..... Many of the young people are wasting time and money on degrees that lead to neither jobs nor careers... They would be better served in a trade school, learning something that they can make a living doing. Todays' society preaches that "You need a college degree to be successful. " Bull Feathers !!!!! Conversely, the HR departments in companies / corporations are convinced that a specific degree from a specific College or university is an ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT in order to perform certain positions.... |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/01/16 at 22:58:39 the job market is even worse now with all the automation that HR folks have done to alleviate the "pressures" of the hiring process. If you do not meet very specific criteria, forget it. Even if you have the OJT and experience, without a degree your file 13'd. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/02/16 at 04:52:28 What we need are JOBS repeal the trade agreements Lower corporate taxes to very low rates. After all, EVERY product You buy is marked up, and that final price Includes Every penny it cost to create the product , which includes the taxes the company has to pay and the cost of obeying all those regulations. The left should be particularly upset about the industry that has been sent overseas. THEY don't have the clean air requirements that our factories have. GLOBAL impact, the Air is blown hither and yon, before rain washes the crud out. Where does it land? What does it do? How many Texans are suffering from lead poisoning because of the battery recycling place in Mexico, where they stack the batteries and burn them, then pull the lead out of the pile? Pretty sure those people need to go to college. Americans need Jobs. Jobs that support families. The trade agreements destroyed that. The MEDIA , again, has been used to explain what we need, College, that is the answer. And what has it done? Waiters at Red Lobster and the sixty thousand dollar debt, but they have a degree in sociology! Unless we are exporting more dollars worth of stuff than importing, we are going broke. The debt based currency? It's a parasite. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/02/16 at 06:12:34 Justin, I agree with: - on Jobs; but we must consider the fact that the boomers are retiring, without enough bodies to even fill the positions left open AND the fact that employers aren't willing to pay market rates to refill those positions, instead requesting the experience and education at entry-level wages. - repealing the trade agreements; but realize we are subsidizing a lot of corporations to move to international markets My FACT based disagreements, not parroted hearsay: - Lowering corporate taxes; NOPE. The bulk of the taxes paid are from small-cap companies. Paying over 80% of the taxes levied on firms. Mid-cap firms tax contributions make up approximately 15% and Large-caps get REFUNDS totaling $100's of millions EACH. We should lower the tax rates for SMALL-CAPS, they provide the most bang for the buck to the economy. We should be taxing the piss out of LARGE-CAP firms. - Imports; sorry but a major portion of those imports are from U.S. owned firms operating with impunity in international markets and parking their profits offshore to avoid taxes. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/02/16 at 14:03:49 Those companies are hiring foreign bodies and taking the money offshore, because taxes are so high here. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by old.indian on 03/02/16 at 19:40:33 6D7274736E6958685860727E35070 wrote:
Is it the taxes OR is it that the cost of labor offshore being so low that allows them to have such a high profit ??? Q: Why am I buying clothing made by a guy in Vietnam who's daddy was trying to kill me not so long ago ? :-/ A: Because the company who puts their label on the product can make a bigger profit by buying in Vietnam than they can by buying from a US manufacture. :o Stupid Hairballs forgot that Henry Ford pointed out that by paying his workers more , they were able to buy the product they made, which increased HIS pool of potential buyers.. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/02/16 at 19:45:13 So, you can quote Ford. What did he say about the federal reserve? |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/02/16 at 21:00:15 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
NOPE. It's cheap/slave labor that's driving the large-cap firms offshore, not high taxes. They already get REFUNDS in the $100's of millions plus subsidies and G*d knows how many loopholes they get, compare that to the small-cap tax rates, and it's OBVIOUS who's getting f*cked over. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/02/16 at 21:03:52 7F6066617C7B4A7A4A72606C27150 wrote:
Here: https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-think-Henry-Ford-was-referring-to-when-he-said-It-is-well-enough-that-people-of-the-nation-do-not-understand-our-banking-and-monetary-system-for-if-they-did-I-believe-there-would-be-a-revolution-before-tomorrow-morning |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/03/16 at 15:29:58 0F2E382E393F192A3F4B0 wrote:
NOPE. It's cheap/slave labor that's driving the large-cap firms offshore, not high taxes. They already get REFUNDS in the $100's of millions plus subsidies and G*d knows how many loopholes they get, compare that to the small-cap tax rates, and it's OBVIOUS who's getting f*cked over. [/quote] Seems to me that things started.going badly after the trade agreements. You got an idea about how to get Americans working again and our exports be more than imports? |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/03/16 at 17:40:44 Justin two words: IMPORT TARIFFS raise them through the roof and that will force manufacturing back home. BUT, that will NOT happen while we are under the current corporatocracy. * *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/04/16 at 13:12:11 Tariffs Sound like a good idea, until the people we export to decide to play the same game. That's why the Commerce Clause exists in the Constitution. The clause is misread and misapplied, IMO, but it was intended to keep trade Regular, as in, even and normalized, between the states. Giving the Legislators power to argue about what duties and tariffs would be reasonable and justified in interstate commerce. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by pg on 03/04/16 at 15:12:07 2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 wrote:
What do we export? Prior to NAFTA, I would be in agreement with your post. Today, it is hard for me to believe that we wouldn't benefit from tariffs even if they apply them to the few goods we export. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/04/16 at 15:41:49 IF you believe what is available online, our exports are actually pretty good. However, looking at the world, and hearing that huge container ships arrive, unload, leave empty... Now, is That true? I don't know. I do know that the unemployment numbers are farcical. I have also heard that certain types of spending gets Counted as GNP. How many cruise missiles are considered Exports, I don't know. But, the point Is there and reasonable. IF you import More than you Export AND the tariffs are equal, then you gain. But, tariffs can change. Starting down that road looks like a bad plan to me. My answer. Burn the trade agreements. Drop corporate taxes. Seal the borders to everyone who can't contribute to a healthy economy. Look at what Australia demands of immigrants. How many unemployed people do they need in order to be able to hire cheap labor? Who actually believes that is why they have never been willing to control immigration? Wealth can not be legislated. A Living minimum wage is a ridiculous notion. Why don't people consider the warning Ike made as he left office? Look what JFK was doing. It was as If he heard what Ike said and was acting on it. Look at the direction of the country Since JFK was killed. Add it up. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA Post by DesertRat on 03/04/16 at 16:22:06 Justin, The U.S. Is Still No.1 at Selling Arms to the World - http://time.com/4161613/us-arms-sales-exports-weapons/ U.S. arms exports 2014, by country (in TIV expressed in million constant 1990 U.S. dollars) - http://www.statista.com/statistics/248552/us-arms-exports-by-country/ U.S. arms exports 2014, by weapon category (in TIV expressed in million constant 1990 U.S. dollars) - http://www.statista.com/statistics/248558/us-arms-exports-by-weapon-category/ MORE export data: https://www.statista.com/search/?q=arms%20export The top export and import in every US state - http://www.businessinsider.com/the-top-export-and-import-in-every-us-state-2015-5 |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/04/16 at 17:05:13 That's interesting stuff. Now,if YOU sold a particular item AND had the ability to increase Demand, how cool would That be? |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/04/16 at 17:11:23 4C5355524F4879497941535F14260 wrote:
That's how certain LEGISLATION works. Mandate that the serfs participate in commerce with a particular firm or purchase products from these firms. ;) |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/04/16 at 17:58:12 My point is By keeping pots stirred, rebellions, wars, we export. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/04/16 at 18:15:07 5D4244435E5968586850424E05370 wrote:
Got it. Through warmongering. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/04/16 at 19:37:49 Don't think our CIA is involved in creating Rebel groups Who stand in opposition to Dictators who our media paint, daily, on every News Channel, every talking head demonizing the Dictators? Go back. Look at the list that General Wesley Clark made public. Note that the REASONS we Had to intervene came Years after the list was made public. If that doesn't make you think , you're brain dead. And in the Liberation of the Libyan people, we DESTROYED the worlds greatest irrigation system. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/05/16 at 09:09:08 I know that Justin. I was in agreement with you! :D |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/05/16 at 12:04:08 Yeah, I caught that. I was expanding on it for those who may not yet quite have it figured out. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by Paraquat on 03/08/16 at 09:15:17 312E282F32350434043C2E22695B0 wrote:
I fell for the scam. Honor roll, Second Honors, Dean's List, I was there. When I realized what was really going on I dropped... err took a "hiatus" from college. I since went back and finished two Associate's programs but I'm making far more money based off what I learned on the job than some with Bachelor's degrees, and even some with Master's. Now, to offer some insight into my statement, I've made some recent conclusions while arguing with myself. Money isn't everything, but it certainly makes things easier. Money equals freedom. The only reason I keep coming to work every day is for the money. If I had the money I'd take the time off, travel a little, maybe buy a touring bike and drive across the country. I can't do these things because I don't have the money. To touch on the war mongering, my favorite quote from the movie Lord of War: Simeon Weisz: I don't think you and I are in the same business. You think I just sell guns, don't you? I don't. I take sides. Yuri: But in the Iran-Iraq War, you sold guns to both sides. Simeon Weisz: Did you ever consider that I wanted both sides to lose? Bullets change governments far surer than votes. You're in the wrong place, my young friend; this is no place for amateurs. --Steve |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/16 at 16:53:43 Pointing out the holes in that would take too long. Short version. Both sides are in debt. Control is centralized. The sellers of weapons are also giving marching orders to the black ops folks, finding, recruiting, and providing material support for rebels. Maybe I am the only one who remembers the team captured in Iraq, dressed up as locals and the absolute attack to get them back, because That would have opened too many eyes had Saddam been able to show the world what was happening. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/09/16 at 19:30:08 I remember that Justin. They were agent provocateurs. Stirring the pot with both factions because they were "contractors" ... I also remember no WMDs and the hell that conflict has played on the energy sector. UK rulers weren't too happy with the outcome, they're still pi$$ed off that their cash cow ain't giving up the milk. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA Post by old.indian on 03/09/16 at 20:56:38 'Rat and JOG2: Before we bring manufacturing back to the US, you should check and see if we have enough of a supporting infrastructure. Skilled workers, manufacturing machines and tooling to make more, skilled manufacturing supervisors and managers etc. etc... The vast majority of American youth seem to be convinced that the path to success is via a degree (in some thing) and an office. Heaven forbid that they get their hands dirty, or acquire a skill such as machinist, welder or mill wright. :o |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/09/16 at 21:22:44 Im in agreement with you old.indian I took a lot of entrepreneurship courses a few semester back, and one of them had us build a business from scratch, positioned here in the U.S., over the course of the semester. One of the major components was actual case study data on what you have already mentioned plus a heck of a lot of financials and stuff. My findings scared the crap out of me. We are now at least 2 generations removed from a manufacturing base. And one generation removed with the technological knowledge and skilled workers to perform most of the manufacturing that foreign workers are performing at peek production and exporting to US! |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by DesertRat on 03/09/16 at 21:40:02 not my kids. they like DIRT. boy 1 is a helicopter mechanic; education HS and Army boy 2 works as a welder/cutter; education HS and College girl 1 is a nurse; education HS and College girl 2 is in college, got an associates in culinary science in HS and is now pursuing a business degree boy 3 is in HS and still hasn't figured it out They all know how to setup camp, dig gardens, wrench, RIDE and work hard, and be lazy a$$es too ;) I'm back in college, I sit in classes with our current youth, and you would be surprised how hard they work at their studies. The majority KNOW about hard work, but the ones I notice the most "slacking" are the "privileged" class who have a trust fund waiting. They put in as little effort as possible. The others are from blue collar households, and they bust their a$ses to study WHILE working to support themselves and/or their families. |
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Title: Re: About the "entitled" generation AKA millienial Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/10/16 at 07:17:35 Best news I've had in a while, DR. Now, let's just hope goob policy doesn't make realizing those plans impossible. |
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